Sean Hampsey Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 No but seriously - it does get my back up a bit because it's being told I must like something or I can't like soul music. I do detest modern soul but it's easy to avoid hearing it. To the chap who said 30 year old records aren't modern soul, yes they are, it's a LABEL/DESCRIPTION for the style of music, not the age of the record. And also to reiterate, I love those early to mid 70's dancers like East Coast Connection, Norma Jenkins, Life, Gentlemen & Their Lady, Marvin Holmes, The Nights, Skullsnaps etc etc, love 'em. Just hate plinky plonky syndrum disco shite No but seriously - it does get my back up a bit because it's being told I must like something or I can't like soul music. I agree with you Pete, and I've often sided with you on this, on this very forum. I also hate 'plinky plonky' disco shite. It's not real SOUL and that (your) description is cock on! But... I reckon there MUST be tunes that are every bit as good as the Marvin Holmes, Life, Skullsnaps etc that weren't discovered during the 'Northern' heyday and that, if you (and others) were to hear them you'd love 'em just as much! Just can't think of any right now though What about my 'Uptempo Soul' track? Any good? Shades of Lou Pride? Anyone? Sean
Sean Hampsey Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 UPTEMPO SOUL Any Good? As good as Kings-Go Whatsit?
Sutty Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Why do you think people are forcing you to listen to it, driving people off the scene......we do listen to your music. But do you own this music, is it yours!!!!!! This is a soul forum. I for one, was reared on Northern and always will be greatfully for my soul roots. Pete, I have been somewhere else EMS and found that the only good folk on there are also on here A handfull of true soul folks. Who do seriously appreciate the whole 60's to current day release's. I have been red carded from EMS but leave you and many other with this statement: "My arse shows no blisters from the EMS slide. I am here to enjoy a more soulfull ride." @ Swiftnick. seeing as you brought it up on here, although why I fail to see, it must be eating away at you LOL - you were suspended from EMS not because of the music people do and don't like on there, but because your flurry of mails consisted of personal insults to other members telling them to 'go f**k themselves' and the like, and not for the first time. So stop playing all superior and hurt and accept the fact that you continually broke forum rules and were just being personally insulting to the other members, and generally behaving like a spoilt immature child. bye
Pauldonnelly Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 seeing as you brought it up on here, although why I fail to see, it must be eating away at you LOL - you were suspended from EMS not because of the music people do and don't like on there, but because your flurry of mails consisted of personal insults to other members telling them to 'go f**k themselves' and the like, and not for the first time. So stop playing all superior and hurt and accept the fact that you continually broke forum rules and were just being personally insulting to the other members, and generally behaving like a spoilt immature child. bye Blimey sound like the bloke I stole 1000 french blues off in 1972...please forgive me?
Guest Gavin Page Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Blimey sound like the bloke I stole 1000 french blues off in 1972...please forgive me? What was the difference between a french blue and a english blue, thats what I would like to know??
Peter99 Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 If I was a Jazz Policeman I'd arrest all their records and f*cking burn them. PMSL
TOAD Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Blimey sound like the bloke I stole 1000 french blues off in 1972...please forgive me? YOU ARE FORGIVEN AS LONG AS YOU SHARED THEM OUT
Sean Hampsey Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 What was the difference between a french blue and a english blue, thats what I would like to know?? Garlic.
Bazza Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 Please dont let,s go round this bloody circle again .Calling stuff which is (IN SOME CASES) 30,odd years old modern is patently ridiculous.If you dont like 70,s and later soul music ,fine,just get on with it You dont get it it do you, , you just dont get it .. ,BTW, I dont hate all " Modern " tunes I,E, stuff made after 1969, quite like some of em,but I prefer the 60s sound . Bazza
Guest Modern Skip Tone Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 seeing as you brought it up on here, although why I fail to see, it must be eating away at you LOL - you were suspended from EMS not because of the music people do and don't like on there, but because your flurry of mails consisted of personal insults to other members telling them to 'go f**k themselves' and the like, and not for the first time. So stop playing all superior and hurt and accept the fact that you continually broke forum rules and were just being personally insulting to the other members, and generally behaving like a spoilt immature child. bye No hurt, not playing superior, lots of personal insults (2 only to two members), broke the rules and generally behaving like an arse. Thanks for the farewell....... I always shared my french and speckled blues, pressed in tab or cap form.
