Bolton Octagon Censor Replys On Blog Scandal

[stomper45]

Would the original creators of the songs mind the prospect of their own creative thoughts in music being exposed to more people other than the NS scene.

Don't think you need to worry Paul, most will see this as different, less emotive led take on the original play. As would think this adaptation will centre more on the characters and less on the music against a storyline that can apply to a few vibrant dance led music venues from the Thatcher years.

I think people have a freedom to put on play even if its proven to be crap because the band is useless or the storyline don't stand up without the original soundtrack. It don't make me a karaoke lover tho.

Maybe they should change the soundtrack and rename it "Upon a time once at the Hacienda" as love to hear Joy Division "Dead Souls" out loud again, oh josh just realised it be a bleedin house band playing it, fk that

[Jumpinjoan]

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It's a long time since I saw the play, but I don't remember the emphasis being on vinyl, more on the lives of the characters with the casino being a release. This is how I honestly remember it, I'm not trying to fan the flames

Winnie :-)

It might be an idea to read a post before answering it.

Show me where in my post I mention the word vinyl?

[TOAD]

ANOTHER SITE IS USING THE ORIGANAL FLYER TO PROMOTE THE PLAY (FARCE)

[Pete S]

It might be an idea to read a post before answering it.

Show me where in my post I mention the word vinyl?

Isn't this what you mean?

Never in a million years would I have thought you would be all for a group of in house musicians singing the music we all love instead of the real thing.

[Winnie :-)]

It might be an idea to read a post before answering it.

Show me where in my post I mention the word vinyl?

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I did read your post Joan, and whlst you don't use the word vinyl, you did say

It is the fact that they have chosen to have a group of musicians, who aren't even a proper band ffs, (not that it would make any difference if they were) to come in and sing the songs, instead of having the original soundtrack upon which the whole play is based.

As I remember the play (only saw it once) the play was based on the four main character's lives, and what was happening to them, how they were coping with life if you will, rather than the emphasis being placed on the music, original or otherwise. As I said, I'm not trying to fan the flames, Paul has said 'it's not his play', I don't think anyone has disagreed with him, just made a case for seeing the new production before commenting on it. I don't think that's unreasonable, do you?

Winnie :-)

[Paul-s]

My last words on the subject.

I tried to present a reasonable point of view. I didn't actually defend the play, (How could I, I haven't seen it) I defended their right to put it on. Anything else smacks of censorship.....ie you can't put this play on because I don't want you to because it's my play !

Perhaps if you'd read what I actually wrote, you'd have realised this, and not had to resort to personal insults to try and make your point.

Well Mr Andrew Lloyd Rimmer, I think you will find that you wrote that, I 'hadn't heard the band'. I had!! Well, to me that smacks of presumption and self-riighteousness! How do you know what I have seen and heard? So, let me try to put it simply for you for the third time.

I have heard them, they are not up to it, now heres the important bit Dave, that means that their renditions of songs I love will be 'S--te '(its not a debate, its a fact, I dont have to pick up shit and smell it to know its shit?!). Dont harp on about being rude, as I said your presumptions are rude and if you cant take the reply's, dont presume in the first place.

Edited June 5, 2008 by paul-s

[Paul-s]

Don't think you need to worry Paul, most will see this as different, less emotive led take on the original play. As would think this adaptation will centre more on the characters and less on the music against a storyline that can apply to a few vibrant dance led music venues from the Thatcher years.

I dont know if you saw the play, but it didn't centre on the music. It worked because it dealt with the lives of 4 people during the Thatcher years, it lead the audience into their stories. So, it wouldn,t be a new version centring on the characters, because thats the only way the play will work and did work. The music WAS the fifth actor and it was powerful part of it because people could feel the soul of those original artists as a subtext for the emotions of the 4 characters.

I think people have a freedom to put on play even if its proven to be crap because the band is useless or the storyline don't stand up without the original soundtrack. It don't make me a karaoke lover tho.

Not saying they dont. But, by that reasoning I also have the right to voice my opinion. I dont think we all need to be passive in the face of s--te, because we dont want to seem the antithesis of the "live & let live" lifestyle that a lot of you have admirably adopted. If I followed that premise I wouldn't speak out against poverty, fascism, injustice of any kind! Live & let live..

