Pete S Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Where did you get that statistic from Pete? link From highly dilligent specialised research. I asked my girlfriend what percentage of people she thought would like modern soul at a northern night and she said "what the f*cking hell is modern soul" so I explained and she said "how should I know", so I asked the dog and she made four or five kind of begrudging grunting noises at being woken up so I took that to mean the answer was 5 percent.
Guest taffy Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Ask yourself a question, and this doesn't apply specifically to the Plinston or any other two room event, but... How would the punters in the modern room react if I went in and played a Sixties set ? Probably very, very upset to say the least, so why should anyone have to defend themselves for saying Northern rooms shouldn't play modern. Modern rooms don't play Noerthern. No grey area about music policy at all when you look at it from that angle, of course you still have to decide what is northern and what is modern................but the DJ should be able to decide that for themselves if people aren't dancing link made this point earlier dave and totally agree with you. 2 rooms keep them separate.some people do like to move between rooms for many reasons but i ain't getting into that now.
Guest j a c k o Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 All modern rooms should be playing new sounds as a matter of course imvho. Trouble is, many of the DJ's booked either don't have or know the newer sounds. Not a criticism of anyone, just an observation. Roger link Agreed 100% about playing new sounds. I think sometimes dancefloor reaction (or lack of) sometimes means the old faves come out of the box at bit too quick. Jacko
Guest Jamie Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Ask yourself a question, and this doesn't apply specifically to the Plinston or any other two room event, but... How would the punters in the modern room react if I went in and played a Sixties set ? Probably very, very upset to say the least, so why should anyone have to defend themselves for saying Northern rooms shouldn't play modern. Modern rooms don't play Noerthern. No grey area about music policy at all when you look at it from that angle, of course you still have to decide what is northern and what is modern................but the DJ should be able to decide that for themselves if people aren't dancing link Spot on Dave. It doesn't happen does it. BUT 70's stuff was played alongside 60's at most venues including Wigan, Cleethorpes (Pier), Stafford et al, including new releases. The 'Modern' scene hasn't been through the mix of styles that 'Northern' has. Again, we're back to classification. You can't say that 70's wasn't part & parcel of the scene because it was. But 70's Northern and Modern are worlds apart (Providing I've got my terminology correct ) I think any venue wanting to play 60's only should specify that. Otherwise you will then alienate the people who currently say nothing because they are happy with the mix. Again, all IMVHO Jamie
Steve G Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Ask yourself a question, and this doesn't apply specifically to the Plinston or any other two room event, but... How would the punters in the modern room react if I went in and played a Sixties set ? Probably very, very upset to say the least, so why should anyone have to defend themselves for saying Northern rooms shouldn't play modern. Modern rooms don't play Noerthern. No grey area about music policy at all when you look at it from that angle, of course you still have to decide what is northern and what is modern................but the DJ should be able to decide that for themselves if people aren't dancing link I did offer to play some "stompers" at the "modern night" and the Big O told me to go and spin on my head, or summat like that
Guest alison Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Ask yourself a question, and this doesn't apply specifically to the Plinston or any other two room event, but... How would the punters in the modern room react if I went in and played a Sixties set ? Probably very, very upset to say the least, so why should anyone have to defend themselves for saying Northern rooms shouldn't play modern. Modern rooms don't play Noerthern. No grey area about music policy at all when you look at it from that angle, of course you still have to decide what is northern and what is modern................but the DJ should be able to decide that for themselves if people aren't dancing link So black and white though Dave - its this assumption that people can't like both, and as one who has been known to straddle both sides of the fence I enjoy hearing both played together - I'm just weird like that One of the most enjoyable nights Ive had in recent years was a 40 years of soul event that Dean Johnson promoted in the High Peaks. We got down to Robert Parker and to pre-releases & everything else inbetween. I danced to it all and didnt groan once. Now I don't for one minute think that everyone should want the same "one nation under a groove" that I hanker for, but the 60's/70's/modern-only voices do seem to shout loudest. I'd hazard a guess there's more folks out and about on the soul scene that want it all, but because they choose a wider spectrum they tend not to be so vocal or militant about it. The term across the board has been bastardised - and is seen as an excuse for any old populist tat as opposed to real quality soul music. As it is I'll just have to dip in and out of everything thats on offer to be assured I get my soul served up in several different guises.
