Why Split The Scene

[Bazza]

Why not have it all in one room,why do we have these splits , it will kill the scene,it is doing now ,the scene has completly changed over the last 3 years ,because of it, I dont uderstand why you can't play it all ,am I wrong ..............Rant over

Bazza

[Guest Matt Male]

Why not have it all in one room,why do we have these splits , it will kill the scene,it is doing now ,the scene has completly changed over the last 3 years ,because of it, I dont uderstand why you can't play it all ,am I wrong ..............Rant over

Bazza

R&B, 70s, 60s, Oldies, rarely played and rare all in the same room? Sounds like Middleton to me...

[Chris Anderton]

Baz,

Not sure its killing the scene but i agree it should be all in one room....I always feel I`m missing something at these 2 room events.

Chris

[pogo paul]

Why not have it all in one room,why do we have these splits , it will kill the scene,it is doing now ,the scene has completly changed over the last 3 years ,because of it, I dont uderstand why you can't play it all ,am I wrong ..............Rant over

Bazza

I agree with you totally, it's all R"N"B to me

EDUCATED FOOLS FROM UNEDUCATED SCHOOLS

[Guest Bearsy]

Why not have it all in one room,why do we have these splits , it will kill the scene,it is doing now ,the scene has completly changed over the last 3 years ,because of it, I dont uderstand why you can't play it all ,am I wrong ..............Rant over

Bazza

I wish it was cos most of the best nights i go too have the 1 room proper accross the board policy

[Mark Jones]

mmmmm...sounds ok but don't go to soul do's to hear ska myself...different scene totally imho, but understand where you are coming from as I like to hear a broad range of toons in one room myself.

Basically I think everyone has their own ideal soul night (not one person would choose the exact same night/music choice I reckon) and for me it would be me on the dancefloor all night with my gentically cloned self DJ'ing too

Well a richer clone so he can afford a few toons I can't!

Edited March 17, 2008 by soulechoes

[Guest]

R&B, 70s, 60s, Oldies, rarely played and rare all in the same room? Sounds like Middleton to me...

So why have separate rooms then ?

I spend all night darting from one room to the other never knowing what great sounds I may have missed

[Guest]

Why not have it all in one room,why do we have these splits , it will kill the scene,it is doing now ,the scene has completly changed over the last 3 years ,because of it, I dont uderstand why you can't play it all ,am I wrong ..............Rant over

Bazza

Funny I was in the R&B Room at 6 Hills at weekend and we were discussing that a lot of the tunes played a few years ago were just classed as uptempo northern but the divisions have come in over the last few years making it more difficult to go to a venue and hear new sounds old sounds and forgotten all in one room

Steve

[Bazza]

I wish it was cos most of the best nights i go too have the 1 room proper accross the board policy

Im an R&B fan , the Mrs is more of a classics fan , I know a lot of folks , they have different tastes, 100mph, mid tempo, modern ,rare ,but it seems these days we never all meet up because of this split..makes no sense to me

Bazza

Edited March 17, 2008 by bazza

[Mark Jones]

Im an R&B fan , the Mrs is more of a classics fan , I know a lot of folks , they have different tastes, 100mph, mid tempo, modern ,but it seems these days we never all meet up because of this split..make no sense to me

Bazza

Well like I said we'd all choose different genres...if it was my choice I'd just wanna hear TOTW tunes along with other modern and mid tempo tunes...then again it's this broad church we have that makes the scene what it is. I'm sure this was talked about during the days of Mecca/Wigan split so this ain't exactly a new discussion I'm sure lol

[Bazza]

Well like I said we'd all choose different genres...if it was my choice I'd just wanna hear TOTW tunes along with other modern and mid tempo tunes...then again it's this broad church we have that makes the scene what it is. I'm sure this was talked about during the days of Mecca/Wigan split so this ain't exactly a new discussion I'm sure lol

I dare say your right ,but dont you think over the last 2/3 years ,the split has become more obvious/pronounced ?

