Film: Souled Out

[Stevie]

2 non casino records in that list

Beat me to it!

[TOAD]

wheres the 7ts and 8ts records too !!!!!!!!!

use dave shaws casino book if your short of ideas

[Guest nubes]

2 non casino records in that list

...Jeff W...i think you would be better getting advice from collectors from the scene to come up with authentic playlists from that period....I take my hat off to ya....to even attempt to portray a scene which provokes such passion in all of us.....Delxxxx

[TOAD]

theres live casino tapes in refsoul

[Jumpinjoan]

What I can do, though, is let you in on the song titles I specified for key moments in the script

Hmmm... song titles?

No mention in your post about these 'song titles' being performed by the original artists.

Any chance of a straight answer please?

Will the songs in the film be the original recordings by the original artists - YES or NO?

[Tabs]

So to recap.

The writer doesn't know his baggies from his flares.

The soundtrack will feature tracks from 'The Dap Kings, Sharon Jones, Amy Winehouse*, Mark Ronson*, Paul Weller and Duffy (*in discussions)'.

All well known artists in 1974.

The Casino sequences will include records not played at the Casino.

And we still don't know if the songs will be the original artists.

This is going to be a blockbuster.

If you want to make a 'period' movie at least try and make it accurate.

[TOAD]

If you want to make a 'period' movie at least try and make it accurate.

ANOTHER CASH IN IMO

A WASTE OF TIME TOO , NO THOUGHT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THIS AT ALL

[Guest Beeks]

Jesus Christ...will you all give it a rest!!

You know barely nothing about the film and you are already surmising this and that...give the guy a chance for gods sake...then if he makes a hash of it slag him off to your hearts content....

But why do I get the feeling no matter how authentic it might be you will still get the anally retentive having a pop

[TOAD]

WHY GIVE IT A REST ? ITS NOT AUTHENTIC

[Guest Beeks]

WHY GIVE IT A REST ? ITS NOT AUTHENTIC

How do you know...you know for sure there are no original artists?? You seen the script have you??

NO

So until its all cleared up its purely a bunch of housewives chatting over the fence

[Tabs]

What exactly have people surmised?

The reson why people won't give it a rest is because they are passionate and don't want to see history re written.

Jesus Christ...will you all give it a rest!!

You know barely nothing about the film and you are already surmising this and that...give the guy a chance for gods sake...then if he makes a hash of it slag him off to your hearts content....

But why do I get the feeling no matter how authentic it might be you will still get the anally retentive having a pop

[Ted Massey]

How do you know...you know for sure there are no original artists?? You seen the script have you??

NO

So until its all cleared up its purely a bunch of housewives chatting over the fence

[TOAD]

HE AINT EVEN GOT THE MUSIC CORRECT AS SEEN IN THE LIST, CARNT EVEN BE BOTHERED TO GET SUGGESTIONS OFF HERE

TABS HAS SUMMERISED IT PERFECTLY.

[Stevie]

Jesus Christ...will you all give it a rest!!

You know barely nothing about the film and you are already surmising this and that...give the guy a chance for gods sake...then if he makes a hash of it slag him off to your hearts content....

But why do I get the feeling no matter how authentic it might be you will still get the anally retentive having a pop

Would imagine there will be no difference in cost whether he gets it right or gets it wrong - so may as well get it right

[TOAD]

DID YOU GO THER NO SO YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOT VALID

[Kevinkent]

At the end of the day it's not intended to be a factual documentary. You can spot mistakes and flaws in just about any film you care to mention. It just happens that the subject matter here attracts the most knowledgeable and critical audience in the world!

I'm sure the intent is on authenticity but maybe we'll have to allow a bit of artistic licence here?

[Guest Beeks]

What I reckon...and this is purely me COMPLETELY GUESSING BECAUSE I DONT KNOW ANYTHING SOLID ABOUT THE FILM YET (Notice the capital letters)

Is that they will get Sharon Jones et al to play the live acts they had in Wigan...after all...the original artists will be a little old now to play themselves...just an idea...and not by any means based on FACT

[Guest Matt Male]

It's Kevin Costner's mullett in 'Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves' all over again or Rex Harrison's trilby in 'My Fair Lady'....

