Guest Beeks Posted July 6, 2008 Posted July 6, 2008 Although ive only been on this forum a short time...and granted most of you have been in this scene since before I was a twinkle in my dads eye...as a promoter in Manchester for the last ten years in contemporary soul I feel I have earned a right to speak on this subject. Since I have arrived all I have seen is bickering between various promoters about venues...underhand tactics...over promotion...saturation of nights etc etc... The solution to this is simple...though the old brigade might find it hard to swallow... You need new blood on the scene...you need to promote not just the nights but the music and atmosphere you create... You only have to look at nights like Beat Boutique in Manchester and the relatively new Shake N Fingerpop in Wigan to know that the younger generation are becoming more and more aware of the music all of us love... In contrast...I went to Prestwich last Friday...fantastic night thoroughly enjoyed...great music...friendly atmosphere...but absolutely no sign of young faces...perhaps a smattering here and there...but nothing significant... Now I know all you promoters out there are great at what you do...so are the younger promoters...can there not be a happy medium between the two where you can attract both young and old to your nights? My night used to be busy every week,...and yes I ran it every week...with ages from 18 up to 60+ coming to enjoy good soul music... What im trying to say...and yes im a little long winded...is that you need to actively promote to the younger crowd if this scene has any chance of surviving another 10-20 years...because by then the original soulies...will be too old to go out dancing...then what? Yes I know you can be notoriously snobby when it comes to safeguarding your music...I have had a love affair with it for many years now too...but its sad to say im in the minority...and im in the minority because it is little publicised....hammer the youth of today with enough flyers...actively take an interest in them...and they will come to the nights...im not saying it will be everyones cup of tea...but dont underestimate the youth...they are very clued up these days...and want something to throw themselves into...find a balance and there will be no bickering amongst promoters...because the scene will flourish... Ill give you a parallel...ive been playing holdem poker for 10 years in the casinos...when I started you would find it hard to find a game anywhere...then the internet took off...now you can play it anywhere... THIS SCENE WILL NEVER BE COMMERCIAL!! So you can cut that crap straight away...it will never be mainstream again...so abit of good promotion to the younger generation will NOT damage the integrity of the scene...it will just help keep what we all love alive... Rant over.
Guest bazabod_downunder Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Couldn't agree more, the key is striking a balance, unfortunately it can be a very elusive 'key' indeed, we have an across the board policy & it seems to work especially now here (as I suspect there) the new smoking laws mean that if the DJ is not playing exactly your genre you can nip out for a fag, take a leak or prop up the bar to have a chat...let's face we've all been in the situation where we're having a yarn & then all of a sudden through the speakers comes a sound that you have to drop everything for. I know some'll say'''I only like oldies...I only like newies & so on...just chill out & celebrate Northrn/Rare Soul. KTF Baz this scene will never be commercial!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hear hear young and learned fellow break down the barriers that hold us back,this scene has had people like you for 40 years,they laughed at godin too!!they said stafford,morecombe, was shite ,they were just misguided ,take no notice grab your part(of which i am proud to say there is much)embrace and charge onward!!it is your generation with ears to a timeless monument to feelings and respect that will keep us bustling for another 40 years, regards dougie soulies ,bigger than the masons
Guest rachel Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Oh dear... just what we need for a Monday morning Beeker, I know you're new, but try the site search for "youngsters" or "new blood" and you'll see what I mean.. should give you enough reading for, ooh, about a fortnight
Reg Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) Oh dear... just what we need for a Monday morning Beeker, I know you're new, but try the site search for "youngsters" or "new blood" and you'll see what I mean.. should give you enough reading for, ooh, about a fortnight Ah Rachel you should be encouraging more youngsters... you more than anyone should know that anybody under 25: a. has better records and if they're European than helps ten fold b. can dance better than the geriatrics over 30 c. know tonnes more about what makes a great night out d. ignores politics and petty local squabbles and the scene will die die die I tell you if we are not rescued asap..... Edited July 7, 2008 by reg
Guest Beeks Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Oh dear... just what we need for a Monday morning Beeker, I know you're new, but try the site search for "youngsters" or "new blood" and you'll see what I mean.. should give you enough reading for, ooh, about a fortnight Haha sorry Rach...guess im just lazy...and it was late...so just fancied an incoherant ramble
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 ...so just fancied an incoherant ramble Try freebasin'.
