Radio 2 "the Definitive History Of Uk Dance" Northern Soul

[Thfcliam]

Hi all, heard this yesterday thought it was a bit silly was ok in some parts then went silly, thought I would post it anyway. Started to go on to all the pop stuff.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/ then click on te right "uk dance music"

Edited June 22, 2008 by thfcliam

[Haydn]

I am sure this was a repeat from some time ago, seem to recall listening and switching off that time too!

Ok for average Joe Public, so was correctly placed as a brief account!

[Epic]

Yea - listened to it it - the predictable Levine/Winstanley "my records were better than yours" bollox was in there .

Yawn Yawn.

[Pete S]

Yea - listened to it it - the predictable Levine/Winstanley "my records were better than yours" bollox was in there .

Yawn Yawn.

Totally disagree with you, I thought it was really interesting and the quality of the northern records they played was so good that it might even get us a few new converts - Ty Karim, Volcanos, Morris Chestnut...

[Dave Moore]

Found it just a series of well worn cliches, trotted out by the same people as ever. Of no interest/consequence to me whatsoever I'm afraid. Only so many times you can listen to the same old 'revisionist' anecdotes without thinking...Oh Dear, not again?! It's just boring is all. Couple of quotes did make me cringe...

[Epic]

Totally disagree with you, I thought it was really interesting and the quality of the northern records they played was so good that it might even get us a few new converts - Ty Karim, Volcanos, Morris Chestnut...

Don't think I mentioned the records (they were fine) - noticed you didn't put The Carstairs in your list which got a spin.

Thought Winstanley was classic when he slagged the southerners off for playing James Brown.

[Dean]

So many of these revealing looks it's hard to be bothered by anything reported anymore. Had to smile at a few things (could've easily mis-heard any of these by the way). Chris Hill going to Cleethorpes "disguised", why?? I think it was also Hill (who I do think deserves respect) said "It was like a northern working mens club, men on one side of the room and women on the other" . Grew up in miners welfares, didn't see many women in them at any side of the room (apart from Sat night, then it wasn't a gender division). The idea of a nighter resembling a school disco is funny, seem to recall quite a sense of early liberty and equality. About as useful as the previous channel 4 gaf, "They didn't let me into Wigan because I was black ". Would've thought Zoe could've asked Norman Cook about all that.

Good music clips though.

Nat as good as Little-Stevie's short with those handsome supporting actor types

[Dylan]

Totally disagree with you, I thought it was really interesting and the quality of the northern records they played was so good that it might even get us a few new converts - Ty Karim, Volcanos, Morris Chestnut...

tend to agree with this for a casiual observer interested in learning a bit about northern soul this show was good and the tracks started off good although did drift off a bit as the show went on.

For most people already involved with the scene then its not going to be informative and you are unlikely to learn anything.

This is a mainstream radio station at prime time, it was never going to get a show which is aimed at a relatively small minority in the overall scheme of things.

[Pete S]

Don't think I mentioned the records (they were fine) - noticed you didn't put The Carstairs in your list which got a spin.

I did say great quality records, not audio excretia

[Pete S]

Found it just a series of well worn cliches, trotted out by the same people as ever. Of no interest/consequence to me whatsoever I'm afraid. Only so many times you can listen to the same old 'revisionist' anecdotes without thinking...Oh Dear, not again?! It's just boring is all. Couple of quotes did make me cringe...

So if you'd never heard of northern soul are you saying you wouldn't have learned anything from the program?

[Dave Moore]

So if you'd never heard of northern soul are you saying you wouldn't have learned anything from the program?

Not at all Pete, I'm saying that as DEFINITIVE HISTORY (and that's what it was billed as), it came up extremely short in my opinion is all and I'm afraid I found it very boring. Same old people droning on and on about what THEY perceive as the history of soul in UK. It's more like THEIR history in my opinion. No mention of the music at all hardly, it was just background. Egos out front, music at the back. Not much changed there then eh?

"The majority of the people were Northern labourers for whom the Mecca was a fantasy from their dull as dishwater lives." - Romanticism gone wild.

The James Brown comment sort of summed it up. I'd say the description should have said 'potted history". That would have been nearer the mark.

