Souled Out The Film

[Guest Gavin Page]

Good morning Gavin.

A man with an open mind.

Good morning to you as well Ian

[Guest]

Says who ?????????????

Your not writing it then?

[Guest]

Like what?

Ian D

Well I can't remember off the top of my head, but I have often read stuff on here from you that made me throw things at the wall.

[Guest Beeks]

Loving your post Levine

But to be honest Pikeys not soul police so it was wrong to lump him in with the Osmonds

[Guest]

Well I can't remember off the top of my head, but I have often read stuff on here from you that made me throw things at the wall.

I like you .................... not a lot..................but

[sister dawn]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

No seriously, there are some people that might not know who you and its always polite to make an introduction.

Even this lady would have too

Edited August 22, 2008 by Sister Dawn

[Guest]

No seriously, there are some people that might not know who you and its always polite to make an introduction.

HIO ..... my name is Mossy and i have just ran out of methadone !

[Guest]

Your not writing it then?

Every time I read crud like this, I log onto my YouTube page, see my counter on my account page telling myself I have had three million hits, and I can confidently reassure myself that out of all the Soul Source members, those twenty or so who hate me, are way way way outnumbered by millions of people to whom I have actually brought some musical pleasure, people who appreciate me, and people whose lives have been brightened by being able to see their heroes perform and also enjoy NEW music that sounds like Northern Soul.

Here you are dear - a treat especially for you. You'll HATE it.

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[Guest]

But to be honest Pikeys not soul police so it was wrong to lump him in with the Osmonds

He's been so horribly offensive about me so many times in the past that his name rings in my ears.

A bit like a nest of hornets.

[sister dawn]

HIO ..... my name is Mossy and i have just ran out of methadone !

Go and rob the nearest chemist then hun and remember the condoms for each of your fingers so ya dont leave prints

Edited August 22, 2008 by Sister Dawn

[Ian Dewhirst]

Well I can't remember off the top of my head, but I have often read stuff on here from you that made me throw things at the wall.

I'm usually deadly accurate Ian and actually very supportive of your more credible ventures dear - check the SWOLS thread for instance.

Don't be falling out with me mate - you've got enough on your hands haven't you?

Incidentaly, I'm gonna ring ya re a perfect venue for your next launch, so try not to piss me off too much LOL.....

Ian D

[Guest]

No seriously, there are some people that might not know who you and its always polite to make an introduction.

If they don't know who I am and they're on a Northern Soul forum, I rest my case.

[Guest]

Every time I read crud like this, I log onto my YouTube page, see my counter on my account page telling myself I have had three million hits, and I can confidently reassure myself that out of all the Soul Source members, those twent or so who hate me, are way way way outnumbered by millions of people to whom I have actually brought some musical pleasure, people who appreciate me, and people whose lives have been brightened by being able to see their heroes perform and also enjoy NEW music that sounds like Northern Soul.

Here you are dear - a treat especially for you. You'll HATE it.

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[Guest]

Incidentaly, I'm gonna ring ya re a perfect venue for your next launch, so try not to piss me off too much

You can handle it. I've known you for thirty seven years.

[Guest]

You can handle it. I've known you for thirty seven years.

thats 20 years older than i am !

[sister dawn]

If they don't know who I am and they're on a Northern Soul forum, I rest my case.

it was a long time ago dear, some who maybe were not born may not have been privy, and of course there are those whose senility might need a jog or two.

[Guest Beeks]

He's been so horribly offensive about me so many times in the past that his name rings in my ears.

A bit like a nest of hornets.

I'm sure he's not the first or the last for that matter to be detrimental towards you mate...if you're at the forefront of making changes in this scene it's not hard to figure out you're gonna take a whole lot of sh!t for doing so

[Guest]

it was a long time ago dear, some who maybe were not born may not have been privy, and of course there are those whose senility might need a jog or two.

God.............was this before Freddie Houstons 45s got popuar ?

[Ian Dewhirst]

You can handle it. I've known you for thirty seven years.

Well now you put it that way........

As I've always said no one can fault your commitment, belief and passion for Soul Music even if you can be an arrogant bombastic twat occasionally LOL....

Good to have you back on here. Always guaranteed to blow away the cobwebs!