Guest Beeks Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Just been reading a couple of the aforementioned threads...seems alot of you are as bitter and twisted as ever...never mind...when you're all in your 70s with your colostomy bags...i'll keep the flame alive...just leave it to me (God help you all)
Reg Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) Just been reading a couple of the aforementioned threads...seems alot of you are as bitter and twisted as ever...never mind...when you're all in your 70s with your colostomy bags...i'll keep the flame alive...just leave it to me (God help you all) Hey hey Beeker....careful...some of us already are maybe I'll see you at the next Beat Boutique....you'll find me in a corner knitting shreddies Edited July 7, 2008 by reg
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Have ya' seen some of the new blood,they dont take off there back-packs look like ninja-fuckwits get so fukcin' pissed they just stagger round the dance floor brain dead trying to dance with everyone and were twisted and bitter,and this bits for the 100 club lots of folks pissed off with it bring back the membership cause its getting like N/Soul is the background for getting pissed like lift music but for getting pissed ,punters first selling drugs (beer) last.....thats my rant.
Guest Beeks Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Hey hey Beeker....careful...some of us already are maybe I'll see you at the next Beat Boutique....you'll find me in a corner knitting shreddies hahaha Classic
Guest Beeks Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Have ya' seen some of the new blood,they dont take off there back-packs look like ninja-fuckwits get so fukcin' pissed they just stagger round the dance floor brain dead trying to dance with everyone and were twisted and bitter,and this bits for the 100 club lots of folks pissed off with it bring back the membership cause its getting like N/Soul is the background for getting pissed like lift music but for getting pissed ,punters first selling drugs (beer) last.....thats my rant. Thats London for you though innit Ken
Chalky Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Just been reading a couple of the aforementioned threads...seems alot of you are as bitter and twisted as ever...never mind...when you're all in your 70s with your colostomy bags...i'll keep the flame alive...just leave it to me (God help you all) there's a few reasons Beeker. Too many don't care for their own generation let alone the younger generation, they just want to carry on doing what they did in 1977 listening to the same music they did in 1977. Also kids don't want to be seen out with people old enopugh to be their parents and in more than a few cases grandparents The aforementioned venues you run and that others run of a similar nature are not what you would call Northern Soul. Many don't even want ot listen to "new" 60's northern soul let alone introduce contempory soul as you call it. I haven't seen playlists Beat Boutique and Shake and finger....but guess it's more mod orientated????? If owt like the mod doo's I've been to then it's not for the northern scene.
Chalky Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Have ya' seen some of the new blood,they dont take off there back-packs look like ninja-fuckwits get so fukcin' pissed they just stagger round the dance floor brain dead trying to dance with everyone and were twisted and bitter,and this bits for the 100 club lots of folks pissed off with it bring back the membership cause its getting like N/Soul is the background for getting pissed like lift music but for getting pissed ,punters first selling drugs (beer) last.....thats my rant. I said long time ago alcohol would be the downfall of the nighter scene as we knew it. It was much better when all you could get was a soft drink at the bar.
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Thats London for you though innit Ken Unfortunaley it looks like it,N/soul tourism .......awefull !!especialy if ya' a dancer Beeker and attended most 100 clubs for a couple of decades.
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 I said long time ago alcohol would be the downfall of the nighter scene as we knew it. It was much better when all you could get was a soft drink at the bar. Proberly why i like Lifeline's gaff no chance of passing piss heads/tourists spoiling the party.
