Souled Out The Film

[Guest Nik Mak]

Im sure the Delites was much later...........78/79........Pete ????.

Russ

You might be right Russ but a local lad (Neil Donkin) down here had a copy @ 74 because all he ever brought was big Casino tunes/Cover ups. But like I said the years roll by & the mind wanders..................

[Guest Nik Mak]

I just got back, I left early cos that's exactly what happened...................NOTHING!!!

Went over yesterday already and spent 4 and half hours watching the same 30 seconds being shot over and over (without being used as an extra)! Went back today and watched the same 30 seconds again...........................and still no "extras dancing" action, just standing around watching or standing around in a crowd scene...............but no dancing whatsoever and no music, so was bored out my mind most of the time. The only good bit was watching the authentic old timers doing their moves at the back and wishing I was at a proper allniter/soulnite. Wont be going to the 'recall' tomorrow.

Oh well, one lives and learns..........

Perdita

Sorry Perdia but I said that would happen way back in this thread. When your doing dialogue you can't have music playing just doesn't work. Just wait until the extras have to Dance with NO music for hours on end. This thread will be on fire!

Edited August 28, 2008 by Nik Mak

[Pete S]

Im sure the Delites was much later...........78/79........Pete ????.

Russ

You're right Russ, Delites first play was in early 79

[Guest Nik Mak]

You're right Russ, Delites first play was in early 79

Stand corrected! What about Bernie Williams? or did the drugs actually work!

[Pete S]

Stand corrected! What about Bernie Williams? or did the drugs actually work!

I've actually got the first ever spin of Bernie Williams on tape, Richard plays it and predicts it'll go massive, I think it's early 75 but it didn't take off massively til 76 - as far as I can remember

[Guest Nik Mak]

I've actually got the first ever spin of Bernie Williams on tape, Richard plays it and predicts it'll go massive, I think it's early 75 but it didn't take off massively til 76 - as far as I can remember

I've got me coat & the taxi is on it's way........ Still don't remember hearing Gloria Jones or Dobie Grey, so there!!!!

[SteveM]

I've actually got the first ever spin of Bernie Williams on tape, Richard plays it and predicts it'll go massive, I think it's early 75 but it didn't take off massively til 76 - as far as I can remember

Sam played the Gene Woodbury version. Was that 76 ?

[Pete S]

Sam played the Gene Woodbury version. Was that 76 ?

No the Gene Woodberry version didn't appear til 77, not unless Sam was playing it way before Richard, and I did hear Sam now and again at places like Newcastle Tiffs and I never heard him play it. Richard played it covered up as William Lucas.

[Guest kerby]

I just got back, I left early cos that's exactly what happened...................NOTHING!!!

Went over yesterday already and spent 4 and half hours watching the same 30 seconds being shot over and over (without being used as an extra)! Went back today and watched the same 30 seconds again...........................and still no "extras dancing" action, just standing around watching or standing around in a crowd scene...............but no dancing whatsoever and no music, so was bored out my mind most of the time. The only good bit was watching the authentic old timers doing their moves at the back and wishing I was at a proper allniter/soulnite. Wont be going to the 'recall' tomorrow.

Oh well, one lives and learns..........

Perdita

told ya

Edited August 28, 2008 by martx

[Jumpinjoan]

i would,nt get to excited my daughter has been there for 2 weeks & nothins happened yet

What?

2 weeks? You are kidding me?

Was sure JB said that she wasn't going back again after the paracetamol all over the floor day?

[macca]

You're right Russ, Delites first play was in early 79

I would respectfully dispute that Pedro. I remember it clearly from St.Ives thru 1977.

[Guest kerby]

What?

2 weeks? You are kidding me?

Was sure JB said that she wasn't going back again after the paracetamol all over the floor day?

dan did,nt go back but gem did , don,t ask us why ...... she ain,t been today

[Pete S]

I would respectfully dispute that Pedro. I remember it clearly from St.Ives thru 1977.

Absolutely no way was it played in 77...I'd bet my tea on it

[Guest kerby]

Absolutely no way was it played in 77...I'd bet my tea on it

what you got for tea pete .

[macca]

I must be suffering from dementia then,

but I swear I remember the delites AND

gene woodbury in Sam's hands at st.ives

that year. definitely 1977. it's also a record

I associate with him for some reason.

[Pete S]

what you got for tea pete .

lamb hot pot - it was sh*t

[Pete S]

I must be suffering from dementia then,

but I swear I remember the delites AND

gene woodbury in Sam's hands at st.ives

that year. definitely 1977. it's also a record

I associate with him for some reason.

