Ravins On Ristic

[paultp]

I spotted this on eBay and was going to bid on it cos I thought it was fantastic even in this condition but it went silly, I just have expensive tastes .

Never heard it before, so does it get plays?

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=160247812524

(Hope the sound file is still there)

Cheers

Paul

P.S. Someone asked about it back in 2005 on this forum but got no answers

[John Reed]

I spotted this on eBay and was going to bid on it cos I thought it was fantastic even in this condition but it went silly, I just have expensive tastes .

Never heard it before, so does it get plays?

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=160247812524

(Hope the sound file is still there)

Cheers

Paul

P.S. Someone asked about it back in 2005 on this forum but got no answers

"Your Love" is great, I love the chanking guitars. IMO "No One" is the better side for me.

[Chalky]

Andy Dyson spin. "Your Love" sounds fantastic played LOUD in a venue.

Edited June 12, 2008 by chalky

[Soulof]

Andy Dyson spin. "Your Love" sounds fantastic played LOUD in a venue.

Heard someone play this in Stockholm as well few years back Marco Santucci maybe ?? Love it myself!

[Dylan]

I might be wrong but i'm sure this is the 2nd copy to go through ebay recently ?

both sold for a lot of money.

Prehaps it was same copy being resold ?

[Prophonics 2029]

Also on a Kent CD Topper stuff, CD's are a great way to find out what's going on.

[Chalky]

I might be wrong but i'm sure this is the 2nd copy to go through ebay recently ?

both sold for a lot of money.

Prehaps it was same copy being resold ?

could be, the one before was f*cked too if I remember rightly. Very rare record.

[boba]

could be, the one before was f*cked too if I remember rightly. Very rare record.

I'm pretty sure it was not the same copy being resold, the first copy was even more trashed and went for like $4400 to one of the new york collectors that is on here, if I remember correctly

[Chalky]

I'm pretty sure it was not the same copy being resold, the first copy was even more trashed and went for like $4400 to one of the new york collectors that is on here, if I remember correctly

couldn't remember how bad it was, just that it was bad. Looked on t'ebay for a past link but couldn't find one.

[Marc Forrest]

In fact it was up three times, first one , second one (really bad shape) via Brad from detroit which did not sell, third copy (same?) again via Brad which sold. Isn`t Bucth also giving this a spin here and there ? I am sure I have heard that tune by different DJ`s already.

Marc

[Chalky]

In fact it was up three times, first one , second one (really bad shape) via Brad from detroit which did not sell, third copy (same?) again via Brad which sold. Isn`t Bucth also giving this a spin here and there ? I am sure I have heard that tune by different DJ`s already.

Marc

I only knew of two copies before the 2 or 3 on ebay, one on Tim's auctiuon and another a mate bought recently. Not heard Butch spin it, mind you not been out for a good few weeks until Cleethorpes

[Sharlow45]

I DJed with Brad at the Ann Arbor Soul Club last weekend, and he played that Ravins. It may have been trashed, but it sounded great blasting out of the club speakers....and the 200 people slam dancing to it seemed to approve as well!

Dave Hamilton is the business....gospel, funk, jazz, soul, weird poetry records......dude did it all and did it all well.

Scott

Edited June 12, 2008 by sharlow45

[Pomonkey]

Yes up 3 times recently, involved 2 actual copies in similar condition, the 1st is indeed now living in NYC, then Brad went a bit opportunist and listed one with an even higher buy-it-now than the 1st finished at, no takers on that so he relisted it again at a low starting bid and cheekycarlie just won it.

[Dylan]

will it be making an appearance in refosoul i'd like to hear a clip from both sides. The 2nd auction (I think) had an auction player but I couldn;t get it to work.

or mp3 by e-mail anybody

[Quinvy]

Yep! Tim auctioned it, and Andy started playing it? Same copy Chalky?

I've had it on cd for yonks but thought it was unissued.

Like Chalky says, it does sound fantastic played out.

[Chalky]

Yep! Tim auctioned it, and Andy started playing it? Same copy Chalky?

I've had it on cd for yonks but thought it was unissued.

Like Chalky says, it does sound fantastic played out.

Not the same copy Phil. Andy playing it long before Tim auctioned it.

Edited June 12, 2008 by chalky

[Quinvy]

Not the same copy Phil. Andy playing it long before Tim auctioned it.

