Ian Levine, Motorcity, Centre City, Blackpool Mecca, And Swons

[Guest]

Perhaps we were never meant to see our heros singing in person ?

Of course we were.

That's why we have spent ten years refining "Northern Soul's 200 greatest Floorfillers"

End of........

[Guest]

Of course we were.

That's why we have spent ten years refining "Northern Soul's 200 greatest Floorfillers"

End of........

Yes, it is nice to see them in colour and later in life singing away ......... I bet most of them did not have a clue about "Northern Soul" and would not have really understood what you were doing there in the first place !

What were you doing there ?

Just Filming ?

[Guest Simon]

I wish we had all seen the original black and white shows from the 60s - our 60s Soul heros singing the great oldies.

There are a few classic black n white clips that are fantastic, but most live footatge has been lost with time !

Perhaps we were never meant to see our heros singing in person ?

Perhaps we were just supposed to collect the old 45s ?

And then still hang on to the Mystique that an unknown 40 year old 45s can give us ?

Mossy

That's pretty much my view although the odd performance could work with a proper backing band, one that's as close to the original as possible.

An example is when i've seen The Skatalites playing live recently, they're all in their seventies & eighties, it's great because the backing band is very close to the original 6ts band, infact a couple of the original band are still playing.

Taking a recording artist from the 6ts though & giving them a 'modern feel' with some cheap & nasty flashes & colours in the background for the video just cheapens the whole experience for me personally.

As per Dave Moore's point i can see what he's saying but for me i either want to see the artist singing as close to the original record, with the backing also as close to the real record or not at all if that means i don't get it then i'll live with that.

I'm personally happy to just hear these records played out in their original format at venues or on my stereo indoors, at the end of the day the artists made the records to make money & i don't feel i personally need to pay homage, i've never been a fan of seeing artists at NS venues either as for me it normally kills the night.

Simon

[Guest]

i've never been a fan of seeing artists at NS venues either as for me it normally kills the night.

"There But For The Grace Of God Go I"

Carlo and Carmen Vidale

Just had a child

A lovely kid with a crooked smile

Now they gotta quit

Cos the Bronx ain't fit

For a kid to grow up in

Lets find a place they say

Somewhere far away

With no blacks, no Jews, and No Gays

But for the grace of God

There go I, go I

But for the grace of God

There go I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

Papa and the family

left the dirty streets

to find a quiet place overseas

and year after year

the kid has to hear

the do's, the don'ts endlessly

and when she's ten years old

she digs that rock 'n' roll

but Papa bans it from the home

But for the grace of God

There go I, go I

But for the grace of God

There go I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

That's when she turns out to be

A natural freak

popping pills and smoking weed

and when she's sweet sixteen

she packs her things and leaves

with a man she met on the street

Carmen starts to bawl

bangs her head on the wall

Too much love is worse than none at all

But for the grace of God

There go I, go I

But for the grace of God

There go I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

[Guest soul99 easylay]

Oh puh-leeeeeeeeeze.

He had his bleedin' finger straightened.

Now maybe he won't be able to write such vicious nasty and vile things about me in Manifesto for the next couple of months. Maybe his finger will make it too painful for him to type the crap he normally types.

You're taking the mickey, surely ?????

Next thing you'll be asking me to commiserate with James Trouble for his ingrowing toenail.

This is getting more and more like a Fawlty Towers sketch.

WISH SAM WELL - for a bloody voluntary finger operation - gimme a break.

It was his wrist wasn't it??

....and I of course was only being naughty, I didn't expect you to bite!

I have no axe to grind with you Mr Levine, as I have never met you, but can quite clearly see your love of Northern is what drives you - you aint the first, nor will you be the last to be lambasted on here, indeed I can recall Mr Trouble himself came in for a real kicking on here maybe 6 months or so ago.

........That said, regarding the "The Ultimate Northern Soul Album" issued on Decadance (UK) 2004 - what the hell was all that with the new synth/dance/electropop remix of Frank Wilson?? ........and as for the Four Vandals!!!!

[Guest]

What were you doing there ?

Just Filming ?

I sent someone specially to do all the filming.