Bazza Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 (edited) I know we say tongue in cheek, 1969 midnight, was the day it all changed , the change was from the raw sound of the 60s to the mushy " Modern " sound of the 70s , and it was around the late 60s to the early 70s ,if you cant tell the differerance from a 60s to a 70s tune .....get your lugholes washed out .... Bazza Edited June 19, 2008 by bazza
Jez Jones Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 never had you down as an 'elitest' Peter During the late days of the Torch some new releases started to do the biz, First Choice--this is the house, Tower of Power ---This time its real, Denise Laselle--Do Me Right..and many many more... They started me on on a quest to discover soul, and although the first 18months at Wigan were without doubt the best I'll ever remember the blinkers that those who DID the casino dj rosta with regard to new releases (modern) was scandalous imo so much so that the dross come 1975 that was coming out of Station Rd forced me out of the GREAT venue to find solitude in my own all nighter THE WIRRINA Peterborough....60's Nothern in 1975 pushed me away from soul Add to those lj reynolds ---Penguin Breakdown Millie jackson --My mans a sweet man Archie Bell----Here I go again etc Was this the crossover(not in that sense ) Not a definitive date more a sound change which wasn't analysed at the time. Just a continuing trend of 'stompers'. Who were the dj's that broke these did they think at the time they were not traditional northern fayre Us punters weren't that bothered . At that time everyone was like a sponge for more of the like and dj's had to satisfy that craving. If you go into things to deeply(you go up your own arse but seriously) These type of northern /new northern/ classic stompers what ever you want to call them were lapped up and not judged. People had no time /inclination to judge----just got on with it
Bazza Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 never had you down as an 'elitest' Peter During the late days of the Torch some new releases started to do the biz, First Choice--this is the house, Tower of Power ---This time its real, Denise Laselle--Do Me Right..and many many more... They started me on on a quest to discover soul, and although the first 18months at Wigan were without doubt the best I'll ever remember the blinkers that those who DID the casino dj rosta with regard to new releases (modern) was scandalous imo so much so that the dross come 1975 that was coming out of Station Rd forced me out of the GREAT venue to find solitude in my own all nighter THE WIRRINA Peterborough....60's Nothern in 1975 pushed me away from soul This tune is a typical example of when the scene went off the rails a bit,now although its a nice tune,its got no soul at all ,its a modern pop tune, just my opinion of it Bazza
jocko Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 This tune is a typical example of when the scene went off the rails a bit,now although its a nice tune,its got no soul at all ,its a modern pop tune, just my opinion of it Bazza Bazz that is one of the most ridiculous comments on here yet (and that is saying something). Denise LaSalle has no soul!!!, And you are judging it on its a 70's backing against a 60's forget the f**ck*g voice behind it. That just shows a gross misunderstanding of soul music (and we are not talking Northern here, you said soul) and to quote your phrase you obviously just don't get it. I have no issue with people just liking Northern on a 60's basis, but why people with this taste only then preach on what is soul and what is not is just ridiculous. Go and listen to a Denise LaSalle ballad or a Soul Children 70's LP and tell me they are not soul F**k sake, its times like this you realise just how many Northern fans don't actually like soul. Thank F**k I am young enough to have come along when I did (late 70's), thanks to Searling, Salter, Hampsey Mannion Paul "Trouble" Anderson etc etc I am proud to be a soul fan who also happens to like soulful Northern. Another gin waiter, forget the tonic.