[Guest Beeks]

DID YOU GO THER NO SO YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOT VALID

I tell you what...we can make a film about Toads life...would be good up until 1981 where it stops completely

[TOAD]

HUH 30 YEARS NON STOP IVE BEEN GOING

[Guest Beeks]

HUH 30 YEARS NON STOP IVE BEEN GOING

Wind yer neck in Toady...im just playing

[Jumpinjoan]

HUH 30 YEARS NON STOP IVE BEEN GOING

30 days non stop Beeks has been going

[Guest Beeks]

30 days non stop Beeks has been going

Wahay!! It's my fave A-Lister

[Reg]

I can see why some of you are bothered about history being rewritten...but surely we can wait and see what happens first before going too mad? It may be a masterpiece, it may bomb..film makers will always use a certain amount of artistic license but I'm sure that the makers have consulted with some experts (didn't somebody mention Keb Darge..surely he's a good enough expert????)...

Do any of us know what the background to the film idea is? Maybe the producer went to Wigan or something?

However...and this is a small point....Im not sure about Barbara Lewis, Stars in a Wigan context? I love it but it doesn't shout Wigan to me

[Dave Rimmer]

I know how much getting the music right on the nose means to almost everyone out there, (all connected to the project too, believe me: it's the music's going to set the pace of so much of what happens onscreen), but like I said, licensing talks are still ongoing about a whole lot of stuff and that's a minefield / labyrinth I'm not planning on going anywhere near. What I can do, though, is let you in on the song titles I specified for key moments in the script to hopefully whet a few appetites as well as give you a little taster of where we'd like to be once the talks are finalised and the deals done. In all probability there's gonna be a few of these fall by the wayside to be replaced by others, and the action during the Casino sequences will have a non-stop playlist quite apart from the stuff below, but this is what I used as my starting point:

A THRILL A MOMENT, KIM WESTON; BREAKAWAY, STEVE KARMEN BAND; SHARE A LITTLE LOVE WITH ME, THE MONITORS; COUNTDOWN HERE I COME, THE TEMPOS; OUT ON THE FLOOR, DOBIE GRAY; THE STARS, BARBARA LEWIS; LOVE ME, LOVE ME (A LITTLE WHILE), KIM WESTON;

GIRL DON'T MAKE ME WAIT, BUNNY SIGLER; THE DRIFTER, RAY POLLARD; COMPETITION AIN'T NOTHING, CARL CARLTON; SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE (NEEDS YOU), DARRELL BANKS; SLICED TOMATOES, JUST BROTHERS; and finally, the great I'M ON MY WAY, DEAN PARRISH.

I'm not expecting everyone to love them. There might even be a few who actually hate them, (I know it seems unlikely, but this is a strange world we live in). But for me they all felt right for the moments in the script where we wanted music that meant something.

So, to ask the question a third time.........

I'm glad to hear that you intend using original music. Perhaps you could let us know what part these people ''The Dap Kings, Sharon Jones, Amy Winehouse*, Mark Ronson*, Paul Weller and Duffy" who are all mentioned in your publicity, will play in terms of original music ?

[WendyTinley]

Actually I'm not.

Oh sorry... Just in the original post of this thread the guy said that it was going to be all northern... I'll keep me gob shut in future...

[Pauldonnelly]

I'm waiting to see Darcy in his sheepskin tell some poor bastard on the car park " I know they were 7 a quid last week however this week they're 6 a quid. If you don't like it f*** OFF!!"

[BrianB]

2 non casino records in that list

...and there were aerplanes spotted in Ben Hur, Robin Hood wore a watch, wrong guns for the era in The Godfather, plastic bags on guns in Saving Private Ryan....

Give the guy a break! At least he is giving it a go. Its not going to be perfect, particularly for us on here!!

