MarkWhiteley Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 (edited) Get to the back of the line! Edited March 29, 2005 by billytheboot
Driveller Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 Thought they were both 60s...? Just had a look and I can't find any Abet release dates - wondering if this tipped over into the 70s or something. Bring me up to speed on this one, folks. All the best, Nick
Guest Stuart T Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 You discovered how to turn the computer back on? Welcome back! Its the example record listing for the Group Sounds Soul Harmony book, I'll check it tonight if I can remember. So no chance then
Driveller Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 Tell you what, let's cut to the chase - Bazbond, which version are you talking about, mate? All the best, Nick
Chris Anderton Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 What do you call the 60s version? I have the Abet one, this sounds pretty 60s too me but so did the other version when I heard that out. Chris. PS, Sorry its not for sale, just interested.
MarkWhiteley Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 Hold on a minute, are we on about the Parisians or not? Never heard of an Abet release, Demon Hot's the only one I know of....
Guest Baz Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 i am talking about the parisians on deamon hot herd guy hennigan spin a 7t's version on sun night at the rocket havent a clue who buy or what lable that one is on
MarkWhiteley Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 (edited) Baz, try "demon" and "heard" and "someone" and "offered" Should be £400 topps. Edited March 30, 2005 by billytheboot
Guest Baz Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 spelling is not my best thing especially after the rocket still in recovery
Ady Potts Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 I think they are late 60's, about 69. If i remember correctly, isn't the Abet release credited to the Traditions? Both the same take from what i remember. Odds are on, the one you heard Baz is something that Guy has found, sounds interesting though. Ady.
Andyf Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 I think they are late 60's, about 69. If i remember correctly, isn't the Abet release credited to the Traditions? Both the same take from what i remember. Odds are on, the one you heard Baz is something that Guy has found, sounds interesting though. Ady. link That's the two I know of Ady. Baz if it's the one that got played at the Rocket on Sunday sounded like Parisians/Traditions to me, but as Billy says there's a fairly big queue
Driveller Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 OK, it goes like this: PARISIANS- Twinkle Little Star - DEMON HOT 1 TRADITIONS - Twinkle Little Star - ABET 9435 Different recordings - Parisians is almost certainly a White Group with Soul ambitions, Traditions is a Black Group and has slightly more in the way of funky tom-toms and general 'Soul feeling', but overall, the two records have a very similar treatment and could easily be confused with each other if not heard side by side. Difficult to work out which is the original, as the Parisians flip is a semi-instrumental reworking of the topside and the Traditions flip is a cover version, so you don't get any clues from the composer credits, but my vote goes to the Parisians being the original. Seen the Parisians at around £400 a year or two ago, but considering it was £3 at the end of the '80s this would indicate that it's been a fastish riser in recent years, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a shade above that today, though I wouldn't expect £1000 quite yet. Traditions is about 500 times rarer in comparison, but very, very little known, probably because of its rarity, which really is extreme. Manship vol 1 listed Parisians at £200 and Traditions at £150, but this reflects collectors' awareness of the respective records rather than their relative rarity. I doubt it will remain like that for long, mind, as I've heard Butch playing the Traditions' version at the 100 Club recently, so expect awareness to grow. Hope this helps clear up any foggy areas. All the best, Nick
Driveller Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 That's the two I know of Ady. Baz if it's the one that got played at the Rocket on Sunday sounded like Parisians/Traditions to me, but as Billy says there's a fairly big queue link Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure I heard the record introduced over the mike at the Rocket as The Parisians, and I'm wondering if it was actually Mick H who played it - he was on right before Guy. Anyone able to confirm with Mick or Guy? All the best, Nick
Guest Baz Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure I heard the record introduced over the mike at the Rocket as The Parisians, and I'm wondering if it was actually Mick H who played it - he was on right before Guy. Anyone able to confirm with Mick or Guy? All the best, Nick link yeah mick did play the parisians for his first record if i remember rightly but also herd it again that night when guy was on if you say the traditions is from 69 i would sound in that 70's vain any way i didnt mean when i said 70's that it was a disco vertion or later but guy definately spun a 'later' sounding version not as fast and ver very corssover??? or i might have been some one else who was playing it?????
Guest Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 A copy of the Traditions went cheap on ebay quite recently, won by a well known character and DJ who shall remain nameless. I was a bit pissed off when I noticed it in the completed listings since I for once had not checked ebay for a week or so. Shifty also had a copy not too long ago I am sure, but that went for a bit more, £400 or something like that I think. I also read somewhere that The Traditions was a white group.
Pete S Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 Last copy of The Parisians I saw was on my own list about 2001 - I bought it from Brighton record fair for £125, it was offered to Mick Smith first but he didn't know it so said I could take it anyway I think I listed it for £150....I can't believe it can go up to £1000 in 4 years...if I had one now I'd ask £300 tops. Honest.