Guest Beeks Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 there's a few reasons Beeker. Too many don't care for their own generation let alone the younger generation, they just want to carry on doing what they did in 1977 listening to the same music they did in 1977. Also kids don't want to be seen out with people old enopugh to be their parents and in more than a few cases grandparents The aforementioned venues you run and that others run of a similar nature are not what you would call Northern Soul. Many don't even want ot listen to "new" 60's northern soul let alone introduce contempory soul as you call it. I haven't seen playlists Beat Boutique and Shake and finger....but guess it's more mod orientated????? If owt like the mod doo's I've been to then it's not for the northern scene. You be surprised Chalky...you get the odd smattering of Mod you're right...but not so much that it looks like the set of Quadrophenia...the younger Djs are getting alot more clued up...borrowing from the Older DJs from the older nights and learning from them
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 I said long time ago alcohol would be the downfall of the nighter scene as we knew it. It was much better when all you could get was a soft drink at the bar. Theres a idea Chalky why dont Lifeline have a old style no booze nighter never know might be the next big thing,i mean its not as tho' they would lose money behind the bar charge the same prices for pop.
Munchkin Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 I said long time ago alcohol would be the downfall of the nighter scene as we knew it. It was much better when all you could get was a soft drink at the bar. couldnt agree more chalky, how many of us would still go to nighters if there was a non alcohol bar policy...
Little-stevie Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Theres a idea Chalky why dont Lifeline have a old style no booze nighter never know might be the next big thing,i mean its not as tho' they would lose money behind the bar charge the same prices for pop. Good point Ken but a non starter... Without the bar sales they would have to charge about a grand for the hire and then promoters would have to charge 20 quid plus on the door to cover hire charge etc... So many nights have closed down because the bartake was not enough for the management to think it worthwhile...
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 couldnt agree more chalky, how many of us would still go to nighters if there was a non alcohol bar policy... 5. Stupid question how could anyone answer that.Never stopped no-one before so whats changed music first A/A meetings somewhere else !!.
Chalky Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) Theres a idea Chalky why dont Lifeline have a old style no booze nighter never know might be the next big thing,i mean its not as tho' they would lose money behind the bar charge the same prices for pop. Cause at the end of the day Kenny mate, the venue owners make their money from the sale of alcohol, they say they want a bar and there is nothing promoters can do about it. The venue owners can at the end of the day get just as much money and probably more from a "normal" kind of night were all the folk go to get pissed and pull a bird/bloke, unlike the northern scene where the punters intake of alcohol is no where near as much. Take it from me venue owners already complain they don't take enough over the bar and Lifeline have approached many venues in the past only to be told not interested, can make more from a disco and send bar staff home in a taxi at a "reasonable" hour. All-nighters slowly becoming a thing of the past, not so much our ages but because there's no money (or not as much money) in it for the venue owners when NS is promoted. Like you said the all night bar is now attracting local piss heads looking for a late drink which in turn causes antagonism between the soulies and the "locals" due to drunken antics of the idiots. Memberships a great idea....bring 'em back. Edited July 7, 2008 by chalky
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) Good point Ken but a non starter... Without the bar sales they would have to charge about a grand for the hire and then promoters would have to charge 20 quid plus on the door to cover hire charge etc... So many nights have closed down because the bartake was not enough for the management to think it worthwhile... The bar-take would be the same cause we would be buying pop and dancing loads and sweating loads and buying more pop and dancing loads more and so on and on. Edited July 7, 2008 by ken
Guest Beeks Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Cause at the end of the day Kenny mate, the venue owners make their money from the sale of alcohol, they say they want a bar and there is nothing promoters can do about it. The venue owners can at the end of the day get just as much money and probably more from a "normal" kind of night were all the folk go to get pissed and pull a bird/bloke, unlike the northern scene where the punters intake of alcohol is no where near as much. Take it from me venue owners already complain they don't take enough over the bar and Lifeline have approached many venues in the past only to be told not interested, can make more from a disco and send bar staff home in a taxi at a "reasonable" hour. All-nighters slowly becoming a thing of the past, not so much our ages but because there's no money (or not as much money) in it for the venue owners when NS is promoted. Like you said the all night bar is now attracting local piss heads looking for a late drink which in turn causes antagonism between the soulies and the "locals" due to drunken antics of the idiots. Memberships a great idea....bring 'em back. Very Very true Chalky...bar sales are everything to the Venue owners...it was the same with the rave scene...lots of bottled water sales but fook all else...venues hate that...no money in it
