Ian Levine, Motorcity, Centre City, Blackpool Mecca, And Swons

[Guest]

This may interest one or two people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgj_g_qQG50

Oh Epic, how utterly utterly brilliantly FABULOUS.

I will post it up for you, as you seem to have not grasped how to do it.

[Guest Paul]

Oh Epic, how utterly utterly brilliantly FABULOUS.

I will post it up for you, as you seem to have not grasped how to do it.

Amazing to watch that, thanks a lot.

It would be great to put names to all the musicians.

Paul

[Guest]

Best of luck with this.

After living with the spoken version for so long I'm really looking forward to hearing the instrumental track. As I've said before, it's one of Ian and Clive's best productions in my opinion.

Personally, I don't like the label design but that's a subjective thing and I really don't think it matters very much.

I hope it does well.

Paul

I usually agree with you, Paul, but I REALLY like the label design, and much more than the white promo.

[Guest]

Amazing to watch that, thanks a lot.

It would be great to put names to all the musicians.

Paul

I went back and listened to the whole original version, and I had forgotten how much less danceable it is, purely because I had gotten so used to our version.

[vaultofsouler]

Sorry for the delay in answering. Only just got back online.

The label is very reminiscent of Parkway, yes.

The answer to your questions is utterly simple. This is 100% legal in every single way, everything is fully licensed. EVERYONE is getting paid, right down to Isaac Hayes estate (via MCPS).

Phil

Yes it is like Parkway that's why I asked where you came up with your original design.... I'm asuming then you based it on the Parkway design intentionally....

As for your "100% legal" reply.... I didn't actually question any part of the actual tune's status with respect to that.... but thanks for stating it anyway....

[Guest]

Yes it is like Parkway that's why I asked where you came up with your original design.... I'm asuming then you based it on the Parkway design intentionally....

As for your "100% legal" reply.... I didn't actually question any part of the actual tune's status with respect to that.... but thanks for stating it anyway....

I see you haven't criticised his religion this post.

Maybe things are improving after all.

[vaultofsouler]

Firstly the design has nothing to do with me.

I was merely commenting that I liked it. I see it as a kind of Sixties homage.

As for Cameo and Parkway, they're owned by Alan Klein, a man with, shall we say, a not so nice reputation. All the artists have been trying to get a class action against him for years because he won't do deals and won't release the old stuff and does the artists out of millions of pounds of royalties that they might have earned if their old product had been owned by a more co-operative person, especially so I'm told for Chubby Checker, The Orlons, Bobby Rydell, Len Barry etc etc, all of whom hate him like he was the AntiChrist.

The post was to Phil.... didn't relate the design to you....

Only "bit" of post was asking if you thought it "Parkway(esque)" as a query to your "I like it" post....

Ohhhh I see we have another troll trying to challenge me, this time through Phil Dick. And stooping so low as to question his religion too.

Look here sunshine, if you think you can make some sort of name for yourself with this type of sad and pathetic bullshit, better men than you have tried.

I would do The Four Vandals again ten times over to prove a point to troublemakers like you.

Woah.... firstly, don't call me a fookin troll when the post was a comment directly for Phil not you.... secondly, you also seem to band insults about quite easily just for comments without actually being insulted yourself....

Thirdly, for your information the religion part was in relation to dissapearing for a while then suddenly returning stating "been born again" and coming across as giving himself absolution for all past wrongdoings.... something that just doesn't quite work out like that.... not stooping low.... just observed facts.... again not directed at you....

Finally, don't try to be condescending with "sunshine" and the rest of your "bullshit" reply when I wasn't even speaking to you in my post (except for very last bit as said)....

It seems to me you could fall out with yourself just looking in the mirror based on your replies to me regarding my post to Phil.... so next time just be sure first that I'm actually speaking to you ....

[vaultofsouler]

I see you haven't criticised his religion this post.

Maybe things are improving after all.

See post above....

[vaultofsouler]

Do you prefer this label design then?

It's only on a few promo's though, so you won't likely to be able to get one. But some folks on here will.

Phil

White label demos are difficult not to like in my opinion....

Just thought that with today's software a "fresher" looking label could have been designed for a "new" label rather than using a similar existing "old" label design...