Pete S Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Spot on Dave. It doesn't happen does it. BUT 70's stuff was played alongside 60's at most venues including Wigan, Cleethorpes (Pier), Stafford et al, including new releases. But 70's Northern and Modern are worlds apart link This is what I was saying the other day. I used to like 70's northern.
Steve G Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 All modern rooms should be playing new sounds as a matter of course imvho. Trouble is, many of the DJ's booked either don't have or know the newer sounds. Not a criticism of anyone, just an observation. Roger link Sometimes hard Dodger if the "moddun room" doesn't have a CD player
Guest taffy Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Sometimes hard Dodger if the "moddun room" doesn't have a CD player link we've got one for that very purpose steve although sam would never use it
TheBigO Posted March 29, 2005 Author Posted March 29, 2005 Did Alison just say she wa a lover of stradling 2 things at the same time - SHOCKER! (but lucky old Mr Trout!!!)
Steve G Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 we've got one for that very purpose steve although sam would never use it link You know the funny thing is he has one at home!
TheBigO Posted March 29, 2005 Author Posted March 29, 2005 (edited) On the subject of Fingers he is a quality DJ and a good friend and thus the reason why I have always had him DJ at the club. Problem is slotting him on later, like Nathan in The Ghetto!, due to guests etc etc etc. By the way, this was just meant to be a public announcement posting and all of a sudden it's a mass debate on the pros and cons of sixties vs modern. like Alison I am a lover of all styles of Soul, just so long as it's good so why not just come down, enjoy yourself (in whatever room and to whatever style you enjoy) and leave the politics for another day....ooooh get me Edited March 29, 2005 by TheBigO
Guest Jamie Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 This is what I was saying the other day. I used to like 70's northern. link Used to? Even so, 70's Northern is played alongside Modern/Crossover without much fuss. Or am I wide of the mark here?? I just tend to think that people who don't mind a mix of styles aren't gonna be bleating like a [insert choice] I personally don't care when/where it's from. As long as it sounds good to my ears. If a night is billed as 'Northern' some people will expect a mix, some 60's only. That's the problem. Why don't people just advertise it as 'Mr M's' night then there'd be no mistakes then, would there?
Guest lagerlout Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 at the casino main room the d.js played new discoveries that are now classed as oldies.so what did they play in mrMs...erm oldies, so are they mega oldies then.. soul music is soul music ..just lets get on with it if you like oldies go in the oldies room, if you like newies, 70s,80,00s,go in there if you like lager go to the bar its not rocket science
TheBigO Posted March 29, 2005 Author Posted March 29, 2005 You know the funny thing is he has one at home! link now if you could just show the Collena of Soul how to use it Steve
Guest alison Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 so why not just come down, enjoy yourself (in whatever room and to whatever style you enjoy) link Sorry - too busy - I have things to straddle you know See you at Modern by Moonlight
Guest dodger Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Sometimes hard Dodger if the "moddun room" doesn't have a CD player link Does that still happen in this day and age????? Unbelievable if it does. I remember a few years back when I was doing the Winsford modern room during the time of Gavin, Dave Thorley, Polly etc. and we used to use Gavin's kit but one night I didn't have my car so had to get the train down and I was buggered if I was going to cart heavy vinyl with me so only took CDs and CDR'd what vinyl I planned to play and when I got there Gavin's equipment had bust and Polly had sorted the kit and only brought one CD player with him!! Gavin kindly told me I could use his twelves which got me out of a hole. Not the easiest gig I've ever done!! And another time at Winsford I was on between Arthur and Sam who was following me so I purposely finished with a CD single to see what he'd do and he couldn't hack it!!
Soulsmith Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 I think there is a bit of a grey area with some people. Not meant in a disrespectful way, but someone would class say Eddie Billups 'Shake Off That Dream' as '70's Northern', another guy 'Modern' and Pete Smith as 'Sh*t' Maybe if the playing area came under '60's & 70's Northern' that might work? I know that my 'Old Man' used to class 60's as 'Oldies' and 70's > as 'Newies'. When I started going out I was confused (not hard ) about phrasing. 'Oldies' were now 'Overplayed 60's' and 'Newies' were '70's Northern'. What my Dad referred to as 'Newies' now relates to 'Underplayed 60's'. Jamie link Whoa........I'm not gonna argue with that! I simply dont know enough to start telling people whats northern soul and whats not. So my post was generalised. However, when the dance floor empties & people start complaining loudly I know something is a miss. Dave Rimmers post above illustrates the point well. Col.