Reg Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Cause at the end of the day Kenny mate, the venue owners make their money from the sale of alcohol, they say they want a bar and there is nothing promoters can do about it. The venue owners can at the end of the day get just as much money and probably more from a "normal" kind of night were all the folk go to get pissed and pull a bird/bloke, unlike the northern scene where the punters intake of alcohol is no where near as much. Take it from me venue owners already complain they don't take enough over the bar and Lifeline have approached many venues in the past only to be told not interested, can make more from a disco and send bar staff home in a taxi at a "reasonable" hour. All-nighters slowly becoming a thing of the past, not so much our ages but because there's no money (or not as much money) in it for the venue owners when NS is promoted. Like you said the all night bar is now attracting local piss heads looking for a late drink which in turn causes antagonism between the soulies and the "locals" due to drunken antics of the idiots. Memberships a great idea....bring 'em back. Membership of any known soul club would be fine possibly? Using discretion on the door sometimes works depending on the venue location...you can usually tell when they come in whether they're going to be trouble I think. When I used to do the door for Steve, we would let most people in and they were usually ok. A few were more over enthusiastic shall I say but Steve would have a word and they'd either leave or be fine. Sometimes you'd get people moaning if they paid and then didn't like the music It did help that it was a city centre venue and we had a couple of big lads on the door upstairs. Most people can enjoy a drink without being a pain, remember in the old days there was only no booze because it was against the law
Chalky Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Most people can enjoy a drink without being a pain, remember in the old days there was only no booze because it was against the law and it was better for it too IMHO. You said all your hello's and got all your ale at the soul night warm up. Midnight off you went to dance, buy and sell records etc etc..... Alcohol the root of all evil
Little-stevie Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 The bar-take would be the same cause we would be buying pop and dancing loads and sweating loads and buying more pop and dancing loads more and so on and on. No no Ken.. I would buy one bottle of water and then just fill up from the tap .. My Yorkshire roots maybe
Paul-s Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Although ive only been on this forum a short time...and granted most of you have been in this scene since before I was a twinkle in my dads eye...as a promoter in Manchester for the last ten years in contemporary soul I feel I have earned a right to speak on this subject. Since I have arrived all I have seen is bickering between various promoters about venues...underhand tactics...over promotion...saturation of nights etc etc... The solution to this is simple...though the old brigade might find it hard to swallow... You need new blood on the scene...you need to promote not just the nights but the music and atmosphere you create... You only have to look at nights like Beat Boutique in Manchester and the relatively new Shake N Fingerpop in Wigan to know that the younger generation are becoming more and more aware of the music all of us love... In contrast...I went to Prestwich last Friday...fantastic night thoroughly enjoyed...great music...friendly atmosphere...but absolutely no sign of young faces...perhaps a smattering here and there...but nothing significant... Now I know all you promoters out there are great at what you do...so are the younger promoters...can there not be a happy medium between the two where you can attract both young and old to your nights? My night used to be busy every week,...and yes I ran it every week...with ages from 18 up to 60+ coming to enjoy good soul music... What im trying to say...and yes im a little long winded...is that you need to actively promote to the younger crowd if this scene has any chance of surviving another 10-20 years...because by then the original soulies...will be too old to go out dancing...then what? Yes I know you can be notoriously snobby when it comes to safeguarding your music...I have had a love affair with it for many years now too...but its sad to say im in the minority...and im in the minority because it is little publicised....hammer the youth of today with enough flyers...actively take an interest in them...and they will come to the nights...im not saying it will be everyones cup of tea...but dont underestimate the youth...they are very clued up these days...and want something to throw themselves into...find a balance and there will be no bickering amongst promoters...because the scene will flourish... Ill give you a parallel...ive been playing holdem poker for 10 years in the casinos...when I started you would find it hard to find a game anywhere...then the internet took off...now you can play it anywhere... THIS SCENE WILL NEVER BE COMMERCIAL!! So you can cut that crap straight away...it will never be mainstream again...so abit of good promotion to the younger generation will NOT damage the integrity of the scene...it will just help keep what we all love alive... Rant over. I agree. But, I think a big part of it is location. Its pretty easy to get a younger crowd into a night in Manchester or Cambridge etc. But at the moment, a lot of 'soul' events are in the middle of nowhere!! No matter how many flyers you put out, a young person is very rarely going to take a punt on an event in a village, in the middle of Yorkshire!
