Citizen P Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Maybe it's time to stop using the term Northern Soul on flyers for those nights that are not for the Oldies Only Brigade. Keep up the Good work. Tony
Paul Shirley Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Lots of people posting on here with the right attitude, but I would say we are the majority on Soul Source but the minority on the scene unfortunatley. I used to love Colin Murphy's do's and when we ran the Academy in Lytham Myself and Steve would always try to play things that were forgotten or new and interesting. There weren't enough wanting that as for some people it isn't about the music so much as the atmosphere. There was a thread on here a while ago asking whether people would prefer the social side of the scene without the music or the other way around and I was shocked how many chose the social side. I think you're right to stick to your guns, not sure I'd have used the mike though , but fairplay. I wish you loads of luck and may even try to get across one night. Ged you took the words out of my gob exactly ged , or you explaind it beter than i did ,i went to bed last night thinking there is a bit more to this its begining to sound very one sided i agree it is refreshing to hear stuff that sounds good you dont hear these days but for me its down to who is playing on the night whats on the flyer because i got to admit some dj's i know play extreme stuff that bore me but the point am making is in that case i wouldent dream of going and asking for stuff i know they dont want to play so i give it a mis , for me its all in the mix thats why i like tonys place the mix there dose it for me ,i also like modern tunes tony advertises with a bit of modern but its only a bit` so because i like all the other tunes played there it works for me fine, also what people call modern is another big dibate what across the board clubs that play the old stuff advertise as modern is the same old so called modern tunes that the oldies gang play month after month lol the modern music is vast and for that i traval to the orwell but not as offten as i would like , dose this sound confusing ??
Paul Shirley Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 (edited) hi pat , when are you back on at tonys do`? am told your at orell this saturday ? have you seen tonys pic lol haha best one on here look kids dont take amphetamins this is what you will end up looking like aahhhh Edited February 26, 2008 by mepaul50
debc Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 ooh dear . If they expect their 'oldies' is that what the night is advertised as? The original poster is quite right in saying what to expect from the night through its advertising, so should be no complaints from the attendees(yer gets wot yer pay for) simple as! I agree Deb some people are not up for 'new' stuff and there are plenty of places to go to get yer 'classic oldie' fix but if your 'local do' is one of em maybe its not the right place to try and convert the masses Strange bunch these northern soulies are!! they just won't be told whats best for them!! Hi, I only ever get asked to play at 'local' nights!! Plus it's advertised as across the board so I manage to get away with it I tend to buy stuff that the other 'local' Djs don't have (whats the point in us all having the same records??) so I don't really have many 'classics'. So I'm B**gered if anyone asks for them anyway Deb
Dave Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 (edited) Hey Hugh, Nice pun with the name, right it always seems to me that with the Oldies/Classic's (what ever they might be??) Brigade when you write on a flyer "Across the board", it actually translates in Oldietonian English to "Tune everyone knows (Including my Mum) the words to & are on every cd ever produced" & the mere mention anywhere of "Oldies" wether it be underplayed or semi-rare etc just means to them "Oldies we know & love". In conclusion, your Janus, they don't see & read the same as us & don't want to either, so you could put, "Across the board Flanagan & Allen" & they'd still expect Top 500, so let them moan, give them their money back & carry on regardless, the people you want will eventually search you out & then everyone will be happy. Take care, be safe & remember, "Refunds are available, if your not totally satisfied", Spot. p.s. By the way, Hey Hugh, don't get offa your cloud. As Pete has alluded, I think there is often a bit of ambiguity in the terms used to describe a night. In the east midlands and east anglia, "across the board" seldom means underplayed. It means well known/overplayed music, albeit including records made big in the last ten years, not just "classic" oldies. Edited February 26, 2008 by Dave
Pat Bleasdale Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 As Pete has alluded, I think there is often a bit of ambiguity in the terms used to describe a night. In the east midlands and east anglia, "across the board" seldom means underplayed. It means well known/overplayed music, albeit records made big in the last ten years, not just "classic" oldies. HI DAVE. THIS FLYER READS.....A NIGHT OF QUALITY UNDERPLAYED ACROSS THE BOARD SOUL AND R&B.