Seven separate trips between October 1998 and May 1999.

Twenty eight different cities in the USA.

Just filming.

Filming the artists I love and cared for.

Filming with loving care so that reactionary right wing purists, and Thunderbirds fans, could slag it all off, tear it all down, and dismiss it all as an abomination.

Eighty grand.

[Reg]

I love live acts when done well with a proper backing band. I saw Kim Weston at Prestatyn and I have to say it was a bloody travesty having a legend such as her singing to terrible backing tapes when The Spinners the night before were afforded a full band. I have seen a lot of great acts over the years including greats like Curtis Mayfield, Edwin Starr, Bobby Womack,JJ Barnes, Maxine Brown and many more and most of them have been a joy.

Seeing some of the clips on here as been equally wonderful...how can anybody watching Jerry Williams play the piano, tapping his foot away not be touched? And actually seeing the VelVets singing a song that I must have heard hundreds of times in the last 20 odd years made my day. I can't understand the mentality of anybody claiming to be a music fan who does not want to see music they enjoy to the point of obsession performed live The memory of seeing Curtis Mayfield back in 1987 will be with me forever more than any allniter or night in a working mens' club that's for sure!

Edited October 29, 2008 by Reg

[Guest]

what the hell was all that with the new synth/dance/electropop remix of Frank Wilson?? ........and as for the Four Vandals!!!!

"Synth, dance electropop"

Puh-LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE.

You need to get out more.

And I'm bloody proud and thrilled and boastful with the Four Vandals. The more Simon Bridgers that there are in the world, the more that one record stands as a testament to small minded delusionists.

[Guest]

"Synth, dance electropop"

Puh-LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE.

You need to get out more.

And I'm bloody proud and thrilled and boastful with the Four Vandals. The more Simon Bridgers that there are in the world, the more that one record stands as a testament to small minded delusionists.

That is disrespect to the creditable SM delusionists , Ian .......

What is the " subject " to Kev's DJ spot on Monday evening ? I was talking to him yesterday , and he briefly mentioned the subject ........

Malc Burton

Edited October 29, 2008 by Malc Burton

[Pete S]

Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, Emanuel Laskey, Ray Pollard, Doris Troy. They all have one thing in common. Yep, they're all dead. Except if you switch on the tv and turn to VH1, you're inevitably going to see some footage of Jimi, Kurt and John at some time during the day. You are NEVER going to see Emanuel, Ray and Doris. This alone quantifies Floorfillers as the greatest musical tribute to Soul music ever made. It doesn't matter if the music isn't always to everyone's taste, this is a time capsule and a testament to these fantastic artists, many of who were never fully appreciated in their lifetimes. If anyone can watch this film and not be moved by at least some elements of it then I don't think you truly realise what this scene and this music is all about.

I am not going to review this box set, it would take me all day, and I am not afraid to call a spade a spade, if it was shit I would say it was shit, and yes some of the backing tracks sound too modern but for f*cks sake - it's all we've got left of these people and this film should be compulsary viewing for anyone who has ever taken part in and enjoyed the Northern Soul scene. It is the best £30 you'll ever spend.

Edited October 29, 2008 by Pete S

[Guest soul99 easylay]

"Synth, dance electropop"

Puh-LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE.

You need to get out more.

There's no two ways about it Ian - it is a terrible, terrible repro/over production of the track - all in all though I actually like the CD (with the exception of the FW & Four Vandals) - and no, before you ask, I don't care about all the hype about the Vandals and the furore that went with it, I just don't like the song that's all.

As for FW - shall I post a clip of it and start a poll, for those that think it's good and those that don't?

[Guest]

Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, Emanuel Laskey, Ray Pollard, Doris Troy. They all have one thing in common. Yep, they're all dead. Except if you switch on the tv and turn to VH1, you're inevitably going to see some footage of Jimi, Kurt and John at some time during the day. You are NEVER going to see Emanuel, Ray and Doris. This alone quantifies Floorfillers as the greatest musical tribute to Soul music ever made. It doesn't matter if the music isn't always to everyone's taste, this is a time capsule and a testament to these fantastic artists, many of who were never fully appreciated in their lifetimes. If anyone can watch this film and not be moved by at least some elements of it then I don't think you truly realise what this scene and this music is all about.

