The Ritz Desborough

[Guest glyn-w]

So how meny of you soulies went to the ritz last night??,and what did you think of it?? it was quite well attended, whith a lot of new faces and the regulars and Arther fenn was good ... But on the down side i wish thay would keep the modern DJs in the moden room

[Dave]

So how meny of you soulies went to the ritz last night??,and what did you think of it?? it was quite well attended, whith a lot of new faces and the regulars and Arther fenn was good ... But on the down side i wish thay would keep the modern DJs in the moden room

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I agree, Glyn.

Musically it was dire.

I got the impression they were trying to cater for two different audiences.

They need to make their minds up whether it's a Northern night ...or not.

[Guest kid mohair]

glad we didnt go then, off to rocket later should be good.

[Guest Baz]

wasnt there last night so cant comment on the music but the last few desboroughs have been very oldie orienated used to be one of my fav nights around our neck of the woods

[Guest Baz]

glad we didnt go then, off to rocket later should be good.

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see you down there andy me and mrs vanner are getting a lift with that lovely mr gent the lucky felow were heading down about 4 to go to the warm up

[Dave Rimmer]

I agree, Glyn.

Musically it was dire.

I got the impression they were trying to cater for two different audiences.

They need to make their minds up whether it's a Northern night ...or not.

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It's not often I criticise venues, or DJs, but I have to say Desborough risked a prosecution under the Trades Description Act last night. I might not be able to give the ultimate definition of what constitutes a Northern Soul Record, but I know what isn't one. Northern Soul it was not !!!

I have every respect for the DJs involved, when they are in Modern rooms, but why play at least 70% non Sixties in the main room when there was a seperate Modern room.

We left at 11.30.

And before someone says why didn't you approach the promoter, or the DJs, I did !

[Guest ShaneH]

Dave, this was the exact situation at Cleethorpes on Friday. Lots of modern in the main room as well as a modern room upstairs. Never been to Desborough so I cant comment but I share the disappointment.

Shane

[Guest]

Dave, this was the exact situation at Cleethorpes on Friday. Lots of modern in the main room as well as a modern room upstairs. Never been to Desborough so I cant comment but I share the disappointment.

Shane

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If there is one thing that annoys me its this. Modern and 70's in a one room venue is fine, but when there is a dedicated modern room then it really shouldn't happen. I would say the same with R&B, in an across the board room no problem.

I have been to Desborough lots of times and it has to be said they are rather fond of playing modern in the main room as well as in the upstairs one, one of the reasons I didn't attend last night.

[Winnie :-)]

So how meny of you soulies went to the ritz last night??,and what did you think of it?? it was quite well attended, whith a lot of new faces and the regulars and Arther fenn was good ... But on the down side i wish thay would keep the modern DJs in the moden room

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Yeah I was there, thought Max's set was pretty good, but the guy afterwards didn't do a lot for me. I think the main criticism I would have, would be that the DJ's were clearly not gauging the dancefloor reaction. I didn't get there til 10, what time was Arthur on?

Winnie:-)

[Winnie :-)]

If there is one thing that annoys me its this. Modern and 70's in a one room venue is fine, but when there is a dedicated modern room then it really shouldn't happen. I would say the same with R&B, in an across the board room no problem.

I have been to Desborough lots of times and it has to be said they are rather fond of playing modern in the main room as well as in the upstairs one, one of the reasons I didn't attend last night.

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As Shane said, there was a couple of hours of modernish stuff at Cleethorpes. In fairness it doesn't really worry me, but as I said in the post about Dessie, the dance floor IMO should be catered for at all times.

Winnie:-)

[Chalky]

Dave, this was the exact situation at Cleethorpes on Friday. Lots of modern in the main room as well as a modern room upstairs. Never been to Desborough so I cant comment but I share the disappointment.

Shane

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Cleethorpes tho' in it's defence was an upfront venue in it's day, not just 60's but many 70's so would have thought you would hear more modern sounds there. As for Desboro' I voted with my feet and stopped going.