Bazza

[Guest Bearsy]

Im an R&B fan , the Mrs is more of a classics fan , I know a lot of folks , they have different tastes, 100mph, mid tempo, modern ,rare ,but it seems these days we never all meet up because of this split..makes no sense to me

Bazza

with you on this totally Baz

I like anything really Baz as long as it makes me feet tap and the hairs on mr neck stand on end the genre of the tune is irrelevant or the date, ok i do like me 60s the most i guess but i like to hear stuff i never heard before too cos if i aint heard it i dont know if i like it or not, so a bit of everything cant be such a bad thing can it and if i dont like it its time for a fag or a chat

[Guest andyrattigan]

I myself would prefer a room with all styles (no Ska please, I like some of it but not at a Soul do, rocksteady is better anyway) lots of uptempo 6ts, loads of crossover and some 7ts/8ts as well. Even some newish stuff.

However, I still enjoy a night of just quality 6ts Northern. The 100 club is my regular venue and is mostly 6ts but always quality tunes. Mick Smith did play a stunning crossover/7ts set there in December. It slotted in perfectly after several hours of excellent 6ts and a touch of R&B.

One of the things I love about weekenders is the chance to hear so much diverse music. Im as happy in either the Northern room or the Modern room at Cleethorpes.

[Guest]

Why not have it all in one room,why do we have these splits , it will kill the scene,it is doing now ,the scene has completly changed over the last 3 years ,because of it, I dont uderstand why you can't play it all ,am I wrong ..............Rant over

Bazza

Not so at the Pembo....check out the latest Pemberton event lookbacks.

[Bazza]

I myself would prefer a room with all styles (no Ska please, I like some of it but not at a Soul do, rocksteady is better anyway) lots of uptempo 6ts, loads of crossover and some 7ts/8ts as well. Even some newish stuff.

However, I still enjoy a night of just quality 6ts Northern. The 100 club is my regular venue and is mostly 6ts but always quality tunes. Mick Smith did play a stunning crossover/7ts set there in December. It slotted in perfectly after several hours of excellent 6ts and a touch of R&B.

One of the things I love about weekenders is the chance to hear so much diverse music. Im as happy in either the Northern room or the Modern room at Cleethorpes.

Not going to argue about Ska, I like it ,and it was a played in the begining of it all,and I dont think it should be forgotten

Bazza

Just adding to this , a tune doing the rounds " Back Slop - Baby Earl and the trinidads" fills the floor ........its Ska

Edited March 18, 2008 by bazza

[Guest andyrattigan]

Not going to argue about Ska, I like it ,and it was a played in the begining of it all,and I dont think it should be forgotten

Bazza

I like some Ska myself but it has nothing to do with the Rare Soul scene. I like some punk but I dont want to hear the Buzzcocks or Stiff Little Fingers at an allnighter.

[Mark Jones]

I like some Ska myself but it has nothing to do with the Rare Soul scene. I like some punk but I dont want to hear the Buzzcocks or Stiff Little Fingers at an allnighter.

No but I'd like to be there just to watch the soul crowd linch the DJ!

[Bazza]

I like some Ska myself but it has nothing to do with the Rare Soul scene. I like some punk but I dont want to hear the Buzzcocks or Stiff Little Fingers at an allnighter.

Agreed Andy ,but I added a bit to that post ....

Bazza

So you really can't argue....it is Ska

Edited March 18, 2008 by bazza

[Mak]

Baz in one sense your quite right , but could you ever see the ''baggies brigade''(no offence meant to anyone) going to a venue with modern or 7o's or even rare records that are totally undanceable to them There lays the biggest slpit. That in itself why the scene could be heading for self distruct .

