Another Is It The Same Group Question

[Dave Thorley]

Morning All

Just got a rather nice 2 sider

The Steelers-Love, love, love for me/Disturbing thoughts-AMG

If so anyone know the story of how the Chicago group appeared on the Cininnati label.

[Garethx]

I could be wrong, but the presence of the names Wells on the credits would seem to suggest these are the same group who recorded for Triple T in the 80s and 90s, which would make these Steelers some sort of continuation of the group who recorded for Crash, Epic etc. in the 60s and early 70s

[Val (Chunky)]

nice one Dave, never heard it before...........what an odd label that is

[Garethx]

Tim Brown reviewed it in one of his mags a few years ago, with the observation that it was quite a rare record. He went for the Disturbing Thoughts side of the record, which is almost there for me, but maybe doesn't have enough of the roaring tenor lead (Wes Wells?) who features prominently on many of their best sides.

[Dave Thorley]

Hi Guys

Thanks for that, does seem to be some part of the group out of Chicago as you say Gareth. I'd never seen it before and it was a nice suprise when I put it on the decks.

I agree Val odd label, does anyone have a AMG listing.

'The ever strange world of rare soul'

Dave

Edited April 25, 2008 by Dave Thorley

[Steve G]

Hi Guys

Thanks for that, does seem to be some part of the group out of Chicago as you say Gareth. I'd never seen it before and it was a nice suprise when I put it on the decks.

I agree Val odd label, does anyone have a AMG listing.

'The ever strange world of rare soul'

Dave

It is the same group Dave....they also had a good track on a CD a few years ago.....AMG is the weirdest of labels but it also picked up a release by Johnny Moore (another Chicago man) possibly in the same deal. Disturbing thoughts isn't quite there to my mind, but it's OK / pleasent enough...Steve

[boba]

It is the same group Dave....they also had a good track on a CD a few years ago.....AMG is the weirdest of labels but it also picked up a release by Johnny Moore (another Chicago man) possibly in the same deal. Disturbing thoughts isn't quite there to my mind, but it's OK / pleasent enough...Steve

They talk about how they got onto the label in my interview. Many Chicago acts appeared on the label. The label was a total scam, not even a custom label where you had to pay to press it... AMG had this thing going where they marketed themselves as a real label (supposedly with songwriters, a band, etc.) and you had to pay about $2000 to have your record pressed and supposedly 'promoted'. But they never actually promoted anything. The puzzle people told me how they had set up in a holiday inn, advertised, and you met with them and auditioned for them.

Specifically with the steelers 45, the tracks were already recorded (and the flip already appeard on their own Baba label), AMG just pressed it. They still had to pay $2000.

[boba]

It is the same group Dave....they also had a good track on a CD a few years ago.....AMG is the weirdest of labels but it also picked up a release by Johnny Moore (another Chicago man) possibly in the same deal. Disturbing thoughts isn't quite there to my mind, but it's OK / pleasent enough...Steve

The johnny moore thing wasn't in the same deal, each person separately dished out $2000 at a separate time to the label to have their record put out. Look on dante's page: www.ohiosoulrecordings.com. The following things are Chciago:

53-41 Puzzle People "Reach For The Truth/ Make You Mine" 1975 QCA-553041

6073-17 The Steelers "Disturbing Thoughts/ Love, Love, Love For Me" 1976 (Chicago group)

7031-21 Unforbidden Fruit "The Work Song/ The Laughing Song" 1977 QCA-703121 (Chicago group)

7081-21 Bill Watts "I Got Jesus/ The Hole That Holds The Bones" 1977 QCA-708121 (gospel)

7113 Moore Brothers Band "A Salute To Roots/ Inst." 1977 QCA-7113 (Chicago group)

771206 Little Larry Hudson "Land Of Dog Eat Dog/ Strong Constitution" 1977 QCA-771206 (Chicago artist)

771220 Delores Barrett Campbell and the Barrett Sisters "No Ways Tired / Talkin 'Bout A Good Time" 1977

780326 Johnny Moore "Hold On A Little Bit Longer/ Lies And Alibis" 1976 QCA-780326

8061-34 Pino and Kambon "A Soalin/ Maybe Stars" 1978 QCA-806134 sic

[boba]

They talk about how they got onto the label in my interview. Many Chicago acts appeared on the label. The label was a total scam, not even a custom label where you had to pay to press it... AMG had this thing going where they marketed themselves as a real label (supposedly with songwriters, a band, etc.) and you had to pay about $2000 to have your record pressed and supposedly 'promoted'. But they never actually promoted anything. The puzzle people told me how they had set up in a holiday inn, advertised, and you met with them and auditioned for them.

Specifically with the steelers 45, the tracks were already recorded (and the flip already appeard on their own Baba label), AMG just pressed it. They still had to pay $2000.

Here is the first press of the one side of the 45 on their label. The flip of this is "love love love" for me. This is even rarer, most of the run was actually destroyed.