Maybe they should change the soundtrack and rename it "Upon a time once at the Hacienda" as love to hear Joy Division "Dead Souls" out loud again, oh josh just realised it be a bleedin house band playing it, fk that

I saw Joy Division a few times and you see, I wouldn't want to hear a cover band doing Ian Curtis's songs in this play you suggest. But you, by what you have said, would. There is the difference in our musical tastes. I think you will find that 'Joy Division' were NOT a house band....

cheers

Paul

[macca]

Ted Heath floored by the miners in 1974, right?

Labour government elected under Lord Jim who

doggedly sticks it out till the famous winter of

discontent (whingeing gits) of 1978. Maggie elected

1979 promising unity instead of division, harmony

instead of strife etc, etc. Wigan limped on for

less than two years, right? Shouldn't it really have

been the Callaghan years? Where's Dan?

It's get me coat time...

Edited June 5, 2008 by macca

[Jumpinjoan]

Isn't this what you mean?

Never in a million years would I have thought you would be all for a group of in house musicians singing the music we all love instead of the real thing.

I still don't see the word vinyl there Pete.

The point I am trying to make has absolutely nothing to do with vinyl - this is theatre ffs, not an all niter.

I'm not talking about what format its on, I'm talking about the original soundtrack to the play, the thing the entire production is based on, being replaced by a live band.

How anyone on here can think that is acceptable is beyond me.

[Paul-s]

No of course I'm not saying I'd do that. However that's not the choice on offer is it because Paul's production no longer exists.

I might go to the allnighter on Saturday and the Legion on Sunday, but I wouldn't start a campaign to rubbish the cover band by saying they were going to be crap before hearing them play either.

I understand Paul's point about his version of the play being about the vinyl. But this isn't his version of the play, and he hasn't heard the band play yet, or seen the actors act yet.

By all means be critical when you are in a position to do so, but as far as I can tell (If you take away the fact they used reviews of his play to advertise this version which was patently wrong) this is no different from two different theatre companies putting on the same production. Without seeing both you cannot make a fair judgement as to which is the best. Especially as one version hasn't even opened it's doors yet.

It's extremely unlikely I will ever go and see the Octagon version because of the distance I live from Bolton these days, but if I did I still wouldn't be able to say it was crap compared to Paul's production, because I didn't see Paul's production either. However if I did see the Octagon version, and thought it was crap, I'd say so, because I would then be in a position to make that judgement.

I'm not doubting Paul's passion and committment to his version either, that's obvious. I just think it's a little unfair of him to be so critical of someone else's creative efforts before the doors even open to the public.

There you go DAVE! Your dream team line-up. Ex FLYING PICKETT on lead vocals! Now thats proper talent! I will see if I can pull some strings and get you a cd, you may want to get some of their cover versions cut for your next set?!

Shirley DarrochHoward GrayRebekah HughesAdam Keast Trumpet / VocalsKeyboard / VocalsTenor Sax / VocalsBass Guitar / Vocals Paul KissaunPaul MannionFrancis Tucker Trombone / Keyboard / VocalsGuitar / VocalsDrums

Edited June 10, 2008 by paul-s

[Pete S]

The review in the evening news says the music is great but the re-written play not so great!

[Paul-s]

The review in the evening news says the music is great but the re-written play not so great!

The Evening News has always led the way in Music Mick, wouldn't have any knowledge or experience to rewrite the play with! He's a total Tw-t

Not sure if Dave will be able to afford the £16 ticket charge. But I guess he's prepared to go the whole hog for one of his favourite bands!

[Guest moggy]

Its been a great thread to browse through (and I have read all the posts)

But its sad when they become personal, just because one or the the other disagree and have a differing opinion and out look on something

Were a bit better than that I would like to think lets calm it down a bit, it does spoil the debate

This is only my opinion of course so you can tell me to f**k off if thats your opinion

[macca]

Well said Moggy. I never did like the word revamp.

Link for review https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ent..._bolton_octagon

[Guest moggy]

MMMM Interesting review that Macca Fireworks abound me thinks

Although it didn"t rave about it, it never quite slagged it off either, and a half descent shout for the band etc

[Paul-s]

Its been a great thread to browse through (and I have read all the posts)

But its sad when they become personal, just because one or the the other disagree and have a differing opinion and out look on something

Were a bit better than that I would like to think lets calm it down a bit, it does spoil the debate

This is only my opinion of course so you can tell me to f**k off if thats your opinion

I agree, but if people make disparaging remarks, they need to be prepared to have them returned (read the whole thread especially the assumptions about what I have and have not seen?!). I didn't see an apology for that and dont want one. I will, however, have a laugh about it, which I am doing!

