Madmandy Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I was thinking today as I browsed through my little box of cheap vinyl Just how much one piece of vinyl changes hands for in its lifetime bearing in mind that some of the vinyl we still buy is 1960s.. ish that makes it 45 years old and the fact that vinyl prices go up and down and depenedant on its rarity or commonness what would be its total cost over its life time?? Mand Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Beeks Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Very good question, I should imagine in this particular scene records change hands alot more than any other...so would be very interesting to see the net worth of all those trades! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spacehopper Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 not just the cost how many miles have some travelled ?!!...ive bought US issues from australia ,japan and all over europe ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 veron changed hands for a lot of money in football transfers but was pretty rubbish at British clubs. just a bit off topic..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jordirip Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I was thinking today as I browsed through my little box of cheap vinyl Just how much one piece of vinyl changes hands for in its lifetime bearing in mind that some of the vinyl we still buy is 1960s.. ish that makes it 45 years old and the fact that vinyl prices go up and down and depenedant on its rarity or commonness what would be its total cost over its life time?? Mand I've often wondered about the 'life' of a record, how it finally comes to nestle in a loving collector's home, from the outset of it coming off the presses with 300 of it's brothers and sisters, to then not have any distribution deal and be handed out or sold at a local gig by the band members. It would then be taken home and played by it's new owner till they got fed up with it, then the kids would play with it, flinging it around the room or yard, or writing on it. It might then get thrown out with loads of other stuff at a yard sale to be picked up by someone who either knows it or is curious about it. It could then end up in a second hand store languishing on a shelf for years until some dealer trawling second hand shops buys it with loads of others, not realising the significance of this particular record. It will then languish some more in another second hand record shop until a record digger finds it and then sells it to a British / Japanese / European dealer, who in turn brings it over the seas and moves it on to a collector of such records. It could then be put in a sales box to be thumbed past for weeks / months / years at different soul nights until that special someone picks it up and is at last introduced to that long looked for want. Jordi Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Andy Kempster Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I was thinking today as I browsed through my little box of cheap vinyl Just how much one piece of vinyl changes hands for in its lifetime bearing in mind that some of the vinyl we still buy is 1960s.. ish that makes it 45 years old and the fact that vinyl prices go up and down and depenedant on its rarity or commonness what would be its total cost over its life time?? Mand think of their carbon footprint, they must be one of the biggest culprits going i had a $5 record misrouted via usps going from texas then japan, back to texas and then back here Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Madmandy Posted July 21, 2008 Author Share Posted July 21, 2008 Wow!! some great replies how many changes of owner how many changes of county how many changes of country some of the scenes vinyl is more well travelled than Alan Wicker! LOL When I buy a record with a name written on its label I often wonder where they are now are they still here loving the music as we do did they just have that one soulful vinyl grow tired of it and sling it to the boot sale or do they have old babycham crates full of the black gold ??? thanks guys Mand Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Madmandy Posted July 21, 2008 Author Share Posted July 21, 2008 veron changed hands for a lot of money in football transfers but was pretty rubbish at British clubs. just a bit off topic..... Dylan bloody footballers want their balls kicked spoiled divas Mand NUFC fan ( yes I know they re not a team LOL) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I've often wondered about the 'life' of a record, how it finally comes to nestle in a loving collector's home, from the outset of it coming off the presses with 300 of it's brothers and sisters, to then not have any distribution deal and be handed out or sold at a local gig by the band members. It would then be taken home and played by it's new owner till they got fed up with it, then the kids would play with it, flinging it around the room or yard, or writing on it. It might then get thrown out with loads of other stuff at a yard sale to be picked up by someone who either knows it or is curious about it. It could then end up in a second hand store languishing on a shelf for years until some dealer trawling second hand shops buys it with loads of others, not realising the significance of this particular record. It will then languish some more in another second hand record shop until a record digger finds it and then sells it to a British / Japanese / European dealer, who in turn brings it over the seas and moves it on to a collector of such records. It could then be put in a sales box to be thumbed past for weeks / months / years at different soul nights until that special someone picks it up and is at last introduced to that long looked for want. Jordi Beautifully put. I've bought hundreds of records that probably had that exact same sequence of events. An obscure piece of vinyl, the only release on some exotic sounding label... by an unknown artist... ...unmentioned in any of the 'guide books'... unrecognised by those 'in the know'. Curiousity gets the better of you and the money changes hands. Finally... at the journey's end... and when that rare 45 eventually drops through the letterbox and hits my record deck... it becomes very clear... that most of them should have stayed in the second hand shop! Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Madmandy Posted July 21, 2008 Author Share Posted July 21, 2008 (edited) Beautifully put. I've bought hundreds of records that probably had that exact same sequence of events. An obscure piece of vinyl, the only release on some exotic sounding label... by an unknown artist... ...unmentioned in any of the 'guide books'... unrecognised by those 'in the know'. Curiousity gets the better of you and the money changes hands. Finally... at the journey's end... and when that rare 45 eventually drops through the letterbox and hits my record deck... it becomes very clear... that most of them should have stayed in the second hand shop! Sean Sean I'm damn sure thats not true at all your reputation precedes you Im sure you'd change your mind about your vinyl if you saw my "vinyl" LOL Mand PS I do like what Jordi had to say tho brill Wonder if anyone has actually tracked one piece of vinyl you know how anorakky we are on here theres bound to be someone LOL Edited July 21, 2008 by Madmandy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Epic Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Often wondered about the "big ticket" tunes (ie - seriously rare - less than 10 known copies) do they just do the rounds with the world's top collectors or once they've got 'em they keep 'em? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Madmandy Posted July 22, 2008 Author Share Posted July 22, 2008 Often wondered about the "big ticket" tunes (ie - seriously rare - less than 10 known copies) do they just do the rounds with the world's top collectors or once they've got 'em they keep 'em? Epic do you think they borrow them to their DJ buddies to play I dont think so I reckon they'd rather keep them to themselves so it keeps that rarity going but theres sooooo many bootlegs these days it defeats the object leggers only need one record to boot dont they Mand Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Often wondered about the "big ticket" tunes (ie - seriously rare - less than 10 known copies) do they just do the rounds with the world's top collectors or once they've got 'em they keep 'em? A lot of them do go round and round - Sam's told me that he has had at least 4 Del Larks over the years. Buys one, sells it, buys another one for more, sells it for even more etc etc. Record inflation..... Records that come here though, stay here! I only ever sold one record and got £1 less for it than I wanted (£4 instead of £5) (this was at Wigan); the experience kind of put me of selling for ever. So ever since I've only ever bought records and leave the selling to others. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Madmandy Posted July 22, 2008 Author Share Posted July 22, 2008 A lot of them do go round and round - Sam's told me that he has had at least 4 Del Larks over the years. Buys one, sells it, buys another one for more, sells it for even more etc etc. Record inflation..... Records that come here though, stay here! I only ever sold one record and got £1 less for it than I wanted (£4 instead of £5) (this was at Wigan); the experience kind of put me of selling for ever. So ever since I've only ever bought records and leave the selling to others. So how many babycham crates have you got full of vinyl Steve? Mand Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Liamgp Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 It's when you find records that have been 'personailsed' by their previous owners either by scratching their name in the run-out grooves (seemed to be popular with DJs once upon a time) or writing on the label or sleeve. My favourite is a French EP of the Mar-Keys with 'George from Fulham High Street. I brout (sic) it in 1965' on the cover. I still wonder who George from Fulham is whenever I see that record. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Madmandy Posted July 23, 2008 Author Share Posted July 23, 2008 It's when you find records that have been 'personailsed' by their previous owners either by scratching their name in the run-out grooves (seemed to be popular with DJs once upon a time) or writing on the label or sleeve. My favourite is a French EP of the Mar-Keys with 'George from Fulham High Street. I brout (sic) it in 1965' on the cover. I still wonder who George from Fulham is whenever I see that record. thats exactly what I'm saying who is/was george who is KT? B Conway? the crescent soul club? Mand Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 It's when you find records that have been 'personailsed' by their previous owners either by scratching their name in the run-out grooves (seemed to be popular with DJs once upon a time) or writing on the label or sleeve. My favourite is a French EP of the Mar-Keys with 'George from Fulham High Street. I brout (sic) it in 1965' on the cover. I still wonder who George from Fulham is whenever I see that record. My copy of Benny Sigler on Phil La has "A Fenn" in the run out groove. My copy of Billy Prophet oN Sue has "Steve Snook" in the deadwax I know who A Fenn is ,but S Snook? Who he? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jerry Hipkiss Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 (edited) I know who A Fenn is ,but S Snook? Who he? Steve Snook from Cirencester, old Yate boy (alright, younger than the rest of us ) ...lives in Spain, occasional poster on this yer site. Funnily enough, he was at Soulfusion last Saturday and I was reminding him how he had a copy of Gene Woodbury "Ever again" when it was big and he probably hadn't left school! Edited July 24, 2008 by Jerry Hipkiss Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 I was thinking today as I browsed through my little box of cheap vinyl Just how much one piece of vinyl changes hands for in its lifetime bearing in mind that some of the vinyl we still buy is 1960s.. ish that makes it 45 years old and the fact that vinyl prices go up and down and depenedant on its rarity or commonness what would be its total cost over its life time?? Mand I think in the early days a lot of the 45s were in pretty good nick, having been stored away in warehouses / shops etc and being shipped over here by UK Northern dealers. But not these days when you are buying off E bay, You are picking up the used 45s that are the copy's that were actually sold to to people at the time ! I was having this conversation with a mate the other day. IMO Soul fans bought up everything decent from the USA that did not sell in the 60s in the 70s and 80s and in quantity from the warehouses etc, and now we are clearing up the used issues with the many scratches, felt tip pen marks, stickers, the owners name, strange things written on them etc. These 45s are the ones I tend to spare a moment looking at and imagining where they have been for the past 40 years ! A playing issue with a bit of ware and tear - Its a case of "If walls could talk" is it not ! I completely understand your wonder ! Mossy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest sandi Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) I think in the early days a lot of the 45s were in pretty good nick, having been stored away in warehouses / shops etc and being shipped over here by UK Northern dealers. But not these days when you are buying off E bay, You are picking up the used 45s that are the copy's that were actually sold to to people at the time ! I was having this conversation with a mate the other day. IMO Soul fans bought up everything decent from the USA that did not sell in the 60s in the 70s and 80s and in quantity from the warehouses etc, and now we are clearing up the used issues with the many scratches, felt tip pen marks, stickers, the owners name, strange things written on them etc. These 45s are the ones I tend to spare a moment looking at and imagining where they have been for the past 40 years ! A playing issue with a bit of ware and tear - Its a case of "If walls could talk" is it not ! I completely understand your wonder ! Mossy Well l wonder not about the records that have done the rounds and incured a scratch or 10, scribbled names, stickers etc, but l wonder about the rare records that cost thousands of pounds ( Rarity for whatever reason ) and it's most probable that they are owned by collectors and not DJ's, these collectors in some cases then instead of playing them, in fear of damage that may ( god forbid ) occur, protect the said record by placing it behind glass and framing it........l believe records were made to be played and played and played, so how the bloody hell do these very lucky super rich collectors actually #1 get the record on the turntable when the hole in the middle is covered up!!!!!!!! ( now thats what l call a cover up ) and #2 get the needle to play along the grooves through glass !!!!!!!!! uuuuuuuuuummmmmmmm what a dilema. Sorry lm just being naughty, could'nt help myself. Edited July 26, 2008 by sandi Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Liamgp Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Well l wonder not about the records that have done the rounds and incured a scratch or 10, scribbled names, stickers etc, but l wonder about the rare records that cost thousands of pounds ( Rarity for whatever reason ) and it's most probable that they are owned by collectors and not DJ's, these collectors in some cases then instead of playing them, in fear of damage that may ( god forbid ) occur, protect the said record by placing it behind glass and framing it........l believe records were made to be played and played and played, so how the bloody hell do these very lucky super rich collectors actually #1 get the record on the turntable when the hole in the middle is covered up!!!!!!!! ( now thats what l call a cover up ) and #2 get the needle to play along the grooves through glass !!!!!!!!! uuuuuuuuuummmmmmmm what a dilema. Sorry lm just being naughty, could'nt help myself. Well the 'ultimate rarity' "Do I Love You" gets played by Kenny Burrell on a regular basis. It's quite interesting seeing £15,000 revolving at 45 rpm... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 thats exactly what I'm saying who is/was george who is KT? B Conway? the crescent soul club? Mand I think KT is not a person! I've always understood it's the abbreviation for Kentish Town where EMI records were once pressed. Anyone confirm? Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MotownDave Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 I think KT is not a person! I've always understood it's the abbreviation for Kentish Town where EMI records were once pressed. Anyone confirm? Sean KT its what they used as the tax stamp early on you see it as a rased stamp in the center on uk singles as well as stamped in the run out Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest WPaulVanDyk Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Well Do I Love You is the only one i know of that is tracked by owners but then again at 15,000 what do you expect. I know people say records are for playing but only if your a DJ i mean i love playing my vinyl but i think why not save it and put it on cd and play the cd then i can keep my vinyl for when I DJ and then you just think sod it and start playing vinyl again lol as you do and only not long started playing my Higher and Higher LP again by Jackie Wilson But also records that have your name written all over it doesn't that take the value away cause i really hate it when people write there names on the records i don't need to know that a person say m bridges owned a record or whoever Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Well Do I Love You is the only one i know of that is tracked by owners but then again at 15,000 what do you expect. I know people say records are for playing but only if your a DJ i mean i love playing my vinyl but i think why not save it and put it on cd and play the cd then i can keep my vinyl for when I DJ and then you just think sod it and start playing vinyl again lol as you do and only not long started playing my Higher and Higher LP again by Jackie Wilson But also records that have your name written all over it doesn't that take the value away cause i really hate it when people write there names on the records i don't need to know that a person say m bridges owned a record or whoever Another astute and thought provoking reply , but what are you picking on M Bridges for ? has he / she done something wrong to you ? ........ Explain yourself please ........ Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Madmandy Posted July 27, 2008 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 I think in the early days a lot of the 45s were in pretty good nick, having been stored away in warehouses / shops etc and being shipped over here by UK Northern dealers. But not these days when you are buying off E bay, You are picking up the used 45s that are the copy's that were actually sold to to people at the time ! I was having this conversation with a mate the other day. IMO Soul fans bought up everything decent from the USA that did not sell in the 60s in the 70s and 80s and in quantity from the warehouses etc, and now we are clearing up the used issues with the many scratches, felt tip pen marks, stickers, the owners name, strange things written on them etc. These 45s are the ones I tend to spare a moment looking at and imagining where they have been for the past 40 years ! A playing issue with a bit of ware and tear - Its a case of "If walls could talk" is it not ! I completely understand your wonder ! Mossy Hiya Mossy Can you imagine they venues they've visited the buyers /Djs who have touched them ??? and that one person who decides wether it gets played to death or left in a dust filled attic as you say if walls could talk I wonder if anyone has written their name on a record to find it came back to them 30/40 years later wouldnt that have a story to tell Mand Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Madmandy Posted July 27, 2008 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 Well l wonder not about the records that have done the rounds and incured a scratch or 10, scribbled names, stickers etc, but l wonder about the rare records that cost thousands of pounds ( Rarity for whatever reason ) and it's most probable that they are owned by collectors and not DJ's, these collectors in some cases then instead of playing them, in fear of damage that may ( god forbid ) occur, protect the said record by placing it behind glass and framing it........l believe records were made to be played and played and played, so how the bloody hell do these very lucky super rich collectors actually #1 get the record on the turntable when the hole in the middle is covered up!!!!!!!! ( now thats what l call a cover up ) and #2 get the needle to play along the grooves through glass !!!!!!!!! uuuuuuuuuummmmmmmm what a dilema. Sorry lm just being naughty, could'nt help myself. PMSL hmmm playing thru glass to protect the vinyl ..now theres a thought Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Madmandy Posted July 27, 2008 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 KT its what they used as the tax stamp early on you see it as a rased stamp in the center on uk singles as well as stamped in the run out Its stamped on The Four Tops /reach out I'll be there TMG 579 Mand Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
sister dawn Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Mand Ive got one, (cant remember which one off the top of me head), which has charactures drawn on the sleeve cover, obviously of mates of someones, they are very jazzy orientated how they are drawn, will have to trawl through the boxes and scan and post it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 .... the 'life' of a record, how it finally comes to nestle in a loving collector's home, from the outset of it coming off the presses with 300 of it's brothers and sisters, to then not have any distribution deal and be handed out or sold at a local gig by the band members. It would then be taken home and played by it's new owner till they got fed up with it, then the kids would play with it, flinging it around the room or yard, or writing on it. It might then get thrown out with loads of other stuff at a yard sale to be picked up by someone who either knows it or is curious about it. It could then end up in a second hand store languishing on a shelf for years until some dealer trawling second hand shops buys it with loads of others, not realising the significance of this particular record. It will then languish some more in another second hand record shop until a record digger finds it and then sells it to a British / Japanese / European dealer, who in turn brings it over the seas and moves it on to a collector of such records. It could then be put in a sales box to be thumbed past for weeks / months / years at different soul nights until that special someone picks it up and is at last introduced to that long looked for want. Jordi mmmmm.... is it just me that finds this story slightly erotic??? man, I hate my vinyl addiction Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mel brat Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 not just the cost how many miles have some travelled ?!!...ive bought US issues from australia ,japan and all over europe ! So much for "reducing ya' carbon footprint"! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Madmandy Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 (edited) Mand Ive got one, (cant remember which one off the top of me head), which has charactures drawn on the sleeve cover, obviously of mates of someones, they are very jazzy orientated how they are drawn, will have to trawl through the boxes and scan and post it. Dawn I have a great one here it is they are of one of my exes and some soulie mates I used to hang with Love the one of Dave spinning Edited July 28, 2008 by Madmandy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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