House Music

[chrissie]

Quite alot really

Sung by black soul Artists from Chicago, Detroit, New York, West Coast ect, ect. Many of them struggeling to make it big with limited white lable pressings hoping the big boys will sign them up.

4 beats to the bar

People going out every weekend enjoying and dancing to the music

There will be collectors willing to sell their mothers to get hold of the ellusive soulful house rarity in years to come

As with 60's soul you have to dig quite deep for the absolute blinders because there is alot of boom, boom, boom music with house.

ahhh I see not really Baz, still see it as totally different genre to me, but hey each to their own.

QoFxx

[Guest Bearsy]

Mr Bear

Whilst there has been some feisty debate on the thread - I'm still not sure that anyone understands it!

I think Ivor kind of got what it might be about and would kind of agree with him too,you see the house music i know has nothing to do with rare or northern soul or even disco, soulful house is yet again another style of music to house but similar and some good soulful house is creeping into the modern scene by the sounds of it and a couple of tunes Soul Sam played at lifeline were appernetly house but i heard every record he played that night but i wouldnt of classed none of them of house but defo on the soulful house feel if you know what i mean,

anyway thats how i kind of see it i think

or is house and soulful house the same thing now

BARRY where are you

[Daved]

I think soulful house has been part of the modern scene to some degree for a long time now. I think there was a particularly strong period about 5-8 years ago when loads of good new releases were coming out such as Masters At Work, Donna Allen, Big Moses, Dennis Ferrer, Arnold Jarvis, Keith Thompson, Blue Six, etc. I think that was kind of a peak period for me and some of the more recent stuff hasn't been so good and certainly not in the same quantity.

Edited January 27, 2008 by daved

[Mark R]

I still don't believe you can create soul music using computers and especially electronic percussion. Motown records of the 60's had a heart and a soul, this music is just cold.

Pete............the chords, the nuancies, it's all there mate if you dig out the best examples................Epic hit the nail on the head with his post mate.

I'm proud to say I can hear "it" in music from the 60's to the present day...............that doesn't make me better than anyone else BTW, but personally I can't imagine NOT having that appreciation.

Of course though, whatever the era/genre, there's good and bad!

Cheers,

Mark R

[Mark R]

If he was playing in my back garden I'd draw the curtains

Wonder if you'd have said that if there were a 30 year time shift Pete, and it was what you grew up on as an 18 year old at Wigan Casino???

We'll never have an answer to that will we?

Cheers,

Mark R

[Mark R]

Absoluteley ! But aren't you glad Sam has stopped playing the appalling DJ Genesis

Well said Cliff

Cheers,

Mark R

[Simon M]

Pete............the chords, the nuancies, it's all there mate if you dig out the best examples................Epic hit the nail on the head with his post mate.

I'm proud to say I can hear "it" in music from the 60's to the present day...............that doesn't make me better than anyone else BTW, but personally I can't imagine NOT having that appreciation.

Of course though, whatever the era/genre, there's good and bad!

Cheers,

Mark R

Well said MArk

[Pete S]

Wonder if you'd have said that if there were a 30 year time shift Pete, and it was what you grew up on as an 18 year old at Wigan Casino???

We'll never have an answer to that will we?

Cheers,

Mark R

He was pretty good back then until he started playing modern...I never saw him at Wigan though, I'd stopped going by then. But he was always good at the Old Vic.

[Pete S]

Also I meant to say - the house music that I've heard on here is way preferable to the stuff they call modern soul. I've never heard any played out loud so I can't give an opinion on that

[Mark R]

Also I meant to say - the house music that I've heard on here is way preferable to the stuff they call modern soul. I've never heard any played out loud so I can't give an opinion on that

To be honest Pete, that's what I'd expect to hear from a 60's 4/4 etc, etc lover...............I would always expect those folk to like house rather than the smother stuff that the likes of Roger Williams, myself and numerable others also play..........it's mor akin to their roots.

Always surprises me that very little do though (or SAY they do)........will it change?????

Cheers,

Mark R

[Roger Williams]

To be honest Pete, that's what I'd expect to hear from a 60's 4/4 etc, etc lover...............I would always expect those folk to like house rather than the smother stuff that the likes of Roger Williams, myself and numerable others also play..........it's mor akin to their roots.

Always surprises me that very little do though (or SAY they do)........will it change?????

Cheers,

Mark R

Why are you wasting your time having this discussion?

[Pete S]

To be honest Pete, that's what I'd expect to hear from a 60's 4/4 etc, etc lover...............I would always expect those folk to like house rather than the smother stuff that the likes of Roger Williams, myself and numerable others also play..........it's mor akin to their roots.

Always surprises me that very little do though (or SAY they do)........will it change?????

Cheers,

Mark R

As always Mark, it's the beat...that regular 4/4 beat. Unlike yourself and others, I've never been able to appreciate the soulful nuances in the vocals that many of you do, I don't know whether thats down to lack of patience or never being able to find time to actually listen to the music properly. I tend to judge things in one listen. And I know I shouldn't.

[Mark R]

Why are you wasting your time having this discussion?