[Guest Paul]

I went back and listened to the whole original version, and I had forgotten how much less danceable it is, purely because I had gotten so used to our version.

I did exactly the same thing recently, Ian, and each version has it's own very own 'feel'.

What is most surprising is that the tempos are very similar. The major difference is the drum pattern and bass line which gives your version more drive. Isaac's version now sounds quite relaxed in comparison.

The fact that they are so different probably explains why I can still enjoy both versions.

Paul

Edited September 24, 2008 by Paul

[Guest]

I did exactly the same thing recently, Ian, and each version has it's own very own 'feel'.

What is most surprising is that the tempos are very similar. The major difference is the drum pattern and bass line which gives your version more drive. Isaac's version now sounds quite relaxed in comparison.

The fact that they are so different probably explains why I can still enjoy both versions.

Paul

The tempos had to be similar, because Gary The Master Blaster's original speech was spoken over the original Isaac Hayes version, and sound expert Mark Ayres managed to lift the speech and remove the music, which meant that our new version had to be at the same tempo for the speech to fit over it.

I hadn't heard the original for a long time, and I was just surprised at how much mellower it was, as I had gotten used to our version over the last ten years.

[Guest]

for your information the religion part was in relation to dissapearing for a while then suddenly returning stating "been born again" and coming across as giving himself absolution for all past wrongdoings.... something that just doesn't quite work out like that.... not stooping low.... just observed facts.... again not directed at you....

It seems to me you could fall out with yourself just looking in the mirror based on your replies to me regarding my post to Phil.... so next time just be sure first that I'm actually speaking to you

I know it was directed at Phil, but I believe in freedom of religion, race and sexual orientation.

I didn't like it one bit on here, a couple of weeks ago, when some retard accused my being gay as being a genetic problem, and neither do I like it when I see a friend criticised because he has certain religious beliefs.

If people don't speak out, we end up being like the current state of America under George Bush, where civil liberties have been crushed underneath the jackboot of the moral majority.

I am not attacking you personally so much as the way you used his religion as a weapon to criticise.

[Guest]

Yeah, it's pretty good innit? Can't wait to get my hands on one now.........it's one of those where I prefer the issue to the demo.......

As I said earlier, so do I.

But out of curiosity, how many white label demos are you actually pressing ???

[Guest Paul]

The tempos had to be similar, because Gary The Master Blaster's original speech was spoken over the original Isaac Hayes version, and sound expert Mark Ayres managed to lift the speech and remove the music, which meant that our new version had to be at the same tempo for the speech to fit over it.

I hadn't heard the original for a long time, and I was just surprised at how much mellower it was, as I had gotten used to our version over the last ten years.

Your version subconsciously felt a little faster ...until I listened to Issac Hayes again and focused on the different drum patterns and bass lines.

I reckon they're both around 136 / 137 BPM.

By the way, what's the fastest tempo you ever used?

Paul

[Dave]

The post was to Phil.... didn't relate the design to you....

Only "bit" of post was asking if you thought it "Parkway(esque)" as a query to your "I like it" post....

Woah.... firstly, don't call me a fookin troll when the post was a comment directly for Phil not you.... secondly, you also seem to band insults about quite easily just for comments without actually being insulted yourself....

Thirdly, for your information the religion part was in relation to dissapearing for a while then suddenly returning stating "been born again" and coming across as giving himself absolution for all past wrongdoings.... something that just doesn't quite work out like that.... not stooping low.... just observed facts.... again not directed at you....

Finally, don't try to be condescending with "sunshine" and the rest of your "bullshit" reply when I wasn't even speaking to you in my post (except for very last bit as said)....

It seems to me you could fall out with yourself just looking in the mirror based on your replies to me regarding my post to Phil.... so next time just be sure first that I'm actually speaking to you ....

More than one very valid point there Mark!

One of the best posts on the whole sales thread.

[Guest]

Your version subconsciously felt a little faster ...until I listened to Issac Hayes again and focused on the different drum patterns and bass lines.

I reckon they're both around 136 / 137 BPM.

By the way, what's the fastest tempo you ever used?

Paul

About 180 for The Flirtations "Back On My Feet Again", which was very similar to the Pointer Sisters "I'm So Excited", and released in 1989.