I am not going to review this box set, it would take me all day, and I am not afraid to call a spade a spade, if it was shit I would say it was shit, and yes some of the backing tracks sound too modern but for f*cks sake - it's all we've got left of these people and this film should be compulsary viewing for anyone who has ever taken part in and enjoyed the Northern Soul scene. It is the best £30 you'll ever spend.

WELL SAID PETE

Malc Burton

[Guest James Trouble]

This is what i mean about the 'Dumbing down of Northern Soul', this is so wrong it's untrue!

Horrible jazzed up backing, really cheesy video, i'm sorry Ian but that's about as constructive as i can be, i just pray some young people don't see & listen to this & think it's NS because it clearly ain't imho.

Simon

This is a serious risk in my opinion, Simon. All the hard work that some great clubs and promoters are doing could be damaged by this offering.

We can only keep our fingers crossed that it doesn't damage the advancement of the club scene in this country. I hope it may only dent, but I fear the damage to the good work that is being done could be real. Let's hope the limited scope of the promotion of the DVD will mean it won't reach the people who it may put off exploring northern soul propa...

IMHO

Edited October 29, 2008 by James Trouble

[Our Kid]

To all the detractors of the IL project to bring these artists to the screen try this little trick:

A) Bang on any of the DVD's,turn the sound off,and watch the energy in the performers.

I have always been a fan of any artist that puts energy into a tune (which you can do at 18 or 81 don't forget!) I personally reckon this quality is what sets NS apart - it covers slow as well as fast tunes but they ALL got energy!

By lip reading see if you can guess any of the tunes (sounds hard but if someone gives you a jumbled list of all the tunes/artists on the DVD you might well be surprised.) When either by knowledge/luck/elimination you hit on a right answer THEN turn the sound on and you will realise it's the artists we're looking at and their input - this time around I'm afraid the music is secondary.

We're lucky to have a chance to see even what these artists look like,never mind how they have weathered the storm of life.

Unless you can backdrop etc the same as you did 30+ yrs ago I'm afraid your criticism should be kept to yourself.

Paul

[Pete S]

Actually, I forgot, I do have one criticism of the package, it's a minor one but it's annoying. When each track starts, I would have liked a caption to come up telling us who the artists are. That's all.

[soulsalmon]

WELL SAID PETE

Malc Burton

I'll second that Malc,

Salmon

[Guest James Trouble]

To all the detractors of the IL project to bring these artists to the screen try this little trick:

A) Bang on any of the DVD's,turn the sound off,and watch the energy in the performers.

I have always been a fan of any artist that puts energy into a tune (which you can do at 18 or 81 don't forget!) I personally reckon this quality is what sets NS apart - it covers slow as well as fast tunes but they ALL got energy!

By lip reading see if you can guess any of the tunes (sounds hard but if someone gives you a jumbled list of all the tunes/artists on the DVD you might well be surprised.) When either by knowledge/luck/elimination you hit on a right answer THEN turn the sound on and you will realise it's the artists we're looking at and their input - this time around I'm afraid the music is secondary.

We're lucky to have a chance to see even what these artists look like,never mind how they have weathered the storm of life.

Unless you can backdrop etc the same as you did 30+ yrs ago I'm afraid your criticism should be kept to yourself.

Paul

Your right. Just buy the DVD turn the sound off, go to the computer watch this and keep your cirtisism to yourselves!

Show some respect, Ian found loads of records, like thousands and millions of them, he doesn't deserve critisism especially as you can buy the DVD and turn the sound off and watch stuff like that instead.

Right on, Paul.

Edited July 6, 2009 by James Trouble

[Pete S]

Your right. Just buy the DVD turn the sound off, go to the computer watch this and keep your cirtisism to yourselves!

Show some respect, Ian found loads of records, like thousands and millions of them, he doesn't deserve critisism especially as you can buy the DVD and turn the sound off and watch stuff like that instead.

Right on, Paul.