[Winnie :-)]

Cleethorpes tho' in it's defence was an upfront venue in it's day, not just 60's but many 70's so would have thought you would hear more modern sounds there.  As for Desboro' I voted with my feet and stopped going.

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One set was mainly Cleethorpes biggies from the 70Ts, which explained the modernish theme

[Chalky]

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One set was mainly Cleethorpes biggies from the 70Ts, which explained the modernish theme

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Always been the same whenever I've been Win, many Cleggy biggies from days gone by

[Winnie :-)]

It's not often I criticise venues, or DJs, but I have to say Desborough risked a prosecution under the Trades Description Act last night. I might not be able to give the ultimate definition of what constitutes a Northern Soul Record, but I know what isn't one. Northern Soul it was not !!!

I have every respect for the DJs involved, when they are in Modern rooms, but why play at least 70% non Sixties in the main room when there was a seperate Modern room.

We left at 11.30.

And before someone says why didn't you approach the promoter, or the DJs, I did !

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Are you able to say what the reaction was to you approaching the Promoters and DJ's?

PM me if it's a bit sensitive.

Winnie:-)

[Winnie :-)]

wasnt there last night so cant comment on the music but the last few desboroughs have been very oldie orienated    used to be one of my fav nights around our neck of the woods

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Hope the Rocket is an oldies fest

See you there Baz

Winnie:-)

[Chalky]

It's not often I criticise venues, or DJs, but I have to say Desborough risked a prosecution under the Trades Description Act last night. I might not be able to give the ultimate definition of what constitutes a Northern Soul Record, but I know what isn't one. Northern Soul it was not !!!

I have every respect for the DJs involved, when they are in Modern rooms, but why play at least 70% non Sixties in the main room when there was a seperate Modern room.

We left at 11.30.

And before someone says why didn't you approach the promoter, or the DJs, I did !

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What was the record?

[Guest]

What gets my goat is when so called top DJs,that 6ts n/soul DJs,slag off 6ts,n/soul do there set then f*** off home,not just that play too much modern,like a lot of rare soul,rare modern is a load of shite for me northernsoul dance music from whatever decade 6ts,7ts,8ts,9ts,2yk or whatever they call it,but the best of all the other rooms at nighters,its getting so the northern rooms,are the other rooms at the moment,all i am saying here more enthuiasm from the so called DJs would be nice,and to stop trying to bite of the hand that feeds them,anyway thats enough from me,sorry for any bad grammer/spelling no way am i using spell checker.Ken

[Guest ShaneH]

What gets my goat is when so called top DJs,that 6ts n/soul DJs,slag off 6ts,n/soul do there set then f*** off home,not just that play too much modern,like a lot of rare soul,rare modern is a load of shite for me northernsoul dance music from whatever decade 6ts,7ts,8ts,9ts,2yk or whatever they call it,but the best of all the other rooms at nighters,its getting so the northern rooms,are the other rooms at the moment,all i am saying here more enthuiasm from the so called DJs would be nice,and to stop trying to bite of the hand that feeds them,anyway thats enough from me,sorry for any bad grammer/spelling no way am i using spell checker.Ken

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ken i think you got your colours wrong this morning mate. Its two blue, one green and three red mate.

Shane

[Dave Rimmer]

What was the record?

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A Barry White Seventies track

[Guest glyn-w]

A Barry White Seventies track

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Yeah i remember that one Dave...But i wish i diddent... :angry: Be nice to hear from the..." Management "... To hear what thay have to say!!! and explain there pollicy to the paying soulies...But i cant see that abought to happen

[Guest glyn-w]

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Yeah I was there, thought Max's set was pretty good, but the guy afterwards didn't do a lot for me. I think the main criticism I would have, would be that the DJ's were clearly not gauging the dancefloor reaction. I didn't get there til 10, what time was Arthur on?