I like yourself was around in the very early days when ska was part of the club culture , with the invent of clubs such as Va-Va's , The Torch , The Cat's ect , ect ect ska seemed to vanish until just recently , doe's this add another door for a further split because IMHO I am not that keen on it (anymore) that don't mean I will not listen to it . I class myself as being very open minded .......maybe there lays the reason you have Two Room Venues , Oldies (only) Nights or The Modern Room.Punters do not seem to want to be open minded enough to listen to all aspects of soul (that is until a record has been played in a rare or modern room for 5yrs then it crosses into the ''Oldies room'' . God help us.

BTW with characters like yourself the scene is a long way from dying off

Edited March 18, 2008 by MAK

[Little-stevie]

I am a fan of different styles too and would love a bit of each in the same room... The spilt is because every dog got a box of records now and wants to play them.. If they can't get booked at others venues then they just invent a new night... Not sure what the solution is but the split is the sign of our different taste as we get older..

Some folk would never want anything outside the safe zone while others mock many dj playing northern classics...

The trouble with one room for some is that there is no escape from a dj set that they don't like, all djs on these nights would have to play a mix for the whole crowd and that would be a tough job indeed...

The Wigan stomping oldies crowd and the rare/modern crossover crowd in one room is like me singing blues songs at a clan meeting

Five rooms at Prestatyn and still some moaners ... It can only get worse with the Victor Meldrew crowd coming on strong... Just f"ck off and moan some other place and let us get with having a good time..

[Guest the dukester]

Only one room at Easington Welfare so across the board policy comes in to play.

Although I must add, I agree with having a seperate modern room if possible....................keeps all the wierdo's out of the way

T.I.C.

[Ezzie Brown]

hey stevie.......................lets get together and moan all night ............nothing changes eh? or is it you and me doin the grinnin anyone with a bit of a interest in the scene should .know what there gonna get at the venues there go to, or find out before if you havnt been. there before...........

.easy. the dreaded jazz /funk has reared its ugly head again lately ,so i might give certain venues a rest, not keep going and moaning!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ezzie

Edited March 18, 2008 by ezzie brown

[Guest]

Not going to argue about Ska, I like it ,and it was a played in the begining of it all,and I dont think it should be forgotten

Bazza

Just adding to this , a tune doing the rounds " Back Slop - Baby Earl and the trinidads" fills the floor ........its Ska

Great tune... however I can understand the arguments. I'm no purist and I enjoy right accross the board but who's telling me they cant dance to this? Btw... is this the going rate?

https://cgi.ebay.com/BABY-EARL-TRINIDADS-NO...ksid=p1638.m127

[Dendog]

Bazz like your-self Iv like a bit of R&B but you didn't hear this modern, rare, or even across the board in the 60's &70's they were made in the 80's I think first split any way, didn't like it so I never went.

But in the mid to late 90's revamp oldies are back my kind of stuff great to be back and then in the year 2000 a major change again some of the rare, R&B, and modern sneaked its way back causing another split of venues so the two or maybe three rooms are needed who knows.

Not taking it away from the venues that play across the board they are giving what the people are asking for and that's great,

But some of us like to play and listen to what we liked back in the late 60's & 70's and every now and then go to venues that play differently, a change is has good as a rest so they say.

Now we have games is this to promote people to there venue who knows? But I go to listen to good music and watch the dancers that in it's self is my entertainment of a good night out.

upppps and a pint

Good blog though pal

den

[Reg]

I myself would prefer a room with all styles (no Ska please, I like some of it but not at a Soul do, rocksteady is better anyway) lots of uptempo 6ts, loads of crossover and some 7ts/8ts as well. Even some newish stuff.

However, I still enjoy a night of just quality 6ts Northern. The 100 club is my regular venue and is mostly 6ts but always quality tunes. Mick Smith did play a stunning crossover/7ts set there in December. It slotted in perfectly after several hours of excellent 6ts and a touch of R&B.

One of the things I love about weekenders is the chance to hear so much diverse music. Im as happy in either the Northern room or the Modern room at Cleethorpes.