This post has gone over my head I'm afraid but the Lee Fields clip was bloody fantastic

[Guest James Trouble]

This post has gone over my head I'm afraid but the Lee Fields clip was bloody fantastic

It was recorded last year, I believe. It puts this DVD thing into perspective I think...

Support the best, forget the rest.

[Pete S]

It was recorded last year, I believe. It puts this DVD thing into perspective I think...

Support the best, forget the rest.

I don't know about that - there's many moments on the Levine set that are the equal to that, Mel Britt springs to mind, James Fountain is fantastic, etc

[Guest]

Got my copy yesterday and just played one track I'd not heard before........ Verna Francis - All because of you.... Now that lady has got SOUL !

[Guest johnm]

Great picture of Chuck on the cover this single.

The date on this record is 1989 nearly 20 years old.

Chuck Jackson, Around The World, Ramshorn

I prefer this version I bought a 7" after hearing it on the Andy Peebles soul train show

although didn't have a picture sleeve just plain white and the B side had an instrumental

version ..... still got it

[Guest]

That is disrespect to the creditable SM delusionists , Ian .......

Eh ???????

I don't get what you're saying here, Malc. Maybe I misread it.

[Guest]

Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, Emanuel Laskey, Ray Pollard, Doris Troy. They all have one thing in common. Yep, they're all dead. Except if you switch on the tv and turn to VH1, you're inevitably going to see some footage of Jimi, Kurt and John at some time during the day. You are NEVER going to see Emanuel, Ray and Doris. This alone quantifies Floorfillers as the greatest musical tribute to Soul music ever made. It doesn't matter if the music isn't always to everyone's taste, this is a time capsule and a testament to these fantastic artists, many of who were never fully appreciated in their lifetimes. If anyone can watch this film and not be moved by at least some elements of it then I don't think you truly realise what this scene and this music is all about.

I am not going to review this box set, it would take me all day, and I am not afraid to call a spade a spade, if it was shit I would say it was shit, and yes some of the backing tracks sound too modern but for f*cks sake - it's all we've got left of these people and this film should be compulsary viewing for anyone who has ever taken part in and enjoyed the Northern Soul scene. It is the best £30 you'll ever spend.

I loved reading this, it was worth framing, and I really respect you, and I wish you would do me the honour of reviewing it, because at least I know it will be untainted by unfair bias.

[Guest]

This is a serious risk in my opinion, Simon. All the hard work that some great clubs and promoters are doing could be damaged by this offering.

We can only keep our fingers crossed that it doesn't damage the advancement of the club scene in this country. I hope it may only dent, but I fear the damage to the good work that is being done could be real. Let's hope the limited scope of the promotion of the DVD will mean it won't reach the people who it may put off exploring northern soul propa...

You've outdone yourself today.

I never really truly wished anyone dead before now.

[Stevie]

You've outdone yourself today.

I never really truly wished anyone dead before now.

What a truly ridiculous over reaction.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Guest]

What a truly ridiculous over reaction.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm not.

I don't want people like that in my life.

[Guest James Trouble]

You've outdone yourself today.

I never really truly wished anyone dead before now.

The danger is that through Duffy, Sharon Jones and things like that new Tom Jones single young folk may start looking on the web searching out Northern Soul. They find this stuff on Youtube, the production makes them confused as it's totally irrelevant to anything they've heard before, whether the singing is good or not, and they stop their exploration of Northern.

Now, if the DVD and your Youtube stuff didn't exist they could only possibly find the original stuff, and fall in love with it and then go out and discover the clubs and celebrate this music like it was ment to be celebrated, being danced to all night long in clubs full of others who want to do the same thing in celebration.

So it is my opinion, and you can write it on my tombstone that you wish me to have, that you and your DVD and productions are a danger to the future of this music.

It's a shame, but we've still got Daptone so we still got hope...

[Mike]

Respect other members

Do not insult or personally attack another member.

You do not have the right to attack someone for having an opinion other than your own.

If someone disagrees with you, they're entitled to provided they do it respectfully

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forum-house-rules

[Guest]

If someone disagrees with you, they're entitled to provided they do it respectfully

Of course they are.

Sickeningly, and stomach wrenchingly, I have seen precious little respect lately on this page. Just people who are tempting me and goading me to quit this forum.