Winnie:-)

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Hi Winnie. Think Arther was on 9-10? just before you got there mate, but i do aggree abought gauging the dancefloor your bang on mate.

[John May]

Cleethorpes tho' in it's defence was an upfront venue in it's day, not just 60's but many 70's so would have thought you would hear more modern sounds there.  As for Desboro' I voted with my feet and stopped going.

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I was at Cleethorpes and It was in fact cleethorpes 70's classics that was played in the main room , not modern !. As Chalky said cleethorpes always was abit 70's orientated, and the crowd in there seemed to enjoy it. There was plenty of Northern "anthems" played later, by Ginger.............I went upstairs.

Anyway this is about Desbourgh.............

A couple of years ago there wasn't much 70's ,crossover & modern soul being played on the scene. Just recently there has been a resurgence of it played at venues, unfortunatly the 60's mafia seem to think that Northern soul should be exclusively 60's........ Mmm affraid that isn't the case, 70's crossover , modern is back !!

[Dave Rimmer]

A couple of years ago there wasn't much 70's ,crossover & modern soul being played on the scene.  Just recently there has been a resurgence of it played at venues, unfortunatly the 60's mafia seem to think that Northern soul should be exclusively 60's........ Mmm affraid that isn't the case, 70's crossover , modern is back !!

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Who said anything about exclusively Sixties ? But certainly I would expect a Northern Soul room, when there was a seperate modern room, to be playing more than 40% Sixties.

[Guest dodger]

Who said anything about exclusively Sixties ? But certainly I would expect a Northern Soul room, when there was a seperate modern room, to be playing more than 40% Sixties.

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Out of curiosity, what were the tunes played that people are complaining about?

[Winnie :-)]

..........SNIP.......

Anyway this is about Desbourgh.............

A couple of years ago there wasn't much 70's ,crossover & modern soul being played on the scene.  Just recently there has been a resurgence of it played at venues, unfortunatly the 60's mafia seem to think that Northern soul should be exclusively 60's........ Mmm affraid that isn't the case, 70's crossover , modern is back !!

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Not so sure it's a 60Ts mafia thing, an empty dancefloor tells it's own story really. As Dave said, it is advertised as a northern room, with a seperate modern room, and whilst I am partial to a bit of 'shoulder shrugging' music, it's a little unfair IMO on the majority of punters, who have come to be entertained. Those who only go out once a month or so, want memories not education, well that's how I read it anyway.

Winnie:-)

[Dave]

I was at Cleethorpes and It was in fact cleethorpes 70's classics that was played in the main room , not modern !.  As Chalky said cleethorpes always was abit 70's orientated, and the crowd in there seemed to enjoy it.  There was plenty of Northern "anthems" played later, by Ginger.............I went upstairs.

Anyway this is about Desbourgh.............

A couple of years ago there wasn't much 70's ,crossover & modern soul being played on the scene.  Just recently there has been a resurgence of it played at venues, unfortunatly the 60's mafia seem to think that Northern soul should be exclusively 60's........ Mmm affraid that isn't the case, 70's crossover , modern is back !!

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Spot on about Cleggy's 70's oldies, John.

The place led many of us that attended in the 70s to a broader appreciation of soul music

But, as you say, this is about Desborough.

Forgive me for not saying hello - I didn't realise you were there

I'm not a subscriber to any mafia, 60s or otherwise, but I thought a lot of the 70s and 80s music played was pretty far removed from the type of crossover one would expect to hear at a Northern event.

I thought some of it did not merit the term "soul". It was wishy-washy, commercial, poppy stuff with no urgency to it. In other words, nothing going for it from a soulie's point of view.

Also, as Dave R has suggested, if there is a "modern" room at an event, why not confine it to that area?

Dave

[Guest dodger]

I thought some of it did not merit the term "soul". It was wishy-washy, commercial, poppy stuff with no urgency to it. In other words, nothing going for it from a soulie's point of view.