I agree with all that Andy-and definitely no SKA...I'm similar to you, I don't dislike it as such but I don't really want to hear it at a Soul do anymore than I want to hear the Divine Comedy or Bowie (and I like them a lot )

[Jellybean]

Although I must add, I agree with having a seperate modern room if possible....................keeps all the wierdo's out of the way

T.I.C.

[Little-stevie]

Only one room at Easington Welfare so across the board policy comes in to play.

Although I must add, I agree with having a seperate modern room if possible....................keeps all the wierdo's out of the way

T.I.C.

So across the board means what then???? something different to a lot of folks it seems..

Is it just 60s/70s uptempo dancers..

60s/70s stompers/mid tempo/rare underplayed/RnB/ crossover/ disco etc etc etc..

60s/70s/80/90s/y2k.. Dancers /stompers/two steppers/deep soul/ soulful house

Maybe across the board should mean mixing Duffy into late 50s RnB and everything in between from monster oldies to the deepest disco

OOOOOOOOOOOh its a tough one aint it..

Good luck to you all

"No slitting at the back please"

[Mak]

Bazz like your-self Iv like a bit of R&B but you didn't hear this modern, rare, or even across the board in the 60's &70's they were made in the 80's I think first split any way, didn't like it so I never went.

But in the mid to late 90's revamp oldies are back my kind of stuff great to be back and then in the year 2000 a major change again some of the rare, R&B, and modern sneaked its way back causing another split of venues so the two or maybe three rooms are needed who knows.

Not taking it away from the venues that play across the board they are giving what the people are asking for and that's great,

But some of us like to play and listen to what we liked back in the late 60's & 70's and every now and then go to venues that play differently, a change is has good as a rest so they say.

Now we have games is this to promote people to there venue who knows? But I go to listen to good music and watch the dancers that in it's self is my entertainment of a good night out.

upppps and a pint

Good blog though pal

den

Dennis if you went to either The Torch , The Casino or wherever ( i know you did)you will have heard ''Rare'' as most tunes played were rare .And Modern you heard that to etc , THE TEMPREES , THE CARSTAIRS and a host of others in fact you could say that in the 70's it was all rare , modern(by todays standards).

love THE KINGSWAY BTW

Edited March 18, 2008 by MAK

[Bazza]

mmmmm....respect your taste mate but hasn't changed my mind...thought the post was about the Northen Scene and as class as the Ska scene is it's never been part of the Northern scene...well certainly since Mr Godin penned the term all those years back...u had a beer? lol

It was part of the early club scene,around 67/68 ,yes before Mr Godin coined the phrase,

Bazza

[Bazza]

Baz in one sense your quite right , but could you ever see the ''baggies brigade''(no offence meant to anyone) going to a venue with modern or 7o's or even rare records that are totally undanceable to them There lays the biggest slpit. That in itself why the scene could be heading for self distruct .

I like yourself was around in the very early days when ska was part of the club culture , with the invent of clubs such as Va-Va's , The Torch , The Cat's ect , ect ect ska seemed to vanish until just recently , doe's this add another door for a further split because IMHO I am not that keen on it (anymore) that don't mean I will not listen to it . I class myself as being very open minded .......maybe there lays the reason you have Two Room Venues , Oldies (only) Nights or The Modern Room.Punters do not seem to want to be open minded enough to listen to all aspects of soul (that is until a record has been played in a rare or modern room for 5yrs then it crosses into the ''Oldies room'' . God help us.

BTW with characters like yourself the scene is a long way from dying off

Mak ,some of these young pups think im talking rubbish when I say Ska was part of the scene in the early days..I dont think they realise the scene was in full swing before 1972

Bazza

[TOAD]

NO SKA OR REGGAE

WELL IVE HAD NOTHING BUT POSOTIVE COMMENTS WHEN I HAVE DJED AT MIDDLETON,RADCLIFFE AND PRESATYN AND ANOTHER SOUL PROMOTERS BOOKING ME FOR AN HOUR SO THATS THREE DIFFERANT PROMOTERS !