Guest taffy Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 So black and white though Dave - its this assumption that people can't like both, and as one who has been known to straddle both sides of the fence I enjoy hearing both played together - I'm just weird like that One of the most enjoyable nights Ive had in recent years was a 40 years of soul event that Dean Johnson promoted in the High Peaks. We got down to Robert Parker and to pre-releases & everything else inbetween. I danced to it all and didnt groan once. Now I don't for one minute think that everyone should want the same "one nation under a groove" that I hanker for, but the 60's/70's/modern-only voices do seem to shout loudest. I'd hazard a guess there's more folks out and about on the soul scene that want it all, but because they choose a wider spectrum they tend not to be so vocal or militant about it. The term across the board has been bastardised - and is seen as an excuse for any old populist tat as opposed to real quality soul music. As it is I'll just have to dip in and out of everything thats on offer to be assured I get my soul served up in several different guises. link like a lot of us ali,we grew up with the northern scene in the 70's and have been on both sides of the fence.i just find i have a much better time these days on the modern scene.still love northern and always will, just moved on musically and discovered so many great records.shame so many people think of the usual stuff like kenny thomas etc as being the hub of the scene,when we know it's much much more than that
TheBigO Posted March 29, 2005 Author Posted March 29, 2005 As usual Taffy - spot on! Having felt in your box ( ) I know what quality lies hidden in the darker recess
Guest taffy Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 As usual Taffy - spot on! Having felt in your box ( ) I know what quality lies hidden in the darker recess link thats what all the girls say
Pete S Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Why don't people just advertise it as 'Mr M's' night then there'd be no mistakes then, would there? link Because if you put on a Northern Soul night, Joe Punter is going to expect to hear what is generally recognised as Northern Soul and that's uptempo 60's soul
chrissie Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 On the subject of Fingers he is a quality DJ and a good friend and thus the reason why I have always had him DJ at the club. Problem is slotting him on later, like Nathan in The Ghetto!, due to guests etc etc etc. By the way, this was just meant to be a public announcement posting and all of a sudden it's a mass debate on the pros and cons of sixties vs modern. like Alison I am a lover of all styles of Soul, just so long as it's good so why not just come down, enjoy yourself (in whatever room and to whatever style you enjoy) and leave the politics for another day....ooooh get me link Best make sure the Stannah is working in May then, cos I may just take my zimmer up them stairs just to se what all the fuss is about. Is there room for my zimmer on the dance floor?
Guest Jamie Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Because if you put on a Northern Soul night, Joe Punter is going to expect to hear what is generally recognised as Northern Soul and that's uptempo 60's soul link Didn't think you'd bite at that, Pete But thank you, it made me smile I agree with what you are saying though, I think the message is be very clear in your wording when advertising a night. (Along with a 15 page supplement of what each record is now classed as ) Jamie
Dave Rimmer Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 So black and white though Dave - its this assumption that people can't like both, and as one who has been known to straddle both sides of the fence I enjoy hearing both played together - I'm just weird like that It's not an assumption that people can't like both. It's a realisation that if there are two rooms, and one is advertised as Northern Soul, it should be just that if the other is advertised as modern Soul One of the most enjoyable nights Ive had in recent years was a 40 years of soul event that Dean Johnson promoted in the High Peaks. We got down to Robert Parker and to pre-releases & everything else inbetween. I danced to it all and didnt groan once. Now I don't for one minute think that everyone should want the same "one nation under a groove" that I hanker for, but the 60's/70's/modern-only voices do seem to shout loudest. Well, yes, because we are the ones who have generally paid to get in, and have found that the music isn't to our taste, whether it be 6Ts fans moaning about Modern, or Moderm fans moaning about 6Ts I'd hazard a guess there's more folks out and about on the soul scene that want it all, but because they choose a wider spectrum they tend not to be so vocal or militant about it. They can have it all, but in seperate rooms. Here's a comparison for you. If I buy a burger I can put red sauce on it, or brown sauce on it, because I like either. I don't like red and brown sauce mixed together, it spoils the taste of everything, including the burger. But if I buy two burgers, I can put red sauce on one, and brown sauce on the other. So I get all the flavours I want, but don't spoil either ofthe burgers As it is I'll just have to dip in and out of everything thats on offer to be assured I get my soul served up in several different guises. See, we're back to burgers again ! link
Trafficmaster Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 The 'Modern' scene hasn't been through the mix of styles that 'Northern' has. erm how did you come to that conclusion "modern" has had more mixes than a MAW 12 regards dave lucas
Guest dodger Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 If I buy a burger I can put red sauce on it, or brown sauce on it, because I like either. I don't like red and brown sauce mixed together, it spoils the taste of everything, including the burger. But I bet you'd check the authenticity of the labels on the sauce bottles before you put the sauce on!!
