Tv Ads

[steve]

Where would TV ads be now without Northern soul? it seem like every other advert has got a northern soul track backing

Steve

(Banbury soul club)

[Guest Beeks]

Where would TV ads be now without Northern soul? it seem like every other advert has got a northern soul track backing

Steve

(Banbury soul club)

Really Really pisses me off...these days I find it hard to listen to any of the records featured in ads...Marlena Shaw in the Kentucky advert was the last straw...was one of my favourite soul tracks, now I can't even think of it without a Zinger Burger popping into my head...seems the advertising execs have their teeth into the music at the moment!!

[Gene-r]

"Here Come The Girls" by Ernie K. Doe is one of the better ones IMO.

[Mike]

wonder how much cost is a factor

as in it must be cheaper than them doing own score

and at a guess would reckon that the more obscure and older the track then the lower the cost

anyone in the know on advertising , licencing etc ?

[Guest Mrs Simsy]

wonder how much cost is a factor

as in it must be cheaper than them doing own score

and at a guess would reckon that the more obscure and older the track then the lower the cost

anyone in the know on advertising , licencing etc ?

Thats probably a winning factor!

I agree with Beeker, my friend Jane (who comes to some soul do's & likes the music) has taken to describing the music i love to mutal friends as 'that music from the KFC ad's'!!

[Chalky]

if you worked in advertising an was asked to come up with the music for an ad (as some soulies do for a living) it's probably only natural that you turn to the music you love......no matter how much its gonna p*ss someone off.

[Guest Beeks]

wonder how much cost is a factor

as in it must be cheaper than them doing own score

and at a guess would reckon that the more obscure and older the track then the lower the cost

anyone in the know on advertising , licencing etc ?

Its relatively cheap anyway to be honest Mike, you just need a license from the MCPS which is a blanket license...in otherwords they dont need to chase up individual artists to gain permission to use their songs

[Chalky]

Its relatively cheap anyway to be honest Mike, you just need a license from the MCPS which is a blanket license...in otherwords they dont need to chase up individual artists to gain permission to use their songs

if it's 50 years plus old you don't need owt I don't think, sure it comes into the public domain then.Thats why there is a glut of cheap cds in tescos etc of old singers. That's why singers like Cliff Richard were trying to get the law changed so he didn't lose any royalties on his records. Holland or Belgium is only 25 years I think and US is 90 years, think thats what I read so stand to be corrected if anyone knows different.

Edited July 18, 2008 by chalky

[Guest Mrs Simsy]

if it's 50 years plus old you don't need owt I don't think, sure it comes into the public domain then.Thats why there is a glut of cheap cds in tescos etc of old singers. That's why singers like Cliff Richard were trying to get the law changed so he didn't lose any royalties on his records. Holland or Belgium is only 25 years I think and US is 90 years, think thats what I read so stand to be corrected if anyone knows different.

Really? If i was an artist i would be so pi**ed off about that!

[Guest Bernadette]

Thats probably a winning factor!

I agree with Beeker, my friend Jane (who comes to some soul do's & likes the music) has taken to describing the music i love to mutal friends as 'that music from the KFC ad's'!!

my hubby (who's a non-soulie) does the same...he says 'you going to another one of your KFC dos' cos he knows it winds me up

[Guest Mrs Simsy]

my hubby (who's a non-soulie) does the same...he says 'you going to another one of your KFC dos' cos he knows it winds me up

[Mike]

Its relatively cheap anyway to be honest Mike, you just need a license from the MCPS which is a blanket license...in otherwords they dont need to chase up individual artists to gain permission to use their songs

though its a it more to it than this if using original track not just the song

couldnt the axa ads get clearance to use sam fletcher a few years ago

[Guest Beeks]

if it's 50 years plus old you don't need owt I don't think, sure it comes into the public domain then.Thats why there is a glut of cheap cds in tescos etc of old singers. That's why singers like Cliff Richard were trying to get the law changed so he didn't lose any royalties on his records. Holland or Belgium is only 25 years I think and US is 90 years, think thats what I read so stand to be corrected if anyone knows different.

