Guest Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I wasn't suggesting the grooves were different, I was suggesting that the outer edge and thickness and feel of the vinyl might be different. Yeah, I see what Seb is going on about the bevelled edge too. He is on about the run in edge is he not? Yup, it would be nice to know when these thing were pressed! Will we ever really know? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 (edited) Correct me if I am wrong, but don't the stampers press molten vinyl beads together to form the record? You are not wrong its pellets and its a gentle squeezing process, stampers come together pellets are heated and pumped in then it splits apart, trimmed up and labelled. So it should be an idetical twin to the original so if they used say the master tapes then that's a different thing all together. some other info about vinyl.... Usually pressed by Compression Moulding which allows the label to be an integral part of the pressing itself. This process also requires that there be extra material which spills out the sides of the press, therefore this extra material is routinely ground up and re-used. Because vinyl does not re-heat and re-cool to a smooth, glossy surface, the excessive use of re-grind mixed in with Virgin Vinyl can account for the inherently noisy surface of even unplayed Mint examples of the cheap pressings that some record companies used. Noise can be seen AND HEARD by looking at and/or playing the un-grooved surface of the lead-in and lead-out areas. If this area looks or sounds grainy, then the grooves will also have some of this grainy background sound. The stampers used for the compression moulding process will start to break down after only 1,000 pressings because they are forced to expand and contract when heated by steam at the start of the pressing cycle and then cooled to solidify the record. Some companies routinely overused their stampers. The 90's is I think the first time I recall seeing one of the gold presses. Edited February 24, 2008 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) I wasn't suggesting the grooves were different, I was suggesting that the outer edge and thickness and feel of the vinyl might be different. I don't think the original stampers were used, which would explain the bevelled edge and different look of the gold label one. I have never compared the two (three?) pressings side by side but the green original seems to have louder and better sound compared to the gold ones I have seen and heard. Edited February 27, 2008 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I wasn't suggesting the grooves were different, I was suggesting that the outer edge and thickness and feel of the vinyl might be different. I think the grooves are different too. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wrongcrowd Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) This was a Re-issue and was sold in the US. The record had been indemand with US soul harmony collectors long before it was indemand over here. Many of the 60's/70's Doo Wop collectors over there started collecting soul harmony records as a natural progression. Guys like Jeff Beckman had major collection with many of the rarest northern tunes in, way back then and many the UK still hadn't discovered. It always amazes me that people over here think we discovered everything first. Although they have a completely different scene over there, there have been many major collectors of rare soul in the states as long as there have been here. Infact many UK dealers as early as the 70's knew these guys and would visit them to find new tunes. The thing I can't figure on this "legal re-issue" is if it was repressed for the group collectors then why didn't their other Voice release "Summer Kind Of Love" get a repress at the same time. SKOL is far more of a group harmony collector sound than YLIGS, and I would had said equally as tough to find. I'm still with the sceptics on this, and am far more inclined to believe it was re-pressed more recently than the the late 70's, legal or not for the UK scene. If they were around since the early 70's then it's hard to believe that only turned up "recently" with our friend from Vegas. Edited March 14, 2008 by Wrongcrowd Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 The thing I can't figure on this "legal re-issue" is if it was repressed for the group collectors then why didn't their other Voice release "Summer Kind Of Love" get a repress at the same time. SKOL is far more of a group harmony collector sound than YLIGS, and I've had said equally as tough to find. I'm still with the sceptics on this, and am far more inclined to believe it was re-pressed more recently than the the late 70's, legal or not for the UK scene. If they were around since the early 70's then it's hard to believe that only turned up "recently" with our friend from Vegas. Cliff i`ve just dug out the "SKOL/WALITG" and noticed it has a "Archer" stamp rather than the "NM" stamp,i assume the Green copy of "YLIGS/WALH" has a "NM" stamp rather than the "Archer" stamp,also i think the Gold copys were pressed up in the mid to late 90s. Dave f.......... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wrongcrowd Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Cliff i`ve just dug out the "SKOL/WALITG" and noticed it has a "Archer" stamp rather than the "NM" stamp,i assume the Green copy of "YLIGS/WALH" has a "NM" stamp rather than the "Archer" stamp,also i think the Gold copys were pressed up in the mid to late 90s. Dave f.......... Yep, you're right Dave Nashville Matrix on YLIGS, though publishing credits are the same, and the release numbers are consecutive (which is quite amazing for small labels )....not convinced mate... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 our friend from Vegas. those four words are enough to make me sceptical Afraid Dave I am with the 9os boys on this. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Afraid Dave I am with the 9os boys on this. Steve i did say imo it was done mid to late 90s,and like Cliff said if they were done when they said they was,why did no one see them till the mid 90s Cheers Dave f............ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Steve i did say imo it was done mid to late 90s,and like Cliff said if they were done when they said they was,why did no one see them till the mid 90s Cheers Dave f............ I meant I was disagreeing with Dave T. (not Dave F.) Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 I meant I was disagreeing with Dave T. (not Dave F.) Steve Too many Dave`s Dave f (not T) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wrongcrowd Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 I meant I was disagreeing with Dave T. (not Dave F.) Steve I knew what you meant Steve..... Dave (F) just having a blonde moment Anyway so that's three of us lined up in the sceptics team Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Anyway so that's three of us lined up in the sceptics team Add me. I'm not sceptic though, I'm convinced that it's an 80s or 90s pressing. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 and me......... ive already said my peice on page 1 and im dave p dp Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 I saw these around the time of the limited repress of the Four Tracks [ Mandingo ] and Johnny Honeycutt , in the 90's.Best ,Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Its still not making sense, if the Nashville pressing plant closed in the 70ts and then these records made in the 90ts are counterfeits. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Add me. I'm not sceptic though, I'm convinced that it's an 80s or 90s pressing. and me ........Best ,Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Damian Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Going crazy here, what should the matrix markings be on a *legit* 2nd issue? I know it's not the green label yadda yadda but I can't plonk down a grand on an original, and would at least like to have a legit 2nd issue. Cheers.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 On 2/19/2008 at 15:15, Dave Thorley said: This was a Re-issue and was sold in the US. The record had been in demand with US soul harmony collectors long before it was in demand over here. Many of the 60's/70's Doo Wop collectors over there started collecting soul harmony records as a natural progression. Guys like Jeff Beckman had major collection with many of the rarest northern tunes in, way back then and many the UK still hadn't discovered. It always amazes me that people over here think we discovered everything first. Although they have a completely different scene over there, there have been many major collectors of rare soul in the states as long as there have been here. In fact many UK dealers as early as the 70's knew these guys and would visit them to find new tunes. Yes. I'M one of those blokes. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
25miles Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 On 20/02/2008 at 01:14, Guest said: Has Val still got his shop? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sozuXWI-Kg4 well worth a visit............ great guys Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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