[Mike]

member warned about recent posts

other members need to tone some of the recent personal stuff down as well

[Guest]

member warned about recent posts

other members need to tone some of the recent personal stuff down as well

I submit the case that these following words...

"Now, if the DVD and your Youtube stuff didn't exist they could only possibly find the original stuff, and fall in love with it and then go out and discover the clubs and celebrate this music like it was ment to be celebrated, being danced to all night long in clubs full of others who want to do the same thing in celebration.

So it is my opinion, and you can write it on my tombstone that you wish me to have, that you and your DVD and productions are a danger to the future of this music."

Are THE most quintessentially evil and disgraceful and soul destroying quotes that I have ever witnessed in my entire forty years of loving Northern Soul.

There are not enough words in the dictionary to express my contempt for anyone who would write such hurtful and sick statements as this.

I am ashamed to live in the same country and belong to the same human race.

I originally came here, reluctantly, after years of neglect and criticism at the hands of some of your members, with absolute trepidation, and opened my heart and soul to people and answered questions and shared experiences and discussed the work that went into making a DVD set of 200 songs of most of our soul heroes, singing their classics for the only time ever, in most cases.

People with their own agenda are using it to tear me to pieces and not caring who they hurt in the process.

As I have said many times, SWONS and now NS200GF will never make a profit, and were not done to make money. They were a labour of love. If people don't like them, I can respect that. BUT - When they then try to make the rest of the Soul world feel guilty for even buying a copy, that is malicious, dangerous, calculated, contrived, and a restraint of trade. I cannot read sick rubbish like the lines I have quoted and sit idly by.

Either we deal with it, or it gets nasty all round. You, Mike, have showed yourself through all of this to be fair minded and honorable, and I freely and openly admit I have changed my opinion of you.

And so, of course, if it gets nasty, I promise to keep Soul Source out of it.

But I must humbly and politely ask you, as someone who put eighty grand into a unique project celebrating the music we all profess to love, to keep this kind of verbal diorrhoea away from this thread, before I can't control myself and seek a severe legal retribution against the perpetrators.

Maybe if you ask James Trouble and Simon Bridger politely to avoid posting on this thread, we can get back to it being pleasant.

Of course they are entitled to their opinion. But when that opinion becomes inflammatory, and tries to bring others into it by influencing them in a negative way, and seeks to damage ten years of seriously hard work, I think even you would hopefully admit these two individuals have stepped over the line and gone way way way too far.

I hope you view this posting with the fairness I believe you will apply to it.

[Guest James Trouble]

I submit the case that these following words...

"Now, if the DVD and your Youtube stuff didn't exist they could only possibly find the original stuff, and fall in love with it and then go out and discover the clubs and celebrate this music like it was ment to be celebrated, being danced to all night long in clubs full of others who want to do the same thing in celebration.

So it is my opinion, and you can write it on my tombstone that you wish me to have, that you and your DVD and productions are a danger to the future of this music."

Are THE most quintessentially evil and disgraceful and soul destroying quotes that I have ever witnessed in my entire forty years of loving Northern Soul.

There are not enough words in the dictionary to express my contempt for anyone who would write such hurtful and sick statements as this.

Either we deal with it, or it gets nasty all round. You, Mike, have showed yourself through all of this to be fair minded and honorable, and I freely and openly admit I have changed my opinion of you.

And so, of course, if it gets nasty, I promise to keep Soul Source out of it.

.

Hey buddy, I think this is against forum rules and probably against Her Majesty's laws as well.

It's just my opinion that your productions will put off young folk. The old nostalgia brigade may like em, bringing back the memories, it'll never be over for me, wigan forever and all that. But anyone who puts themselves on a stool (or stool) is there to be critisised. I don't believe "Northern Soul" and what it means is being properly represented by your productions, and could in fact be harmful to much of the good work that promoters are doing right across Europe and the UK at the moment.

I might be wrong, it's just an opinion.

Edited October 29, 2008 by James Trouble

[Guest Simon]

There are not enough words in the dictionary to express my contempt for anyone who would write such hurtful and sick statements as this.