What sort of tunes are we talking about here, I'm curious. The Ace Spectrums/Futures type tracks, or different tunes? I'd have to agree myself if there's two rooms at an event there's no excuse for the crossing over of the types of music between the two. On the recent Prestatyn thread somebody mentioned a DJ playing a tune in both the northern and modern rooms and couldn't understand why any DJ would do that. Employ northern soul DJ's to play northern soul and modern soul DJ's to play modern soul, it's a fairly simple scenario isn't it?

Roger

[John May]

What sort of tunes are we talking about here, I'm curious.  The Ace Spectrums/Futures type tracks, or different tunes?  I'd have to agree myself if there's two rooms at an event there's no excuse for the crossing over of the types of music between the two.  On the recent Prestatyn thread somebody mentioned a DJ playing a tune in both the northern and modern rooms and couldn't understand why any DJ would do that.  Employ northern soul DJ's to play northern soul and modern soul DJ's to play modern soul, it's a fairly simple scenario isn't it?

Roger

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IMO it's about time the two room event was scrapped. A good D.J should be able to play right across the board and keep the crowd happy. While a knowledgeable open minded crowd can appreciate hearing soul music from all era's.

[Mike]

What sort of tunes are we talking about here, I'm curious.  The Ace Spectrums/Futures type tracks, or different tunes?  I'd have to agree myself if there's two rooms at an event there's no excuse for the crossing over of the types of music between the two.  On the recent Prestatyn thread somebody mentioned a DJ playing a tune in both the northern and modern rooms and couldn't understand why any DJ would do that.  Employ northern soul DJ's to play northern soul and modern soul DJ's to play modern soul, it's a fairly simple scenario isn't it?

Roger

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yeah would be interesting seeing what tracks,

sometimes get sorta feeling that there are some who use "modern" to cover ought non 6ts

(similar maybe to those who use "rnb" to cover anything non uptempo wigan )

not saying this is the case, but few example tracks could give a clearer view

[Guest dodger]

IMO it's about time the two room event was scrapped.  A good D.J should be able to play right across the board and keep the crowd happy.  While a knowledgeable  open minded crowd can appreciate hearing soul music from all era's.

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Good thoughts John, but in reality for the most part I think you'd get more people complaining than appreciating.

Roger

[Dave Rimmer]

What sort of tunes are we talking about here, I'm curious.  The Ace Spectrums/Futures type tracks, or different tunes?  I'd have to agree myself if there's two rooms at an event there's no excuse for the crossing over of the types of music between the two.  On the recent Prestatyn thread somebody mentioned a DJ playing a tune in both the northern and modern rooms and couldn't understand why any DJ would do that.  Employ northern soul DJ's to play northern soul and modern soul DJ's to play modern soul, it's a fairly simple scenario isn't it?

Roger

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Ace Spectrum and Futures were both played, but they weren't the ones I was particularly unhappy with. The Barry White disco record was one that springs to mind

I know I'm classed as a Sixties dinosaur, but I still think Northern Soul is Sixties based. This night wasn't Sixties based.

If it has been advertised as across the board, no problem. It wasn't though, it was advertised as Northern Soul in one room, and Modern in the other. It was also clear that the DJs couldn't keep people on the dancefloor because the music was all over the place. yeah the Ace Spectrum and Futures got them up, and then the floor would clear because it was a record very few people in the room knew. it's no good asking me what they were though because I couldn't tell you. But that dancefloor had people up and down on it faster than a whore's knickers on a busy Friday night. Three hours into the night, and there is nobody dancing ? There's no excuse for that !

As it took us two and half hours travelling to get there and back, and cost £24 for the four of us to get in, I was disappointed to say the least. If I'd wanted disco, and failed disco records I could have gone into the local 'Lemon Tree' '70s night !

Edited March 28, 2005 by Dave Rimmer

[Dave Rimmer]

Employ northern soul DJ's to play northern soul and modern soul DJ's to play modern soul, it's a fairly simple scenario isn't it?