Ian D

[Guest]

Well now you put it that way........

As I've always said no one can fault your commitment, belief and passion for Soul Music even if you can be an arrogant bombastic twat occasionally LOL....

Good to have you back on here. Always guaranteed to blow away the cobwebs!

Ian D

A long as this friggin film is a cracker ?

[Davetay]

A film is being set in an era of Wigan in 1974.

You are dictating what the music should be.

The biggest 1974 record in Wigan was The Javells "Goodbye Nothing To Say". I went every week. I know. I was there. Colin Curtis did the last two hours at the Mecca every week so that les Cokell and I could go to Wigan.

Yes Ian Javells(Nosmo King) was a big record in 74, but you there every week, i think not.

After you did your D J set about Nov 73 at the Casino(Ten miles high etc played 1st time at Wigan).

You very seldom was there, Les Cokell still went alot.

Your adds in Blues & Soul for the Mecca showed what you thought of Wigan.

I,m not a Wigan fan trying to put you down, cause i,ve said on here lots of time the Mecca was light years ahead of the Casino.

By the way i still see Colin at least once a mouth.

Dave.

[Ian Dewhirst]

A long as this friggin film is a cracker ?

It'll stand or fall on it's own merits Mossy. I'm a film buff and hard to please anyway, so if it is any good it'll be a nice surprise......

Ian D

[SteveM]

I'm sure he's not the first or the last for that matter to be detrimental towards you mate...if you're at the forefront of making changes in this scene it's not hard to figure out you're gonna take a whole lot of sh!t for doing so

Mmm. Are the pieces of the jigsaw finally starting to fit together ?

Edited August 22, 2008 by SteveM

[sister dawn]

God.............was this before Freddie Houstons 45s got popuar ?

Now Mossy what have I told you? You don't have to call me god anymore Dawn will be fine.

[Hitsville Chalky]

I have sat by and watched this fiasco for long enough.

It's like a parent whose children have degenerated into schoolyard bullies.

The last time I was a member of Soul Source was in December 2000, on the original Soul Source Talk, from which I was banned.

After nearly eight years, I have asked Mike Hughes to let me post on here, because as one of the pioneers of your "scene" it makes me sick to my stomach how a few fascists have become what are basically internet trolls and tarred all the others with the same brush.

Back on the Mary Fox show, I was unfair to many Soul Source members. Most are kind and caring people who love their music.

It's those few I see - Tomangoes, Pikey's Dog, Steve Guarnori, Mark Bicknell, Jumping Joan, Black And White, etc etc etc, who are so possessive of their unique scene of rare records and soul collectors, that they deny the music any chance to exist in another thirty years.

I have spent a lifetime fighting this sort of anarchy, and believe me it has taken a lot to make me come on here and post.

Some of you on this thread should be ashamed of yourselves.

A film is being set in an era of Wigan in 1974.

You are dictating what the music should be.

The biggest 1974 record in Wigan was The Javells "Goodbye Nothing To Say". I went every week. I know. I was there. Colin Curtis did the last two hours at the Mecca every week so that les Cokell and I could go to Wigan.

No-one is expecting to have The Javells in the film, but this dictatorial insistence on only purist original sounds is bordering on the fascist ideals of 1930s germany.

Dave Godin would turn in his grave.

I am ashamed of some of you.

And now I am here to not let you get away with your closed minded strangulation of a beautiful music form. You won't be happy till you're all seventy and dancing in your zimmer frames to Arthur Willis and The Soulful Dynamics.

I have had THREE MILLION views of my videos on YouTube.

THREE MILLION.

Much as you will all hate to admit it, people who loved Northern Soul still love "Out On The Floor", "I'm On My Way", and "Do I Love You".

Who are you to say they shouldn't ????

It's the tiny tiny few ruining it for all the rest.

Outside of the tiny purist clubs with Soul Sam and Mark Bicknell, the rest of the Northern Soul Scene, you know - the bigger wider picture - made Sidney Barnes "Standing On Solid Ground" into the absolute biggest floorfiller of the last few years. But you won't even accept that fact. Because it wasn't made in 1969 and only one hundred copies pressed and Soul Sam paid a thousand quid for it.

It's just hypocrisy.