[paup-ine]

...sales thread)

You could say that, but arn't a lot of the threads on this this site connected in one way or another.

Speaking for myself only, I read this addictive site everyday. Wether its 'Look In Your Box', 'Refosoul' etc. I see or hear some stuff I have not heard for a long time, or hav not heard before. It gets you thinking if you like it, or it sounds better than you remember. You then look in 'Sales', Ebay, Amazon etc....

Thats just speaking for my self only. Thats only my opinion. What do I know anyway. I just like what I like, read what I want to read.

P

Edited September 25, 2008 by paup-ine

[vaultofsouler]

I know it was directed at Phil, but I believe in freedom of religion, race and sexual orientation.

I didn't like it one bit on here, a couple of weeks ago, when some retard accused my being gay as being a genetic problem, and neither do I like it when I see a friend criticised because he has certain religious beliefs.

If people don't speak out, we end up being like the current state of America under George Bush, where civil liberties have been crushed underneath the jackboot of the moral majority.

I am not attacking you personally so much as the way you used his religion as a weapon to criticise.

I too believe in the freedom to be who you are but I fail to see a link to my post as I didn't "critcise" his religion...

I repeat, for anybody to now wash their hands of previous wrongdoings after disappearing and finding God doesn'tr make the wrongdoings right or any less to those affected.... that is not criticising religion that is stating to use it to proclaim absolution from things past doesn't wash with some people....

I feel you read too much into the religion comments instead of grasping the point....

Now I'm getting back to work because it may be frowned upon by my colleauges that I'm utilising the NHS PC network inappropriately ....

[Pete S]

Regarding the Parkway label design, I like it, but agree with the previous poster who said the typeface was hideous.

I also agree with Vaultofsouler about Phil Dick being born again, I liked the old Phil and I really like this new one but that doesn't mean he should be forgiven for being a tw*t in a previous incarnation.

[Phild]

Regarding the Parkway label design, I like it, but agree with the previous poster who said the typeface was hideous.

I also agree with Vaultofsouler about Phil Dick being born again, I liked the old Phil and I really like this new one but that doesn't mean he should be forgiven for being a tw*t in a previous incarnation.

Being born again doesn't stop me being a tw*t. Just ask my wife

[Pete S]

Being born again doesn't stop me being a tw*t. Just ask my wife

I did, it was her who told me.

[Ian Dewhirst]

I went back and listened to the whole original version, and I had forgotten how much less danceable it is, purely because I had gotten so used to our version.

There's a wealth of difference IMO with the Gary The Master Blaster version being massively more danceable and punchy. The Isaac Hayes version is almost like a bossa nova cocktail lounge version compared to GTMB, hence the reason why the original never exactly set the dancefloors alight. Some people would consider it heresy but I far prefer GTMB's version to the original and I LOVE Isaac Hayes!

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Being born again doesn't stop me being a tw*t. Just ask my wife

Don't let those words come back to haunt you Phil! Can you please PM your wife's contact details so I can make some discreet enquiries please?

Ian D

[Guest Paul]

About 180 for The Flirtations "Back On My Feet Again", which was very similar to the Pointer Sisters "I'm So Excited", and released in 1989.

180???

Wow! And I thought LJ Johnson's "Magic" was fast at a mere 145 or whatever it was.

Paul

[Roger Williams]

I like the new pastiche designs, I've done a few for Expansion over the years and I think the idea of doing them should be looked on as complimentary, rather than looked on as something derogatory.

Got to agree on the typeface issue though (being a typographer I would do!), the choice of font can be all-important to the genuine look of these labels.

Roger

[Ian Dewhirst]

About 180 for The Flirtations "Back On My Feet Again", which was very similar to the Pointer Sisters "I'm So Excited", and released in 1989.

Yep. Thanks a bunch mate. I just tried dancing to it and just suffered a heart attack and a hideously broken leg. All of which makes the title somewhat prophetic.....

Ian D

[Guest Paul]

I must say it was the typsetting and the mistakes that put me off, not the colours or style.

If you haven't already gone to print you should have another go at it, using condensed fonts for titles and be careful with the small print. I don't think it works when you set small print in bold.

Paul

[Roger Williams]

I must say it was the typsetting and the mistakes that put me off, not the colours or style.