AND LOTS HAVE ENJOYED IT MORE THAN LISTENING TO RNB

EACH TO THERE OWN I SAY

[Guest]

It was part of the early club scene,around 67/68 ,yes before Mr Godin coined the phrase,

Bazza

Club scene whats that,ska your dumped you aint got soul

[Mak]

Mak ,some of these young pups think im talking rubbish when I say Ska was part of the scene in the early days..I dont think they realise the scene was in full swing before 1972

Bazza

And no bollitics , just Mods and Rockers

[Reg]

Mak ,some of these young pups think im talking rubbish when I say Ska was part of the scene in the early days..I dont think they realise the scene was in full swing before 1972

Bazza

Yeah but that's because the early scene was mainly Mods wasn't it? And Mods like Ska.

Edited March 18, 2008 by reg

[Bazza]

Club scene whats that,ska your dumped you aint got soul

Ken ,you know the scene did'nt suddenly appear 1972 when a chap called it "northern Soul " it was alive well before then

Bazza

[Guest]

Yeah but that's because the early scene was mainly Mods wasn't it? And Mods like Ska.

Let em`play it at home.......or ska/reggie club i mean no brainer realy.

[Little-stevie]

Why a spilt in the scene

Have a look at this thread in another 24 hours...

Across the board nights with 10 different types of sound would be hard to promote indeed...

Banjos/flares/whistle/crack/speed/pills/poppers/skinheads/mods/disco queens/ shandy drinkers/ two steppers/chin strokers/victor meldrews/ Wigan stompers/ Stafford plodders/ plumbers/ finance managers/ hookers/pimps/ junkies/ creeps/ piss heads/ posers/...

This would be really something to see..Back to the 80s

[Guest adlibsoul]

Seems to me that the original 60's soul scene was built on blues/r&b/ska/soul often played side-by-side in the same room/cellar. The change seems to have begun with the name "Northern "which later introduced a free-for-all musically in the early 70's so long as it was danceable.This moved the scene away from its original roots .It does now seem to have taken a huge leap again by disecting every track into a certain catagory and promotors stepping into a minefield if they happen to play a track that someone -or -other takes offence to-regarding its gendre.Think it was more fun when everything came under the same roof.Of course now there are more knowledgable people on the scene who are intense and passionate about their chosen "gendre" so they would like to keep their nights "pure" .Both sides have good arguements but for me it's "Back to the Roots".

[Ged Parker]

Just posing this question reinforces the divisions in the scene. I love soul music, why people insist on pigeon holing every tune just so others can decide whether or not they like it before they hear it is beyond me.

Mad I tell you, you're all mad

[Dendog]

Dennis if you went to either The Torch , The Casino or wherever ( i know you did)you will have heard ''Rare'' as most tunes played were rare .And Modern you heard that to etc , THE TEMPREES , THE CARSTAIRS and a host of others in fact you could say that in the 70's it was all rare , modern(by todays standards).

love THE KINGSWAY BTW

Yes I agree about the rare but as for modern never heard of back then we called new soul (newies) for some reason, but the biggest sounds back then is what we play now called floor fillers and a lot we didn't like was left behind as you well know.

But I do believe that every venue as some thing to offer and that the people on the dance floor dictate what music is played

If you have a boxful of Rare or boxful R&B and you're djin see how many hits the floor In today's venues!!!

On the other hand if have a good mix or records some thing to please every one then you are talking my kind of venue.

If you had one, two, or even three rooms would it stop the split? dont know

As for venues I would not go too if it played Rare or R&b all night. But that's my opinion and it splits me from some venues.