That's a bloody good question that I've just been asking myself mate!!

Cheers,

Mark R

[Pete S]

Why are you wasting your time having this discussion?

Didn't know you were back, good to see you mate

[Roger Williams]

Didn't know you were back, good to see you mate

Snuck quietly in the back door, Pete. Got to be a good lad though and try and stay out of bother this time around.

[Pete S]

Snuck quietly in the back door, Pete. Got to be a good lad though and try and stay out of bother this time around.

Don't let me wind you up then

[Roger Williams]

Don't let me wind you up then

You haven't done that since about 1997!!

[Pete S]

You haven't done that since about 1997!!

True, true

[Guest cardysharpy]

ahhh I see not really Baz, still see it as totally different genre to me, but hey each to their own.

QoFxx

I'm probaby one of the few people who have arrived on this Forum years after starting out with house music and for what it's worth, here's my opinion.

The fact is, unlike great soul records, very few house records have a really strong lyrical content- records like Michael Proctor's "love don't live" aren't a patch, lyrically, on the likes of Harold Melvins "bad luck" or any number of "straight up" soul records. There's a reason for this, house ain't soul and the greatest house records aren't trying to be soul records- even if they have a vocal.

As for being an area ripe for the soul collector years down the line, somehow I doubt it. Some of the very best vocal house tunes are nearly twenty years old now and as far as I'm aware the likes of Shalor, Ce Ce Rogers and Robert Owens early efforts only remain desirable amongst house music collectors.

I also think the "underground scene+ black dance music= soul" is tenuous. They've been many scenes that meet the underground and black music criteria but have been a million miles from being soul.... go-go, electro, hip hop, jazz funk....even techno.

Oh and I'd agree Michael Proctor sounds like Tom Jones. Give me Phuture "we are phuture" any day of the week!

[Epic]

I'm probaby one of the few people who have arrived on this Forum years after starting out with house music and for what it's worth, here's my opinion.

The fact is, unlike great soul records, very few house records have a really strong lyrical content- records like Michael Proctor's "love don't live" aren't a patch, lyrically, on the likes of Harold Melvins "bad luck" or any number of "straight up" soul records. There's a reason for this, house ain't soul and the greatest house records aren't trying to be soul records- even if they have a vocal.

As for being an area ripe for the soul collector years down the line, somehow I doubt it. Some of the very best vocal house tunes are nearly twenty years old now and as far as I'm aware the likes of Shalor, Ce Ce Rogers and Robert Owens early efforts only remain desirable amongst house music collectors.

I also think the "underground scene+ black dance music= soul" is tenuous. They've been many scenes that meet the underground and black music criteria but have been a million miles from being soul.... go-go, electro, hip hop, jazz funk....even techno.

Oh and I'd agree Michael Proctor sounds like Tom Jones. Give me Phuture "we are phuture" any day of the week!

That could also apply to the "sixties - only" Motown & Northern Soul collectors - I suspect that not many of them own or desire most records made by The Temptations or Isley Brothers post 1970.

[Guest Bearsy]

I'm probaby one of the few people who have arrived on this Forum years after starting out with house music and for what it's worth, here's my opinion.

The fact is, unlike great soul records, very few house records have a really strong lyrical content- records like Michael Proctor's "love don't live" aren't a patch, lyrically, on the likes of Harold Melvins "bad luck" or any number of "straight up" soul records. There's a reason for this, house ain't soul and the greatest house records aren't trying to be soul records- even if they have a vocal.

As for being an area ripe for the soul collector years down the line, somehow I doubt it. Some of the very best vocal house tunes are nearly twenty years old now and as far as I'm aware the likes of Shalor, Ce Ce Rogers and Robert Owens early efforts only remain desirable amongst house music collectors.

I also think the "underground scene+ black dance music= soul" is tenuous. They've been many scenes that meet the underground and black music criteria but have been a million miles from being soul.... go-go, electro, hip hop, jazz funk....even techno.

Oh and I'd agree Michael Proctor sounds like Tom Jones. Give me Phuture "we are phuture" any day of the week!

bang on

[chrissie]

I'm probaby one of the few people who have arrived on this Forum years after starting out with house music and for what it's worth, here's my opinion.

The fact is, unlike great soul records, very few house records have a really strong lyrical content- records like Michael Proctor's "love don't live" aren't a patch, lyrically, on the likes of Harold Melvins "bad luck" or any number of "straight up" soul records. There's a reason for this, house ain't soul and the greatest house records aren't trying to be soul records- even if they have a vocal.

As for being an area ripe for the soul collector years down the line, somehow I doubt it. Some of the very best vocal house tunes are nearly twenty years old now and as far as I'm aware the likes of Shalor, Ce Ce Rogers and Robert Owens early efforts only remain desirable amongst house music collectors.

I also think the "underground scene+ black dance music= soul" is tenuous. They've been many scenes that meet the underground and black music criteria but have been a million miles from being soul.... go-go, electro, hip hop, jazz funk....even techno.

Oh and I'd agree Michael Proctor sounds like Tom Jones. