A Great Shame

[Northern Soul Uk]

I have been into the Northern scene for over 30 years now, I had a break of some 10 years to fullfill my dream of becoming a well known DJ in another type of music, which I won't name. I saw the error of my ways eventually and started collecting Northern again some 3 years ago. I started going to a few venues around the Leeds/West Yorkshire area. The first one I went to (no names mentioned) there were very few tunes that I recognised, I put that down to me being off the scene for a while. The next one, I recognised most if not all the tracks that were being played. I got talking to a guy at the second venue and mentioned the first place I had been to, and he said that where I had been was not a Northern Soul night, but a 'rare and underplayed' night. He went on to say that there is quite a rift between the followers of each type of music, and that at a lot of venues, Northern oldies were frowned upon and vice versa. When I left the scene it was one big happy family. I understand that the scene has to move on, but let's not forget the roots that placed Northern soul firmly on the map of UK music, and formed the first ever underground dance scene in the world. Why the division?

[Chalky]

There's always been divison musically hasn't there?

When it comes to musical choice soulies tend to be pretty selfish and unprepered to tolerate anything they don't wish to hear even though it's what others want....shame really. With a little more tolerance from everyone there's room for everything thrown in together, oldies , newies, modern etc.

Edited February 17, 2008 by chalky

[Guest Trevski]

Can't work it out Steve, from my point of view, some people seem to have a 'cut off' point where they don't want to hear anything new. Calling a Rare and underplayed night "not norther soul' is an appalling, but typical attitude. To many punters Northern Soul is oldies they all know, anything else is not Northern Soul in their book! The scene was founded on rare and unknown records. Every tune ever played was unknown til it was played out! Check the playlists from Cleckheaton last nite. A good mix of known and lesser known items, all well apreciated and a good dancefloor all nite. Can't see how anyone, (apart from the most closed-minded "I only like what i like" merchants), woul'dnt have enjoyed hearing the majority of plays. Don't like the divison, if its good, its good, and a mix of classic, raities, and lesser known tunes always provides the best night for me, at least! The rift is mostly between stick-in-the-mud I only want nostalgia types and those that want to keep moving forward. That's not to say you can't acknowledge the past, and spin some quality oldies, but you can't ignore newer stuff. It's what keeps the scene fresh, and given a few years down the line, the 'oldies only merchants' are dancing to things they wouldn't touch a couple of years earlier, cos it was new! You only have to go to the Ritz to see 'em dancing to the Parliaments, Joe Jamma, etc. Not long ago it was "Oooh I can't dance to them, I don't know 'em!"

Edited February 17, 2008 by Trevski

[Northern Soul Uk]

There's always been divison musically hasn't there?

When it comes to musical choice soulies tend to be pretty selfish and unprepered to tolerate anything they don't wish to hear even though it's what others want....shame really. With a little more tolerance from everyone there's room for everything thrown in together, oldies , newies, modern etc.

Yes there was a division'ish even in the 70s, what with Wigan etc. and Blackpool Mecca and the like, but folks from the Casino type places would also go to the Mecca and vise versa. What a wonderful world it would be if all types of Soul music was played at one venue. I'd definately be up for it.

[Guest in town Mikey]

I think its inevitable that a scene going as long as the underground soul scene has that the musical tastes will vary greatly.

I prefer to hear new tunes rather than the tired same old tunes. It doesnt mean that I dont love 'em. I dont really think theree is an actual division. Sometimes people can be precious. Thats about it.

There has been oldies and newies venues as long as I've been going, since the late 70s. Most people like me, will visit both and enjoy them equally.

[Pauldonnelly]

apart from the national big venues all of the soul nights across the uk are 'oldies orientated' most of the stuff we play at the DKOF has been played one place or another.

My take on it is, if you know all the words it shouldn;t be getting plays..

[Chalky]

Yes there was a division'ish even in the 70s, what with Wigan etc. and Blackpool Mecca and the like, but folks from the Casino type places would also go to the Mecca and vise versa. What a wonderful world it would be if all types of Soul music was played at one venue. I'd definately be up for it.

can I suggest Lifeline then

[Northern Soul Uk]

can I suggest Lifeline then

Thanks for that, looked at the link and it looks the place for me, I should imagine I will be darkening the doorway before too long.

[Guest Trevski]

Thanks for that, looked at the link and it looks the place for me, I should imagine I will be darkening the doorway before too long.

Just followed your link to your site Steve "Male 34 years old" !!! You little fibber! YOU were at the Central when I was there in '72!! 

[Guest Bearsy]

Can't work it out Steve, from my point of view, some people seem to have a 'cut off' point where they don't want to hear anything new. Calling a Rare and underplayed night "not norther soul' is an appalling, but typical attitude. To many punters Northern Soul is oldies they all know, anything else is not Northern Soul in their book! The scene was founded on rare and unknown records. Every tune ever played was unknown til it was played out! Check the playlists from Cleckheaton last nite. A good mix of known and lesser known items, all well apreciated and a good dancefloor all nite. Can't see how anyone, (apart from the most closed-minded "I only like what i like" merchants), woul'dnt have enjoyed hearing the majority of plays. Don't like the divison, if its good, its good, and a mix of classic, raities, and lesser known tunes always provides the best night for me, at least! The rift is mostly between stick-in-the-mud I only want nostalgia types and those that want to keep moving forward. That's not to say you can't acknowledge the past, and spin some quality oldies, but you can't ignore newer stuff. It's what keeps the scene fresh, and given a few years down the line, the 'oldies only merchants' are dancing to things they wouldn't touch a couple of years earlier, cos it was new! You only have to go to the Ritz to see 'em dancing to the Parliaments, Joe Jamma, etc. Not long ago it was "Oooh I can't dance to them, I don't know 'em!"

spot on Trevski

ive only been in the scene a few years and i am already amazed at how some music is just ignored because its not known

[Jez Jones]

apart from the national big venues all of the soul nights across the uk are 'oldies orientated' most of the stuff we play at the DKOF has been played one place or another.

My take on it is, if you know all the words it shouldn;t be getting plays..

There goes me chance of hearing American Pie--- Don Mclean then

Seriously though everyone must have a couple of favourite classic stompers that they don't mind hearing played out. Trouble is though everyones couple of favourite stompers are different perhaps thats why classic only nights are tiresome for a lot of folks

[Northern Soul Uk]

Just followed your link to your site Steve "Male 34 years old" !!! You little fibber! YOU were at the Central when I was there in '72!!

Heheh! not you as well. The 34 years refers to the time that I have been into Northern Soul, not my age, I WISH!!!!

[Guest bazabod_downunder]

I have been into the Northern scene for over 30 years now, I had a break of some 10 years to fullfill my dream of becoming a well known DJ in another type of music, which I won't name. I saw the error of my ways eventually and started collecting Northern again some 3 years ago. I started going to a few venues around the Leeds/West Yorkshire area. The first one I went to (no names mentioned) there were very few tunes that I recognised, I put that down to me being off the scene for a while. The next one, I recognised most if not all the tracks that were being played. I got talking to a guy at the second venue and mentioned the first place I had been to, and he said that where I had been was not a Northern Soul night, but a 'rare and underplayed' night. He went on to say that there is quite a rift between the followers of each type of music, and that at a lot of venues, Northern oldies were frowned upon and vice versa. When I left the scene it was one big happy family. I understand that the scene has to move on, but let's not forget the roots that placed Northern soul firmly on the map of UK music, and formed the first ever underground dance scene in the world. Why the division?

As it's already been said, there has always been a bit of a division with attendees lending towards 'their' favourite genre, obviously at some veunes it's more marked than elsewhere, here we tend to have an across the board policy.....really the only policy is too keep the dance floor moving.

I personally lean towards predominently oldies but always up to listen to something new, which also leads to the question what is 'modern', weren't all the oldies modern once?

I've attached a great track by Joi Cardwell - Let It Go, absolute cracking modern track.

KTF

Baz

15._Joi_Cardwell___Let_It_Go.mp3

[Guest Black Gold of the Sun]

As it's already been said, there has always been a bit of a division with attendees lending towards 'their' favourite genre, obviously at some veunes it's more marked than elsewhere, here we tend to have an across the board policy.....really the only policy is too keep the dance floor moving.

I personally lean towards predominently oldies but always up to listen to something new, which also leads to the question what is 'modern', weren't all the oldies modern once?

I've attached a great track by Joi Cardwell - Let It Go, absolute cracking modern track.

KTF

Baz

Sam,s been playing this out at ,nighters last few months ,Went down a storm at last Middleton.Great tune.

[Guest Trevski]

Sam,s been playing this out at ,nighters last few months ,Went down a storm at last Middleton.Great tune.

It is rather nice! Anyone know any links for a sale copy?

[KevH]

Some people are just happy with what they know.In their comfort zone.Reliving memories,from back in the day or more recent.

Some want the boundaries pushing back musically on, not just a yearly basis, but a daily basis!!!.

There lies the split,one group not wanting to hear "new" sounds,the other bored with the same old.

Imho.

[Sharon Cooper]

Some people are just happy with what they know.In their comfort zone.Reliving memories,from back in the day or more recent.

Some want the boundaries pushing back musically on, not just a yearly basis, but a daily basis!!!.

There lies the split,one group not wanting to hear "new" sounds,the other bored with the same old.

Imho.

Very eloquently and succinctly put Mr H; I think that you`re spot on.

S

[Guest Pete Griffin]

There is nothin wrong with hearing a oldie as well as a newie, as long as its from 1958 till 1969 for me

There are loads of stuff i dont know from wigan to stafford ect, i was to young for Wigan and mist out of the end of Stafford.

Some record dealer told me that the 45s i buy, i would have loved the music at Staff.

Pete Griff.

[CAMBRIDGE SOUL]

My take on it is, if you know all the words it shouldn;t be getting plays..

Bugger, that just cut my collection down 2 about 10 45's i can play .... be even less next week.... and 5 are so bad i don't want to know the words!

[CAMBRIDGE SOUL]

There is nothin wrong with hearing a oldie as well as a newie, as long as its from 1958 till 1969 for me

where's the newie come in then ??????? could play a nina simone track for you but i know all the words, so i can't play that one and i think it's pre 58 anyway

[Guest Mark Holmes]

Nostalgia is the word that springs to mind. I think there is nothing more exciting when the first few bars of a song you know all the words to are heard, You know the words, when certain instruments kick in, when to spin etc etc. I don't htink there is anyhing wrong with knowing a records "guts" at all.

I do think that if you can't listen to and embrace stuff you have never heard before how will you ever expand your brain musically. I agree there aren't as many new songs that kick start me from the first few bars but i do appreciate the people who are still looking for them and have the balls to play them, as long as they don't slag everyone off if they honestly don't like them.

"DJ's" who aren't in the business of finding new and different sounds shouldn't berate those who take the time and effort. However once a sound has become recognized they should not jump on it as if they caught a plane to the US and crawled up a dusty warehouse chimney and "discovered" it.

I enjoy listening as much as dancing to this music, its never been a peeing contest on who discovered what and when and whats kosher and whats not and whats new and whats old, its just what i like to do.

IMHO

Wasn't it Timmy Thomas who sang "Why Can't We Live Together"?

[CAMBRIDGE SOUL]

Being serious though I think it has been the same for many years .... it's only when I talk to people that went to the torch and they say 70% of what was played, was new to them that night .... but that was at the start or the northern scene.... it's now 2008 and I think we are doing well, as you can go to many venues and hear music from mid 50's to 2005 and most people are happy with that .... it's generally the minority that say "too many oldies" or "too much modern "(some of this "modern " is 30years old !)....

Threads on here have said why is the main room at prestatyn not used for a rare soul set for an evening at a prime time .... well in reality it would never work as the room needs 500+ just to look busy... it's not an option and if they became the promoter, putting their hard earned cash on the line then I think they would not risk it either .... there are lots of places that have rare soul nights and they do well .... my only take on this area is just because it's rare don't mean it's good !

also there are plenty of £5-£15 chooons out there that can make up an awesome set , including many underplayed chooons !

Edited February 17, 2008 by CAMBRIDGE SOUL

[Guest Pete Griffin]

[There is nothin wrong with hearing a oldie as well as a newie, as long as its from 1958 till 1969 for me

where's the newie come in then ??????? could play a nina simone track for you but i know all the words, so i can't play that one and i think it's pre 58 anyway

[CAMBRIDGE SOUL]

[There is nothin wrong with hearing a oldie as well as a newie, as long as its from 1958 till 1969 for me

where's the newie come in then ??????? could play a nina simone track for you but i know all the words, so i can't play that one and i think it's pre 58 anyway

Mmmmm!!! there is a chance i may like it then, and it will be a newie to me

Pete Griff

[Dave Fleming]

Sam,s been playing this out at ,nighters last few months ,Went down a storm at last Middleton.Great tune.

Brought this as a new release in 2000,along with alot of other like minded souls at the time,

so it`s had many plays on and off over the last 8 years by various people.

Dave f..............

[Souljazera]

check her other great tracks too like TROUBLE may i suggest the tom moulton mix or the very rare WAS IT SOMETHING THAT I SAID...all killers imo.

hello dave

[Northern Soul Uk]

I agree that this track (Joi Cardwell) is an excellent track, I have many of her records, she is a House music artist. There are also many other House tracks that have and could make it onto the Northern scene, after all, House is mainly the same tempo as Northern anyway 120-135ish bpm and much of it is very soulful. Take Driza Bone - Pressure, an out and out House track and produced by one of the foremost House producers, Roger Sanchez, who I have had the pleasure of DJing with on more than one occasion. I am suprized that CeCe Rogers - Someday hasn't been played on the Northern scene yet, as it is probably the most soulful House track ever, or has it? Kim English - Simply grateful, yet another House track and artist. I am pleased that these type of tunes are crossing over, I have literally hundreds of soulful House tracks that could easily be played at Northern nights. The other music that I didn't mention in the original post was House music, that is the type of music that I started to play out after the northern stuff and I've been collecting it for some 15 years so you can imagine I have a few. I have thought numerous times whan I have heard a soulful house track that it could pass as a Northern tune. Maybe this is the way forward, blending Northern oldies, newies and Soulful House tunes? Bring it on!!!

Edited February 18, 2008 by steveluigi

[Guest JJMMWGDuPree]

spot on Trevski

ive only been in the scene a few years and i am already amazed at how some music is just ignored because its not known

Whereas I'm a little surprised at the way some music is just ignored because it is known! Could this be why the guy who informed me that the stuff I've been collecting all these years was Northern soul said I was a 'Type 2' fan?

The thought occurs to me that the 60s offshore radio jocks, who for a lot of the time had a pretty free rein over what they played (Within reason) by virtue of being separated from the management by a few miles of extrememly tall water, seemed to have the knack of playing new records mixed with popular records and knew exactly when to 'Revive a 45'. So maybe it's the DJs who've lost the knack.

...or maybe they're just situated a little too close to their audience...

[Guest bazabod_downunder]

I am suprized that CeCe Rogers - Someday hasn't been played on the Northern scene yet, as it is probably the most soulful House track ever, or has it?

Yes it has Steve, big time downunder, was 1st played at here Billy's on The Gold Coast in 2004 by one of my partners in crime Ainsley White (originally from Warrington...well somebodies got to be) & went down an absolute storm in the modern room of the 2004 Australian National Northern Soul Weekender in Brisbane, susequently has been played out many a time albeit an edited version.

Also Carmelita - Isn't It Lonely was played here before Soul Sam picked it up.

I've attached the re-edit version of CeCe Rogers....enjoy!

KTF

Baz

Ce_Ce_Rogers___Someday.mp3

[Jez Jones]

Yes it has Steve, big time downunder, was 1st played at here Billy's on The Gold Coast in 2004 by one of my partners in crime Ainsley White (originally from Warrington...well somebodies got to be) & went down an absolute storm in the modern room of the 2004 Australian National Northern Soul Weekender in Brisbane, susequently has been played out many a time albeit an edited version.

Also Carmelita - Isn't It Lonely was played here before Soul Sam picked it up.

I've attached the re-edit version of CeCe Rogers....enjoy!