OK well put it this way - if St Ives had it, Wigan would have eventually got it, however long it took - and I went every week in 1978 until september and to the best of my knowledge it was never played, I first heard it played by Sam at the lafayette in wolverhampton after march 79...

[SteveM]

OK well put it this way - if St Ives had it, Wigan would have eventually got it, however long it took - and I went every week in 1978 until september and to the best of my knowledge it was never played, I first heard it played by Sam at the lafayette in wolverhampton after march 79...

Pete, is it listed in Richards playlist in (I think) the first issue of Northern Noise ? When would that be ? Assuming you can put your hands on your copy.

[macca]

Naah, I trust your memory more than mine. I attended very few all-nighters in 1979, due to teenage love & its pitfalls.

my 1978 experience boils down to the odd visit to the Casino & Peterborough's Fleet All-Nighters. I associate that venue not with The Delites, but with a lot of crud (to my ears) like Teddy Vann, Phil Coulter, Holly St.James, Barry St John, Helen Shapiro, Peggy March etc, etc; Pity's there's not any play lists out there to settle the matter.

[Pete S]

Pete, is it listed in Richards playlist in (I think) the first issue of Northern Noise ? When would that be ? Assuming you can put your hands on your copy.

I think that was 79 Steve.

(can now confirm that it was 79)

Edited August 28, 2008 by Pete S

[Casper]

I just got back, I left early cos that's exactly what happened...................NOTHING!!!

Went over yesterday already and spent 4 and half hours watching the same 30 seconds being shot over and over (without being used as an extra)! Went back today and watched the same 30 seconds again...........................and still no "extras dancing" action, just standing around watching or standing around in a crowd scene...............but no dancing whatsoever and no music, so was bored out my mind most of the time. The only good bit was watching the authentic old timers doing their moves at the back and wishing I was at a proper allniter/soulnite. Wont be going to the 'recall' tomorrow.

Oh well, one lives and learns..........

Perdita

well we just got back too.... what a change from the "buzz" on saturday ?... still great to meet up with old and new friends, nice to talk to you Perdita, ....by heck it was so hot in there today !

as for standing around well we were told it may be so i guess ? but the quest to "get it right" is to be applauded for sure

we all had a good dance in the intervals ...

a good but frustrating day in many ways...

Pete n' susan xx ktf

[Professorturnups]

Pete, is it listed in Richards playlist in (I think) the first issue of Northern Noise ? When would that be ? Assuming you can put your hands on your copy.

Can't find said copy but here's Richards Top 10 from a 1980 copy - some are cover ups but who did they turn out to be? (Some I Know but not all)

1. You Taught Me How To Love - IVY 'JO' HUNTER

2. I've Got A Good Thing Going - ROBERT L. MARTIN

3. Your Love Pushed Me Over The Top - JAMES MACK/CHICAGO GANGSTERS

4. Heartaches & Pain - LEON WARE & GLORIA JONES

5. He's So Fine - JUDY STREET

6. Gotta Get Away For Good - RAY POLLARD & THE WANDERERS

7. Without A Doubt She Loves You - BALLADS

8. All I Need Is Half A Chance - CARLIS MUNRO

9. Where I'm Not Wanted - EDDIE HOLMAN

10. YOU've Got Me Hung Up On Your Love - OSCAR PERRY

Thanks for your help

Mark C

[Jumpinjoan]

Noticed the starter of this thread was looking earlier on - so was sort of looking forward to reading what they had to say.

Why am I not surprised to find they've said a big fat nothing!

[Jumpinjoan]

Then again... there is rather a lot to get through since their last visit

[Wiganer1]

Can't find said copy but here's Richards Top 10 from a 1980 copy - some are cover ups but who did they turn out to be? (Some I Know but not all)

1. You Taught Me How To Love - IVY 'JO' HUNTER - TOMMY TATE

2. I've Got A Good Thing Going - ROBERT L. MARTIN - EXECUTIVE FOUR

3. Your Love Pushed Me Over The Top - JAMES MACK/CHICAGO GANGSTERS - ROY DAWSON

4. Heartaches & Pain - LEON WARE & GLORIA JONES - PAGES

5. He's So Fine - JUDY STREET - JUDY HUGHES

6. Gotta Get Away For Good - RAY POLLARD & THE WANDERERS - IMAGINATIONS

7. Without A Doubt She Loves You - BALLADS - LOVERS

8. All I Need Is Half A Chance - CARLIS MUNRO - ROSEY JONES

9. Where I'm Not Wanted - EDDIE HOLMAN

10. YOU've Got Me Hung Up On Your Love - OSCAR PERRY - KING TUTT

Thanks for your help

Mark C

==

UPDATES IN RED

[Steve G]

r.e. Saturday Night Fever

I saw an article ages ago about it, cant seem to find it now but will keep searching

Wendy it was a piece of Russ Winstanley rubbish - he said the film Saturday Night Fever was based on Wigan - in his book I think.

But NEVER believe anything those hasbeen 70s big name DJs tell you.

On a more serious note glad the filming seems to be going well and those involved are having a good time.

Dobie Gray not out of place - classic northern in the 70s. It was one of the first northern soul records I heard and bought.

Edited August 28, 2008 by Steve G

[Guest Rich]

Absolutely no way was it played in 77...I'd bet my tea on it

my memories a bit shit datewise Pete, but I did try to buy 'Lover' with one of my first pay packets after passing out of Cosford in early 77 - a Soul Bowl list. So I'd hazard a guess it was being played somewhere - up until then, Cleethorpes, St Ives and nights in the North Mids were my haunts.

Bizarre thing is, I remember what i bought when I failed on the Delites...

JJ's Humdinger on a WD

Mikki Farrow Set my heart at ease - label was a bit scabby but still treasure it

The Major's Investigate PS

Thing is, I can't remember last Thurs night at all...

[Paul-s]

I just got back, I left early cos that's exactly what happened...................NOTHING!!!

Went over yesterday already and spent 4 and half hours watching the same 30 seconds being shot over and over (without being used as an extra)! Went back today and watched the same 30 seconds again...........................and still no "extras dancing" action, just standing around watching or standing around in a crowd scene...............but no dancing whatsoever and no music, so was bored out my mind most of the time. The only good bit was watching the authentic old timers doing their moves at the back and wishing I was at a proper allniter/soulnite. Wont be going to the 'recall' tomorrow.

Oh well, one lives and learns..........

Perdita

Wow, the reality is finally sinking in...they dont care about YOU...just USING you..

[Guest JJMMWGDuPree]

Wow, the reality is finally sinking in...they dont care about YOU...just USING you..

They're making a film, not running a nightclub. If they're paying you for it then you put up with it, if they're not then you're free to walk any time that you like.

[Ian Dewhirst]

I've actually got the first ever spin of Bernie Williams on tape, Richard plays it and predicts it'll go massive, I think it's early 75 but it didn't take off massively til 76 - as far as I can remember

I think Colin used to play it before then Pete. It used to be a 'last hour @ the Mecca' fave and I'm pretty sure Colin had the first copy 'cos I was tracking it for a long time.....

Ian D

[Paul Shirley]

I THORT NO MATER WHO YOU ARE ON A FILM SET THATS WHAT YOU DO YOU SIT AROUND ALL DAY AND WAIT ?? . ANIWAY I LIKE MANY OTHERS ON HERE SPENT SOME OF THE BEST YEARS OF MY LIFE UP THE CASINO WHEN I WAS A YOUNG MAN FROM 74 TO 76 AND MANY MANY TIMES AFTER. IF SOME BODY WANTS TO MAKE A FILM ABOUT IT GOOD LUCK TO THEM AM REALY PLEASED SOME BODY HAS EVEN BOTHERD TO DO IT . AM ALSO GETING A LITTLE FED UP WITH THE NEGATIVE BITCHING . I WOULD THINK IT FAIR TO SAY THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT USED TO GO TO THE CASINO BACK IN 74 DONT COME ON TO SOUL SOURCE AND THERFORE CANOT GIVE THERE OPINION BUT AM SURE THEY WOULD BE OVER THE MOON THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE MAKING A FILLM ABOUT THAT TIME IN THERE YOUNG LIVES WEATHER ITS SPOT ON OR NOT' THE OTHER THING IS THIS TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE COMPLAINING "WAS YOU EVEN THERE IN 74" COZ AM NOT SO SURE ?? AS REGARDING THE DANCING DO ME A FAVOUR YOU COULDENT SWING A CAT ROUND MOST OF THE TIME AND IF YOU RIMEMBER LIKE I DO THE SO CALLED TOP DANCERS ALL DANCED IN FRONT OF THE STAGE . SO ITS NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FILMING AS THERE WASANT THAT MUTCH ROOM HALF THE TIME FOR ALL OF THEM SHOWING OFF AT THE SAME TIME . ALSO THERE WAS SOME TERIBLE DANCERS BACK THEN AND SOME EVEN WORSE NOW .SO LETS GET IT RIGHT IT WASANT 1000 SUPER DUPER DANCERS EVERY WEEK . YEAH WE ALL KNOW SINCE THEN LOADS OF SUPER DUPER DANCERS HAVE EVOLVED BUT BACK IN 74 THEY SURE AS HELL DIDANT FILL THE PLACE I CAN COUNT ON MY HANDS THE ONE'S IN FRONT OF THE STAGE . ALSO IF THE FILM IS GOING TO BE TRUE THERE WAS OVER 2000 KIDS IN THE CASINO BACK IN 74 ALL PACKED LIKE SARDINES ON THAT DANCE FLOOR I WAS LUCKY TO SHUFLE ME FEET NEVER MIND ANTHING MORE , AS OTHERS HAVE MENTIOND IF THE FILM IS GOOD AND TRUE TO LIFE I WILL SAY SO 'IF IT AINT YOU CAN SAY IT AINT. GOOD LUCK WITH THE FILM