Edited June 22, 2008 by Dave Moore

[Pete S]

Not at all Pete, I'm saying that as DEFINITIVE HISTORY (and that's what it was billed as), it came up extremely short in my opinion is all and I'm afraid I found it very boring. Same old people droning on and on about what THEY perceive as the history of soul in UK. It's more like THEIR history in my opinion. No mention of the music at all hardly, it was just background. Egos out front, music at the back. Not much changed there then eh?

"The majority of the people were Northern labourers for whom the Mecca was a fantasy from their dull as dishwater lives." - Romanticism gone wild.

The James Brown comment sort of summed it up. I'd say the description should have said 'potted history". That would have been nearer the mark.

...I liked the statement "no one ever got arrested for drugs at Wigan"

[Dylan]

Not at all Pete, I'm saying that as DEFINITIVE HISTORY (and that's what it was billed as), it came up extremely short in my opinion is all and I'm afraid I found it very boring. Same old people droning on and on about what THEY perceive as the history of soul in UK. It's more like THEIR history in my opinion. No mention of the music at all hardly, it was just background. Egos out front, music at the back. Not much changed there then eh?

"The majority of the people were Northern labourers for whom the Mecca was a fantasy from their dull as dishwater lives." - Romanticism gone wild.

The James Brown comment sort of summed it up. I'd say the description should have said 'potted history". That would have been nearer the mark.

you didn't expect to be pleasently suprised by this show did you ?

its exactly as I expected it to be and I suspect you as well surely.....

[Dave Moore]

...I liked the statement "no one ever got arrested for drugs at Wigan"

OR

There wasn't one single fight at the Casino with 4 million visitors over 8 years.

[Dave Moore]

you didn't expect to be pleasently suprised by this show did you ?

its exactly as I expected it to be and I suspect you as well surely.....

You live in hope though eh? I suppose you're right, I expected something a little better than this though. Ah well, maybe next time.

[FrankM]

About as useful as the previous channel 4 gaf, "They didn't let me into Wigan because I was black"

BBC 4 according to Soul Source produced Soul Brittania but you may be referring to another programme as your quote doesn't appear.

Ian Levine, Jazzy B, Kevin Rowland , Enoch powell and other loud mouths

[Dean]

BBC 4 according to Soul Source produced Soul Brittania but you may be referring to another programme as your quote doesn't appear.

Ian Levine, Jazzy B, Kevin Rowland , Enoch powell and other loud mouths

Yeh, that's the one I was thinking of, me and my little memory. Remember the thread better than the programme!

[Guest Ste Brazil]

OR

There wasn't one single fight at the Casino with 4 million visitors over 8 years.

I didn't go to the Casino as i was too young but that statement always makes me laugh, i've heard loads of stories about fights, the lights being switched on and bouncers chasing people around the place, i also liked the bit where Russ says something like 'Only maybe 15% took drugs' I find that totally impossible to believe, its much higher than that these days!!?

Ste.

[Jerry Hipkiss]

I didn't go to the Casino as i was too young but that statement always makes me laugh, i've heard loads of stories about fights, the lights being switched on and bouncers chasing people around the place

Ste.

Now ain't that strange - in all my nights at Wigan I never saw any of the above...maybe I was looking the wrong way (or had my head in a record box, more likely )

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

I don't think it's all that bad in what has been played to represent Northern soul. Especially for someone who does not know what it is.

However as i would say it's not easy trying to pick songs to represent Northern soul

Edited June 23, 2008 by WPaulVanDyk

[Mike]

Well for people who don't Northern soul surely this could have had some impact in finding it out with the chosen choice of music. Still what you play if you had say 1 hour to come with up a suitable playlist of about 10 records to play while being able to talk about what is played

sorry mate

that comes over as total nonsense to me

can you re-phase it

[Guest in town Mikey]

I listened to this again while sat in a traffic jam on saturday evening.

i had to turn it off. Rave music and the post rave clubbing stuff does nothing for me.

The final straw was some burke who ran a club in London, possibly the Fridge. Billed as the managing director of the club, he stated that the first allnighter licence for a club ever in London was his club in 91 or 92? I couldnt quite hear because I was already in rant mode. Or should I say i was ravin!

Edited July 7, 2008 by in town Mikey