And as for the comment on filming it in the current era? 40 to 50 year olds whinging before they go to a do, whinging at it, and whinging after it (and I include myself in that). I can see that being a blockbuster.

[Mark Bicknell]

I know how much getting the music right on the nose means to almost everyone out there, (all connected to the project too, believe me: it's the music's going to set the pace of so much of what happens onscreen), but like I said, licensing talks are still ongoing about a whole lot of stuff and that's a minefield / labyrinth I'm not planning on going anywhere near. What I can do, though, is let you in on the song titles I specified for key moments in the script to hopefully whet a few appetites as well as give you a little taster of where we'd like to be once the talks are finalised and the deals done. In all probability there's gonna be a few of these fall by the wayside to be replaced by others, and the action during the Casino sequences will have a non-stop playlist quite apart from the stuff below, but this is what I used as my starting point:

A THRILL A MOMENT, KIM WESTON; BREAKAWAY, STEVE KARMEN BAND; SHARE A LITTLE LOVE WITH ME, THE MONITORS; COUNTDOWN HERE I COME, THE TEMPOS; OUT ON THE FLOOR, DOBIE GRAY; THE STARS, BARBARA LEWIS; LOVE ME, LOVE ME (A LITTLE WHILE), KIM WESTON;

GIRL DON'T MAKE ME WAIT, BUNNY SIGLER; THE DRIFTER, RAY POLLARD; COMPETITION AIN'T NOTHING, CARL CARLTON; SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE (NEEDS YOU), DARRELL BANKS; SLICED TOMATOES, JUST BROTHERS; and finally, the great I'M ON MY WAY, DEAN PARRISH.

I'm not expecting everyone to love them. There might even be a few who actually hate them, (I know it seems unlikely, but this is a strange world we live in). But for me they all felt right for the moments in the script where we wanted music that meant something.

Jeff, if you are having problems or possible problems with licensing original tracks etc. then perhaps someome like Ady Croasdell at Ace/Kent would be a good port of call for you as he knows more about that side of things than most and I'm sure could offer you advice on an authentic sound track and how to obtain the tracks as his pedigree and knowledge is second to none, I have no real comment about the project and I hope it works but one piece of advice is to listen to all advice good or bad and talk to people who were actually there at that time rather than make it up, there is a million and one stories out there which happened to people on this scene which are funny, sad, tragic etc. the thing is you are dealing with such an imotive subject as it's been our lives for so long so you are gonna get flack along the way because people care about their history and way of life with a passion and very few people outside the scene rarly understand most of all the media, production companies, television etc. I love football and have yet to see a motion picture about the beautiful game come anywhere close to capture the magic of a Saturday afternoon, please don't make an 'Escape To Victory' hash of this one Jeff just try to recreate that magical day at Wembley back in 1966 and remember there is a whole army of Geoff Hursts out here that can and should be able to make a contribution to this project.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Edited August 7, 2008 by Mark Bicknell

[Spacehopper]

here we go again ..another thread slips into bickering ....

i realise people are passionate and want to see the film as acurate as it can be BUT it is just a film,not even based on any one true event just a period in time and a culture....

if you are old enough to have gone to the casino..lucky you but personaly i dont think any of your opinions count any more than any other soul fan who lives and breathes this music every day....unless ofcourse you are on the production team...

i hope we would all like this film to be a big sucsess,maybe it will bring some new fans to the scene,fill up some of them half empty do's we all talk about because theres too many promoters/djs !!...maybe some skint artists careers may even be resurected through it BUT for this to happen the cinemas need to be full and that means people who werent at the casino aswell as those that were...

im glad someone has the balls to take this on instead of the same old teen comedy.....at least it gives us something different to talk about instead of too many djs or bootlegs....again

[Little-stevie]