KTF

Baz

Just listened to that and yes its quite pleasant but....... it doesn't kick you in the bo**ocks like 'northern soul does!! But that is my perception of what I think northern soul is. Everyone will have different perceptions of what northern soul is . This will be as a result from stuff like age , where you live, your peers , even your mood at the time, and where you were/are exposed to it. There will be afew people on the scene that will have the 'same' perceptions of Northern soul due to the above (trick is to get them altogether at the same time and put a soul do on ) Obviously that would prove nigh on impossible. Nearest you are gonna get to something like that is when people put on do's like torch revival night or wheel classics night where people who go should theoretically be there for the same 'type' of nothern soul. even then you get disagreements like.....'this was never played at the wheel .........or never heard this b***ard at the torch' and it goes on and on

Back to the sentiment of the original thread 'A Great Shame'. Maybe its not such a great shame and it is just diversity. back in the day I reckon there were very few derivatives of northern soul. every 'new' record that was broke semed to be a 'stomper' . Very few people would say f**k me thats shite, because there semed to be little or no alternatives to the 'stomper '.

Now there is so many more derivatives of northern soul and therefore more potential for differing opinions. perhaps when the concept of having 2 rooms at a do(you know one for 'northern the other for modern, RnB or whatever) opened up more choices for people therefore more opinions and therefore divisions, but I think that is too strong a word.

Wonder what would have happened all those years ago if the 2nd or 3rd room had not been introduced and it was all in one big room . i think the scene may have taken a seperatist line and divisions would have been rife.(or maybe we would be stomping till we collect our pension) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So maybe its still one big happy family as Steve said it used to be but like all happy families disagreements do happen (do in mine anyway ) .

Now maybe this is another thread but who really thinks that the soul scene is better now than 30 odd years ago.

Or is it like 'summers always used to be better when i wos a kid!!!

Jez

[Guest Leigh J]

When I arrived on the NS scene via the Mod scene in the early 80's the thing that amazed me was the sheer amount of music to discover .Hearing something new made it all worth while , Stafford was the place for me 60's newies , Guy , Keb , pat Brady etc ..... We always came away with a buzz after hearing new stuff , trying to work out who the cover ups actually were .

Nuneaton was always (still Is) a stronghold for NS but we were usually shunned when we did people tapes ,DJ'd or did the odd soul night for trying to play something different .

'THATS NOT PROPER NORTHERN' GET THIS SHIT OFF AND PLAY SOME OLDIES

Ive always much prefered 60's music , the rest just doesnt do it for me but I never knocked anyone for liking it or playing it , its all about personel taste .

I cant get my head round the fact that some have listned to the same few tracks for nigh on 30 years and wont consider anything else . I was looking on a soul night web site recently and the promoter was looking for punters to come up with a few requests before the night ;Connie Clark , Cooperettes , Sam & Kitty ,Dana Valery , Paul Humphrey etc.....

I collected a lot of unknowns , a fair few went massive a few years later , at the time not many seemed prepared to listen , I just got the usual abuse .

Comfort Zones and nostalgia have been mentioned add no imagination to that and thats exactly it , we mustnt confuse true soul music fans with people who want to relive the 70's once a month .

One thing that did make me smile recently was a certain person who gave me a bit of stick in the mid 90's published a top ten on a web site and there were three tracks in there that I was playing ten years earlier .

Im still on the look out for things that are new to me , its mainly of the R&B variety , but theres still loads of stuff out there , thanks to the forward looking people on this site .

[Guest maria]

apart from the national big venues all of the soul nights across the uk are 'oldies orientated' most of the stuff we play at the DKOF has been played one place or another.

My take on it is, if you know all the words it shouldn;t be getting plays..

[Guest maria]

apart from the national big venues all of the soul nights across the uk are 'oldies orientated' most of the stuff we play at the DKOF has been played one place or another.

My take on it is, if you know all the words it shouldn;t be getting plays..

Paul, is this your dry sense of humour coming through?

[Guest ang b]

Yes it has Steve, big time downunder, was 1st played at here Billy's on The Gold Coast in 2004 by one of my partners in crime Ainsley White (originally from Warrington...well somebodies got to be) & went down an absolute storm in the modern room of the 2004 Australian National Northern Soul Weekender in Brisbane, susequently has been played out many a time albeit an edited version.

Also Carmelita - Isn't It Lonely was played here before Soul Sam picked it up.

I've attached the re-edit version of CeCe Rogers....enjoy!

KTF

Baz

i like this tune but not to dance i could listen to that stuff all day but not night

[Guest Black Gold of the Sun]

It is rather nice! Anyone know any links for a sale copy?

Been looking for one for months Trev (at the right price ,of course) not got one yet

[spot]

Can't work it out Steve, from my point of view, some people seem to have a 'cut off' point where they don't want to hear anything new. Calling a Rare and underplayed night "not norther soul' is an appalling, but typical attitude. To many punters Northern Soul is oldies they all know, anything else is not Northern Soul in their book! The scene was founded on rare and unknown records. Every tune ever played was unknown til it was played out! Check the playlists from Cleckheaton last nite. A good mix of known and lesser known items, all well apreciated and a good dancefloor all nite. Can't see how anyone, (apart from the most closed-minded "I only like what i like" merchants), woul'dnt have enjoyed hearing the majority of plays. Don't like the divison, if its good, its good, and a mix of classic, raities, and lesser known tunes always provides the best night for me, at least! The rift is mostly between stick-in-the-mud I only want nostalgia types and those that want to keep moving forward. That's not to say you can't acknowledge the past, and spin some quality oldies, but you can't ignore newer stuff. It's what keeps the scene fresh, and given a few years down the line, the 'oldies only merchants' are dancing to things they wouldn't touch a couple of years earlier, cos it was new! You only have to go to the Ritz to see 'em dancing to the Parliaments, Joe Jamma, etc. Not long ago it was "Oooh I can't dance to them, I don't know 'em!"

Trev, "Nail on the head" springs to mind, lets not forget that in reality 90% are Oldies (well once I was 40 I felt old)& there will be a massive amount of "Rare & Under played" tunes, cos in 1972 (when I first met you Steve at Leeds Central) & next few years there must have only been a few thousand tracks to hear & only a few venues to go to compared to today, so a wider spectrum today which give way to more chances of disagreeing.

Can't believe someone said they like newies but only between 1958 & 1969, which to me is a contradiction in terms, I know they meant new finds but you get my drift.Also todays unknowns become tomorrows accepted sounds & underplayed Oldies become reactivated monsters. As you well know I don't like Doo wop & R&B or Modern two step but go away & chat or have a drink whilst it's being played, not whinge & whine while it on as other people appreciated & love it.

This seems not to be the case with the Oldies only fans, who are very vocal & verciferous about it, recently at at top Oldies venue some more recent tunes came on & a large section of punters sat down & a lot (not all) started bleating about "Modern shite" etc & slagging the Dj but when a Dj then played; Dj Genisis,Joe Jama, Margaret Little, Joseph Webster etc most return to dancing quiet happy that Oldies where back on, Doh!! If you know what I mean??

I love Oldies as much as I love the newer rarer & underplayed stuff so I'm not that biased I hope, remember nobody forces you to go to a venue & if certain people go there then you know roughly the music policy & you can steer clear & leave the "Top 500" people to it.

Well there's my small insights & gems on the subject or as some will say, "Load of Bo**ox's" he talks but hey, just an opinion.

Take care, be safe & remember new experiences are good for the SOUL,

Spot.

[BrianB]

I have been into the Northern scene for over 30 years now, I had a break of some 10 years to fullfill my dream of becoming a well known DJ in another type of music, which I won't name. I saw the error of my ways eventually and started collecting Northern again some 3 years ago. I started going to a few venues around the Leeds/West Yorkshire area. The first one I went to (no names mentioned) there were very few tunes that I recognised, I put that down to me being off the scene for a while. The next one, I recognised most if not all the tracks that were being played. I got talking to a guy at the second venue and mentioned the first place I had been to, and he said that where I had been was not a Northern Soul night, but a 'rare and underplayed' night. He went on to say that there is quite a rift between the followers of each type of music, and that at a lot of venues, Northern oldies were frowned upon and vice versa. When I left the scene it was one big happy family. I understand that the scene has to move on, but let's not forget the roots that placed Northern soul firmly on the map of UK music, and formed the first ever underground dance scene in the world. Why the division?

When did you leave the scene Steve? 1972?

It has always been divided, and I would dare say, never been one big happy family.

I have been attending NS venues since 1970 and would go so far as to say the NS scene has never been in such a bad shape, and I for one am totally disillusioned with it.

[Guest]

I have been attending NS venues since 1970 and would go so far as to say the NS scene has never been in such a bad shape, and I for one am totally disillusioned with it.

Could you expand on that Brian, I'd be interested to hear why some people think its in a bad shape. I keep hearing 'the mod scenes in bad shape' and compared to that the soul scene seems to be doing pretty damn well! (in terms of the numbers of events and the actual numbers at each event).

The divide between 'newbies' and 'oldies' is DJ driven surely - a lot of regular DJs understandably want to play new stuff, and some think there should be nights sepcifically dedicated to them. I think thats fine, but its gonna limit your audience somewhat. The 'best' DJs always mix it up IMHO (because you can't assume to know the musical knowledge of everyone in the room - unless that room solely consists of 15 of yer mates! )

[Guest Pete Griffin]

Can't believe someone said they like newies but only between 1958 & 1969, which to me is a contradiction in terms, I know they meant new finds but you get my drift.

Hi, It does say my name on the Post you Know .

I always thought thats what it was called "newie" when it is new to the scene what ever the year it is.

If its the first time i have herd a song. it will be new one to me.

Pete Griff

[Wrongcrowd]

can I suggest Lifeline then

It sounds like you'd be in good company at Creative Soul too

Edited February 18, 2008 by Wrongcrowd

[Pete S]

Can't believe someone said they like newies but only between 1958 & 1969, which to me is a contradiction in terms, I know they meant new finds but you get my drift.

Hi, It does say my name on the Post you Know .

I always thought thats what it was called "newie" when it is new to the scene what ever the year it is.

If its the first time i have herd a song. it will be new one to me.

Pete Griff

Thats exactly what it means Pete.

When are people going to realise that the music of the era mentioned above is the preferred type of music that MANY people enjoy listening to and aren't interested in anything else? What relevence has a 1975 produced record to someone who likes early 60's rhythm & blues? I like 60's ska and reggae, does it follow that I should like f*cking ragga and digital reggae? It's rubbish, it has no connection to the music of the 60's which I like so why should I want to listen to it? And more to the point, why are certain people on a mission to convert people like me to their sh*t music?

[macca]

I think it's human nature in that we all like to hear something that's at least familiar to us.

I heard Ray Agee 'I'm Losing Again' for the first time a couple of years ago.

I was at the 100 Club, & after hearing a rake of familiar sounds like tamiko jones, joe matthews etc,

on came this record that made me put down my pint at the bar & run for the nearest 'knowledgeable head' for info.

the record is obviously not a newie, but it was new to me. I was simply blown away.

I think we have to distinguish between the new & the merely unfamiliar.

I think even the most hardened oldies only guy/gal would be open to a sound like Ray Agee.

It also has to be said that even at an oldies nights we might get to hear something unfamiliar.

I can think of loads of tunes where I've thought to myself 'how the feck did this pass me by?'.

Recent examples for me would be Johnny Daye 'Keep On Loving You Baby' & the wonderful (for me) Jive Five 'Your A Puzzle'. Must I have had cloth ears in 1976 or were they simply conditioned to home in on other sorts of stuff?

Am I misunderstanding the thread?

[Guest Leigh J]

Thats exactly what it means Pete.

When are people going to realise that the music of the era mentioned above is the preferred type of music that MANY people enjoy listening to and aren't interested in anything else? What relevence has a 1975 produced record to someone who likes early 60's rhythm & blues? I like 60's ska and reggae, does it follow that I should like f*cking ragga and digital reggae? It's rubbish, it has no connection to the music of the 60's which I like so why should I want to listen to it? And more to the point, why are certain people on a mission to convert people like me to their sh*t music?

Brilliant

[Guest Stuart T]

Thats exactly what it means Pete.

When are people going to realise that the music of the era mentioned above is the preferred type of music that MANY people enjoy listening to and aren't interested in anything else? What relevence has a 1975 produced record to someone who likes early 60's rhythm & blues? I like 60's ska and reggae, does it follow that I should like f*cking ragga and digital reggae? It's rubbish, it has no connection to the music of the 60's which I like so why should I want to listen to it? And more to the point, why are certain people on a mission to convert people like me to their sh*t music?

Like saying that Gene Vincent fans should like Shakin' Stevens. I like the ones who claim that they have "moved on instead of being stuck in the past". Well done. Perhaps they could move on just a little bit further please?

[Pete Eccles]

Like saying that Gene Vincent fans should like Shakin' Stevens. I like the ones who claim that they have "moved on instead of being stuck in the past". Well done. Perhaps they could move on just a little bit further please?