jocko Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 No but seriously - it does get my back up a bit because it's being told I must like something or I can't like soul music. I do detest modern soul but it's easy to avoid hearing it. To the chap who said 30 year old records aren't modern soul, yes they are, it's a LABEL/DESCRIPTION for the style of music, not the age of the record. And also to reiterate, I love those early to mid 70's dancers like East Coast Connection, Norma Jenkins, Life, Gentlemen & Their Lady, Marvin Holmes, The Nights, Skullsnaps etc etc, love 'em. Just hate plinky plonky syndrum disco shite I am glad I read this backwards or would have had a go at you for earlier statements I don't think many people now have a problem with this Pete, you have argued this view well, I particularly agree with the preaching bit, although like most people when I hear a record I love for the first time, I can be a bit over the top in sharing. I think the view on what is "Northern" also depends on when you came along, I started big time in 79, so 70's records were the norm to me, but not to a lot of the busload going home who would throw things at me for dancing to "newies" (I also dont remember the term Modern Soul from then), not really sure they differentiated about 70's etc. As to what is a Modern Soul record, its different things to different people, and really if you do know about post 60's stuff, you will expect different kinds of modern depending on DJ/Venue. I do agree with Steve G (again) it seems daft calling 70's records etc Modern, but no dafter in reality than calling the wide selection of music we call Northern. Each to their own, I just expect a majority of Soul music whereever I go and I will choose the venue depending on what era I want to hear, arguably a good position. Only last comment is all the "born again" Northerners, many who ironically are now discovering 70's, are now doing to these what they did to 60's oldies and turning them into the records that make you wake up in a cold sweat at the thought of hearing it again.............maybe that will stop them being called Modern!!
Bazza Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 Bazz that is one of the most ridiculous comments on here yet (and that is saying something). Denise LaSalle has no soul!!!, And you are judging it on its a 70's backing against a 60's forget the f**ck*g voice behind it. That just shows a gross misunderstanding of soul music (and we are not talking Northern here, you said soul) and to quote your phrase you obviously just don't get it. I have no issue with people just liking Northern on a 60's basis, but why people with this taste only then preach on what is soul and what is not is just ridiculous. Go and listen to a Denise LaSalle ballad or a Soul Children 70's LP and tell me they are not soul F**k sake, its times like this you realise just how many Northern fans don't actually like soul. Thank F**k I am young enough to have come along when I did (late 70's), thanks to Searling, Salter, Hampsey Mannion Paul "Trouble" Anderson etc etc I am proud to be a soul fan who also happens to like soulful Northern. Another gin waiter, forget the tonic. I never said that,I said that particular record, in my opinion is a pop record,and yes it has no soul,I never said Denise LaSelle,has no soul, you making it up as you go along Bazza
jocko Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 I never said that,I said that particular record, in my opinion is a pop record,and yes it has no soul,I never said Denise LaSelle,has no soul, you making it up as you go along Bazza Okay define soul in that context and compare it with a straight ahead Northern record and 60's R&B record so I can understand your context.