Jeff, if you are having problems or possible problems with licensing original tracks etc. then perhaps someome like Ady Croasdell at Ace/Kent would be a good port of call for you as he knows more about that side of things than most and I'm sure could offer you advice on an authentic sound track and how to obtain the tracks as his pedigree and knowledge is second to none, I have no real comment about the project and I hope it works but one piece of advice is to listen to all advice good or bad and talk to people who were actually there at that time rather than make it up, there is a million and one stories out there which happened to people on this scene which are funny, sad, tragic etc. the thing is you are dealing with such an imotive subject as it's been our lives for so long so you are gonna get flack along the way because people care about their history and way of life with a passion and very few people outside the scene rarly understand most of all the media, production companies, television etc. I love football and have yet to see a motion picture about the beautiful game come anywhere close to capture the magic of a Saturday afternoon, please don't make an 'Escape To Victory' hash of this one Jeff just try to recreate that magical day at Wembley back in 1966 and remember there is a whole army of Geoff Hursts out here that can and should be able to make a contribution to this project.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Edited August 7, 2008 by little-stevie

[sister dawn]

well I guess Im too bloody old now to take a lead role but can I portray Hilda on the door, although I cant do fancy knitting just the knit one pearl one routine. Or if there is a bar at the venue before the nighter can I be the barmaid please ...

Personally I wish it well as its been a long time in coming as I got all the paperwork for this last year (or was it the year before) Said then with empathy of the right music score being of original remit then it'll be a gud un.

Our only worry now is that everyone is going to have dance like liam from now on in..... its gonna kill us....

Edited August 7, 2008 by Sister Dawn

[Maark]

I'm waiting to see Darcy in his sheepskin tell some poor bastard on the car park " I know they were 7 a quid last week however this week they're 6 a quid. If you don't like it f*** OFF!!"

It's good to know he's lost none of his charm then.......

[paultp]

My sad, cynical, 50+ view of films about NS (not just this one - any and all of them) is that they will just make the NS scene look ridiculous because they try and mainstream something that just isn't mainstream.

Bums on seats rather than authenticity has got to be the priority for those involved which means portraying NS in a way that the masses understand (i.e. nice and simple) and also always including the only widely-known NS venue: W*g*n C*s*n*.

Is there anyone who hasn't experienced the conversation about music preferences that turns to word association as soon as the phrase "Northern Soul" is uttered? The normal reply being "Oh yeah! ... Wigan Pier eh?". It will only get worse.

I only flit about the edges of what is loosely termed "The Northern Soul scene" but to to my mind if it doesn't attract people organically then they are never going to be attracted and that is no bad thing.

Brace yourselves for ridicule and a short term boost to event attendances as the aftermath to each film.

Mind you, the posers and egotists should have a field day post-film as they can all trot out their "I was there" experiences to the media (again ). Should be all manner of materiel there for blogs and p*ss-taking so it won't all be bad.

Cheers

Paul

[Reg]

My sad, cynical, 50+ view of films about NS (not just this one - any and all of them) is that they will just make the NS scene look ridiculous because they try and mainstream something that just isn't mainstream.

Bums on seats rather than authenticity has got to be the priority for those involved which means portraying NS in a way that the masses understand (i.e. nice and simple) and also always including the only widely-known NS venue: W*g*n C*s*n*.

Is there anyone who hasn't experienced the conversation about music preferences that turns to word association as soon as the phrase "Northern Soul" is uttered? The normal reply being "Oh yeah! ... Wigan Pier eh?". It will only get worse.

I only flit about the edges of what is loosely termed "The Northern Soul scene" but to to my mind if it doesn't attract people organically then they are never going to be attracted and that is no bad thing.

Brace yourselves for ridicule and a short term boost to event attendances as the aftermath to each film.

Mind you, the posers and egotists should have a field day post-film as they can all trot out their "I was there" experiences to the media (again ). Should be all manner of materiel there for blogs and p*ss-taking so it won't all be bad.