Your treatment of this film is hypocrisy.

There are two films being made using a backdrop of Northern Soul. It's the best thing that could happen to the music. It might bring in a huge influx of people and damage your little rare club forever, and let music breathe again and be made anew. Lets hear songs with a Motown beat and a great melody again.

I live for it and I pray for it.

WELCOME BACK IAN LEVINE

[Guest]

A long as this friggin film is a cracker ?

The film has nothing to do with me and if Keb Darge is involved, clearly never will.

But yet I still defend its right to make Northern Soul popular again. It's what I've strived for all my life - breaking free from the purists and given a crowd who can appreciate it.

That's why the Sidney Barnes record was such an eye opener. They ignored it at first. Did you know Andy Dyson was there in the studio when I wrote it ??? Soul Sam and Bicknell will just NEVER get the point of it, so I've given up caring. His last page in Manifesto displayed a musical ignorance that made me literally cry laughing.

[Dave]

I have sat by and watched this fiasco for long enough.

It's like a parent whose children have degenerated into schoolyard bullies.

The last time I was a member of Soul Source was in December 2000, on the original Soul Source Talk, from which I was banned.

After nearly eight years, I have asked Mike Hughes to let me post on here, because as one of the pioneers of your "scene" it makes me sick to my stomach how a few fascists have become what are basically internet trolls and tarred all the others with the same brush.

Back on the Mary Fox show, I was unfair to many Soul Source members. Most are kind and caring people who love their music.

It's those few I see - Tomangoes, Pikey's Dog, Steve Guarnori, Mark Bicknell, Jumping Joan, Black And White, etc etc etc, who are so possessive of their unique scene of rare records and soul collectors, that they deny the music any chance to exist in another thirty years.

I have spent a lifetime fighting this sort of anarchy, and believe me it has taken a lot to make me come on here and post.

Some of you on this thread should be ashamed of yourselves.

A film is being set in an era of Wigan in 1974.

You are dictating what the music should be.

The biggest 1974 record in Wigan was The Javells "Goodbye Nothing To Say". I went every week. I know. I was there. Colin Curtis did the last two hours at the Mecca every week so that les Cokell and I could go to Wigan.

No-one is expecting to have The Javells in the film, but this dictatorial insistence on only purist original sounds is bordering on the fascist ideals of 1930s germany.

Dave Godin would turn in his grave.

I am ashamed of some of you.

And now I am here to not let you get away with your closed minded strangulation of a beautiful music form. You won't be happy till you're all seventy and dancing in your zimmer frames to Arthur Willis and The Soulful Dynamics.

I have had THREE MILLION views of my videos on YouTube.

THREE MILLION.

Much as you will all hate to admit it, people who loved Northern Soul still love "Out On The Floor", "I'm On My Way", and "Do I Love You".

Who are you to say they shouldn't ????

It's the tiny tiny few ruining it for all the rest.

Outside of the tiny purist clubs with Soul Sam and Mark Bicknell, the rest of the Northern Soul Scene, you know - the bigger wider picture - made Sidney Barnes "Standing On Solid Ground" into the absolute biggest floorfiller of the last few years. But you won't even accept that fact. Because it wasn't made in 1969 and only one hundred copies pressed and Soul Sam paid a thousand quid for it.

It's just hypocrisy.

Your treatment of this film is hypocrisy.

There are two films being made using a backdrop of Northern Soul. It's the best thing that could happen to the music. It might bring in a huge influx of people and damage your little rare club forever, and let music breathe again and be made anew. Lets hear songs with a Motown beat and a great melody again.

I live for it and I pray for it.

I tend to agree with a deal of what you say re treatment of this film on here, but I must state a couple of reservations:

Firstly Pikey's Dog hasn't, as far as I've seen, been judgemental of the film in a negative way. Others in your list, yes.. but you must realise that some of them are untouchable, and your criticism of them by name can only result in censorship and likely closure of this thread. And what's with the fascism remarks? It's not a Marxist/Leninist commune, you know.. well, apart from freebasing sometimes.

Secondly, what is your point about your youtube hits? Are they linked to the film?

Oh, also why is it necessary to camp it up so much in your subsequent posts? You are only living up to your oft-portrayed SS charicature.. plus it might lead to Simon White showing up.