I am ashamed to live in the same country and belong to the same human race.

I think Ian you'll find you're the one who's writing the "hurtful & sick statements"

"Thank f*** there are better people than you around."

"You have as much soul as the doll of Lady Penelope that stares out from your avatar. That says it all really.

You might as well be bleedin' collecting stamps."

"I care far to deeply to let these pricks get to me..

I repeat my old saying - I love Northern Soul music but I phucking HATE the scene."

"Next thing you'll be asking me to commiserate with James Trouble for his ingrowing toenail.

WISH SAM WELL - for a bloody voluntary finger operation - gimme a break."

"Filming with loving care so that reactionary right wing purists, and Thunderbirds fans, could slag it all off, tear it all down, and dismiss it all as an abomination."

"The more Simon Bridgers that there are in the world, the more that one record stands as a testament to small minded delusionists."

"You've outdone yourself today.

I never really truly wished anyone dead before now."

"Either we deal with it, or it gets nasty all round"

"before I can't control myself and seek a severe legal retribution against the perpetrators."

Now if you've read all that i think you'll find you're the one who's out of order to say the least Ian, all me or James have done is to say we dislike your video & don't class it as Northern Soul.

Simon

[Guest biggray1]

WELL SAID PETE

Malc Burton

Yep that gets my support too.

[Pete S]

Hey buddy, I think this is against forum rules and probably against Her Majesty's laws as well.

It's just my opinion that your productions will put off young folk. Old coots may like em, bringing back the memories, it'll never be over for me, wigan forever and all that. But anyone who puts themselves on a stool (or stool) is there to be critisised. I don't believe "Northern Soul" and what it means is being properly represented by your productions, and could in fact be harmful to much of the good work that promoters are doing right across Europe and the UK at the moment.

I might be wrong, it's just an opinion.

It's Mister Old Coot thank you

[Guest James Trouble]

It's Mister Old Coot thank you

Sorry, sir. Although it is a term of affection Amended to 'nostalgia brigade', if that's ok?

[Guest]

Hey buddy, I think this is against forum rules

I'm not your buddy, and don't ever ever ever ever make the mistake of thinking otherwise.

[Guest James Trouble]

I'm not your buddy, and don't ever ever ever ever make the mistake of thinking otherwise.

Edited October 29, 2008 by James Trouble

[Pete S]

I loved reading this, it was worth framing, and I really respect you, and I wish you would do me the honour of reviewing it, because at least I know it will be untainted by unfair bias.

I would have liked to have written more Ian but I just haven't had chance. Anyway, I want to watch the lot before doing an in-depth one. Funny, remember what happened when I reviewed it first time around (SWONS), I've done a 100% swing to the opposite viewpoint since then. It takes time to appreciate something I guess and while I can understand people criticising you yourself, because I'm sure you'll admit you can be a pain in the neck sometimes, I can not understand anyone criticising any part of this project and I will defend it to the hilt if needs be. I can't be like James and not show any deference to these artists. This is, and always has been, the greatest music ever made and no version of the Emperors New Clothes is ever going to deflect from that, good as it may be.

[Reg]

I would have liked to have written more Ian but I just haven't had chance. Anyway, I want to watch the lot before doing an in-depth one. Funny, remember what happened when I reviewed it first time around (SWONS), I've done a 100% swing to the opposite viewpoint since then. It takes time to appreciate something I guess and while I can understand people criticising you yourself, because I'm sure you'll admit you can be a pain in the neck sometimes, I can not understand anyone criticising any part of this project and I will defend it to the hilt if needs be. I can't be like James and not show any deference to these artists. This is, and always has been, the greatest music ever made and no version of the Emperors New Clothes is ever going to deflect from that, good as it may be.

Pete you are becoming the wise old guru of Soul Source (well not too old.... )....

[Pete S]

Pete you are becoming the wise old guru of Soul Source (well not too old.... )....

No, sometimes I put my extremely rare sensible head on that's all.

p.s. I am 48

[Guest]

Eh ???????

I don't get what you're saying here, Malc. Maybe I misread it.

Sorry Ian ......