Cheers

Paul

Blo*dy Hell Paul, are you my other half in disguise? That's nearly exactly what he said when I told him about this thread

[Guest soulmaguk]

I'm glad to hear that you intend using original music. Perhaps you could let us know what part these people ''The Dap Kings, Sharon Jones, Amy Winehouse*, Mark Ronson*, Paul Weller and Duffy" who are all mentioned in your publicity, will play in terms of original music ?

Original source was what was said Dave, remember there were some new original bands in scenes of Quadrophenia.

[Guest soulmaguk]

so kings hall is the venue for filming.

pity you could of got the old wiganer's to bring a brick & the old flooring they bot,nicked,borrowed & re built the CASINO.

I heard some years ago that the King's Hall Stoke was said to be the closest thing to the Casino that was. Dont know if they meant visually or musically.

[Russ Vickers]

Absolutely right - Many didn't even have money for trains - loads used to get on train with platform tickets then leap off 'wrong side' of train onto tracks at Wigan then leg it with Transport Police in hot pursuit!! Those were the days

Absolutely..............'jumping' the train was part & parcel...........we would jump from the train as it approached Wigan station, then over that wall & you would be holding your breath, as you didnt know if it would be the Bill or the locals waiting for ya, on the other side, you either got nicked or a potential kicking. Even if you managed to successfully avoid that, then as we walked up to station road, it was around closing time for the pubs, so it really was a gauntlet, at the best you got loads of abuse...............but we were the 'special ones' 8 hours on the train & all of that, never once made me think twice, it was all part of the fun & worth every minuit for the magical time we had in WC, in fact its only with hind sight that many of these things, including getting turned over for ya gear by both the bouncers & the big lads & the fact that there were always a large percentage of DS around, even sink in, it was just the norm for a weekend of Northern/Rare Soul. it was about passion for the music, a passion that still burns within me to this day........its why I spend a large part of my life in the pursuit of vinyl, new vinyl mostly, trying to discover a new unheard track or a truly forgotten gem & why Im constantly deconflicting family & work life to continue to pursue what after all is an alternative life style, many of us have lived the life all of our adult life & continue to do so,........................this is why the film has to be done properly, they owe us that much, we & the music have been let down by the media so many times, by selling out & dumbing the scene down to make it palatable for the mainstream, I hope & pray that this film really gives an acurate portrayal of the scene, the music & the times.

Russ

[paultp]

Blo*dy Hell Paul, are you my other half in disguise? That's nearly exactly what he said when I told him about this thread

You should listen to him more carefully, for he agrees with me and so must be right.

[Our Kid]

I'm waiting to see Darcy in his sheepskin tell some poor bastard on the car park " I know they were 7 a quid last week however this week they're 6 a quid. If you don't like it f*** OFF!!"

Now funnily enough.......THAT is realistic!!!!!

[Russ Vickers]

2 non casino records in that list

Yes, but if they're used as part of the sound track to emphasise emotion or what ever & not as part of the 'Casino' scenes then I dont see what the problem is, theyre both great soul records, they would never have been played at Nighters back then anyway..............

Russ

[NEV]

I'll be the taxi driver who drops you off at the start outside the Casino;

'That'll be ten bob love, watch how you go. I had that nice Mr Serling in the back of my cab once...'

see i'm a natural

In fact only last night my missus said i had a small part...

Was it also you who played the taxi driver in the Peter Kay dvd's

Taking him to the Concert Hall with that bird from Corrie in the back

[Guest soulmaguk]

Guess that's why it's called Sold Out

That's not sold out, sold out's when you try pass off records like Footsee as soul!

[jocko]

.this is why the film has to be done properly, they owe us that much, we & the music have been let down by the media so many times, by selling out & dumbing the scene down to make it palatable for the mainstream, I hope & pray that this film really gives an acurate portrayal of the scene, the music & the times.

Russ

Yes, but if they're used as part of the sound track to emphasise emotion or what ever & not as part of the 'Casino' scenes then I dont see what the problem is, theyre both great soul records, they would never have been played at Nighters back then anyway..............