[Guest]

Yes Ian Javells(Nosmo King) was a big record in 74, but you there every week, i think not.

After you did your D J set about Nov 73 at the Casino(Ten miles high etc played 1st time at Wigan).

You very seldom was there, Les Cokell still went alot.

Your adds in Blues & Soul for the Mecca showed what you thought of Wigan.

I,m not a Wigan fan trying to put you down, cause i,ve said on here lots of time the Mecca was light years ahead of the Casino.

By the way i still see Colin at least once a mouth.

Dave.

You got all your facts wrong.

I went every week from September 1973 till mid 1976.

THEN we all fell out, initially over Russ banning Richard from playing Barbara Pennington. Up till that point we had all been friends. Russ offered me a monthly guest spot but Bill Pye, area manager of the Mecca, said if I did one more spot there, then I was fired from the Mecca, and I loved the Mecca too much to risk losing it.

[Guest Beeks]

Mmm. Are the pieces of the jigsaw finally starting to fit together ?

It's a conspiracy Steve

[SteveM]

It's a conspiracy Steve

Now you're getting the hang of SS Beeks. Try freebasing a bit more.

Back to the Ian Levine Show.............................................

[Guest]

The film has nothing to do with me and if Keb Darge is involved, clearly never will.

But yet I still defend its right to make Northern Soul popular again. It's what I've strived for all my life - breaking free from the purists and given a crowd who can appreciate it.

That's why the Sidney Barnes record was such an eye opener. They ignored it at first. Did you know Andy Dyson was there in the studio when I wrote it ??? Soul Sam and Bicknell will just NEVER get the point of it, so I've given up caring. His last page in Manifesto displayed a musical ignorance that made me literally cry laughing.

That 45 was ok IMO - But your production with authentic things like Linda Griners "Goodbye cruel love" and "The Charades" in the early 90s was really dissapointing for me ! (I could go on !)

[Guest andyrattigan]

I reckon we could hit twenty pages on this by tomorrow.

[Russ Vickers]

I think the film production team are now aware of you Ian, they are obviously not the only people who use SS for self promotion . Welcome back.

Russ

Edited August 22, 2008 by Russ Vickers

[sister dawn]

It'll stand or fall on it's own merits Mossy. I'm a film buff and hard to please anyway, so if it is any good it'll be a nice surprise......

Ian D

Blue Juice Ian now that was a crackin little film,with the gorgeous Sean Pertwee and Catherine Zeta Jones,Predominately a surfing movie, touched on the northern and the rave scenes briefly, both done very nicely IMO, especially the bit about the northern, where the character Josh Tambini (record producer) got slated for mixing the classics up as dodgy remixes especially the Ozzie sands track performed by the late great Edwin Starr playing Ozzie. When they locked Josh up in the northern nite in the local village til he got it into his head that the originals were indeed the best.

[Guest]

I think the film production team are now aware of you Ian, they are obviously not the only people who use SS for self promotion . Welcome back.

Russ

And welcome back me ! the computers in Ibiza look the same as the UK ones but they sound a bit strange ?

[Guest]

I reckon we could hit twenty pages on this by tomorrow.

Yep your right.

[Wiganer1]

Yep your right.

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yes cant wait until tomorrow!!!!

nitey nite!

[Davetay]

You got all your facts wrong.

I went every week from September 1973 till mid 1976.

THEN we all fell out, initially over Russ banning Richard from playing Barbara Pennington. Up till that point we had all been friends. Russ offered me a monthly guest spot but Bill Pye, area manager of the Mecca, said if I did one more spot there, then I was fired from the Mecca, and I loved the Mecca too much to risk losing it.

I know about the job, losing the Mecca etc, i still don,t think you went every week.

I used to see you at Welcome inn, Sale Mecca, Socelys Blackpool (spelling ?) Darwin Tiffs during the week around that time.

I had stopped going to Wigan Sept 75, didn,t go back till 78.