Bazza Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 (edited) Okay define soul in that context and compare it with a straight ahead Northern record and 60's R&B record so I can understand your context. you can not define soul, but Ill give you an example of what I mean the four tops bernedette....soul loco in acapulco ...pop record Have been known to be wrong though Bazza Just adding to this, some may say they are both pop records and some may say they are soul, its as feeling,a personal thing to some extent Edited June 19, 2008 by bazza
Mark R Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 I have no issue with people just liking Northern on a 60's basis, but why people with this taste only then preach on what is soul and what is not is just ridiculous. Go and listen to a Denise LaSalle ballad or a Soul Children 70's LP and tell me they are not soul F**k sake, its times like this you realise just how many Northern fans don't actually like soul. Spot on Jock.......I wish I was as eloquent as you mate!!! Cheers, Mark R
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 No but seriously - it does get my back up a bit because it's being told I must like something or I can't like soul music. I do detest modern soul but it's easy to avoid hearing it. To the chap who said 30 year old records aren't modern soul, yes they are, it's a LABEL/DESCRIPTION for the style of music, not the age of the record. And also to reiterate, I love those early to mid 70's dancers like East Coast Connection, Norma Jenkins, Life, Gentlemen & Their Lady, Marvin Holmes, The Nights, Skullsnaps etc etc, love 'em. Just hate plinky plonky syndrum disco shite I think a lot of people would argue that "Like Her" - Gentlemen & Their Lady is precisely the kind of disco shite you profess to hate Pete! Weird innit. I like a lot of Disco but I HATE Gentlemen & Their Lady....... Ian D
SteveM Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 I know we say tongue in cheek, 1969 midnight, was the day it all changed , the change was from the raw sound of the 60s to the mushy " Modern " sound of the 70s , and it was around the late 60s to the early 70s ,if you cant tell the differerance from a 60s to a 70s tune .....get your lugholes washed out .... Bazza Motown 68/69 sounds a whole lot different to the 65/66 stuff Bazza. Funkier. Harder edged to some extent. The broad spectrum changed before 31/12/69 as has been said. Its an arbitary date used solely to present an argument. Why start the thread in the first place btw ? Steve
SteveM Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Bazz that is one of the most ridiculous comments on here yet (and that is saying something). Denise LaSalle has no soul!!!, And you are judging it on its a 70's backing against a 60's forget the f**ck*g voice behind it. That just shows a gross misunderstanding of soul music (and we are not talking Northern here, you said soul) and to quote your phrase you obviously just don't get it. I have no issue with people just liking Northern on a 60's basis, but why people with this taste only then preach on what is soul and what is not is just ridiculous. Go and listen to a Denise LaSalle ballad or a Soul Children 70's LP and tell me they are not soul F**k sake, its times like this you realise just how many Northern fans don't actually like soul. Thank F**k I am young enough to have come along when I did (late 70's), thanks to Searling, Salter, Hampsey Mannion Paul "Trouble" Anderson etc etc I am proud to be a soul fan who also happens to like soulful Northern. Another gin waiter, forget the tonic.
Epic Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 I think a lot of people would argue that "Like Her" - Gentlemen & Their Lady is precisely the kind of disco shite you profess to hate Pete! Weird innit. I like a lot of Disco but I HATE Gentlemen & Their Lady....... Ian D To coin an old Major Lance phrase "It's The Beat"
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Also how would you classify N.F. Porters "Keep On Keeping On" and the Fuller Brother's "Time's A Wasting"? I seem to remember buying both of 'em as new releases from Record Corner in the 70's along with First Choice...... Ian D
Roger Williams Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Also how would you classify N.F. Porters "Keep On Keeping On" and the Fuller Brother's "Time's A Wasting"? I seem to remember buying both of 'em as new releases from Record Corner in the 70's along with First Choice...... I'd classify them as 70s records.
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 I'd classify them as 70s records. And you'd be right LOL! Ian D
Bazza Posted June 20, 2008 Author Posted June 20, 2008 Motown 68/69 sounds a whole lot different to the 65/66 stuff Bazza. Funkier. Harder edged to some extent. The broad spectrum changed before 31/12/69 as has been said. Its an arbitary date used solely to present an argument. Why start the thread in the first place btw ? Steve Hi Steve, from my first post ,it should have been obvious it was a light hearted wind up ,but some folk always take things too seriously , Bazza
Epic Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Also how would you classify N.F. Porters "Keep On Keeping On" and the Fuller Brother's "Time's A Wasting"? I seem to remember buying both of 'em as new releases from Record Corner in the 70's along with First Choice...... Ian D It's very simple really - as my signature has said since the first day of me posting on here. All records were modern once !!!!!!!!!!!!!
spot Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 I agree with Epic, they were all modern once upon a time & some of the stuff people class as modern now is a least 30+ years old & how modern is that??? My feeling is modern is of today/of the moment & some of it I like but the 8 minute two step repetative stuff I cannot bide but each to their own. Take care,be safe & remember, "Two step is for pensioners & drunks", Spot.
