The Group (featuring Cecil Washington)

[Zed1]

I know this was pressed on Soul sounds (Shock, Horror, Scandel), but out of interest what are original copies Worth..... and for that matter what are the pressings worth?..

TIA.

[Guest]

I know this was pressed on Soul sounds (Shock, Horror, Scandel), but out of interest what are original copies Worth..... and for that matter what are the pressings worth?..

TIA.

Lots and nowt.

[Prophonics 2029]

£5 - £10 and for a real one £800 - £1200 thats good days and bad hope this helps all could be M.

[Martyn Pitt]

£5 - £10 and for a real one £800 - £1200 thats good days and bad hope this helps all could be M.

Last one I saw go through John Manship's auction was over £2000.

I have seen a red look alike boot, long time ago, not seen another.

The 'B' side 'Light Of Day' is as good, and worth a listen

Martyn

[Prophonics 2029]

A mate got 1 off ebay for £1050 then another mate got one for £800 a few weeks later, suppose this is 2 and 3 years ago.

[Guest inspirations001]

i seem to remember seeing a red copy years ago, thought to originate from canada!!! must have been a boot?

[Prophonics 2029]

Also a clear on vinyl Soul Sound I think same as that Vicky Baines.

[Guest inspirations001]

never had vivki baines, but wish i still had cecil washington! is that you darran?

[Martyn Pitt]

i seem to remember seeing a red copy years ago, thought to originate from canada!!! must have been a boot?

I hope it was a boot, it was about £20 - £30, would have been a bargain

Martyn

[Guest inspirations001]

can't remember the label now. i'm sure someone had it at wigan,and was hawking it around as a canadian release. long b4 ebay and the internet.

[Martyn Pitt]

can't remember the label now. i'm sure someone had it at wigan,and was hawking it around as a canadian release. long b4 ebay and the internet.

The one I saw was a Red version of the Prophonics label the original is on, it had the look and feel of a look-alike boot, and the price being asked would have been a lot higher at the time (real ones were around £300 then). It was being sold by a dealer, who would have known if it had a higher value, it was not in the middle of somebodys 50 box.

Martyn

[Guest inspirations001]

can't remember if it was on prophonics or not. i just presumed it was a boot as it wasn't going for big money. maybe someone can verify this(scan perhaps)!

[Simsy]

The 'B' side 'Light Of Day' is as good, and worth a listen

Martyn

Very true.

As said the other week, Kev Roberts got his copy from Mr Washington himself, he didn't disclose transaction details though.

[Guest inspirations001]

where was cecil? guitar?? nice clip tho. actually the b side to i don't like to lose was played at wigan

[Martyn Pitt]

where was cecil? guitar?? nice clip tho. actually the b side to i don't like to lose was played at wigan

I had stopped going by then, fed up with the manufactured soul that was being played.

I have played it out on a few occasions, sounds good loud.

Martyn

[Prophonics 2029]

where was cecil? guitar?? nice clip tho. actually the b side to i don't like to lose was played at wigan

Organ and production. I cut it short goes on for 3.04 in total.

[Prophonics 2029]

Have I wrongly assumed all these years that Cecil Washington was a vocalist

Martyn

He was but did produced at least 5 of the ProGroSquare singles.

[Guest inspirations001]

Have I wrongly assumed all these years that Cecil Washington was a vocalist

Martyn

no idea! i just wrongly assumed cw was vocalist doh! so who is the vocalist?

[Prophonics 2029]

no idea! i just wrongly assumed cw was vocalist doh! so who is the vocalist?

CW but I hear tell that on My Proposal their are two singers, but it do sound like CW is doing his own backing, if it is him singing at all?? Soul Inc is only credited to him writing the song.

Edited January 29, 2008 by Prophonics 2029

[Martyn Pitt]

He was but did produced at least 5 of the ProGroSquare singles.

Thanks for that, sanity returns.

Martyn

[Prophonics 2029]

I asked Bill (who wrote IDLTL and LOD) why the 1812 overture at the end, he said they were after a Beatles sound like Penny Lane.

[Guest inspirations001]

was terrific in its day, complete with that whip sound towards the end, then that great crescendo building up to the finish. didn't cecil washington think he was gonna be on totp if it scored a hit over here and was reluctant to appear on tv?

[Martyn Pitt]

I asked Bill (who wrote IDLTL and LOD) why the 1812 overture at the end, he said they were after a Beatles sound like Penny Lane.

Interesting, I suppose the impact of the Fab Four ran through all genres of the music industry at the time. These guys were not setting out to produce rare records, they were after a decent living and better way of life for themselves. Always strikes me as ironic that the ones that failed are the ones that succeeded over here.

Still going back to the record in question, had I bought it blind, without prior knowledge I would have played the Light Of Day side.

Martyn

[Guest inspirations001]

for me it's the other side,it WAS richard searling at his best. i taped the other side just for posterity as i knew i wouldn't own the record again. i love the way on certain records the artists put EVERYTHING into it, just praying that this was the one. listen to the drummer on don varner "tearstained face", he goes mental from start to finish!!

[Soulman]

got a mint copy of Cecil. It'll break my heart but I need the cash. Anyone want to buy one. Theres also a Ronnie McNeir too (Sitting original)