Edited April 25, 2008 by boba

[Steve Plumb]

Fascinating info boba - many thanks

I love 'Disturbing thoughts' (once you've got over the really really dodgy intro).

We play it at The Orwell from time to time as Steve Connor has a hankering for it too

Another one brought to the table here in the UK by Mr Levine on his return to the scene some years ago!

Pretty tough to find too!

Cheers

Steve

Edited April 25, 2008 by Steve Plumb

[Mark B]

Fascinating info boba - many thanks

I love 'Disturbing thoughts' (once you've got over the really really dodgy intro).

We play it at The Orwell from time to time as Steve Connor has a hankering for it too

Another one brought to the table here in the UK by Mr Levine on his return to the scene some years ago!

Pretty tough to find too!

Cheers

Steve

isnt there aanother release which is another version of the imperil wonders you live only once think it is Rock & co

mark

[Mark B]

didnt one of the big instrumentals come out on AMG midnight brew i may be wrong but then again.

mark

[Sebastian]

didnt one of the big instrumentals come out on AMG midnight brew i may be wrong but then again.

mark

An AMG label discography can be found here:

https://www.ohiosoulrecordings.com/a.htm

[Steve Plumb]

didnt one of the big instrumentals come out on AMG midnight brew i may be wrong but then again.

mark

You're right on both counts Mark

Mel Carter on AMG

Rock and Co on AMG is an OK version (imho) BUT imho nowt touches Imperial Wonders version!!!!!!!!!

Cheers

Steve

[Steve G]

You're right on both counts Mark

Mel Carter on AMG

Rock and Co on AMG is an OK version (imho) BUT imho nowt touches Imperial Wonders version!!!!!!!!!

Cheers

Steve

There is also a third version Stevie I'll try and find it.

[Ian Dewhirst]

There is also a third version Stevie I'll try and find it.

Presumably 8034-31 Changing Tymes "Try It Once Again/ You Only Live Once" 1978 QCA-803431

Never seen that before.....

Ian D

[Guest Netspeaky]

There is also a third version Stevie I'll try and find it.

The Mel Carter on AMG is a re-issue and is different to the original on Trip Universal, many a collector have made a mistake buying the AMG 45.

[Dysonsoul]

The johnny moore thing wasn't in the same deal, each person separately dished out $2000 at a separate time to the label to have their record put out. Look on dante's page: www.ohiosoulrecordings.com. The following things are Chciago:

53-41 Puzzle People "Reach For The Truth/ Make You Mine" 1975 QCA-553041

6073-17 The Steelers "Disturbing Thoughts/ Love, Love, Love For Me" 1976 (Chicago group)

7031-21 Unforbidden Fruit "The Work Song/ The Laughing Song" 1977 QCA-703121 (Chicago group)

7081-21 Bill Watts "I Got Jesus/ The Hole That Holds The Bones" 1977 QCA-708121 (gospel)

7113 Moore Brothers Band "A Salute To Roots/ Inst." 1977 QCA-7113 (Chicago group)

771206 Little Larry Hudson "Land Of Dog Eat Dog/ Strong Constitution" 1977 QCA-771206 (Chicago artist)

771220 Delores Barrett Campbell and the Barrett Sisters "No Ways Tired / Talkin 'Bout A Good Time" 1977

780326 Johnny Moore "Hold On A Little Bit Longer/ Lies And Alibis" 1976 QCA-780326

8061-34 Pino and Kambon "A Soalin/ Maybe Stars" 1978 QCA-806134 sic

WELL DONE BOB VERY INTERESTING - I THINK WE SPOKE BRIEFLY LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS LABEL - THE PUZZLE PEOPLE IS FANTASTIC BOTH SIDES , FUNNY THE STEELERS AS PLUMBY POINTED OUT WAS A LEVINE RAVE , I REMEMBER IT IN PARTICULAR WHILE DOWN AT IAN'S HOUSE HE THRUST SOME 20 RECORDS AT ME SAYING YOU WON'T AND CAN'T KNOW ANY OF THESE.. I JUST DISCOVERED THEM TOP OF THE PILE WAS STEELERS,WHICH I HAD HAD FOR SOME YEARS INFACT THERE WAS ONLY 1 RECORD I HADN'T GOT BUT NEVER THE LESS SUCH WAS IAN'S TRUE ENTHUSIASM FOR FRESH DISCOVERIES.... GREAT MEMORIES..

[Jordirip]

Presumably 8034-31 Changing Tymes "Try It Once Again/ You Only Live Once" 1978 QCA-803431

Never seen that before.....

Ian D

Yes, I've got this one and "You live only once" came out on another AMG issue with a different flip, not as good as "Try it once again" though.

Jordi

[boba]

Yes, I've got this one and "You live only once" came out on another AMG issue with a different flip, not as good as "Try it once again" though.

Jordi

yeah, I also like the 'try it once again'. The rock n' company version of 'you live only once' is better than the changing tymes because of the arpeggiated synth that they are using, it makes it sound much more exciting for some reason. I'm still looking for the destiny 45 on AMG if someone has a copy to sell. Thanks.