Reg Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 and it was better for it too IMHO. You said all your hello's and got all your ale at the soul night warm up. Midnight off you went to dance, buy and sell records etc etc..... Alcohol the root of all evil He he...you're probably right....but we'll never know the path the scene would have taken without those old licensing laws I dread to think
Simsy Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 you need to promote not just the nights but the music and atmosphere you create... Just not sure the overall outcome is the same if you have it spoonfed to you. As said previously, the music's there to be found, all that's needed is the bebotherdness to find it.
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 No no Ken.. I would buy one bottle of water and then just fill up from the tap .. My Yorkshire roots maybe Council pop yuk!!out the bog double yuk!!
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Just not sure the overall outcome is the same if you have it spoonfed to you. As said previously, the music's there to be found, all that's needed is the bebotherdness to find it. Whooh!!,bebotherdness
Guest Beeks Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Just not sure the overall outcome is the same if you have it spoonfed to you. As said previously, the music's there to be found, all that's needed is the bebotherdness to find it. You're so right Ian...but nobody is going to find it if you lock it away in the closet are they? Give them a little taste and the kids with the discerning pallette will find their way on their own
Bazza Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Have ya' seen some of the new blood,they dont take off there back-packs look like ninja-fuckwits get so fukcin' pissed they just stagger round the dance floor brain dead trying to dance with everyone and were twisted and bitter,and this bits for the 100 club lots of folks pissed off with it bring back the membership cause its getting like N/Soul is the background for getting pissed like lift music but for getting pissed ,punters first selling drugs (beer) last.....thats my rant. Im with you on this Ken,as Ive said before ,new blood = handbaggers and trouble causing kids Bazza
Simsy Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 You're so right Ian...but nobody is going to find it if you lock it away in the closet are they? Give them a little taste and the kids with the discerning pallette will find their way on their own Blimey what with the fried chicken ads, Duffy & MTV, the impending Stoke/Wigan film, it's out of the closet and in your living room on a daily basis..
Chalky Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Couldn't agree more, the key is striking a balance, unfortunately it can be a very elusive 'key' indeed, we have an across the board policy & it seems to work especially now here (as I suspect there) the new smoking laws mean that if the DJ is not playing exactly your genre you can nip out for a fag, take a leak or prop up the bar to have a chat...let's face we've all been in the situation where we're having a yarn & then all of a sudden through the speakers comes a sound that you have to drop everything for. I know some'll say'''I only like oldies...I only like newies & so on...just chill out & celebrate Northrn/Rare Soul. KTF Baz Lifeline all-nighters do strike a balance without resorting to the played out same old same oldies you hear week in week out at the majority of venues...air few younger folk in as well. And it's true across the board as well not your Angie Stone's, Drizzabone, King Tutt etc that some consider across the board. The oldies the Dj's at Lifeline play are underplayed or forgotten with the od popular one thrown in but they are dance floor friendly and if you have a policy and stick to it from the opening set it can and does work and they will dance. Lifeline is testament to that with a full house, but as soon as you resort back to your played out same old same thats when your problems start. Load of b*ll*cks when promoters and Dj's say the records aren't out there, they are just plain lazy buggers to idle to look or just too afraid to stick their neck out and try something different.