Guest Baz Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 yeah mick did play the parisians for his first record if i remember rightly but also herd it again that night when guy was on if you say the traditions is from 69 i would sound in that 70's vain any way i didnt mean when i said 70's that it was a disco vertion or later but guy definately spun a 'later' sounding version not as fast and ver very corssover??? or i might have been some one else who was playing it????? link you have to excusse my english its piss poor
Guest Baz Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 Last copy of The Parisians I saw was on my own list about 2001 - I bought it from Brighton record fair for £125, it was offered to Mick Smith first but he didn't know it so said I could take it anyway I think I listed it for £150....I can't believe it can go up to £1000 in 4 years...if I had one now I'd ask £300 tops. Honest. link think the 1000 was a silly price to offer it to me for. i maybe slightly mad but not a dim wit
Chris Anderton Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 The Traditions is definatly a black group with a strong black lead vocal. I heard the 2 versions side by side and could`nt really tell the difference. I think Shifty traded his copy, although he may still have it, actually he may have a Demon hot version too, we got a couple of each from the producer a couple of years ago. I`ll keep hold of my Traditions for now thanks! Chris
Guest Stuart T Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 Last copy of The Parisians I saw was on my own list about 2001 - I bought it from Brighton record fair for £125, it was offered to Mick Smith first but he didn't know it so said I could take it anyway I think I listed it for £150....I can't believe it can go up to £1000 in 4 years...if I had one now I'd ask £300 tops. Honest. link I had it off you, thought it was a bit more than that. Soul Group Harmony book lists the two releases as by the same group. Personally can't hear the difference, did Ady find any info on this when Kent did the Excello/Abet CD? Traditions didn't make it on there did it?
Pete S Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 I had it off you, thought it was a bit more than that. Soul Group Harmony book lists the two releases as by the same group. Personally can't hear the difference, did Ady find any info on this when Kent did the Excello/Abet CD? Traditions didn't make it on there did it? link Might have known you had it must have been 200 then
Chalky Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 Have seen the Parisians couple of times @ £500 over the last year. Everyone seems to want a copy so maybe £1000 not so far off the mark if it came up for auction. Mick H definately got it as he played it at Lifeline, was stood with him and can remember talking about it.
Guest Stuart T Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 Might have known you had it must have been 200 then link Another fine investment by me then ya big tart. It says £175 on the sleeve but is probably off a completely different record. That Pat Kelly LP is nice too. I still have your old copy, came up lovely after a clean, I don't have a dishwasher....
Pete S Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 Another fine investment by me then ya big tart. It says £175 on the sleeve but is probably off a completely different record. That Pat Kelly LP is nice too. I still have your old copy, came up lovely after a clean, I don't have a dishwasher.... link Just rub it then why dont you ... you've got all my best records ... at least they went to a good home Sam Williams, Monique, still, they're only records
Guest Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 Last copy of The Parisians I saw was on my own list about 2001 - I bought it from Brighton record fair for £125, it was offered to Mick Smith first but he didn't know it so said I could take it anyway I think I listed it for £150....I can't believe it can go up to £1000 in 4 years...if I had one now I'd ask £300 tops. Honest. link one went through ebay , end of last year vg+, for £220. regular spin for martin gavin at caledonia soul
Guest Stuart T Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 Just rub it then why dont you ... you've got all my best records ... at least they went to a good home Sam Williams, Monique, still, they're only records link Aw sorry. I'm looking after them very well. I took them on holiday last weekend as well. They liked that. When are you getting your next collection to sell me?
Guest hammy Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 one went through ebay , end of last year vg+, for £220. regular spin for martin gavin at caledonia soul link You need to get Martin on here Lenny - I want to check whether a rumour is true. Is it the case that he was once a member of The Scottish Young Conservatives under the watchful eye of the now deceased Sir Nicky Fairbairn QC? ! Hammy
Guest James Trouble Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 (edited) The singer from the Parisians used to perform his act with a cockroach dummy on his hand, and do a ventroliquist (spelling )act with it. I think that it was quite common to do 'silly acts' in between songs. James Bell has told me about his fancy dressed stand up comedy that he did with the highlighters between songs. He used to dress up as a 'funky tramp'. Strange but true. I'd say Twinkle Little Star would fetch over £400 in auction, quite easily. Maybe double that? What I'd like to know though, is what price would his cockroach glove puppet fetch on ebay! Edited April 1, 2005 by James Trouble
Guest Stuart T Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 The singer from the Parisians used to perform his act with a cockroach dummy on his hand, and do a ventroliquist (spelling )act with it. I think that it was quite common to do 'silly acts' in between songs. James Bell has told me about his fancy dressed stand up comedy that he did with the highlighters between songs. He used to dress up as a 'funky tramp'. Strange but true. I'd say Twinkle Little Star would fetch over £400 in auction, quite easily. Maybe double that? What I'd like to know though, is what price would his cockroach glove puppet fetch on ebay! link Hence the instrumental side being the Cockroach? How bizarre. I'd give him £20 for it, as long as its not one of them funky cockroaches. (you swapped the i with the o, quite amusing word, I wonder what the alternative meaning could be?).
Guest Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 You need to get Martin on here Lenny - I want to check whether a rumour is true. Is it the case that he was once a member of The Scottish Young Conservatives under the watchful eye of the now deceased Sir Nicky Fairbairn QC? ! Hammy link f**k knows if that ones true, ill be asking him tho'. [ i cannae remember, it might have been me that started that one]. he watches the forum, but cant get logged in, ....aint that right martin? i was a member of the clydeside reds an all , funny how things turnout........ has anything like this happenned to any one else? i dont know....
Chris Anderton Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 The singer from the Parisians used to perform his act with a cockroach dummy on his hand, and do a ventroliquist ....................... What do you mean used to, he still does! I`m not sure its the singer but Ernie Fields who owned the label does that act. He gave me a copy of his DVD of one of his shows, lets just say its entertaining to watch! In fact when you see Shifty just tell him "You got a lump on yourrrrrrrrrrrrrr back"! Chris
Guest Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 allright chris,lenny from sheridans; are you coming up to glasgow on the 21st of may .too continue the party
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