If you haven't already gone to print you should have another go at it, using condensed fonts for titles and be careful with the small print. I don't think it works when you set small print in bold.

Paul

Look for the kind fonts that have an old 'hot metal' equivalent, ones that would have been used in the 60s and 70s in particular - Engravers, Gothic, Imprint, Didot, Modern (funnily enough! ) - I know these can cost money but equivalents to most of them can be found on blogs or free websites. Arial is quite simply the shittest typeface ever invented, why anyone would ever use it is beyond me.

Also by making the type too lined up, structured and uniform can give it too new an appearance, if you look at the old labels, the layout of a lot of the type was very random and rough in a lot of cases.

Just a few thoughts, that's all.

Roger

[Guest Paul]

Look for the kind fonts that have an old 'hot metal' equivalent, ones that would have been used in the 60s and 70s in particular - Engravers, Gothic, Imprint, Didot, Modern (funnily enough! ) - I know these can cost money but equivalents to most of them can be found on blogs or free websites. Arial is quite simply the shittest typeface ever invented, why anyone would ever use it is beyond me.

Also by making the type too lined up, structured and uniform can give it too new an appearance, if you look at the old labels, the layout of a lot of the type was very random and rough in a lot of cases.

Just a few thoughts, that's all.

Roger

Univers was the most common font family used by US record label printers when they used those Varitype machines for setting. Another common one was Franklin Gothic and variants of it.

By the 1980s Helvetica fonts were quite common.

The secret today is the horizontal scale and tracking and, as Roger said, avoiding being too uniform.

And in most cases they only used two or three different font sizes on each design.

Paul

[Guest Paul]

Another important point is the label size.

UK labels are cut to 85mm diameter but US labels are either 90 mm or 92 mm diameter.

Paul

[Guest]

Amazing to watch that, thanks a lot.

It would be great to put names to all the musicians.

Paul

Here you go Sir

Isaac Hayes - Piano

James Alexander - Bass

Charles "Skip" Pitts - Guitar

Michael Toles - Lead Guitar Solo on Cafe Reggio

Willie Hall - Drums

Sydney Kirk - Electric Piano

Andy.

[Guest Paul]

Here you go Sir

Isaac Hayes - Piano

James Alexander - Bass

Charles "Skip" Pitts - Guitar

Michael Toles - Lead Guitar Solo on Cafe Reggio

Willie Hall - Drums

Sydney Kirk - Electric Piano

Andy.

Thanks Andy,

I'll watch it again now and pay more attention.

Paul

P.S. Why are you using a photo of a porn star for your avatar???

[Pete S]

Thanks Andy,

I'll watch it again now and pay more attention.

Paul

P.S. Why are you using a photo of a porn star for your avatar???

It lists all the musicians in the comments below the Youtube clip

[Guest Paul]

It lists all the musicians in the comments below the Youtube clip

Thanks,

I'd only had a quick glance and it. I'll look forward to watching it properly now.

Paul

[soul_ster]

A little understated for my taste

ian ,fay jones,you threw a lucky punch AWESOME TOTALLY AWESOME

[soul_ster]

I just stumbled across this purely by accident.

Now THIS is what DJs should be playing if they have an open mind. My GOD, this is mindblowing. The best new record of someone else's that I have heard for years. It put all the Sharon Jones stuff in the shade. STUNNING AND AWESOME.

I know nothing about this record. Can someone please please fill me in on who is behind it, PLEASE.

BEST NEW RECORD (THAT I DIDN'T PRODUCE) FOR TEN YEARS (That's not meant to sound arrogant, it's just that for obvious reasons, I do like my stuff). But THIS gives me goosebumps.

yeah like this as well but its one of those tracks that will be forgotten in a couple of months where as nat augusten love is my sanctuary knocks spots of it .if you aint heard this track then track it down you will not be disappointed off to listen to it again this is real soul music

[Guest Paul]

Hello Pete,

I just noticed that you were the recipient of my 1,000th posting.

I don't know if it's significant or a bit spoooky.

I only have to make another 14,697 postings before I catch you up.

[Phild]

I like the new pastiche designs, I've done a few for Expansion over the years and I think the idea of doing them should be looked on as complimentary, rather than looked on as something derogatory.