Im not sure...I have this thing in the back of my head...(it was awhile ago that I done this course) that the artist themselves retain the royalties to their music up to 70 years after their death...but royalties is a completely different subject so im straying now haha

[Chalky]

Im not sure...I have this thing in the back of my head...(it was awhile ago that I done this course) that the artist themselves retain the royalties to their music up to 70 years after their death...but royalties is a completely different subject so im straying now haha

pretty sure 50 years here (unless it's changed recently). Elvis already suffers cause of this over here, some of Cliffs stuff won't be long (if not 50 years already) and neither will the Beatles. Think Cliff wanted 90 years (same as US) as that more or less covers any artists lifetime. Maybe Paul Mooney knows different as he works in this area.

[Ady Croasdell]

TV ads need label owner permission and publishing clearances, the blanket agreement that was mentioned is to do with using music on TV progs in the backgound

[Guest Carrie Mehome]

On another slant the 50 year rule applies to your school photos! When I went to boots the other day to try and get my school photos copied they said the photos had to be over 50 years old before I could get them copied and judging by my school shirt collars the 50 years wasn't up!

[Gene-r]

On another slant the 50 year rule applies to your school photos! When I went to boots the other day to try and get my school photos copied they said the photos had to be over 50 years old before I could get them copied and judging by my school shirt collars the 50 years wasn't up!

Looks like there's hope for me then!

[Crumb]

if it's 50 years plus old you don't need owt I don't think, sure it comes into the public domain then.Thats why there is a glut of cheap cds in tescos etc of old singers. That's why singers like Cliff Richard were trying to get the law changed so he didn't lose any royalties on his records. Holland or Belgium is only 25 years I think and US is 90 years, think thats what I read so stand to be corrected if anyone knows different.

Popcorn told Steve Whittle that after 50 years in the US you had to pay a fee to renew the copyright which is OK if the record was a hit & earns a lot in royalties but the non hits though they earn a lot in total would be uneconomical to renew.

[Guest]

Really Really pisses me off...these days I find it hard to listen to any of the records featured in ads...Marlena Shaw in the Kentucky advert was the last straw...was one of my favourite soul tracks, now I can't even think of it without a Zinger Burger popping into my head...seems the advertising execs have their teeth into the music at the moment!!

I'm the opposite. I get a warm feling inside when a decent tune is on the telly or radio... Would go mental if I heard the majority of them played out though

[Ady Croasdell]

Popcorn told Steve Whittle that after 50 years in the US you had to pay a fee to renew the copyright which is OK if the record was a hit & earns a lot in royalties but the non hits though they earn a lot in total would be uneconomical to renew.

I think that may have been the publishing which you have to renew every so often, if you could do it with the recordings a lot of big pre 50 years ones would have been done by now and they ain't.

[Guest JJMMWGDuPree]

if it's 50 years plus old you don't need owt I don't think, sure it comes into the public domain then... and US is 90 years, think thats what I read so stand to be corrected if anyone knows different.

In the UK it's 50 years from the date of the recording, which I think is crazy. In the US it's 90 years after the death of the artist, which I also think is crazy. Clearance has to be obtained from whoever holds the rights to the performance and whoever holds the rights to the song, so it helps a lot if one organisation holds the rights to both.

Anyone know how many of the soul tracks currently in ad-use are owned by Sony?

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

They are trying to extend the copyright. It's been in music week before and i read that all the time which lets me in on these things in the music industry.

a lot of recordings times are up now. That's why not long ago HMV pressed up and had released some Elvis singles. America get it easy cause they got longer on copyright.

the fact is any recording out of copyright can be released or used on adverts and CD;s etc and the artist won't get a penny from it or not much from it.

adverts are great when they use Northern soul until it goes too far and everyone starts thinking it's the business and you get people singing to the Snake or something