[Casper]

Wow, the reality is finally sinking in...they dont care about YOU...just USING you..

of course they are using us...thats why we went....not for pay...just to be there and take part ....and do you know what? we had a great time doing it,

they came round so many times trying to keep us informed as to what was happening, they appologised so many times for running late etc....

pay does not come into the equation, it's the experience and meeting so many like minded people who just want to have fun and do something worthwhile, chatting to so many fellow casino members and soulies from far and wide.... sure it's not easy waiting to get up and do something, it's hot, dry and tiring......but to be honest never boring , just interesting as to how much these people care about getting the scenes as accurate as possible, this takes time....i do not think anyone who attended would be so dim as not to realise that running behind with the shooting was a possibility..

too many people are so negative on here .... paul, sadly you for one...these people are trying so bloody hard with this film...and on a budget too...the film crew and actors are so friendly and fun...we wish them luck with the film, we really really do....

Pete n' Susan....xx....

Edited August 29, 2008 by casper

[Jellybean]

They're making a film, not running a nightclub. If they're paying you for it then you put up with it, if they're not then you're free to walk any time that you like.

They aren't being paid to do it, but were promised that expenses would be paid for, and after 2 weeks of travelling back & forth almost everyday, my daughter as had NOTHING!!

[Guest gordon russell]

As with all things to do with the soul scene .......they will get this spectacularly WRONG.The reason being is they always consult the wrong people about what went on,make up some social history rubbish about why working class people were there and always have music people who,wern't there and know nowt.Why do we always have to have the imput of semi-famous people who might of gone once or in most cases not at all.......anyway a film about the TORCH would be better....atb tezza

[Jumpinjoan]

of course they are using us...thats why we went....not for pay...just to be there and take part ....and do you know what? we had a great time doing it,

they came round so many times trying to keep us informed as to what was happening, they appologised so many times for running late etc....

pay does not come into the equation, it's the experience and meeting so many like minded people who just want to have fun and do something worthwhile, chatting to so many fellow casino members and soulies from far and wide.... sure it's not easy waiting to get up and do something, it's hot, dry and tiring......but to be honest never boring , just interesting as to how much these people care about getting the scenes as accurate as possible, this takes time....i do not think anyone who attended would be so dim as not to realise that running behind with the shooting was a possibility..

too many people are so negative on here .... paul, sadly you for one...these people are trying so bloody hard with this film...and on a budget too...the film crew and actors are so friendly and fun...we wish them luck with the film, we really really do....

Pete n' Susan....xx....

That's as may be... but it's still not good is it really.

Did you get your expenses?

[Jumpinjoan]

They aren't being paid to do it, but were promised that expenses would be paid for, and after 2 weeks of travelling back & forth almost everyday, my daughter as had NOTHING!!

What did they say when she asked about her expenses JB?

[Perdita]

well we just got back too.... what a change from the "buzz" on saturday ?... still great to meet up with old and new friends, nice to talk to you Perdita, ....by heck it was so hot in there today !

as for standing around well we were told it may be so i guess ? but the quest to "get it right" is to be applauded for sure

we all had a good dance in the intervals ...

a good but frustrating day in many ways...

Pete n' susan xx ktf

Was lovely meeting you both, watching you dance was the best bit of the day.............

I wish the film well too..............it was a new experience being on a film set, so that was good.

All the best

Perdita

[Pete S]

I think Colin used to play it before then Pete. It used to be a 'last hour @ the Mecca' fave and I'm pretty sure Colin had the first copy 'cos I was tracking it for a long time.....

Ian D

Probably Ian, I was just referring to Wigan though in this case

[Jellybean]

What did they say when she asked about her expenses JB?