People get personnal with me ALL the time on here (as Dave did when he assumed he knew the extent of my knowledge) but I haven't seen you leaping in there as a champion of the people, I didn't see you telling him to calm down? Why's that? Anyway, its all done tongue in cheek so maybe you just need to calm down, maybe you and Macca can have some Chammomile tea and chill a bit?

[El Corol]

Ex FLYING PICKETT on lead vocals!

Hey they had a number one single.........name me a northern soul artist that has.....cue list !!!!!!

(excluding Motown artists)

[Paul-s]

MMMM Interesting review that Macca Fireworks abound me thinks

Although it didn"t rave about it, it never quite slagged it off either, and a half descent shout for the band etc

Wow! Happy clappy and lacking any meat.......good review. Get your £16 out. Perfect review as far as im concerned. Says what it is and what its not. Its obviously for you guys who's names begin with M. Seem to remember we got nominated for THE EVENING NEWS AWARD, not 3 stars for mediocre!

Edited June 10, 2008 by paul-s

[Guest moggy]

I agree, but if people make disparaging remarks, they need to be prepared to have them returned (read the whole thread especially the assumptions about what I have and have not seen?!). I didn't see an apology for that and dont want one. I will, however, have a laugh about it, which I am doing!

People get personnal with me ALL the time on here (as Dave did when he assumed he knew the extent of my knowledge) but I haven't seen you leaping in there as a champion of the people, I didn't see you telling him to calm down? Why's that? Anyway, its all done tongue in cheek so maybe you just need to calm down, maybe you and Macca can have some Chammomile tea and chill a bit?

Paul

As I said, I read the whole thread my friend from start to finish (or untill I posted). Only started viewing it about 40 minutes ago, and my personal remark was not directed at yourself, but at all of the post that were a tadd personal

And to prove you don"t know my taste at all, Chammomile tea urrgggghh whatever next but I would rather have the original "Jimmy Soul Clarke" as opposed to me,

"I"ll be your champion"

"I"ll be your winner"

Later guys

[Guest]

Ex FLYING PICKETT on lead vocals!

Hey they had a number one single.........name me a northern soul artist that has.....cue list !!!!!!

(excluding Motown artists)

three degrees.

[Paul-s]

Paul

As I said, I read the whole thread my friend from start to finish (or untill I posted). Only started viewing it about 40 minutes ago, and my personal remark was not directed at yourself, but at all of the post that were a tadd personal

And to prove you don"t know my taste at all, Chammomile tea urrgggghh whatever next but I would rather have the original "Jimmy Soul Clarke" as opposed to me,

"I"ll be your champion"

"I"ll be your winner"

Later guy

Point taken mate...cheers!

[stomper45]

The British Theatre review opens with...

Using a live band in a show about young people dancing to records may seem an odd change to make and perhaps one that could distort the play to fit the theatre's traditions, but it actually works well. Music is used in the scenes when the characters are dancing or listening to records and also as a link between scenes, and it is here that the band, on a platform above and behind the action, gives much more visual interest than just a recording. The seven-piece band is superb, fronted mostly by the deep, rich tones of ex-Flying Picket Paul Kissaun with Jackie Wilson hair, and later by the powerful soul voice of Shirley Darroch. The PA sound isn't as good as it should be, with an overall muddiness and lack of clarity to the overall sound quality and a balance that sometimes has the drums drowning out the lead vocals.

Also says the reworked script is not heavy on plot a light comedy that examines obsessions that can destroy relationships.

So in summary the play has an inferior script saved by the Average House Band

https://www.britishtheatreguide.info/review...ganlive-rev.htm

[Tabs]

three degrees.

Carl Douglas.

[macca]

In Spain it's called tila I think, but I'm not keen on infusions, so I'll pass if you don't mind. :-)

I note that Russ was deejaying in the foyer on the opening night, which would have explained the presence of the 'old northern soulies whose presence was given away by their soul badges'. Dear oh' dear...