Dave Rimmer Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 But I bet you'd check the authenticity of the labels on the sauce bottles before you put the sauce on!! link Of course, counterfeit sauce can contain all sorts of horrible toxins, haven't you been watching the news recently.
Dave Rimmer Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 The 'Modern' scene hasn't been through the mix of styles that 'Northern' has. erm how did you come to that conclusion "modern" has had more mixes than a MAW 12 regards dave lucas link Hiya Dave, perhaps I'm thick, but what the hell is a MAW 12 ?
Trafficmaster Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Hiya Dave, perhaps I'm thick, but what the hell is a MAW 12 ? link 1.71 times the size of them little black things you play MAW = masters at work 12 = size of record not the number of pints of bitter you consme regards dave
Soulsmith Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Masters At Work 12" They do a lot of remixes & veer towards soulful garage. Generally more garage than soulful.
Guest Jamie Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 The 'Modern' scene hasn't been through the mix of styles that 'Northern' has. erm how did you come to that conclusion "modern" has had more mixes than a MAW 12 regards dave lucas link I am familiar with Masters At Work The point I was clumsily trying to make is that you couldn't really use 'playing 60's in a modern room' as a comparison as not the same thing as the other way around (Stop digging Jamie )
Guest Jamie Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 And those guys who play 'DJ friendly' 12's should learn to mix. That's why they're 12 mins long with 2 mins intro and fade out. Nothing worse than hearing 'bumble de bumble' when you haven't got your pitch right (runs for nearest foxhole and pulls the chinstrap down ) Jamie
Simsy Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 MAW = link Men At Work ... I come from a land down under? ... Isn't it ... mmm ... Marvellous !
Guest Jamie Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Men At Work ... I come from a land down under? ... Isn't it ... mmm ... Marvellous ! link Quality I shall pass your kind words on next time I see Louie, Kenny & the boys in New York
Guest dodger Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Of course, counterfeit sauce can contain all sorts of horrible toxins, haven't you been watching the news recently. link Who makes this counterfeit sauce? Simon Saussan? I'll get me coat . . .
Guest alison Posted March 29, 2005 Posted March 29, 2005 Here's a comparison for you. If I buy a burger I can put red sauce on it, or brown sauce on it, because I like either. I don't like red and brown sauce mixed together, it spoils the taste of everything, including the burger. But if I buy two burgers, I can put red sauce on one, and brown sauce on the other. So I get all the flavours I want, but don't spoil either ofthe burgers As it is I'll just have to dip in and out of everything thats on offer to be assured I get my soul served up in several different guises. See, we're back to burgers again ! link You bounder - I'm hungry now. Bang goes the diet
Steve G Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 You bounder - I'm hungry now. Bang goes the diet link But remember we don't play Burgers on the modern soul scene...
Steve G Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 Does that still happen in this day and age????? Unbelievable if it does. Polly had sorted the kit and only brought one CD player with him!! link Not at all uncommon at "gigs" to see 1 CD player in the modern room - this makes for a harder job if trying to string together a few new CD cuts in a rhythmic flow, especially for those of us who have "problems" playing these "neo-tailor made" 12s.
Guest Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 So black and white though Dave - its this assumption that people can't like both, and as one who has been known to straddle both sides of the fence I enjoy hearing both played together - I'm just weird like that One of the most enjoyable nights Ive had in recent years was a 40 years of soul event that Dean Johnson promoted in the High Peaks. We got down to Robert Parker and to pre-releases & everything else inbetween. I danced to it all and didnt groan once. Now I don't for one minute think that everyone should want the same "one nation under a groove" that I hanker for, but the 60's/70's/modern-only voices do seem to shout loudest. I'd hazard a guess there's more folks out and about on the soul scene that want it all, but because they choose a wider spectrum they tend not to be so vocal or militant about it. The term across the board has been bastardised - and is seen as an excuse for any old populist tat as opposed to real quality soul music. As it is I'll just have to dip in and out of everything thats on offer to be assured I get my soul served up in several different guises. link Alison, I agree with you, about assumption people not liking both, Ive said it in another thread before that Im glad that I can pick and choose as liking both - Im sure that there isn't just 2 of us out there the same!!