Roger

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That is about the most sensible thing I've ever heard you say Roger, but you're right. There are very few people who can cross the whole spectrum and get it right. Having said that, when you get a DJ who does get it right, and can play from all eras, I can appreciate what a good set they play. Three guys who spring to mind are Gavin Page, Chris Anderton and Russ Vickers. All of whom can DJ across the eras, and do it well enough for me to enjoy what they play.

[Soulsmith]

"On the recent Prestatyn thread somebody mentioned a DJ playing a tune in both the northern and modern rooms and couldn't understand why any DJ would do that. Employ northern soul DJ's to play northern soul and modern soul DJ's to play modern soul, it's a fairly simple scenario isn't it?"

It was me, & it really gets on my pip. Didn't do Desborough last nite as was helping out at Lightwater. Check out the Lightwater thread - 3 x playlists posted. Pretty much northern in the northern room and no complaints about the music.

Its that simple.

Col.

[Guest kid mohair]

A Barry White Seventies track

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Barry White in the main room are you being serious? in fact barry white in any room that should never have happened, come on lets keep the likes of Barry White disco shite out of soul rooms, that record took the space of a northern soul record and it is northern soul do`s which we expect to attend andy

[Steve G]

Ace Spectrum and Futures were both played, but they weren't the ones I was particularly unhappy with.  The Barry White disco record was one that springs to mind

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Those two are bad enough Dave. My "least loved" 70's, and so so over rated.

[Petebangor]

yeah would  be interesting seeing what tracks, 

sometimes get sorta feeling that there are some who use "modern" to cover ought non 6ts

(similar maybe  to those who use "rnb" to cover anything non uptempo wigan   )

not saying this is the case, but few example tracks could give a clearer view

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As mike says a lot of people tend to 'pigeonhole' modern,anything from the 70's is regarded as modern,I've heard people complaining about Skip Mahoney,King tutt,Charles Johson etc as modern,they're not modern they're 25 year old northern oldies.As for Ace Spectrum and the futures if I heard those getting spun in a modern room,I wouldn't be going back there again.Perhaps we need three room events

One room for Northern

one for northern that's percieved as modern

one for proper modern

There are very few dj's that can play both rooms.Bob Hinsley is one of the few that can.

Pete

[Steve G]

As for Ace Spectrum and the futures if I heard those getting spun in a modern room,I wouldn't be going back there again.

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I'd be asking for my money back

quote=petebangor,Mar 28 2005, 01:28 PM]

Perhaps we need three room events

One room for Northern

one for northern that's percieved as modern

one for proper modern

Pete

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[John May]

One room for all, with d.j's who can play across the board, and if people complain.....throw em out

[John May]

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Not so sure it's a 60Ts mafia thing, an empty dancefloor tells it's own story really. As Dave said, it is advertised as a northern room, with a seperate modern room, and whilst I am partial to a bit of 'shoulder shrugging' music, it's a little unfair IMO on the majority of punters, who have come to be entertained. Those who only go out once a month or so, want memories not education, well that's how I read it anyway.

Winnie:-)

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I do understand were your coming from Winnie, however if we start catering for the people who occaisionally turn up for their monthly blow out, then we might as well just play C.D's and not bother with D.j's at all. That's certainly not a scene that I would like to be a part off....

[Chalky]

One room for all, with d.j's who can play across the board, and if people complain.....throw em out

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"Across the board" venues are just a poor excuse to play played out 70's northern and stuff like Drizabone, Angie Stone etc.

Many UK promoters could do no worse than pop over to Oslo and see how they do it there, superb night there last year (November I think) playing good "soul" music!!

Edited March 28, 2005 by chalky

[Chalky]

I do understand were your coming from Winnie, however if we start catering for the people who occaisionally turn up for their monthly blow out,  then we might as well just play C.D's and not bother with D.j's at all.    That's certainly not a scene that I would like to be a part off....