Pete S Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 I think a lot of people would argue that "Like Her" - Gentlemen & Their Lady is precisely the kind of disco shite you profess to hate Pete! Weird innit. I like a lot of Disco but I HATE Gentlemen & Their Lady....... Ian D Like the man says - it's the beat - the 4/4 beat
jocko Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Like the man says - it's the beat - the 4/4 beat Most US vocal house has 4/4 beat and many have great vocals. is this the new Northern? 5000 word thesis required on this I think!
Jez Jones Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 And you'd be right LOL! Ian D Classified as 70's and probably best known as northern stompers?
Pete S Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Most US vocal house has 4/4 beat and many have great vocals. is this the new Northern? 5000 word thesis required on this I think! No, that's electronic music digitally recorded, it's as far removed from northern soul as is mongolian nose flute music or 80's soul
Roger Williams Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Most US vocal house has 4/4 beat and many have great vocals. is this the new Northern? It was hailed as such about ten years ago.
SteveM Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Don't knock it. I'm a big fan of that too! 60's and 70's Sean ?
Chalky Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 without me reading three pages of definitions....have you all reached a conclusion on the definition of modern
Roger Williams Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 without me reading three pages of definitions....have you all reached a conclusion on the definition of modern Guess!!
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 It's very simple really - as my signature has said since the first day of me posting on here. All records were modern once !!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually this wasn't aimed at you Epic. I happen to agree with your signature. I just thought that N.F. Porter and The Fuller Brothers were two good examples of 70's releases which were huge at the Torch and pure Northern Soul.... Ian D
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 I agree with Epic, they were all modern once upon a time & some of the stuff people class as modern now is a least 30+ years old & how modern is that??? My feeling is modern is of today/of the moment & some of it I like but the 8 minute two step repetative stuff I cannot bide but each to their own. Take care,be safe & remember, "Two step is for pensioners & drunks", Spot. Well that's me on both counts then! Ian D
jocko Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 No, that's electronic music digitally recorded, it's as far removed from northern soul as is mongolian nose flute music or 80's soul Cmon Pete, another 4779 words to explain why not, and you didn't mention that earlier you just said 4/4/ beat, you need to be clearer on what you dislike!
jocko Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 It was hailed as such about ten years ago. I know, I was being a bit cheeky. I would say even earlier than that, about the time I retired and went over to house clubs proper, it sounded just a little bit different in the hands of people like Trouble Anderson for some reason!!!
Pete S Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Cmon Pete, another 4779 words to explain why not, and you didn't mention that earlier you just said 4/4/ beat, you need to be clearer on what you dislike! Well thats a bit unfair, I said I disliked "plinky plonky syndrum disco shite" and house music, correct me if I'm wrong, uses synthesised or programmed drums i.e. played by a machine, so it does fall under my category.
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 I know, I was being a bit cheeky. I would say even earlier than that, about the time I retired and went over to house clubs proper, it sounded just a little bit different in the hands of people like Trouble Anderson for some reason!!! 'Cos he's a serious bloke! I realised his natural genius when he played a live mix of Serious Intention's "You Don't Know - Remix" and mixed "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" all the way throughout the long intro and came in beat perfect @ the sweet spot! His gig's were always rockin'! Where did you catch him Jocko? Were you living down South in the mid-late 80's? Oh, yeah, I'm digging out those 10 Northern/Modern tracks to post, so that'll be tomorrow 'cos I'm prepping the Sunday's radio show, OK? But I'm also having to go through the DJ International catalogue for a 3CD 'best-of' so I'm immersed in House this week LOL... So any hidden killers on DJ International folks? I've found a few already........... And 'Trouble's' great! He did Classic House Mastercuts 2 which I'm now gonna play for inspiration! Ian D
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