What I meant was , that there may be a few small minded delusionists that could have valid / relevent points to air / voice , but it would be disrespectful to them to include T & B among them .......

Malc Burton

[Godzilla]

Sorry Ian ......

What I meant was , that there may be a few small minded delusionists that could have valid / relevent points to air / voice , but it would be disrespectful to them to include T & B among them .......

Malc Burton

Delusionists with valid points? Flippin 'eck! Where are you getting your stuff fom Malc? - it must be flippin rocket fuel

Edited October 29, 2008 by Godzilla

[Guest soul99 easylay]

I'm not your buddy, and don't ever ever ever ever make the mistake of thinking otherwise.

.............Where is the love man?

Methinks this is all getting very, very over serious. If we've all agreed that we have a love of this wonderful music, then surely it's not worth getting so overwrought over it is it?

...are there not bigger things in life to worry over?

.......are we not just all a little jealous that Ian has managed to make a living out of something that he (and we) love so dearly? And that he has had the opportunity to meet some of the people that have produced the music we all dance to?

.......in due deference to you, Ian, I applaud you for have the "minerals" to come on here, knowing full well that you wouldn't get an entirely warm welcome (especially from the Soul Credential Police) , but even I'm stunned at the hostility that these two threads have generated (and I'm afraid you have to take some of the criticism here as well Ian). But, as for everyone who has posted personal and pointedly hostile comments towards each other - hang your heads in shame, it's all so easy to type bile onto a computer screen, but it's so much more difficult to make reasoned points and arguments face to face, and it's much more painful when it's you that's the subject of the hostility and you are reading the comments at the other end, when you can't see facial expressions or see sarcasm.

I was away from the Soul scene for many years (for one reason or another) and I've only been back on it for a few years, and I can't believe the change. I never realised the politics involved, I'm just so glad I'm only a dancer, as I can't do with all this back biting

[Guest]

.......in due deference to you, Ian, I applaud you for have the "minerals" to come on here, knowing full well that you wouldn't get an entirely warm welcome (especially from the Soul Credential Police) , but even I'm stunned at the hostility that these two threads have generated

When people refer to the wonderful Gwen Owens singing "Wanted And Needed" as "an abomination", and when pompous puritannical DJ's, who should know better, state that the world would be a better place if I had never filmed these videos, I feel sick to the stomach and lose all my love of life.

My joyous optimism has, under these circumstances, indeed been turned to hate, because naively I did not know that such spite existed here, and that's a pretty big statement to make, after remembering that people marched through the Highland Room with a twelve foot banner saying "Levine Must Go", and that's just because I played The Carstairs and The Montclairs at the time.

When James Trouble, and Simon Bridger, and indeed my own self too, are long dead and buried in the ground, people will write essays and wonder how the soul fans of the early twenty first century could ever have been so blind, much like the contemporaries of Gallileo and Copernicus.

[Guest Simon]

Sorry Ian ......

What I meant was , that there may be a few small minded delusionists that could have valid / relevent points to air / voice , but it would be disrespectful to them to include T & B among them .......

Malc Burton

Such devastating repartee, i've done a Levine & removed you from my Facebook account ha ha!

Au Revoir....

[Guest]

Such devastating repartee, i've done a Levine & removed you from my Facebook account ha ha!

Au Revoir....

Simon , Simon , Simon .......

To quote Catherine Tate - " Am I bovvered " ...........

No doubt I will get a double up later , when JT does the same as you , and removes me from his Facebook account .........

Hope I can sleep tonight .........

Malc Burton

Edited October 29, 2008 by Malc Burton

[Guest]

To quote Katherine Tate - " Am I bovvered " ...........

No doubt I will get a double up later , when JT does the same .........

Hope I can sleep tonight .........

Malc Burton

Don't worry dear Malc.

I have nearly 900 friends on facebook and just about every Northern Soulie on there, apart from the two I deleted and blocked.

I will recommend to all of them that they add you as a friend as well.

[Guest]

To quote Katherine Tate - " Am I bovvered " ...........

bovvered - face - %%nts - bovvered - di%%s - bovvered - pri%%s - s%um - bovvered - NOT.

Edited October 29, 2008 by Ian Levine