I remember from my first allnighters at CWG in 76 a good mixture of monsters like Little Joe Cooks Falling in love with you baby, classic Northern if you like, playing alongside The Carstairs It really Hurts me girl, early modern I suppose, with a fine spectrum in between, but then about 4 years later the influx of stuff like Mike Mandells Peg and Francis Magee's Delerium, albeit in a seperate room launched a spin off scene.

What direction did that end up taking? Is there another scene still specialising in that genre or have the followers come back to the Northern Soul scene via the modern route.

Personally I liked most of that stuff but cant say Ive ever heard much of it back in the mainstream since its creation. Used to love hearing Sugar Hill Gangs Rappers delight and the Message, but cant see it getting plays along side todays revived oldies like Lets clean up the Ghetto etc.

Come on you Jazz Funkers, where are you.

Ed

Edited August 15, 200816 yr by tomangoes

  tomangoes said:

I remember from my first allnighters at CWG in 76 a good mixture of monsters like Little Joe Cooks Falling in love with you baby, classic Northern if you like, playing alongside The Carstairs It really Hurts me girl, early modern I suppose, with a fine spectrum in between, but then about 4 years later the influx of stuff like Mike Mandells Peg and Francis Magee's Delerium, albeit in a seperate room launched a spin off scene.

What direction did that end up taking? Is there another scene still specialising in that genre or have the followers come back to the Northern Soul scene via the modern route.

Personally I liked most of that stuff but cant say Ive ever heard much of it back in the mainstream since its creation. Used to love hearing Sugar Hill Gangs Rappers delight and the Message, but cant see it getting plays along side todays revived oldies like Lets clean up the Ghetto etc.

Come on you Jazz Funkers, where are you.

Ed

Alot of us that did the Jazz Funk still around both Northern and Modern scene.

Plus the Jazz Funk room at Blackburn is always busy, and there,s a Jazz Funk room at the Hilton weekenders.

Edited August 15, 200816 yr by davetay

A lot of those people still attend modern events & listen to Modern Jazz - Soulful & Funky House.

Upstairs at The Orwell next Sunday (August 24th) will give you a fine example of what I am talking about.

  tomangoes said:

I remember from my first allnighters at CWG in 76 a good mixture of monsters like Little Joe Cooks Falling in love with you baby, classic Northern if you like, playing alongside The Carstairs It really Hurts me girl, early modern I suppose, with a fine spectrum in between, but then about 4 years later the influx of stuff like Mike Mandells Peg and Francis Magee's Delerium, albeit in a seperate room launched a spin off scene.

What direction did that end up taking? Is there another scene still specialising in that genre or have the followers come back to the Northern Soul scene via the modern route.

Personally I liked most of that stuff but cant say Ive ever heard much of it back in the mainstream since its creation. Used to love hearing Sugar Hill Gangs Rappers delight and the Message, but cant see it getting plays along side todays revived oldies like Lets clean up the Ghetto etc.

Come on you Jazz Funkers, where are you.

Ed

They have all choked on their whistles!

Hi my name is trev and im a jazz funker. there i said it ,i feel better now. seriously though ,Having done both the mecca and the casino,often on the same night there became a point in time when the two where so different musically ,76 77 ish maybe, that it didnt seem natural to want to do both .I stayed with the mecca and followed that musical path which took us to rafters, cassinellis and caister etc. Still into northern , and get to quite a few nights but really more into 70s stuff , you know that mecca sound . jazz-funk was just a natural progression of that scene in my opinion ,and It was the mecca that led me to some fantastic times on the jazz-funk scene in the late seventies . If i'd have just gone to the casino i would have missed that, and the casino wasn't really going anywhere at that time [just my opinion]. I dont think there is a scene anymore [up north anyway] and by its nature of being part of a progressive scene it maybe should be left back there in time , having said that i'd be there like a shot if someone organised something!!

  StevieNoWonder said:

They have all choked on their whistles! ......................

................Soon after they heard that people actualy danced to the Theme From Joe 90

Think you're right "epic" seems to me that "jazz/funk" scene has evolved into "soulful/garage house" scene.

As for the music itself unfortunately it seems to have turned into "smooth jazz"

Cheers Paul

  soul shrews said:

Think you're right "epic" seems to me that "jazz/funk" scene has evolved into "soulful/garage house" scene.

As for the music itself unfortunately it seems to have turned into "smooth jazz"

Cheers Paul

You must not be listening to the right stuff - plenty of good modern jazzy funky tunes out there with not so much as a hint of "elevator music" about them.

Can you point me in the (non house) right direction then please

Cheers Paul

Since (as far as I'm aware), there was no such thing as a Jazz/Funk club scene in the US, the UK scene was always vulnerable to changing patterns in music Stateside, such as the emergence of rap and widespread adoption of the electronic beatbox in the 80s.

As can be seen, many former jazz musicians either went totally commercial (ala. George Benson's later recordings) or returned to the freeform jazz styles of the 50s and 60s. The Jazz-Funk fusion experiment just ran it's course. In addition, the UK scene suffered greatly by widespread club closures during the recession of the early 80s.

