Peter99 Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I know it doesn't take much - but I'm confused. I absolutely love the record "What does it take - to win your love for me" Just been knocking around refosoul - and like lots of other stuff there are numerous versions/covers. I seem to recall I got to like this because of the great sax. I've just played the different versions and some don't have any sax at all - Hearts of Stone etc. What confuses me is that I prefer the vocals on this version - and obviously, wrongly, thought this is the version that I got to like when it was played out. But it can't be because of the lack of sax. Is this making sense? So - over to you lot. Which was the was the first release? Which was played out first - and when and by whom? Was a particuar take more popular than the others - with the dancers I mean. Which is the rarer? Do you like the tune and which is your favourite. Sorry - my memory gets all mixed up and hazy - appreciate some views on this as it's been bugging me. Thanks. Ironside Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Al Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 (edited) I know it doesn't take much - but I'm confused. I absolutely love the record "What does it take - to win your love for me" Just been knocking around refosoul - and like lots of other stuff there are numerous versions/covers. I seem to recall I got to like this because of the great sax. I've just played the different versions and some don't have any sax at all - Hearts of Stone etc. What confuses me is that I prefer the vocals on this version - and obviously, wrongly, thought this is the version that I got to like when it was played out. But it can't be because of the lack of sax. Is this making sense? So - over to you lot. Which was the was the first release? Which was played out first - and when and by whom? Was a particuar take more popular than the others - with the dancers I mean. Which is the rarer? Do you like the tune and which is your favourite. Sorry - my memory gets all mixed up and hazy - appreciate some views on this as it's been bugging me. Thanks. Ironside Hello mate, agree it's a great track, I know of versions by: Junior Walker - The original & probably first played Younghearts - No sax Motherlode - Don't like it Bay Brothers - The best version & most sax (IMHO) Electrifying Cashmeres - Soulful vocals, my second choice Buddy Miles - Not bad Kenny G - My third choice I don't know the Hearts of Stone version you mention though, I'll give it a listen. Most popular with me is Bay Brothers. Rarest? Toss up between Electrifying Cashmeres and Bay Brothers I think. Hope this gets you started, I'm sure others will add more and more versions and opinions - beware of obsession setting in!!! Best, John. PS late edit: quick search show versions by Superband on Manships (awful) and possibly one by Santana too. This will run & run!! Edited August 2, 2008 by John Alden Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Ya cant beat Jnr Walkers version imho but I've not heard Heart of stones take yet regards Ian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Hi Peter, Loads of versions of this great song, written by Johnny Bristol, Harvey Fuqua and Vernon Bullock. Jr Walker had the Soul / Motown smash with it! It was a Pop Soul hit when new. Rarest version is most probably the Bay Brothers (White Pop Act) on US Millenium which gained favour in Modern / Crossover circles around 15 years ago... and I think played first (as I recall) by Rick Scott. I was almost certainly first to play the California Raisins version (because, if people ever needed a different version to Junior Walker, it was certainly better than the Bay Bros) around the same time (early Yarmouth). I played it as Buddy Miles (which, of course, it really is) and I recall it did cause a stir at the time. Also there are versions by Younghearts, Hearts of Stone, Motherlode, Electrifying Casmeres and and and! Jr Walker was never really a 'Northern' tune back in the day - always a straight 'club' sound that gained favour at Pitches early 90's, along with a host of other great Popular / Soul tunes... that now seem to be 'Northern' staple classics. Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 (edited) Ya cant beat Jnr Walkers version imho but I've not heard Heart of stones take yet regards Ian Oops Edited August 2, 2008 by ken Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Hitsville Chalky Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Hello mate, agree it's a great track, I know of versions by: Junior Walker - The original & probably first played Younghearts - No sax Motherlode - Don't like it Bay Brothers - The best version & most sax (IMHO) Electrifying Cashmeres - Soulful vocals, my second choice Buddy Miles - Not bad Kenny G - My third choice I don't know the Hearts of Stone version you mention though, I'll give it a listen. Most popular with me is Bay Brothers. Rarest? Toss up between Electrifying Cashmeres and Bay Brothers I think. Hope this gets you started, I'm sure others will add more and more versions and opinions - beware of obsession setting in!!! Best, John. Agree John for me though Jnr walker or for more of a northern sound " Electrifying Cashmeres Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Ya cant beat Jnr Walkers version imho but I've not heard Heart of stones take yet regards Ian Thanks Ian. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Hello mate, agree it's a great track, I know of versions by: Junior Walker - The original & probably first played Younghearts - No sax Motherlode - Don't like it Bay Brothers - The best version & most sax (IMHO) Electrifying Cashmeres - Soulful vocals, my second choice Buddy Miles - Not bad Kenny G - My third choice I don't know the Hearts of Stone version you mention though, I'll give it a listen. Most popular with me is Bay Brothers. Rarest? Toss up between Electrifying Cashmeres and Bay Brothers I think. Hope this gets you started, I'm sure others will add more and more versions and opinions - beware of obsession setting in!!! Best, John. PS late edit: quick search show versions by Superband on Manships (awful) and possibly one by Santana too. This will run & run!! Thanks Jonh That's really useful. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Hi Peter, Loads of versions of this great song, written by Johnny Bristol, Harvey Fuqua and Vernon Bullock. Jr Walker had the Soul / Motown smash with it! It was a Pop Soul hit when new. Rarest version is most probably the Bay Brothers (White Pop Act) on US Millenium which gained favour in Modern / Crossover circles around 15 years ago... and I think played first (as I recall) by Rick Scott. I was almost certainly first to play the California Raisins version (because, if people ever needed a different version to Junior Walker, it was certainly better than the Bay Bros) around the same time (early Yarmouth). I played it as Buddy Miles (which, of course, it really is) and I recall it did cause a stir at the time. Also there are versions by Younghearts, Hearts of Stone, Motherlode, Electrifying Casmeres and and and! Jr Walker was never really a 'Northern' tune back in the day - always a straight 'club' sound that gained favour at Pitches early 90's, along with a host of other great Popular / Soul tunes... that now seem to be 'Northern' staple classics. Sean Hi Sean Loads of interesting stuff there mate - thanks. I'm assuming that I must know the Jr Walker release - but is doesn't spring to mind. I need to check out the JR's (Buddy Miles) version - that may be the one that originally got me hooked! Just to confuse things. Thanks again - top man. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Here you go mate... Three versions all on YouTube. Junior Walker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0xzcavGrj4...feature=related Bay Brothers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04IhKJk9CV8 California Raisins - Buddy Miles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6PvR2fABl8 Even though I first broke the California Raisins Version, Junior is still the don for me! Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 And here's the original writers 'Levinesque' version! Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Even though I first broke the California Raisins Version, Junior is still the don for me! Sean you want to watch where you leave your records lying around - that way you'll not break 'em.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Al Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 And here's the original writers 'Levinesque' version! Sean Hmmmm, same old same old. Quite a long intro there, Johhny appeared to be trying to come in early several times. Found the Santana one too. No sax at all, plenty electric guitar though. Santana Still Bay Bros for me! John. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Hi Peter, Loads of versions of this great song, written by Johnny Bristol, Harvey Fuqua and Vernon Bullock. Jr Walker had the Soul / Motown smash with it! It was a Pop Soul hit when new. Rarest version is most probably the Bay Brothers (White Pop Act) on US Millenium which gained favour in Modern / Crossover circles around 15 years ago... and I think played first (as I recall) by Rick Scott. I was almost certainly first to play the California Raisins version (because, if people ever needed a different version to Junior Walker, it was certainly better than the Bay Bros) around the same time (early Yarmouth). I played it as Buddy Miles (which, of course, it really is) and I recall it did cause a stir at the time. Also there are versions by Younghearts, Hearts of Stone, Motherlode, Electrifying Casmeres and and and! Jr Walker was never really a 'Northern' tune back in the day - always a straight 'club' sound that gained favour at Pitches early 90's, along with a host of other great Popular / Soul tunes... that now seem to be 'Northern' staple classics. Sean Jr Walker version is the one for me. It actually hit No.13 in the UK Pop chart in 1969 and is one of my favourite Motown songs ever. This would have been too 'pop' to have been played @ the Wheel presumably? Also an interesting indie 80's version from '81 out of New York - Tony Rome & The D.W.A.L. Orchestra featuring Donald Armstrong on Kency............... Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sjclement Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 What!!!!! No mention of the Fith Dimension's Fabulous version of it. David Sanborn on sax and out about 71-72?. Funny thing I'm only aware of this as an album track. But vthe amount of times I've heard it ..It must be a single John Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
soulfulmick Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Junior Walkers version is the best by far IMHO Also versions by Coon Elder Band on Mercury and B J Thomas on Sceptre LP Everybody's out of town both are decent versions Mick W Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Thanks everyone - that should keep me busy for a while. Tra, la, la, la,la. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Here you go mate... Three versions all on YouTube. Junior Walker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0xzcavGrj4...feature=related Bay Brothers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04IhKJk9CV8 California Raisins - Buddy Miles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6PvR2fABl8 Even though I first broke the California Raisins Version, Junior is still the don for me! Sean Ah, thanks Sean! My memory must be shot to pieces - Jr is obviously the version that got me hooked - and is the best of the bunch. So my question has been answered to a great degree. Some quite interesting comments - Ian's comment about it perhaps being too poppy to have been played at the Wheel is a good example. I guess it shows how much things have changed. The Wheel was a bit before my time so I can't comment on those days. From where I'm sitting though - and obviously from the first time I heard it - this is a wicked piece of soul music - absolutely stunning. Some of the covers are top notch too. It's hard to fathom out why I couldn't pin point - or remember the Jr Walker? I've obviously shot it! Thanks everyone. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 And here's the original writers 'Levinesque' version! Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 It could be of course that my memory is in perfect working order. It might be that I just didn't have a clue who did the song, when etc. I just can't remember! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I like B J Thomas version on scepter. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 What!!!!! No mention of the Fith Dimension's Fabulous version of it. David Sanborn on sax and out about 71-72?. Funny thing I'm only aware of this as an album track. But vthe amount of times I've heard it ..It must be a single John tis on 45 John. got this on a Mexican Capitol release from 1971... didnt kno it was David Sanborn on sax!! great vocal from the brilliant Billy Davis. Jnr's still the best version for me. There's also a very decent take by Garland Jefferies on Epic steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Plumb Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Seriously can't believe no one's mentioned the best dance version of the song (in a Modern Soul, crossing over to The Northern scene kinda stylee!) by none other than Dee Dee Warwick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Waaayyyy better than Bay Bros (same tempo BUT 'proper' vocals!) It's a monster I tell ya, a monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Canadian LP only from 1980.................get searching Cheers Steve ps Junior W still THE best version BUT the best dance version is by Dee Dee imho! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted August 4, 2008 Author Share Posted August 4, 2008 Seriously can't believe no one's mentioned the best dance version of the song (in a Modern Soul, crossing over to The Northern scene kinda stylee!) by none other than Dee Dee Warwick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Waaayyyy better than Bay Bros (same tempo BUT 'proper' vocals!) It's a monster I tell ya, a monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Canadian LP only from 1980.................get searching Cheers Steve ps Junior W still THE best version BUT the best dance version is by Dee Dee imho! Any chance of a sound clip Steve? Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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