Quality Stuart , Once had somebody preaching 'why can't people move on' to me at a venue, then ran to the dancefloor at the sound of 'the love i lost' intro, on their return i mentioned the said track is hardly a case of moving on, reply - ' i know but thats a good un'

[Spacehopper]

personally i like stuff from the 60s although there are a few from the 70s that give me the same buzz ,benny troy,flame n king etc but there seems to be some confusion are we talking newies as in new discoveries and oldies as in often played classics ? ...if so then i think it depends on if youve been into the scene for twenty years or more without a break...if so you are going to be bored with hearing frank wilson etc remember back in the 70s it was all about new discoveries of rare soul music...if you are coming back to the scene nostalgia will make you love these tunes and if you are new to it youre gonna love them cos they are wicked records....

as i said there are a few 70s tracks i like but on the whole i prefer it when anything newer is in a seperate room ,modern soul has a different production and overall vibe...and im afraid if played alongside 60s it will make me have a sit down

[Pete S]

Like saying that Gene Vincent fans should like Shakin' Stevens. I like the ones who claim that they have "moved on instead of being stuck in the past". Well done. Perhaps they could move on just a little bit further please?

An excellent point.

Hope you can hang around a bit for the inevitable backlash

[spot]

Can't believe someone said they like newies but only between 1958 & 1969, which to me is a contradiction in terms, I know they meant new finds but you get my drift.

Hi, It does say my name on the Post you Know .

I always thought thats what it was called "newie" when it is new to the scene what ever the year it is.

If its the first time i have herd a song. it will be new one to me.

Pete Griff

Pete never put your name cos that made it look personal, and I didn't want that, see you have a different take on "Newie" to me, to me it means a more recent recording from 70's, 80's or even more recent & I'd call a new discovery, well a new discovery but I understand the new too my ears thing. See to me before the early 60's (with exceptions, obviously) the music is to R&R or R&B or God forbid Do-Wop in sound for my ears.

Thats exactly what it means Pete.

When are people going to realise that the music of the era mentioned above is the preferred type of music that MANY people enjoy listening to and aren't interested in anything else? What relevence has a 1975 produced record to someone who likes early 60's rhythm & blues? I like 60's ska and reggae, does it follow that I should like f*cking ragga and digital reggae? It's rubbish, it has no connection to the music of the 60's which I like so why should I want to listen to it? And more to the point, why are certain people on a mission to convert people like me to their sh*t music?

The point I was trying to make (without resorting to profanities) was, that a lot of people like 70's/Crossover etc & tend not to moan when we get 2 or 3 hours of Oldies on the bounce but the Oldies contingent whine & moan when they get an hour of rarer or no so well known tunes. As for many people aren't interested in anything else (not quoted verbatim) surely that works both ways with other people only liking 70's etc?? And I don't think anyones trying to convert you to their music, cos I'm sure you only like what you like as I do. Finally you'll see from my post that I knew exactly what Pete G meant in his view a "Newie" was but I used it to make another point I considered relevant & I apologise if it confused the issue.

Take care, be safe & remember N.Soul ain't just 60's,

Spot.

[Pete S]

The point I was trying to make (without resorting to profanities)

Well done, round of applause.

[Pete S]

The point I was trying to make (without resorting to profanities) was, that a lot of people like 70's/Crossover etc & tend not to moan when we get 2 or 3 hours of Oldies on the bounce but the Oldies contingent whine & moan when they get an hour of rarer or no so well known tunes. As for many people aren't interested in anything else (not quoted verbatim) surely that works both ways with other people only liking 70's etc?? And I don't think anyones trying to convert you to their music, cos I'm sure you only like what you like as I do. Finally you'll see from my post that I knew exactly what Pete G meant in his view a "Newie" was but I used it to make another point I considered relevant & I apologise if it confused the issue.

Take care, be safe & remember N.Soul ain't just 60's,

Spot.

Only the first line of my post was directed at you Spot, the one that agrees with Pete Griffin.

The rest had nothing to do with you or your post so you didn't actually need to reply to my post or defend whatever you've said because I was talking about something else completely different - about the way certain people treat those who only like 60's as dinosaurs and think their main purpose in life is making us see the light.