Guest Beeks Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Blimey what with the fried chicken ads, Duffy & MTV, the impending Stoke/Wigan film, it's out of the closet and in your living room on a daily basis.. HAHAHA!! Ok point conceded...was devestated when KFC played California Soul...it hasnt come out of my box since haha
Guest Mrs Simsy Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Im with you on this Ken,as Ive said before ,new blood = handbaggers and trouble causing kids Bazza Trouble causing kids? It's not that bad! There are a couple of venues that do have a small problem with pi*sheads granted but they're normally sorted with a quiet word. Handbaggers don't cause a problem at the venues that i go to. They normally have a few beers then leave around 2am leaving the soulies to it.
Chalky Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) Maybe there should be like ABTA for travel agents etc etc there should be one for Northern Soul. The National Association of Soul Promoters who joined this association would then be able to advertise as such on flyers and show some sort of kite mark too Promoters who join this assocition would also be able to accept a member from another soul club into their venue just as long as that soul club was was a member too.....just like working mens clubs All venues dates woiuld have to be ratified by the committee and all squabbles and disputes would be settled by an arbitration panel and their decision would be final Edited July 7, 2008 by chalky
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Lifeline all-nighters do strike a balance without resorting to the played out same old same oldies you hear week in week out at the majority of venues...air few younger folk in as well. And it's true across the board as well not your Angie Stone's, Drizzabone, King Tutt etc that some consider across the board. The oldies the Dj's at Lifeline play are underplayed or forgotten with the od popular one thrown in but they are dance floor friendly and if you have a policy and stick to it from the opening set it can and does work and they will dance. Lifeline is testament to that with a full house, but as soon as you resort back to your played out same old same thats when your problems start. Load of b*ll*cks when promoters and Dj's say the records aren't out there, they are just plain lazy buggers to idle to look or just too afraid to stick their neck out and try something different. I've always wondered what you meant with underplayed or forgotten oldies, does that mean you are always striving to rotate your play box and play different stuff?.. surely if there is a record that you consider to be underplayed or forgotten, if you play it enough, it ceases to be underplayed and people will get used to hearing you play it again and it is no longer forgotten?... Confused from Bury...x.
Chalky Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) I've always wondered what you meant with underplayed or forgotten oldies, does that mean you are always striving to rotate your play box and play different stuff?.. surely if there is a record that you consider to be underplayed or forgotten, if you play it enough, it ceases to be underplayed and people will get used to hearing you play it again and it is no longer forgotten?... Confused from Bury...x. it's all about introducing or reintroducing records to the scene that have long been forgotten or rarely played. There's 100's that had maybe three plays before getting dropped from playlists of DJ's, there's loads from different era's that different generations have missed out on, Stafford/80's plays for the Wigan generation who returned mid 90's on, Torch/Wigan etc records the 80's crowd missed out on, the records are there, some great cheap stuff thats never been played because... well it's cheap and it's not good street cred top play a cheap record is it but like I said some just too lazy to look and want ready made floor fillers everyone else plays rather than look for records that no one else is bothering with, trend followers rather than trend setters, or as others call 'em....Sheep I agree once it's had exposure it's no longer forgotten, can still be underplayed as it may only get aired every two months, but the DJ's continue to seek out records that are underplayed and so rotate your play box. Edited July 7, 2008 by chalky
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 it's all about introducing or reintroducing records to the scene that have long been forgotten or rarely played. There's 100's that had maybe three plays before getting dropped from playlists of DJ's, there's loads from different era's that different generations have missed out on, Stafford/80's plays for the Wigan generation who returned mid 90's on, Torch/Wigan etc records the 80's crowd missed out on, the records are there, some great cheap stuff thats never been played because... well it's cheap and it's not good street cred top play a cheap record is it but like I said some just too lazy to look and want ready made floor fillers everyone else plays rather than look for records that no one else is bothering with, trend followers rather than trend setters, or as others call 'em....Sheep I agree once it's had exposure it's no longer forgotten, can still be underplayed as it may only get aired every two months, but the DJ's continue to seek out records that are underplayed and so rotate your play box. Cheers m'dear!. well explained. Must be a hard task to book the right DJ's for that kind of event like Lifeline, surely everyone must be asking for spots.. Must take some determination to keep that kind of policy alive. sorry I'm probably thinking out loud and not explaining what I mean properly, I'll shut up now... Thanks Jayne.x.