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Why shouldn't we/promoters cater for those who venture out once a month? They have has much right to attend a venue as those who go weekly

[Dave Rimmer]

I do understand were your coming from Winnie, however if we start catering for the people who occaisionally turn up for their monthly blow out,  then we might as well just play C.D's and not bother with D.j's at all.    That's certainly not a scene that I would like to be a part off....

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I think you'll end up very lonely with that sort of attitude John. It's the people that come out monthly that make the majority of events viable.

[Guest dodger]

"Across the board" venues are just a poor excuse to play played out 70's northern and stuff like Drizabone, Angie Stone etc.

Many UK promoters could do no worse than pop over to Oslo and see how they do it there, superb night there last year (November I think) playing good "soul" music!! 

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Pop across to anywhere abroad and bring the generally far younger crowds with less 'tradition' ingrained in them as well then Chalky lad, that makes a big difference.

[Pete S]

As mike says a lot of people tend to 'pigeonhole' modern,anything from the 70's is regarded as modern,I've heard people complaining about Skip Mahoney,King tutt,Charles Johson etc as modern,they're not modern they're 25 year old northern oldies.

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No they aren't, they're modern oldies

[chrissie]

I do understand were your coming from Winnie, however if we start catering for the people who occaisionally turn up for their monthly blow out,  then we might as well just play C.D's and not bother with D.j's at all.    That's certainly not a scene that I would like to be a part off....

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What Cr*p. i only go about once a month and have been going to venues since about 1972/3 and only recently returned. Icertainly wouldn't go somewhere they played CDs and I think you are an insulting people like myself who perhaps haven't got a v good local scene and have to travel, stay over night etc or perhaps can't afford to go more often.

As much as I love NS it is not my life and once twice a month is fine by me, would rather pick the events I go to rather than go for the sake of it then slag it off cos it's not "my genre" Good for you if you go 4-5 times a month yipee. But as Dave R said you will end up a very lonely person in a v empty venue.

This attitude will neither encourage people like myself to stay on the scene or more importatnly encourage new and younger people on to the scene.

phew - Chest now slightly lighter!!

[Petebangor]

No they aren't, they're modern oldies 

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Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

[Guest hammy]

"Across the board" venues are just a poor excuse to play played out 70's northern and stuff like Drizabone, Angie Stone etc.

Many UK promoters could do no worse than pop over to Oslo and see how they do it there, superb night there last year (November I think) playing good "soul" music!! 

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This is so true.

Go onto any gig guide on the internet and most of the events on there are bracketed as "across the board" - which tends to mean played out oldies + The Futures, Ace Spectrum, Drizabone etc.

Oslo - look at the playlists. Streets ahead of most UK venues because punters aren't blinkered.

Hammy

[Chalky]

Pop across to anywhere abroad and bring the generally far younger crowds with less 'tradition' ingrained in them as well then Chalky lad, that makes a big difference.

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Very true Roger. Half a dozen or so Brits went to Oslo and I think we were the oldest in the room

[Pete S]

Isn't that a contradiction in terms? 

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Yeah but it's true!

[Guest kid mohair]

What Cr*p.  i only go about once a month and have been going to venues since about 1972/3 and only recently returned.  Icertainly wouldn't go somewhere they played CDs and I think you are an insulting people like myself who perhaps haven't got a v good local scene and have to travel, stay over night etc or perhaps can't afford to go more often.

As much as I love NS it is not my life and once twice a month is fine by me, would rather pick the events I go to rather than go for the sake of it then slag it off cos it's not "my genre"  Good for you if you go 4-5 times a month yipee.  But as Dave R said you will end up a very lonely person in a v empty venue.

This attitude will neither encourage people like myself to stay on the scene or more importatnly encourage new and younger people on to the scene.

phew - Chest now slightly lighter!!

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i couldnt agree more does it matter when people go out once a week once a month etc , as long as they have a great time becauce thats what its all about,and if promoters could somehow not clash we could get some good nights,or maybe not have so many do`s on, its just my opinion , im sure you all have yours?