Paul, I did say, to be fair, that I would have preferred the Tomangoes to the Band in question.

Curiosity just got the better of me, that's all. ;-)

I've just been scouring Youtube for some clips of it, even if it's only mobile phone footage.

I may well be ill.

[Winnie :-)]

The British Theatre review opens with...

Using a live band in a show about young people dancing to records may seem an odd change to make and perhaps one that could distort the play to fit the theatre's traditions, but it actually works well. Music is used in the scenes when the characters are dancing or listening to records and also as a link between scenes, and it is here that the band, on a platform above and behind the action, gives much more visual interest than just a recording. The seven-piece band is superb, fronted mostly by the deep, rich tones of ex-Flying Picket Paul Kissaun with Jackie Wilson hair, and later by the powerful soul voice of Shirley Darroch. The PA sound isn't as good as it should be, with an overall muddiness and lack of clarity to the overall sound quality and a balance that sometimes has the drums drowning out the lead vocals.

Also says the reworked script is not heavy on plot a light comedy that examines obsessions that can destroy relationships.

So in summary the play has an inferior script saved by the Average House Band

https://www.britishtheatreguide.info/review...ganlive-rev.htm

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Also has a review of the original play within your link Danny

Winnie :-)

[El Corol]

Carl Douglas.

Good call..........I doff my hat to you

[Soulfinger]

I can't do a full review but as I was leaving the Octagon car park at about half six on Monday night, there was a very pedestrian version of Righteous Brothers Band - Rat Race being ground out within the theatre; which was, unfortunately and painfully, completely audible through the open fire door.

[Guest]

Hi Guys, I'm honestly not looking to stir the shite here, as i've only had a quick look through this thread and don't really know about the politics involved etc.

All i can say is,i have never seen the original but i went to see the "Live" play tonight and thouroughly enjoyed it - and i thought the band were decent, in particular the MVP's and Salvadores covers. I attended the Casino from 1975 till '81, but have been totally off the scene since then - apart from "rediscovering" some old stuff a couple of years back, and enjoying listening to it - but i've not been to a "Northern night" since that last night at Wigan in 1981.I had my Mrs with me tonight, and another couple who are all too young to remember the Casino - and they all enjoyed a great night.

[macca]

I wouldn't say it was politics dags, just differing opinions as to the acceptability of a group of musicians doing NS covers as the backdrop to a 'revamped' stage play.

Edited June 11, 2008 by macca

[Jerry Hipkiss]

with an overall muddiness and lack of clarity to the overall sound quality and a balance that sometimes has the drums drowning out the lead vocals.

At least that's fairly authentic then...

[sister dawn]

Hi Guys, I'm honestly not looking to stir the shite here, as i've only had a quick look through this thread and don't really know about the politics involved etc.

All i can say is,i have never seen the original but i went to see the "Live" play tonight and thouroughly enjoyed it - and i thought the band were decent, in particular the MVP's and Salvadores covers. I attended the Casino from 1975 till '81, but have been totally off the scene since then - apart from "rediscovering" some old stuff a couple of years back, and enjoying listening to it - but i've not been to a "Northern night" since that last night at Wigan in 1981.I had my Mrs with me tonight, and another couple who are all too young to remember the Casino - and they all enjoyed a great night.

Dags go to a northern nite again somewhere near you and feel the music again, in its original score in the middle of the dance floor doing your thing, then come back and tell me the band that played the MVP's and The Salvadores were still good!. This time with feelin'

[Pete S]

Dags go to a northern nite again somewhere near you and feel the music again, in its original score in the middle of the dance floor doing your thing, then come back and tell me the band that played the MVP's and The Salvadores were still good!. This time with feelin'

He said they were good in the context of the play, not better than the originals...

[Tomangoes]

IM GOING TO TRY AND GO AND SEE IT AND JUDGE FOR MYSELF BEFORE IT ENDS.

WELL AFTER ALL ENGLAND ARE NOT IN THE EURO CHAMPS SO ITS A GOOD EXCUSE...........

Ed

[Tabs]

Good call..........I doff my hat to you

Doff accepted

[Paul-s]

In Spain it's called tila I think, but I'm not keen on infusions, so I'll pass if you don't mind. :-)

I note that Russ was deejaying in the foyer on the opening night, which would have explained the presence of the 'old northern soulies whose presence was given away by their soul badges'. Dear oh' dear...