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Whooh!!,bebotherdness "Bebotheredness".. LOL the perfect follow on from "Togetherness". I betcha someone nicks that!. Jayne.x.
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Although ive only been on this forum a short time...and granted most of you have been in this scene since before I was a twinkle in my dads eye...as a promoter in Manchester for the last ten years in contemporary soul I feel I have earned a right to speak on this subject. Since I have arrived all I have seen is bickering between various promoters about venues...underhand tactics...over promotion...saturation of nights etc etc... The solution to this is simple...though the old brigade might find it hard to swallow... You need new blood on the scene...you need to promote not just the nights but the music and atmosphere you create... You only have to look at nights like Beat Boutique in Manchester and the relatively new Shake N Fingerpop in Wigan to know that the younger generation are becoming more and more aware of the music all of us love... In contrast...I went to Prestwich last Friday...fantastic night thoroughly enjoyed...great music...friendly atmosphere...but absolutely no sign of young faces...perhaps a smattering here and there...but nothing significant... Now I know all you promoters out there are great at what you do...so are the younger promoters...can there not be a happy medium between the two where you can attract both young and old to your nights? My night used to be busy every week,...and yes I ran it every week...with ages from 18 up to 60+ coming to enjoy good soul music... What im trying to say...and yes im a little long winded...is that you need to actively promote to the younger crowd if this scene has any chance of surviving another 10-20 years...because by then the original soulies...will be too old to go out dancing...then what? Yes I know you can be notoriously snobby when it comes to safeguarding your music...I have had a love affair with it for many years now too...but its sad to say im in the minority...and im in the minority because it is little publicised....hammer the youth of today with enough flyers...actively take an interest in them...and they will come to the nights...im not saying it will be everyones cup of tea...but dont underestimate the youth...they are very clued up these days...and want something to throw themselves into...find a balance and there will be no bickering amongst promoters...because the scene will flourish... Ill give you a parallel...ive been playing holdem poker for 10 years in the casinos...when I started you would find it hard to find a game anywhere...then the internet took off...now you can play it anywhere... THIS SCENE WILL NEVER BE COMMERCIAL!! So you can cut that crap straight away...it will never be mainstream again...so abit of good promotion to the younger generation will NOT damage the integrity of the scene...it will just help keep what we all love alive... Rant over. Who says people want a solution to their problems???.. what would we all have to moan about then!.. Jayne.x.
BrianB Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Have ya' seen some of the new blood,they dont take off there back-packs look like ninja-fuckwits get so fukcin' pissed they just stagger round the dance floor brain dead trying to dance with everyone and were twisted and bitter,and this bits for the 100 club lots of folks pissed off with it bring back the membership cause its getting like N/Soul is the background for getting pissed like lift music but for getting pissed ,punters first selling drugs (beer) last.....thats my rant. Actually Ken, I have seen some of the new blood, and they love the music, dance well, have great dress sense, and whats more, they are really friendly. Why don't you go to the next Beat Boutique, admittedly cos my son is one of the promoters, I may be said to be biased, but I guarantee you will be suprised. Paul has been listening to Northern and Motown all his life, but only by choice from being about 20. He loves the music, wants to play it and wants to keep OUR scene alive for years to come. Why do Paul and his ilk get slagged off everytime someone mentions"young people on the scene"?