So as to what our m8 Bazz asked what is causing the split is the tunes and were its played.

im an old fart & Bias but i do love all my not bad records over 6000 on the last count from funk to Motown from R&B to soul

den

[Guest Roddy]

By its very nature the scene will fragment/split/grow as tastes change and new tunes are played.

I remember thinking jazz funk was the best thing when i was about 15, boy has that changed but i still own and like some of the records played then.

I think the current diversity is healthy ... but although i own a lot of gospel, seventies, oldies and modern records I dont want to hear them at venues I go to.

I like multi halled venues like middleton it allows the "horses for courses" and imo encourages the younger mod element into the events usually through the r&b rooms.

[Guest dundeedavie]

i think there is enough "across the board" venues and i'd like to see more genre specific venues ...of all kinds .

i feel it would allow dj's to delve deeper and express themselves more rather than a one size fits all - one room policy

[Guest]

Why a spilt in the scene

Have a look at this thread in another 24 hours...

Across the board nights with 10 different types of sound would be hard to promote indeed...

Banjos/flares/whistle/crack/speed/pills/poppers/skinheads/mods/disco queens/ shandy drinkers/ two steppers/chin strokers/victor meldrews/ Wigan stompers/ Stafford plodders/ plumbers/ finance managers/ hookers/pimps/ junkies/ creeps/ piss heads/ posers/...

This would be really something to see..Back to the 80s

.. it was possible ten years ago I reckon but not now.

I've got loads of friends who wouldn't pay to come out and only hear an hour or so of the music they really want to listen to. (I'd personally love it) but I suspect the scene's moved on musically more than you think since the resurgence of the 90's happened...

Jayne.x.

[Guest Bogue]

Why a spilt in the scene

Have a look at this thread in another 24 hours...

Across the board nights with 10 different types of sound would be hard to promote indeed...

Banjos/flares/whistle/crack/speed/pills/poppers/skinheads/mods/disco queens/ shandy drinkers/ two steppers/chin strokers/victor meldrews/ Wigan stompers/ Stafford plodders/ plumbers/ finance managers/ hookers/pimps/ junkies/ creeps/ piss heads/ posers/...

This would be really something to see..Back to the 80s

PLUMBERS ???? I'd draw the line there Stevie ! Just Electricians who have undergone an "ice pick lobotomy" !

Yes I agree about the rare but as for modern never heard of back then we called new soul (newies) for some reason, but the biggest sounds back then is what we play now called floor fillers and a lot we didn't like was left behind as you well know.

But I do believe that every venue as some thing to offer and that the people on the dance floor dictate what music is played

If you have a boxful of Rare or boxful R&B and you're djin see how many hits the floor In today's venues!!!

On the other hand if have a good mix or records some thing to please every one then you are talking my kind of venue.

If you had one, two, or even three rooms would it stop the split? dont know

As for venues I would not go too if it played Rare or R&b all night. But that's my opinion and it splits me from some venues.

So as to what our m8 Bazz asked what is causing the split is the tunes and were its played.

im an old fart & Bias but i do love all my not bad records over 6000 on the last count from funk to Motown from R&B to soul

den

I think what Dendog says is correct.

& it's pretty much pointless having a one room across the board policy at every venue if the dance floor dosen't go for it.

On paper it would be great but don't you find that the majority will always win out, so if there are more people into modern on the night, then that genre will dominate, & vice versa if there are more 60's purists. So eventualy the venue goes one way or tother.

Don't think you will ever cure it, & i think, at large venues, the two rooms format is probably best.

[KevH]

Why a spilt in the scene

Have a look at this thread in another 24 hours...

Across the board nights with 10 different types of sound would be hard to promote indeed...

Banjos/flares/whistle/crack/speed/pills/poppers/skinheads/mods/disco queens/ shandy drinkers/ two steppers/chin strokers/victor meldrews/ Wigan stompers/ Stafford plodders/ plumbers/ finance managers/ hookers/pimps/ junkies/ creeps/ piss heads/ posers/...