Guest dodger Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 Not at all uncommon at "gigs" to see 1 CD player in the modern room - this makes for a harder job if trying to string together a few new CD cuts in a rhythmic flow, especially for those of us who have "problems" playing these "neo-tailor made" 12s. link I'm afraid that's down to the promoter not being on the ball. I still have the worry about this kind of thing although in my recent experience and the gigs I've done there's always 2 CD players as the majority of promoters are aware it's now 2005, but I still take enough vinyl with me just in case!!
Ged Parker Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 This is what I was saying the other day. I used to like 70's link Who are you and what have you done with the real Mr Smith
Guest dodger Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 Who are you and what have you done with the real Mr Smith link It must be that other Pete Smith who sent me that superb crossover/70s tape a few years ago. I kid you not!!
Steve L Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 What a can of worms I just want a time machine to transport me back to 1974 - Life was so simple then
TheBigO Posted March 30, 2005 Author Posted March 30, 2005 (edited) What a can of worms  I just want a time machine to transport me back to 1974 - Life was so simple then link oh no it wasn't! My understanding from the lads old enough at the time (1978 was my introduction to the scene) that this arguement over what should be played has been raging for over 30 years...agree with you, lets just get on with enjoying the music we all love, everything else doesn't really matter. Just enjoy what you like. Edited March 30, 2005 by TheBigO
chrissie Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 What a can of worms I just want a time machine to transport me back to 1974 - Life was so simple then link I can feel a bad lyrics moment coming on "can it be that it was all so simple then or has time re-written every line if we had the chance to do it all again tell me would we" And the answer is YES. But I don't know about it being simple then, trying to get from north wales to wigan at some ghastley hour, lying to get into clubs cos you too young. Worrying about who was going to be there and was "that guy" going to notice you, were you wearing the right gear. As some wise man once said "youth is wasted on the young" or sommut like that, and as BigO said just enjoy what you like and try tolerate others taste in music (you never know you might learn somfink - i never have still an old soulie at heart but I do try) If i'd known what i know now maybe i wouldn't be the orginal QOF and if I wasn't the QOF I wouldn't be me so......................
Pete S Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 It must be that other Pete Smith who sent me that superb crossover/70s tape a few years ago. I kid you not!! link You fibber. Surely this can't be true, if it is, I don't remember it happening
Steve G Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 oh no it wasn't! My understanding from the lads old enough at the time (1978 was my introduction to the scene) that this arguement over what should be played has been raging for over 30 years...agree with you, lets just get on with enjoying the music we all love, everything else doesn't really matter. Just enjoy what you like. link Longer than that in fact "O". I found myself recently somewhat curiously pouring over some old "Black Music" magazines from the mid 70's and the days of Tony Cummins so called "expose's" of the northern scene. Basically where he took the mic out of all of the imperfections and flaws in our scene, rather than recognising it for what it was (DJ's playing "Hawaii 5-0" because "the kids wanted to hear it" etc.). In these articles there were a lot of quotes over the Casino / Mecca split - and what constituted "proper" soul. Levine "banned" from Wigan, "Ladies Choice" "banned" (both allegedly by Russ), and then the Mecca kids who were held us as champions (smartly dressed, into soul music etc etc).... In fact it seems to have been an "issue" ever since more than one decade of music was made. It's always been there, and I guess it always will be then....
Guest musicden786 Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 Have taken on board the comments made by quite a few of you, both here and via email, and have decided that the Main Hall will be, as requested, a 100% Northern Soul room, keeping the Modern upstairs. Now the fun will begin when we play something like Flame N King, Ann Sexton etc in the Main Hall To me, it's 70's Northern link The music at your last event has to be compared with the last all dayer in the padded cells at Wakefield Prison. One of the worst nights I have ever had. Dont come back with excuses about all nighters at Stoke ect. Do every body a favour. Work within your capabilities. Keep it simple. Go back to basics. Just play dance music. :angry:
Soulsmith Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 The music at your last event has to be compared with the last all dayer in the padded cells at Wakefield Prison. One of the worst nights I have ever had. Dont come back with excuses about all nighters at Stoke ect. Do every body a favour. Work within your capabilities. Keep it simple. Go back to basics. Just play dance music. :angry: link I'm sure when you wrote this you knew what you meant. But, if you could be a little more specific for us mere mortals it would help. 'Go back to basics' is a rubbish statement. 'Just play dance music' is almost meaningless. Col.
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