Thanks for clearing that up Chalky....just a coincidence then.....hope you are coming too mate, after your fall.....long time no see...

[Soulof]

Still I´m 100 % sure this got played in Sweden years back. thought it was unreleased so got surprised it came on . Kitch, Dean Anderson., Tony S, Marco or ا ب ج ح خ ع غ ق ك م ه و ي someone def played it

[Ezzie Brown]

heard it out recently,but where?? andy d ,? or did steve green have it on cd????????? i know he was after one before he sold up............. great stuff, ez

[Corbett80]

Awesome Detroit rhythm & soul.....is it a fairly recent discovery or has rarity just kept it from being heard?

[Chalky]

heard it out recently,but where?? andy d ,? or did steve green have it on cd????????? i know he was after one before he sold up............. great stuff, ez

it'll be Andy Dyson who spun it Ezzie.

Awesome Detroit rhythm & soul.....is it a fairly recent discovery or has rarity just kept it from being heard?

rarity probably that has stopped it being heard. I only knew of couple of copies till the few recently.....there could have been others of course but never heard it out before Andy really.

[tim smithers]

Been watching the last 3 ebay listings with interest, now more people have taken an interest, there's sure to be more surfacing

[Dysonsoul]

Regarding the ravins 45 i've known about it for a lot of years ,initially martin koppel but never had a sniff of it i got it around 6 years ago.it's funny cos i spoke to gilly about it in passing he'd never seen it or for that matter ever really looked for it even when he met dave hamilton and became good friends with him,other records were on the agenda ie james lately,tobi lark's etc.. tunes that were invogue at the time.i know he told me he left stuff at dave's (am sure if he'd seen the ravins there he'd have picked it up) so pretty sure it's a very hard record but more importantly a fabulous throwback 100 mile per hour dancer of the hey day years at their best !

browny only picked it up recently contrary to his light hearted jibes at me in manifesto stating he'd put me onto it.. can't help but like him...

i'm sure there is the odd copies here and there but i only know about the ones mentioned earlier in the post,strange cos the others on the label are relatively easy to find.lastly all this is testament to the incredibly talented allrounder in dave hamilton !

[Colsoul]

it'll be Andy Dyson who spun it Ezzie.

rarity probably that has stopped it being heard. I only knew of couple of copies till the few recently.....there could have been others of course but never heard it out before Andy really.

[Colsoul]

andy played it at the last wilton cracking record first time ive heard i out but knew it from dave hamiltons cd ,colin,

[Ady Croasdell]

Regarding the ravins 45 i've known about it for a lot of years ,initially martin koppel but never had a sniff of it i got it around 6 years ago.it's funny cos i spoke to gilly about it in passing he'd never seen it or for that matter ever really looked for it even when he met dave hamilton and became good friends with him,other records were on the agenda ie james lately,tobi lark's etc.. tunes that were invogue at the time.i know he told me he left stuff at dave's (am sure if he'd seen the ravins there he'd have picked it up) so pretty sure it's a very hard record but more importantly a fabulous throwback 100 mile per hour dancer of the hey day years at their best !

browny only picked it up recently contrary to his light hearted jibes at me in manifesto stating he'd put me onto it.. can't help but like him...

i'm sure there is the odd copies here and there but i only know about the ones mentioned earlier in the post,strange cos the others on the label are relatively easy to find.lastly all this is testament to the incredibly talented allrounder in dave hamilton !

And of course it was Gilly who put Kent on to the whole Dave Hamilton deal. However check with Gillly again as I'm sure the copy we scanned was his via Chris Ashby.

[Blackpoolsoul]

I wasn't a member in 2008 and funnily enough that was when I heard it out (can't remember where though)

Found the credits and wondered if we know who the group were ?

YOUR LOVE IS WHAT I WANT; w & m Al
Johnson, Henry Bolten & Edward
Anderson. 1 p. © Al Johnson;
13Feb69; EU99173.

NO ONE CAN TAKE THE PLACE OF YOU; w
& m Al Johnson, Curtis Wood & Edward
Anderson. 2 p. © Al Johnson;
13Feb69; EU99172.

[Tomangoes]

Al Johnson of this fame?

Ed

[Wheelsville1]

24 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

I wasn't a member in 2008 and funnily enough that was when I heard it out (can't remember where though)

Found the credits and wondered if we know who the group were ?

YOUR LOVE IS WHAT I WANT; w & m Al
Johnson, Henry Bolten & Edward
Anderson. 1 p. © Al Johnson;
13Feb69; EU99173.