However there are still some some great Jazz/Funk tracks that were rarely heard played out even at the time due to the rapidly changing playlists. As for the evolution/link to contemporary dance music, Colin Curtis' DJ career probably reflects the changes fairly accurately!

Edited August 15, 200816 yr by mel brat

try jazzman records website some brilliant tunes on there

  StevieNoWonder said:

They have all choked on their whistles!

you too

The US has had one of the most consistent Jazz-Funk scenes ever since 1974. It was David Mancuso who influenced hundreds of DJs and music lovers in NYC and eventually around the World.

We don't use the term "Jazz Funk". We say "that's a Loft record" or that's a "Garage" record, referring to Paradise Garage or David Mancuso's "Loft". But for the purposes of UK music fans, it's some of the finest Jazz Funk ever. Some of it is spacey Disco and other styles.

Just a short list:

1. Home is Where the Hatred is-Gil Scott Heron

2. Movin'-Brass Construction

3. Shakara-Fela

4. Light On the Path-Brian Auger's Oblivion Express

5. New York City-Miroslav Vitous

6. Whistle Bump-Deodato

7. Love Money-TW Funkmasters

8. Sun Palace-Rude Movements

9. Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now-Risco Connections

10. Life On Mars-Dexter Wansel

11. Funk-A-Nova-Wood Brass & Steel

12. Mysteries of the World-MFSB

13. Expansions-Lonnie Liston Smith

14. Rock Creek Park-Blackbyrds

15. SOS-Matsubara

16. Dancing In Outer Space-Atmosfear

17. Feelin' Good/Delerium-Francine McGhee

18. Soul Makossa-Manu Dibango

19. Woman-Barrabas

20. Just In Time and Space-Raw Silk

Tons more like that. A lot of this stuff is still really popular in places like NYC especially because the Loft memories still resonate with so many people. If you look at my list, you'll see similarities to the UK Jazz Funk scene. I think there are people all over the World that are up for this type of stuff.

Some of them might even be hiding on Soul Source...

-Jas

So the Jazz Funk/Lofters live on.

My fave at the time, and I even bought the LP, was Cleveland Eatons Bama Boogie Woogie (Similar to Brass Constructions - Movin).

Seven Seas - Fight the power was another 'tune'.

Come on you across the board DJs, give a couple a spin for old time sake.

Ed

Edited August 16, 200816 yr by tomangoes

  tomangoes said:

So the Jazz Funk/Lofters live on.

My fave at the time, and I even bought the LP, was Cleveland Eatons Bama Boogie Woogie (Similar to Brass Constructions - Movin).

Seven Seas - Fight the power was another 'tune'.

Come on you across the board DJs, give a couple a spin for old time sake.

Ed

I hovered around edges of the Northern & Jazz Funk scene, in fact in my teens I was known locally as funky phil!

I now tend to stick with the Northern mainly, my partner Pat would prefer to be in a JF / Moderrn room all the time, if only she could drag me in there

At school mostly everyone in my class was into jazz funk and I really loved it too until I discovered other stuff. It brings back so many memories of school and losing myself in music in my bedroom as I wasn't allowed out until I left school - thanks Dad lol!

If someone stuck The Real Thing - Can You Feel The Force on at a nighter i'd be on the floor in a second, no kidding.

I also have a thing for jazz-funk.

However, the problem back in the day was that the jazz purists thought it was too funky (people like Herbie Hancock and others were shunned for going in the direction of pop/funk), whereas some of the die-hard funk fans thought jazz-funk was too jazzy and lightweight, so quite a few people were alienated. But personally I think it´s a great genre and if I weren´t so lazy I could´ve made a very loooooooong list of jazz-funk tunes that I would love to hear played today.

Cheers,

Melismo

  tomangoes said:

So the Jazz Funk/Lofters live on.

My fave at the time, and I even bought the LP, was Cleveland Eatons Bama Boogie Woogie (Similar to Brass Constructions - Movin).

Seven Seas - Fight the power was another 'tune'.

Come on you across the board DJs, give a couple a spin for old time sake.

Ed

Hello, is anyone able to put up a clip of seven seas ???

thanks in advance if anyone can do it.

  highlander said:

having said that i'd be there like a shot if someone organised something!!

Bryan Wakelin has a Mecca Weekender on this coming weekend MECCA WEEKENDER

Martyn

  djmelismo said:

I also have a thing for jazz-funk.... if I weren´t so lazy I could´ve made a very loooooooong list of jazz-funk tunes that I would love to hear played today.

Cheers,

Melismo

There were a couple of threads on Soulsource several months ago relating to Jazz/Funk tracks and playlists, with some great tracklistings and soundclips too. Several I hadn't heard before.

Tony Bowd, Colin Curtis & John Grant at Rafters, 1980.

"Has anybody seen Sir Nose?"

Edited August 17, 200816 yr by mel brat

  martyn pitt said:

Bryan Wakelin has a Mecca Weekender on this coming weekend MECCA WEEKENDER

Martyn

cheers martyn i am there this coming weekend . for me its the best gig of the year, it covers the whole mecca era ,northern to..........well whatever it was! last year was one night wasn't it this one is on all weekend!!!!