Paul, I did say, to be fair, that I would have preferred the Tomangoes to the Band in question.

Curiosity just got the better of me, that's all. ;-)

I've just been scouring Youtube for some clips of it, even if it's only mobile phone footage.

I may well be ill.

I told you 'Puss Tinstanley' would be in there somewhere, followed by his 'sad tribe'! He is a leach for sure. Probably charged the octagon £250 to hear him play the box of bootlegs he dj's from! His charisma and toupee like hair are worth that alone, I guess. Anyway, if you find the clip i would love to hearit. There is actually a great band called the 'DETROIT COBRAS' who covrer Northern songs (bit like white stripes) and I love them, I was just making the point that, for me, to have a cover band portraying the music that drove the characters in the play, was historically wrong and of great consequence to the play. The guy from The British Theatre review is just one bloke with no idea about music of any kind or a very broad perspective on MODERN theatre techniques !....ive met him. He originally said of my play, that there was "too much music used to cover scene changes"! Missing the whole point that it was a musical narrative!! When I approached him about it, he recognised that he had, in his ignorance, not realised that and changed his view! As is seen in his latest review of the Bolton Panto! Anyway the words "Not with a Bang, but a Whimper" spring to mind about this whole sham! Im off up north for D.D.A and some proper soulfulness!

[Guest]

Dags go to a northern nite again somewhere near you and feel the music again, in its original score in the middle of the dance floor doing your thing, then come back and tell me the band that played the MVP's and The Salvadores were still good!. This time with feelin'

I've no doubt that if i was still on the scene now, i'd have hated the play

Absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that - and i just fancied a nostalgic trip down memory lane. Like Pete said - i never said the bands covers were better than the originals, they were far from it but they made a pretty good fist of it, and enhanced the atmosphere imo. Having been off the scene for a long long time, i just went along out of curiosity and hoped for a good night, i got much more than that as the play and the band were far better than i expected

[Paul-s]

Hi Guys, I'm honestly not looking to stir the shite here, as i've only had a quick look through this thread and don't really know about the politics involved etc.

All i can say is,i have never seen the original but i went to see the "Live" play tonight and thouroughly enjoyed it - and i thought the band were decent, in particular the MVP's and Salvadores covers. I attended the Casino from 1975 till '81, but have been totally off the scene since then - apart from "rediscovering" some old stuff a couple of years back, and enjoying listening to it - but i've not been to a "Northern night" since that last night at Wigan in 1981.I had my Mrs with me tonight, and another couple who are all too young to remember the Casino - and they all enjoyed a great night.

PLease, stop referring to the original. ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! The Original had Original music and Original film footage from the Casino as the backdrop for the play! It had Original thought and creativity. Original clothes (no designer stubble! ) made by the Original old lady who made them back in the day! It was NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS RUBBISH! People were moved by it, it wasn't 'happy clappy' with a cover band starring the Flying Picketts lead singer! It brought a tear of recognition to many peoples eyes. People who lost friends, jobs, direction, relationships, youth. It also made people smile and laugh out loud at the recognition of those beautiful, unforgettable moments at the Casino, when those 'RECORDS' came on and you hit that floor and escaped for a few hours! Ive continued to listen to 'Soul' ALL my life, so I dont get moved by, or even recognise a memory created by a COVER BAND!? It makes me wonder if some people even listened to, or felt it in the first place. If they did and it was 'real' then NOTHING could replace it. Certainly not the 'Flying Pickets' and some second rate west end musicians murdering the Tomangoes!

[Guest]

PLease, stop referring to the original. ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! The Original had Original music and Original film footage from the Casino as the backdrop for the play! It had Original thought and creativity. Original clothes (no designer stubble! ) made by the Original old lady who made them back in the day! It was NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS RUBBISH! People were moved by it, it wasn't 'happy clappy' with a cover band starring the Flying Picketts lead singer! It brought a tear of recognition to many peoples eyes. People who lost friends, jobs, direction, relationships, youth. It also made people smile and laugh out loud at the recognition of those beautiful, unforgettable moments at the Casino, when those 'RECORDS' came on and you hit that floor and escaped for a few hours! Ive continued to listen to 'Soul' ALL my life, so I dont get moved by, or even recognise a memory created by a COVER BAND!? It makes me wonder if some people even listened to, or felt it in the first place. If they did and it was 'real' then NOTHING could replace it. Certainly not the 'Flying Pickets' and some second rate west end musicians murdering the Tomangoes!