Guest Beeks Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) Actually Ken, I have seen some of the new blood, and they love the music, dance well, have great dress sense, and whats more, they are really friendly. Why don't you go to the next Beat Boutique, admittedly cos my son is one of the promoters, I may be said to be biased, but I guarantee you will be suprised. Paul has been listening to Northern and Motown all his life, but only by choice from being about 20. He loves the music, wants to play it and wants to keep OUR scene alive for years to come. Why do Paul and his ilk get slagged off everytime someone mentions"young people on the scene"? Well put Brian...Some of the oldies...(and I say some because its not all...some are very friendly and actively encourage)...just dont like the younger generation poking their noses in...in the early days it was worse...used to get some VERY frossty receptions in Manc...especially the Wheel whenever me and my girlfriend at the time would show up...if it wasnt for the fact im loud and generally dont care what people think about me then to be honest id have been scared off along time ago...fair play to your son Brian...he's doing a grand job... Edited July 7, 2008 by Beeks
Paul-s Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 I've always wondered what you meant with underplayed or forgotten oldies, does that mean you are always striving to rotate your play box and play different stuff?.. surely if there is a record that you consider to be underplayed or forgotten, if you play it enough, it ceases to be underplayed and people will get used to hearing you play it again and it is no longer forgotten?... Confused from Bury...x. Not if you look after it and dont hammer it everytime you play!
Guest Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) Actually Ken, I have seen some of the new blood, and they love the music, dance well, have great dress sense, and whats more, they are really friendly. Why don't you go to the next Beat Boutique, admittedly cos my son is one of the promoters, I may be said to be biased, but I guarantee you will be suprised. Paul has been listening to Northern and Motown all his life, but only by choice from being about 20. He loves the music, wants to play it and wants to keep OUR scene alive for years to come. Why do Paul and his ilk get slagged off everytime someone mentions"young people on the scene"? I know a few young uns meself,pretty good folks except for Kylee its the walk off the street sort i'm not very keen of, i'm all for the youths/young adults on the scene,no students tho' they should be studying plus theyre about the most untrendy people on the planet. Edited July 7, 2008 by ken
Pat Bleasdale Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 Actually Ken, I have seen some of the new blood, and they love the music, dance well, have great dress sense, and whats more, they are really friendly. Why don't you go to the next Beat Boutique, admittedly cos my son is one of the promoters, I may be said to be biased, but I guarantee you will be suprised. Paul has been listening to Northern and Motown all his life, but only by choice from being about 20. He loves the music, wants to play it and wants to keep OUR scene alive for years to come. Why do Paul and his ilk get slagged off everytime someone mentions"young people on the scene"? WENT TO BEAT BOUTIQE.HAD A FANTASTIC TIME. THE MUSIC, PURE QUALITY. THE BOYS THERE DOING A GREAT JOB. I'M 58 AND ALWAYS WANTING TO BE EDUCATED WHEN I GO A SOUL NIGHT. GREAT TO SEE THE "YOUNGSTER" KEEPING IT GOING. PAT.
Dave Rimmer Posted July 9, 2008 Posted July 9, 2008 I said long time ago alcohol would be the downfall of the nighter scene as we knew it. It was much better when all you could get was a soft drink at the bar. That's complete and utter bollocks. I drink quite happily all night. I don't cause fights, I don't spill beer on the dancefloor, and I'm not rude to people. (Apart from Johnny Weston, but that's allowed ) You're trying to take the same fascist approach that the Government took to smoking. You don't like the effect it has on people so ban it. Prohibition re-visited Alcohol doesn't cause any problems at niters. None whatsoever. People do. I don't dispute that some people cause problems after drinking alcohol, but there again, some people drive home after taking amphet. Which is more likely to kill someone. A pissed up bloke at a niter, or someone on drugs in a car ? If we apply your logic to that, let's ban cars because cars kill people. How do you solve the problem though. There's the difficult bit because I have no idea, but just banning it isn't the answer.
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