P.S. I still love B. Pennington, E. Thomas and L. J. Johnson

[Guest kebdarge]

im new here but i think this is probably the greatest thread iv ever read in my life {and best forum},i can hardly wait to get out of bed in the morning to read it, frankly. The "production team "? came here advertising for extras and when we had the gall to discuss there production , admitedly sometimes in a sarcastic and suspicious manner ,the director came in with his statement of 'facts"and accused us of "outrageous" behaviour. Keb Darge,similarly came left a statement and went ,wich i found to be a shame as i thought i tried to ask him a question i thought was pertinant the film and kebs skills as a dancer .we dont want to slag them off , we want to talk to them but they dont stick around long enough for anyone to be able to do that

Sorry I missed your question to me, perhaps I should have cancelled my trip to the far east to wait for it.

I have just returned to the uk now, so please ask again.

Also the film crew have started filming under a tight schedule. I would tell them to stop until you have finished moaning, but I feel you might never stop.

Taking the piss for fun is ok by me, but I do worry why you and some others have such a chip on your shoulder ?

[Guest]

Sorry I missed your question to me, perhaps I should have cancelled my trip to the far east to wait for it.

I have just returned to the uk now, so please ask again.

Also the film crew have started filming under a tight schedule. I would tell them to stop until you have finished moaning, but I feel you might never stop.

Taking the piss for fun is ok by me, but I do worry why you and some others have such a chip on your shoulder ?

Close this thread now ................ !

Sensible people on board !

Actually Keb, The last time I saw you play was at the Lesiure Lounge with Smithers in the early 90s - Fucking awsome 45s !

I was in the next room with 20 doves in my head !

You told me all these ace funk 45s were on the flips of the Soul 45s !!!!!

(and I believed you)

Edited August 22, 2008 by mossy

[Wiganer1]

Close this thread now ................ !

Sensible people on board !

=============

OR GET IT BACK TO THE POINT

WIGAN OUT TAKES PT 3 (FROM U TUBE)

CHECK OUT THE STOMPERS FROM 8.08 - 9.30 THE GUY IN THE WHITE TROUSERS - PHENOMINAL!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GQ-bqU_9y4

REGARDS

FLUFF

PROUD TO BE WIGANER1!!!

[sister dawn]

Close this thread now ................ !

Sensible people on board !

You can't close it now Mossy, just cos your chilled with a fat one in stonking heat in fun central ...

Can I come and film ya we could call it 'Mossy goes Large' .

[Guest]

Close this thread now ................ !

Sensible people on board !

Dont close it, ive just made a brew and a butty,

Could be the best allnighter i've been to in years

Come on then round two

[Guest]

Dont close it, ive just made a brew and a butty,

Could be the best allnighter i've been to in years

Come on then round two

what type of butty ?

[jocko]

Loving your post Levine

But to be honest Pikeys not soul police so it was wrong to lump him in with the Osmonds

Do you actually know who Ian Levine is or are you bluffing yet again, you are hilarious.

Edited August 22, 2008 by jocko

[sister dawn]

=============

OR GET IT BACK TO THE POINT

WIGAN OUT TAKES PT 3 (FROM U TUBE)

CHECK OUT THE STOMPERS FROM 8.08 - 9.30 THE GUY IN THE WHITE TROUSERS - PHENOMINAL!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GQ-bqU_9y4

REGARDS

FLUFF

PROUD TO BE WIGANER1!!!

Ere Fluff

what cha still doing up still isnt it later today you're on or is it saturday.

[Guest]

I know about the job, losing the Mecca etc, i still don,t think you went every week.

I used to see you at Welcome inn, Sale Mecca, Socelys Blackpool (spelling ?) Darwin Tiffs during the week around that time.

I had stopped going to Wigan Sept 75, didn,t go back till 78.

P.S. I still love B. Pennington, E. Thomas and L. J. Johnson

i was born in 1975

I still love NS - I Still love Funk - I Still love House - I still love Ska

I still love it !

Just make sure this film is bloody brilliant and authentic !!!!!

Edited August 22, 2008 by mossy

[sister dawn]

Do you actually know who Ian Levine is or are you bluffing yet again, you are hilarious.

Now you see if Ian Levine had introduced himself in the new members section when I politely asked, there wouldn't have been a need for a post like this

[Guest]

what type of butty ?

Ham and raspeberry jam emmm (honest)

[Barry]

WELCOME BACK IAN LEVINE

Why?

Where did he go?

Off the NS radar maybe?