Russ

Russ I think you have made 2 great points, most important is catching the feel and the times, things like the real music by the real artists is crucial, and I think, to agree with your second pont is much more important than arguing about which record is on there. It has to relay peoples experience, but to me its about making people almost smell that time. That is very difficult to me on film, so therefore attention to detail should be about the people on the film

And lets be honest a film purely about Wigan is not going to work, it has to be a great script about people for whom Wigan is a passion as you can't replay the place but you can relay peoples emotions and thoughts, that to me will make it a masterpiece, and why to me OUATIW was the best piece of drama I have ever experienced.

The Northern scene to me was made by the people, and before any wisecrack comes along that doesn mean I don't put the music first, but I can and do listen to that constantly on my own. This scene was made, and sadly is now f***ked, by the quality of people around, that to me is what this film should be about.

Film is drama, lets not forget that though.....

[Peter99]

The proposed film is in early production. I understand that people want it to be right - none of us want our scene - and therefore ourselves to be portrayed in a ridiculous light. However, by all accounts the film is going to happen.

I'll wait, hopefully see the film and then make my judgement before having a go.

Ironside.

[Guest Beeks]

The proposed film is in early production. I understand that people want it to be right - none of us want our scene - and therefore ourselves to be portrayed in a ridiculous light. However, by all accounts the film is going to happen.

I'll wait, hopefully see the film and then make my judgement before having a go.

Ironside.

Well said that man

In all honesty it wont please all of you...might not even please a large majority...but like someone mentioned earlier its artistic license...nobody...including me...(and like so many of you like to point out I wasn't there) wants to see a crap film based only loosely on the movement...and I think the Director would do well to listen to some of the advise of people on here to go find someone who can really give him an insight into the logistics, culture and genuine music of the time...even then he might fail...but if he shows willing and makes a genuine attempt to recreate it...then thats brave and should be applauded and no condemned...

Edited August 7, 2008 by Beeks

[Russ Vickers]

Russ I think you have made 2 great points, most important is catching the feel and the times, things like the real music by the real artists is crucial, and I think, to agree with your second pont is much more important than arguing about which record is on there. It has to relay peoples experience, but to me its about making people almost smell that time. That is very difficult to me on film, so therefore attention to detail should be about the people on the film

And lets be honest a film purely about Wigan is not going to work, it has to be a great script about people for whom Wigan is a passion as you can't replay the place but you can relay peoples emotions and thoughts, that to me will make it a masterpiece, and why to me OUATIW was the best piece of drama I have ever experienced.

The Northern scene to me was made by the people, and before any wisecrack comes along that doesn mean I don't put the music first, but I can and do listen to that constantly on my own. This scene was made, and sadly is now f***ked, by the quality of people around, that to me is what this film should be about.

Film is drama, lets not forget that though.....

[Modernsoulsucks]

Whilst I sympathise with Russ's Scott of the Antarctic like endeavours to get to Wigan each week I think he should spare a thought for those of us who arrived by car from 45 minutes away. Many's the time we were unable to keep the Chablis chilled due to the primitive air conditioning available in most models of cars on the market during that period. And of course there's nothing worse than cucumber canapes when the edges begin to curl. But we were no less committed!!

Im definitely with the cynics, going off previous experience, and I think it is important to try to capture the moment but as regards to the choice of music provided by Jeff I think it's going to be awfully difficult to fit them into the film chronologically. Leaving aside the fact that there's quite a few that I don't remember hearing at all at Wigan, although I didn't go into Mr.M's, unless he sticks to titles that "shout" Wigan the soundtrack can only provide an accompaniment to the action/emotion on the screen and can in no way identify the time and place. Not to labour the point but you wouldn't have Connie Clarke followed by Executive 4. So to get it right you need a hell of a lot of research IMO.

Finally I was 21 when Wigan opened. Looking back I have no idea what I was thinking or feeling at the time. I think some of us now are transposing our attitudes built up over 20-30 odd years since the Casino closed onto how we were then. Im not saying that we weren't into it passionately back then but I think there is a difference and we can't expect the film maker to reflect the hindsight we now possess. Hope that makes sense.