Got to agree on the typeface issue though (being a typographer I would do!), the choice of font can be all-important to the genuine look of these labels.

Roger

I tried to create a new label with a complimentary nod to our "Proud Soul heritage"

If you want to knock one up for us for free Roger just let me know and I'll get the Photoshop files across to you.

Cheers

Phil

[Roger Williams]

I tried to create a new label with a complimentary nod to our "Proud Soul heritage"

If you want to knock one up for us for free Roger just let me know and I'll get the Photoshop files across to you.

Cheers

Phil

Sorry Phil, I'm chocka with work right now. I wasn't being critical of you in any way though mate, not at all, I think the label's pretty good personally.

Cheers

Roger

[Guest]

You could say that, but arn't a lot of the threads on this this site connected in one way or another.

Speaking for myself only, I read this addictive site everyday. Wether its 'Look In Your Box', 'Refosoul' etc. I see or hear some stuff I have not heard for a long time, or hav not heard before. It gets you thinking if you like it, or it sounds better than you remember. You then look in 'Sales', Ebay, Amazon etc....

Thats just speaking for my self only. Thats only my opinion. What do I know anyway. I just like what I like, read what I want to read.

And I wish there were more like you, Pauline.

You make the world a better place.

[Guest]

ian ,fay jones,you threw a lucky punch AWESOME TOTALLY AWESOME

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[Guest]

yeah like this as well but its one of those tracks that will be forgotten in a couple of months where as nat augusten love is my sanctuary knocks spots of it .if you aint heard this track then track it down you will not be disappointed off to listen to it again this is real soul music

I love you to bits. How fabulous to have such nice and open minded and appreciative people on here.

You have no idea how much of a much-needed lift your comments have given me, and mere words of thanks seem inadequate.

[Guest]

The legendary Jimmy Thomas

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[soul_ster]

Your wish is my command.

Here's another old soldier.

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[Guest]

man forgot how good this is after watching the clip i had to pul out the 45 and give it a spin now this is what soul music should be about making you feel good making you fee totally alive. dont know which i prefer most now the 45 or your reworking of it ian as its just as good. roll on the dvd cant wait

The eagerly awaited DVD Box Set comes out four weeks on Monday.

And five weeks on Monday, November 3rd, we're having the big launch party at the Ion Bar in Ladbroke Grove, West London.

Everyone on Soul Source (with about two exceptions) is welcome to come, and there are a few major surprise artists gonna be there.

Just let me know, or send an e-mail to

northernsoulfloorfillers@live.com

to be on the free guest list.

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[soul_ster]

I love you to bits. How fabulous to have such nice and open minded and appreciative people on here.

You have no idea how much of a much-needed lift your comments have given me, and mere words of thanks seem inadequate.

ian no thanks needed in fact it should be me thanking you for still having the balls to go out and produce fantastic soul music .freda payne fay jones nat augustin etc should be getting plays at clubs as they are awesome soul records.i know the old argument that there is loads of underplayed 60s/70s tunes out there and people should be playing this why not both?when you concider that crap like duffy and frank popp get played yet real soul like the above is ignored then it is crimminal.

[soul_ster]

And loads of other class acts ..Buy it, its history..

P

Very nice too are ( from NS 2008):

Shenton Dixon - I'll Move A Mountain

Angelo Starr - Don't Leave Me Stranded

paupine on your recomendation i listened to angelo starr and its brill will get round to listening to shenton dixon thanks

[soul_ster]

Thankyou.

I'm proud to have you as a new friend.

What's your name and where are you from ??

I gave Ian Dewhirst most of the "Best Of Motorcity" CDs. The Pat Lewis "Moving On" track is on one of them, and hopefully he will post us up a nice sound clip to listen to.

In the meantime, although I posted it ages back, did you hear my personal favourite Motorcity song ???

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[soul_ster]

Here goes......

Pat Lewis "Moving On"

https://www.zshare.net/audio/1917612845feee55/

Ian D

i like this dosnt instantly grab you like freda payne ,grows on you

[soul_ster]

ok ian levine dosnt do northern soul then check out jennifer dee no more water in the well if this isnt on 45 then it should be just gets better and better what a voice