This would be really something to see..Back to the 80s

some of that list looks like your shopping list Steve. .

Didn't know there was a split in the scene. .

Music genres inevitably have "titles".Love what you love,don't get too confused if you find yourself liking another genre.

As Bazza says,its been a mixed bag since he was in short trousers.

But there's plenty of venues now if you need to "avoid" certain genres.

Hey i love football,but don't expect all fans to support who i support.

Bazza,supose we'll be seeing you at modern nites if the tag don't matter .

[Bazza]

some of that list looks like your shopping list Steve. .

Didn't know there was a split in the scene. .

Music genres inevitably have "titles".Love what you love,don't get too confused if you find yourself liking another genre.

As Bazza says,its been a mixed bag since he was in short trousers.

But there's plenty of venues now if you need to "avoid" certain genres.

Hey i love football,but don't expect all fans to support who i support.

Bazza,supose we'll be seeing you at modern nites if the tag don't matter .

er well erm...no cant see it kev

The point I was making Kev , is I like to hear all types, oldies, rare ,underplayed, R&B,the odd modern tune..But I dont want to hear any single type all night,

cya soon Kev

Bazza

[Bazza]

Koolcat ,Funny you should say that,.....the avatar does look a lot like me,and moves similar to me , yep the pistol....well you never know these days

Bazza

[Guest Bogue]

See what Koolkat means ! Perfect timing !

Like the tune by the way

[Shsdave]

One room would kill things a lot quicker than specialist clubs

As somebody mentioned we all have our preferences

Take an RnB night, a lot of people liken some of the tunes played as RnR (me included) but to the people who are into that scene what do they care of what others think. They go to that club because that is their preference.

Take the modern scene (somebody please take it) "some" people on that scene have no time for Northern which is why they go to modern clubs.

& the same can be said for Northern clubs against Modern. I have no interest in listening to modern soul music, if that makes me any less of a soul fan who cares ? I like 60s & I choose to attend clubs that reflect that attitude !!!

Of course there are many people who like to hear a bit of everything & so will go to the clubs that have an across the board policy but you are never going to please everyone.

At Prestatyn this year apart from the "big names" the music was awful in the main room

Right Track,Because of you, One wonderful Moment, Personally (Bobby Paris) etc etc etc & it has been explained to me that the reason these sort of records are played is because you have to appeal to the majority. Well I don't travel to bloody Prestatyn or anywhere else to listen to records like that.

If you're going to have all sorts of genres in a one room venue the same kind of attitude will emerge. Play the obvious music that will fill the floor ......Oh & drop the 50s RnB because it isn't soul music so shouldn't be played at a soul venue & most people don't like it anyway cause it's really RnR zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Dave]

Why not have it all in one room,why do we have these splits , it will kill the scene,it is doing now ,the scene has completly changed over the last 3 years ,because of it, I dont uderstand why you can't play it all ,am I wrong ..............Rant over

Bazza

Bazza, there's so much diversity now that it would be impossible to cover all genres equally and attract followers of each and keep them happy.

Like Steve said, that's not what's killing the scene.. it's the sheer volume of "across the board" soul nights run by wannabe DJ's. In this area "ATB" seems to mean overplayed records from all eras, and mostly easy-tempo to accomodate the less agile/over fortified punter.

I enjoy R&B/underplayed 60s nights, and you often see a few folks from these nights at "upfront" venues like Lifeline, but the reverse can seldom be said.

How many of the thousands of "classics" fans would go to a rare or R&B night? Very few. Some of the oldies brigade like a bit of modern, yes... about a dozen records that have become well known, and you wouldn't expect to see a modern fan dancing to Ruby Andrews or Willie Michell.

It's just asking too much IMO.

One of the best nights I attended last year was at The Fox... R&B, oldies, rare, modern, even a bit of funky stuff... and I heard a few moans about that even though the event was free!