Paul-s Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Unfortunately some of the people who attend our venue cannot seem to grasp the music policy. There is a certain group who constantly harass the DJs to play overplayed oldies and one or two have given in to them and strayed from the desired music policy. Our last event took place on Saturday 23rd. February and started off really well----a good mix of across the board sounds which is what we state in our advertising. Unfortunately the aforementioned group attended the venue and started requesting sounds that are not appropriate to our policy. This led to the guest DJs playing tunes that were inappropriate to the night and resulted in a bit of ill feeling. Possibly I was wrong but I went on stage, took the mike and had words regarding the music and if people didn't like it they could always attend a number of other venues in the local area that will cater for their tastes. A group of people took offence and left the venue---never to return, I hope. I always find telling them to "F--k Off works well!
Paul-s Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Maybe it's time to stop using the term Northern Soul on flyers for those nights that are not for the Oldies Only Brigade. Keep up the Good work. Tony SPOT ON!
Jumpinjoan Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 not exactly sure about that one joan go to a club in preston as you mentiond before the place is full of people who know exactly what they want same old tunes of the casino days same for the club in wigan same for the club in st helens, all are full of people who know exactly what they want and all 3 do very very well , and we all dont go there because we want somthing diferant at tonys place he is talking about 2 or 3 people at the most , like the other guy says we also have loads of clubs around and most of us in lancashire have been around on this scene for a long time well again some of us given our history with some well known clubs ,its not always the punters fault some clubs i have been to also around lancashire have stated not the old stuff then play exactly that , on the other hand i have been to endles clubs that are well known for playing the old tunes with good atendance and its been the likes of us moaning and trying to change them but i would say in lancashire at the moment its not the punters its the clubs most make out across the board and rare and this and that but bottle it when no bugger dances or turns up i would say its us being the minoraty rather than the majoraty there is more of them than us lol and to be fair to tony he is one of the few that has stuck to his guns and like others have mentiond most punters now know exactly what to expect for us its only one or two die hards that have been coming for a long time that stil turn up and moan Jeez... after all the effort you put in to writing that post... I feel kind of reluctant to bring up the point that what I said... I said tongue in cheek
Wrongcrowd Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Maybe it's time to stop using the term Northern Soul on flyers for those nights that are not for the Oldies Only Brigade. Keep up the Good work. Tony Haven't used "Northern Soul" on any flyers since the 80's - always "Rare Soul", though it still confuses the hell out of the oldies punters
harpo1 Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Lots of people posting on here with the right attitude, but I would say we are the majority on Soul Source but the minority on the scene unfortunatley. I used to love Colin Murphy's do's and when we ran the Academy in Lytham Myself and Steve would always try to play things that were forgotten or new and interesting. There weren't enough wanting that as for some people it isn't about the music so much as the atmosphere. There was a thread on here a while ago asking whether people would prefer the social side of the scene without the music or the other way around and I was shocked how many chose the social side. I think you're right to stick to your guns, not sure I'd have used the mike though , but fairplay. I wish you loads of luck and may even try to get across one night. Ged well said.............we are with you all the way on that 1. and to qoute my mentor and boyfriend paul (harpo), "its not about playing expensive records,its about playing good records". (expensive overplayed records!!) good luck to you sandi and harpo
Soulgrit Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 HI DAVE. THIS FLYER READS.....A NIGHT OF QUALITY UNDERPLAYED ACROSS THE BOARD SOUL AND R&B. Pat, can't those punters who went, and some of the folk on here, grasp the point, there was no mention of northern/oldies on the flyer, it does what it say's on the tin. (see above). if people wanted to go to a oldies night ie, wigan revival, fancy dress n' all, they should read the flyers properly before making fool's of themself's The true soulie who travel's load's of mile's, who want's to learn and to hear new sound's 'dont want them around, they live in the past 'wigan this 'wigan that. Sod Em. Move On. ( not having ago at all the ex wiganers, just the one's that live in the past). Keep at it Tony, these folk are the minority, they don't travel, they don't want to move on. BUT WE DO. Willie