What a condescending post.

Yeh, i prefer original music to covers/bands - but i enjoyed the play all the same, and i can assure you that yes i did "feel" the music back then, in fact i still feel it now when i fancy a listen.For better or worse my life just moved in other directions after the Casino closed, it doesn't mean i never "felt" the music nor does it mean that i can't enjoy a tongue in cheek play about the Casino, with albeit a (shock horror) COVER BAND

[Pete S]

PLease, stop referring to the original. ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! The Original had Original music and Original film footage from the Casino as the backdrop for the play! It had Original thought and creativity. Original clothes (no designer stubble! ) made by the Original old lady who made them back in the day! It was NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS RUBBISH! People were moved by it, it wasn't 'happy clappy' with a cover band starring the Flying Picketts lead singer! It brought a tear of recognition to many peoples eyes. People who lost friends, jobs, direction, relationships, youth. It also made people smile and laugh out loud at the recognition of those beautiful, unforgettable moments at the Casino, when those 'RECORDS' came on and you hit that floor and escaped for a few hours! Ive continued to listen to 'Soul' ALL my life, so I dont get moved by, or even recognise a memory created by a COVER BAND!? It makes me wonder if some people even listened to, or felt it in the first place. If they did and it was 'real' then NOTHING could replace it. Certainly not the 'Flying Pickets' and some second rate west end musicians murdering the Tomangoes!

He enjoyed the play, leave him alone for f*cks sake.

[Paul-s]

He enjoyed the play, leave him alone for f*cks sake.

For someone so vociferous about many things thats rich Pete. I just asked for people to stop referring to it as the same play, its nothing to do with it. Also, I have every right to express my horror at so called lovers of 'soul' music championing the 'Flying Pickets' cover versions of tunes we fought hard to champion and cherish. I am utterly bemused and shocked at some of the flimsy musical tastes that have been surfacing lately. Perhaps ther should be a pseudo - Soul Source page for these lovers of the modern cover, middle of the road band, version. Enough people were quick to slag 'Duffy' on this site, but the 'Flying Pickets'..."fine, good, great"....im sorry, but to me, thats f--king unbelievable!

[Pete S]

For someone so vociferous about many things thats rich Pete. I just asked for people to stop referring to it as the same play, its nothing to do with it. Also, I have every right to express my horror at so called lovers of 'soul' music championing the 'Flying Pickets' cover versions of tunes we fought hard to champion and cherish. I am utterly bemused and shocked at some of the flimsy musical tastes that have been surfacing lately. Perhaps ther should be a pseudo - Soul Source page for these lovers of the modern cover, middle of the road band, version. Enough people were quick to slag 'Duffy' on this site, but the 'Flying Pickets'..."fine, good, great"....im sorry, but to me, thats f--king unbelievable!

You're being a bully Paul, just because someone went to see it and actually enjoyed it. That's all.

[Guest]

I suppose it boils down to this -

1,Serious soul fans still on the scene - will probably hate it

2,Old soul fans who are now off the scene, and the general public - might actually enjoy it.

[Guest SteveJohnston]

I suppose it boils down to this -

1,Serious soul fans still on the scene - will probably hate it

2,Old soul fans who are now off the scene, and the general public - might actually enjoy it.

I think we can all see where Paul is coming from on this topic and I for one believe he is right in 99% of his posts.

A quote from Mick Shaft at the end of the Casino on Piccadilly radio "It's a despicable state of affairs" when there was yet one more nighter really rings true hear.

But saying that the, dags quote rings true also.

Steve J

[Guest moggy]

Although I like a bit of rumble in the jungle we are miles off topic know

The original post concerned the censorship of your Blogs Paul, because you were rather critical towards certain people connected with this production for not putting up your blogs, because they were "critical" !

As the thread has grown, I along with others have become aware that you have in the past been heavily involved in the production of a Soul based theatre production, and for that I commend you

I honestly, have not until yesterday, ever been aware of either production

Dags has been to see the latest addaptation and has given, what to him is an honest assesment, and he openly admits he has not been on the scene for a good while, so we should not chastise his taste in music, just because he likes something or enjoyed something others may not, he admits to not reading all of the threads, so he may not be aware of the points yourself and others have raised regarding the latest production at the Octagon, he is just saying he enjoyed it.