Well when asked about it, they said that they weren't sure that you do get paid for it and they would have to look in to it. Yet its stated on the website that although you do not get paid to be an extra in the film, you will get travel expenses paid for.

Edited August 29, 2008 by JELLYBEAN

[macca]

Film making is a long, drawn out, boring process.

Anybody that's seen a 'the making of' programme knows that.

I'd like to think they'll get their cash in the end, especially if it's a small, right on, independent film company, which it appears to be.

At the end of the day there are those who are going to more or less enjoy the end product and those who are going to reject it for all the reasons we've been debating.

Andy, don't feel too traumatised about the flat cap ban mate.

The wardrobe chap was right about the beret though, plenty of those about, but later on, with badges sewn onto them. Riding the gauntlet of Betty taunts in town centres at chucking out time was an integral part of being an all-nighter goer. :-)

M

[Jumpinjoan]

too many people are so negative on here .... paul, sadly you for one...these people are trying so bloody hard with this film...and on a budget too...

Are you for real?

"These people are trying so bloody hard... and on a budget..."

I'd like to bet the people who turned up are trying hard too... and you can be sure the majority of them are on a tighter bloody budget than this film company.

Ipsofacto should at least honour their promises and pay these people their expenses.

Jeez, you can't be thinking I'm out of order saying that surely?

[Guest kebdarge]

As with all things to do with the soul scene .......they will get this spectacularly WRONG.The reason being is they always consult the wrong people about what went on,make up some social history rubbish about why working class people were there and always have music people who,wern't there and know nowt.Why do we always have to have the imput of semi-famous people who might of gone once or in most cases not at all.......anyway a film about the TORCH would be better....atb tezza

Mmmmmmmmmm.... I may have my memory mixed up, but I'm sure I went more than once.

[Guest Nik Mak]

Mmmmmmmmmm.... I may have my memory mixed up, but I'm sure I went more than once.

Hey Keb how about giving us an idea of some of the tunes that are going to be in the film. Would put a lot of people out of their misery! I think the posts would become far more positive if we had a taste of the sound track.

regards

[Guest kebdarge]

Hey Keb how about giving us an idea of some of the tunes that are going to be in the film. Would put a lot of people out of their misery! I think the posts would become far more positive if we had a taste of the sound track.

regards

f*** em !!!! some of them sound like they enjoy being miserable.

Or......... as I said before they cannot confirm tunes until the liscence is sorted, it is against the law.

We got Lou Pride already, so I can confirm that. Ady is sorting out some mirwood and other stuff for us.

Guy is sorting out Popcorn Wylie stuff, and the Scullsnaps should be easy as it just got re-issued.

Somehow I still think the "look at me, I really care about the scene" brigade will still not be happy though.

[macca]

Well said that man!!

[Haydn]

f*** em !!!! some of them sound like they enjoy being miserable.

Or......... as I said before they cannot confirm tunes until the liscence is sorted, it is against the law.

We got Lou Pride already, so I can confirm that. Ady is sorting out some mirwood and other stuff for us.

Guy is sorting out Popcorn Wylie stuff, and the Scullsnaps should be easy as it just got re-issued.

Somehow I still think the "look at me, I really care about the scene" brigade will still not be happy though.

PMSL

[Ian Seaman]

f*** em !!!! some of them sound like they enjoy being miserable.

Or......... as I said before they cannot confirm tunes until the liscence is sorted, it is against the law.

We got Lou Pride already, so I can confirm that. Ady is sorting out some mirwood and other stuff for us.

Guy is sorting out Popcorn Wylie stuff, and the Scullsnaps should be easy as it just got re-issued.

Somehow I still think the "look at me, I really care about the scene" brigade will still not be happy though.

It would take the 1979 disco dancing champ to keep this lot happy

I have never read so many negative posts !!! still it is the swons ( as Ian L would say in a bigger thread )

bring it on & lets see it 1st then start a thread on it to rip it to bits

Ian.

[Guest gordon russell]

Mmmmmmmmmm.... I may have my memory mixed up, but I'm sure I went more than once.

you don't think l mean't YOU did you......you ain't famous at all, or not that i'm aware of,do you think your famous,if so for what exactly?.....l mean't the likes of jazzy-b,paul weller ect ect.

[Guest gordon russell]

hope they will recreate all the dodgy low life stuff that went on,not just oh! so wonderful dance and acrobatics that never really happened anyway. atb tezza

[Guest kebdarge]

you don't think l mean't YOU did you......you ain't famous at all, or not that i'm aware of,do you think your famous,if so for what exactly?.....l mean't the likes of jazzy-b,paul weller ect ect.

No... I meant I'm one of those giving advice............