Guest gfarrington Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) have to admit i was guilty of listening to requests sometimes you cant win especially when the request is off your missus lol, hope i played enough underplayed stuff to get on again tony ,as for you longy when am i onin my home village in culcheth Edited February 27, 2008 by gfarrington
Paul Shirley Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) huh huh Edited February 27, 2008 by mepaul50
Brookesy Posted February 27, 2008 Author Posted February 27, 2008 Hi there.....only me again with a final few words on this subject. When I posted this thread I was not expecting the response it received, I just wanted to have my say before someone else got in before me! I must say the backing we have received from everyone on Soul Source has been tremendous and we truly appreciate all the positive comments posted. Ta very much! The event at the Legion is advertised as a night of quality underplayed across the board Soul and R&B. We do not use the term "Northern Soul" as we know this can lead to misunderstanding, but we are not against oldies being played at our venue as long as they fit in with our music policy. As I mentioned before we do not want a rarest of the rare night, just an alternative to some of the other nights currently running in the area. This is reflected in the varied playlist we have-----underplayed oldies, rare Motown, Soulful Crossover and Modern, Rockin' R&B, 60s Club Soul and even some Jamaican R&B. Putting music into various categories like this only leads to more confusion sometimes----I prefer the term "rare soul" but even this can be misinterpreted by some. So we have a night that simply plays something a bit different than an average oldies night but whether people like it or not is a different matter! The only way to find out is to come and have a listen for yourselves and see what you think. Some of the sounds that have proved popular at the Legion in the last couple of months are listed below, but this is not a definitive list and is only off the top of my head---there is loads of other stuff we also play, I just can't remember it all! Sam & Dave----You aint no big thing La Brenda Ben----Chaperone Chosen Few---Birth of a playboy Roger Hatcher---Sweetest girl in the world Oscar Perry---He sent me you Lenny Welch----Hundred pounds of pain Pioneers---My good friend James Sugar Simone----I wanna know Joyce Bond---Tell me what it's all about Danny Moore----Somebody new George Byrd----I'm available Errol Dixon---I want Bottom & Co----Gonna find a true love Billy Davis----Skanky San Francisco TKOs----Make up your mind Chancellors----All the way from heaven Volumes----My kind of girl Exits----Under the streetlamp Pentagons----I wonder Martha Reeves----Love guess who Vanguards----The thought of losing your love All these tunes, plus many more have been played at the Legion-----come along on the 22nd. March if it is to your taste, and have a listen!
Ezzie Brown Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 Keep with it and sod em, they knew what you were advertising but thought they could pressurise the DJs to play what they wanted. Me and my mate are trying to get our venue off the ground near Warrington playing under played 60s soul, R&B and a bit of popcorn so we are expecting the same sort of requests sooner or later but they wont get played I was talking to Mr Byrne on Saturday at the Hideaway who was telling me how good your venue was. Gonna have to come over and experience it for myself soon i demand OLDIES AND I DEMAND THEM.........................NEVER >>>>>>>>>>>>same deal as soul shack by the sounds of it, i played a dozen or so at there first do, most folk hadnt heard um before. and loved it ...way to go both venues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO SURRENDER STILL MILLIONS OF RECORDS OUT THERE TO TRY OUT!!!!!!!!!!! ezzie
Guest melandthensome Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 i demand OLDIES AND I DEMAND THEM.........................NEVER >>>>>>>>>>>>same deal as soul shack by the sounds of it, i played a dozen or so at there first do, most folk hadnt heard um before. and loved it ...way to go both venues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO SURRENDER STILL MILLIONS OF RECORDS OUT THERE TO TRY OUT!!!!!!!!!!! ezzie HEY EZZIE YOUR AN OLDIE.......ARF ARF YOUNG AT HEART MEL........LOL
Chalky Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 My point is, if I attend a venue with a particular music policy I would not dream of trying to change that policy. We are not trying to achieve anything revolutionary at Burscough, just play something a bit different to give people an alternative to all the oldies venues in the local area. Those who attend and demand the oldies are just plain selfish and show a complete lack of disregard and respect IMHO. They should respect the fact that the night is advertised as a night to hear something different. Stick to what you believe and advertise, if you lose a few punters so what, if you can live with that it won't matter. I bet they will be back before long though. It would appear that your message over the mic might have done the trick though. Good luck with the venue.
Nocker Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 Stick with it say's I. This is just the type of night we do at Denton Royal British Legion. The first year went down a storm, with a peek the Christmas before last at just under 200. Numbers have dropped off over the last year to about 30 per month, Sad really as most people seem to enjoy the nite but the lack of traditional oldies keeps people away in my view. But its what we want to do, so we are sticking with it, no mega bucks stuff, underpalyed soundsf as per your night. There are other trad oldies nights in the area, so good luck to them, but if people want something a bit different Denton RBL is the place. So again all the best to you and keep on in there.
Paul Shirley Posted February 29, 2008 Posted February 29, 2008 (edited) Pat, can't those punters who went, and some of the folk on here, grasp the point, there was no mention of northern/oldies on the flyer, it does what it say's on the tin. (see above). if people wanted to go to a oldies night ie, wigan revival, fancy dress n' all, they should read the flyers properly before making fool's of themself's The true soulie who travel's load's of mile's, who want's to learn and to hear new sound's 'dont want them around, they live in the past 'wigan this 'wigan that. Sod Em. Move On. ( not having ago at all the ex wiganers, just the one's that live in the past). Keep at it Tony, these folk are the minority, they don't travel, they don't want to move on. BUT WE DO. Willie true soulies ? "dont want them around " ? Edited February 29, 2008 by mepaul50
Paul Shirley Posted February 29, 2008 Posted February 29, 2008 (edited) ? Paul yeah i thort the same thing Edited February 29, 2008 by mepaul50
Guest helsbob Posted February 29, 2008 Posted February 29, 2008 Dave Byrne is one of our resident DJs at Burscough----great bloke and top DJ. We came to your first event at Warrington, great mix of music and we will be regulars there. Hope to see you soon. I used to go to a night in Burscough at 'Barons' i think it was called the 'somewhere else club' and was when i first heard Dave Byrne DJ. The music was fantastic but never many through the door. I will try and get down to your night as the more of this thread i read the more intrigued I am. If it's anything like the forementioned night or the soulful shack it will be my cup of tea. Hope to get there sometime in the near future Helen
Paul Shirley Posted February 29, 2008 Posted February 29, 2008 (edited) I used to go to a night in Burscough at 'Barons' i think it was called the 'somewhere else club' and was when i first heard Dave Byrne DJ. The music was fantastic but never many through the door. I will try and get down to your night as the more of this thread i read the more intrigued I am. If it's anything like the forementioned night or the soulful shack it will be my cup of tea. Hope to get there sometime in the near future Helen hi yeah tonys do is a bit diferant from the barons as that was a bit to extreme for us lot at times but dave is on here again soon not sure of a date for you but if i find out i will put it on here regards paul Edited February 29, 2008 by mepaul50
Brookesy Posted February 29, 2008 Author Posted February 29, 2008 I used to go to a night in Burscough at 'Barons' i think it was called the 'somewhere else club' and was when i first heard Dave Byrne DJ. The music was fantastic but never many through the door. I will try and get down to your night as the more of this thread i read the more intrigued I am. If it's anything like the forementioned night or the soulful shack it will be my cup of tea. Hope to get there sometime in the near future Helen Yes, I remember the Barons, just around the corner from the British Legion. It was a lot more R&B orientated than what we are doing now, as I said before we play a variety of types of music from R&B, Jamaican R7B, 60s Club Soul, underplayed northern, crossover and some modern. Dave Byrne is booked for four spots this year, we have a rota of DJs and different guests each month to keep things varied and fresh.
Munchkin Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 Maybe it's time to stop using the term Northern Soul on flyers for those nights that are not for the Oldies Only Brigade. Keep up the Good work. Tony SPOT ON! totally agree paul thats why we dont put it on our flyer munchkin
Guest helsbob Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 hi yeah tonys do is a bit diferant from the barons as that was a bit to extreme for us lot at times but dave is on here again soon not sure of a date for you but if i find out i will put it on here regards paul Thanks for your reply
Guest helsbob Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 Yes, I remember the Barons, just around the corner from the British Legion. It was a lot more R&B orientated than what we are doing now, as I said before we play a variety of types of music from R&B, Jamaican R7B, 60s Club Soul, underplayed northern, crossover and some modern. Dave Byrne is booked for four spots this year, we have a rota of DJs and different guests each month to keep things varied and fresh. Will hopefully get down and check it out - sounds very interesting. Cheers Helen
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