NO ONE CAN TAKE THE PLACE OF YOU; w
& m Al Johnson, Curtis Wood & Edward
Anderson. 2 p. © Al Johnson;
13Feb69; EU99172.

I don't know anything about the group other than the fact i was told the possible reason its so scarce as the group name was a typing error and should have said the Ravens. 

[Robbk]

On 13/06/2008 at 09:58, Dysonsoul said:

Regarding the ravins 45 i've known about it for a lot of years ,initially martin koppel but never had a sniff of it i got it around 6 years ago.it's funny cos i spoke to gilly about it in passing he'd never seen it or for that matter ever really looked for it even when he met dave hamilton and became good friends with him,other records were on the agenda ie james lately,tobi lark's etc.. tunes that were invogue at the time.i know he told me he left stuff at dave's (am sure if he'd seen the ravins there he'd have picked it up) so pretty sure it's a very hard record but more importantly a fabulous throwback 100 mile per hour dancer of the hey day years at their best !

browny only picked it up recently contrary to his light hearted jibes at me in manifesto stating he'd put me onto it.. can't help but like him...

i'm sure there is the odd copies here and there but i only know about the ones mentioned earlier in the post,strange cos the others on the label are relatively easy to find.lastly all this is testament to the incredibly talented allrounder in dave hamilton !

The Ravins must have been a dead rare record, because I never came across it in any of the big Detroit collectors' collections, nor in my monthly bi-weekly record-hunting trips to Detroit during the mid-to-late 60s, nor in all my years of record hunting (starting to specialise in Chicago and Detroit R&B/Soul in about 1960.  I flipped through literally millions of 45s during 1960-1995, and some thousands after that, and never saw it, other than a few scans after 2000.  I'd bet it never got any radio play, and at BEST it only got hand-delivered to a few record shops in Metro Detroit (maybe not even that).

Edited March 21, 2021 by Robbk

[Blackpoolsoul]

8 hours ago, Robbk said:

The Ravins must have been a dead rare record, because I never came across it in any of the big Detroit collectors' collections, nor in my monthly bi-weekly record-hunting trips to Detroit during the mid-to-late 60s, nor in a;; my years of record hunting (starting to specialise in Chicago and Detroit R&B/Soul in about 1960.  I flipped through literally millions of 45s during 1960-1995, and some thousands after that, and never saw it, other than a few scans after 2000.  I'd bet it never got any radio play, and at BEST it only got hand-delivered to a few record shops in Metro Detroit (maybe not even that).

Now you have got me even more interested as if anyone should have seen them......

Can you take a look at this link please and if you spotted or purchased any of these on your flicking journeys

What's more interesting is no info (that I have found) on any of them, apart from Little Stevie

https://www.45rpmrecords.com/ST/Demo Ristic.php

Ace records got the "rights" to his stuff so someone should know ?

[Chalky]

from the sleeve notes of Dave Hamilton's Detroit Dancers Vol 2....

Al Johnson managed the group

Lead vocalist and guitarist was Joe Anderson

The tape boxes suggest the proper group name is Ravens and that the "I" is a misspelling by Dave Hamilton

@Ady Croasdell might be able to help a little more

[Ted Massey]

Simon Hunt had one years ago I’m sure he told me in the mid 90’s or before he sold it and recently bought one back from Europe 

[Robbk]

As to the spelling of the group's name.  If it is true that it was really The Ravens - that makes me wonder if it could then have been an outgrowth of the 1963 Detroit group on Mike Hanks' MAH's Records, The Royal Ravens.  Jimmy Ricks' Ravens had broken up, with Ricks going solo in the mid 1950s, and later forming The Raves.  So, the name "Ravens" was available in 1963, and the Detroit group was, apparently, the only one using it.  The gap between them, and Dave Hamilton's Ravins/Ravens would have only been a couple years.  They may have still been intact as a local Detroit group, doing local club gigs.  Too bad so many of the old-time Detroiters, who were teenagers or older during 1963-1967, to whom we once had access, are now gone.  I'll see if I can get ahold of a few, and ask them about the group and whether the record ever made it to shops and the radio.

[The Yank]

3 hours ago, Robbk said:

As to the spelling of the group's name.  If it is true that it was really The Ravens - that makes me wonder if it could then have been an outgrowth of the 1963 Detroit group on Mike Hanks' MAH's Records, The Royal Ravens. 