I watched The Temptations on Sky recently, the film version, I thought the actors were superb, I am assuming they mimed over a lot of the music played, but some of it had to be by them, again superb, really really enjoyed the whole movie, now my point being, had there been an alternative earlier film based on the Temps, weres by they used a lot more original footage and music, and to many it may well have been a far superior production, it doesn"t take away my enjoyment of what I watched as I was not aware of an earlier production based on a simillar theme, I hope I have got my point over I really feel like saying, "You know what I mean"

And Paul I have posted this without once mentioning the dreaded "Original" word

[Paul-s]

Although I like a bit of rumble in the jungle we are miles off topic know

The original post concerned the censorship of your Blogs Paul, because you were rather critical towards certain people connected with this production for not putting up your blogs, because they were "critical" !

As the thread has grown, I along with others have become aware that you have in the past been heavily involved in the production of a Soul based theatre production, and for that I commend you

I honestly, have not until yesterday, ever been aware of either production

Dags has been to see the latest addaptation and has given, what to him is an honest assesment, and he openly admits he has not been on the scene for a good while, so we should not chastise his taste in music, just because he likes something or enjoyed something others may not, he admits to not reading all of the threads, so he may not be aware of the points yourself and others have raised regarding the latest production at the Octagon, he is just saying he enjoyed it.

I watched The Temptations on Sky recently, the film version, I thought the actors were superb, I am assuming they mimed over a lot of the music played, but some of it had to be by them, again superb, really really enjoyed the whole movie, now my point being, had there been an alternative earlier film based on the Temps, weres by they used a lot more original footage and music, and to many it may well have been a far superior production, it doesn"t take away my enjoyment of what I watched as I was not aware of an earlier production based on a simillar theme, I hope I have got my point over I really feel like saying, "You know what I mean"

And Paul I have posted this without once mentioning the dreaded "Original" word

Fair enough mate. I understand your point. But Pete is having selective empathy, just because its theatre. For instance, I love George Hobson - Let It Be Real, Petes been on here saying its s--te and the worst record ever! Fair enough, hes allowed an opinion. I dont say, "stop being a bully", but he does try when it comes to music...So why is he so vocal when I express a forthright opinion about theatre?! Selective empathy and a bit of selective amnesia. Pete loves the classic song 'Marchin', I think its S--te, but my expressing that doesn't make me a bully! You have to understand that i have a background in theatre almost as long as ive been on the scene and I take it just as seriously. Thats why the play worked in the first place.

cheers

Paul

[Guest moggy]

Hey Paul without yourself and Pete and your sometimes blunt and to the point views, SS may not be as engaging as it is I love a bit hand bags I do

Keep it up fellas

Now where were we

[Paul-s]

Hey Paul without yourself and Pete and your sometimes blunt and to the point views, SS may not be as engaging as it is I love a bit hand bags I do

Keep it up fellas

Now where were we

hey, I like Pete, hes a proper debater...I think thats how you say it!

[Guest rachel]

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[Guest moggy]

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Booo Hiss Booo

I was just about to give my opinion on them

As it was my first time of seeing them

Oxygen rules or is it Octagon

[Pete S]

Fair enough mate. I understand your point. But Pete is having selective empathy, just because its theatre. For instance, I love George Hobson - Let It Be Real, Petes been on here saying its s--te and the worst record ever! Fair enough, hes allowed an opinion. I dont say, "stop being a bully", but he does try when it comes to music...So why is he so vocal when I express a forthright opinion about theatre?! Selective empathy and a bit of selective amnesia. Pete loves the classic song 'Marchin', I think its S--te, but my expressing that doesn't make me a bully! You have to understand that i have a background in theatre almost as long as ive been on the scene and I take it just as seriously. Thats why the play worked in the first place.

cheers

Paul

No way can I let you get away with that - yes I do hate the George Hobson record but I do not attack anyone who likes it, I just feel pity for them; "The Camp" record is alright, it's not one of my favourites, the reason I was salivating over it last year is because I'd just picked up one of the only known stock copies and it's a truly rare record - whether it's any good or not was a moot point. I doubt it would make my top 500.