ROD

[Stevie]

Absolutely..............'jumping' the train was part & parcel...........we would jump from the train as it approached Wigan station, then over that wall & you would be holding your breath, as you didnt know if it would be the Bill or the locals waiting for ya, on the other side, you either got nicked or a potential kicking. Even if you managed to successfully avoid that, then as we walked up to station road, it was around closing time for the pubs, so it really was a gauntlet, at the best you got loads of abuse...............but we were the 'special ones' 8 hours on the train & all of that, never once made me think twice,

2am starts in the early days, and yes we were the 'special ones'... long train journeys (nobody I knew had a car at that time)........... No off the peg fashion...... Baggies made to measure at Burtons/Hepworths, original bowling shirts imported from America and an unquenchable thirst for new sounds. I stopped going after nearly 3 years, just before the third Anniversary, mainly because of the circus that the media turned it into, and the loss (to me anyway) of that 'underground' feeling. It was an exciting and sometimes scary time and quite far removed from the scene that we know today, and I wouldn't give up those memories for anything. It's not something that I attempt to relive every weekend as I believe much of the music is well past its sell by date - my motivation comes from hearing and finding 'new' records and for me its early 60's/RnB that offers most scope in that department and often at reasonable cost.

If someone wants to make a film that's loosely based on Northern Soul then that's fine by me, but to turn down the opportunity to make a great film because people who weren't there don't want the input of people who were there.........well, that would be such a shame.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Jeff, if you are having problems or possible problems with licensing original tracks etc. then perhaps someome like Ady Croasdell at Ace/Kent would be a good port of call for you as he knows more about that side of things than most and I'm sure could offer you advice on an authentic sound track and how to obtain the tracks as his pedigree and knowledge is second to none, I have no real comment about the project and I hope it works but one piece of advice is to listen to all advice good or bad and talk to people who were actually there at that time rather than make it up, there is a million and one stories out there which happened to people on this scene which are funny, sad, tragic etc. the thing is you are dealing with such an imotive subject as it's been our lives for so long so you are gonna get flack along the way because people care about their history and way of life with a passion and very few people outside the scene rarly understand most of all the media, production companies, television etc. I love football and have yet to see a motion picture about the beautiful game come anywhere close to capture the magic of a Saturday afternoon, please don't make an 'Escape To Victory' hash of this one Jeff just try to recreate that magical day at Wembley back in 1966 and remember there is a whole army of Geoff Hursts out here that can and should be able to make a contribution to this project.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

I actually dropped a line to Jeff re some potential help in licensing some authentic Northern Soul tracks from people who we know own them, but he's not involved with that area apparently.

He told me that the business affairs people @ Ipso Facto films are the ones to talk to, so I put a call into both the London & Newcastle offices but couldn't elicit a reply from either number (what else is new LOL).

The fact is that they could assemble a brilliant soundtrack @ probably a quarter of the expense of licensing in Paul Weller, Duffy and Amy tracks, but I don't know if they understand that. There are loads of 100% key Wigan monster tracks which are still independently owned or controlled and which historically should be in the film.

What would I do?

I'd theme the movie so that the likes of Amy, Duffy and Weller are used in the non-authentic parts of it, i.e. the intro, title sequences, incidental scenes and outro etc. Remember they're thinking of cashing in on the popularity of the above artists and probably think it will be sexy to use those songs in the film. Plus they want to flog a cool soundtrack presumably.

All of the above would probably work well in sympathy with......

.......using the original recordings for the Wigan Casino/Northern Soul specific historical type scenes, many of which can be licensed relatively cheaply and would give the film to stamp of authenticity for the hardcore devotees.

Best of both worlds if you may. Not perfect but probably the best you could hope for in this day and age!

However, I guess they have an agenda and ultimately they're not aiming at the S.S. audience but rather the 14-24 demographic which actually goes to the movies!

Ian D