  I think it might not be easy tracking down who was in the group. Both sides are on you tube and even  Manship  commented that after they 45 they "instantly ghost like disappeared as if they never existed".

Edited March 21, 2021 by The Yank

[Gilly]

1 hour ago, The Yank said:

  I think it might not be easy tracking down who was in the group. Both sides are on you tube and even  Manship  commented that after they 45 they "instantly ghost like disappeared as if they never existed".

As far as i know i had the first copy of this 45 in 1988 from Dave Hamiltons house, i only bought it as i like the slow side. To me the slower side sounds black in voice, or he has a very good voice in black sounding. My copy went to Chris Ashby, don't remember what year though, he has recently sold it to Steve Green. 

[Nick Soule]

I doubt it's the Royal Ravens as Robbk suggests. Both sides of the record lack a backing group, so I would guess it's just a band name. Also, the record came out in 1969, so there was plenty of time between to two to forget about the other Ravens. 

Fwiw, members of Dave's family were selling off what was left in his house to different shops in Detroit in 2016-2019. As far as I know, only one VG- copy of the Ravins turned up and was in a stack of Dave's personal records (mainly soul/r&b hits, nothing great). I believe that copy is in the UK now. 

Edited March 22, 2021 by Nick Soule

[Robbk]

3 hours ago, Nick Soule said:

I doubt it's the Royal Ravens as Robbk suggests. Both sides of the record lack a backing group, so I would guess it's just a band name. Also, the record came out in 1969, so there was plenty of time between to two to forget about the other Ravens. 

Fwiw, members of Dave's family were selling off what was left in his house to different shops in Detroit in 2016-2019. As far as I know, only one VG- copy of the Ravins turned up and was in a stack of Dave's personal records (mainly soul/r&b hits, nothing great). I believe that copy is in the UK now. 

I agree that there is no possible connection between the 2 groups.  Upon listening to both sides of the Ravins' record again, I've come to the conclusion that the singer is Caucasian, and the name of the group is for the instrumental band, with one band singer included in their ensamble.  1963 all the way to 1969 is way too far, in any case. 

[Blackpoolsoul]

2 hours ago, Robbk said:

I agree that there is no possible connection between the 2 groups.  Upon listening to both sides of the Ravins' record again, I've come to the conclusion that the singer is Caucasian, and the name of the group is for the instrumental band, with one band singer included in their ensamble.  1963 all the way to 1969 is way too far, in any case. 

There was another group recording in 1967 about 400 miles a way from Detroit

I agree that the Demo Ristic sounds Garage Rocky

I just thought would throw it in the mix (I don't have a sound file)

Edited March 22, 2021 by Blackpoolsoul

[Kenb]

1 hour ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

There was another group recording in 1967 about 400 miles a way from Detroit

I agree that the Demo Ristic sounds Garage Rocky

I just thought would throw it in the mix (I don't have a sound file)

RoFran is Roger Francisco's label. ( more accurately Roger was owner chief eng' at the studio. It is possible the label was someone else's)

Edited March 22, 2021 by Kenb

[Blackpoolsoul]

45 minutes ago, Kenb said:

RoFran is Roger Francisco's label. ( more accurately Roger was owner chief eng' at the studio. It is possible the label was someone else's)

Roger, like most studios, let it out for DIY projects $$$$

[Robbk]

10 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

There was another group recording in 1967 about 400 miles a way from Detroit

I agree that the Demo Ristic sounds Garage Rocky

I just thought would throw it in the mix (I don't have a sound file)

Is that 400 miles from Detroit somewhere in Ohio?  I also seem to remember a Ravins record on a turquoise Frank Brown , Michigan label (probably recorded in Detroit (Maybe Dearborn Records - I don't think it was MSK), from about late 1966 or 1967).  THAT one was always the one I thought of was the hot Northern record.  But now it seems that it was only the Demo Ristic record that was played on the scene.

[Blackpoolsoul]

10 minutes ago, Robbk said:

Is that 400 miles from Detroit somewhere in Ohio?  I also seem to remember a Ravins record on a turquoise Frank Brown , Michigan label (probably recorded in Detroit (Maybe Dearborn Records - I don't think it was MSK), from about late 1966 or 1967).  THAT one was always the one I thought of was the hot Northern record.  But now it seems that it was only the Demo Ristic record that was played on the scene.

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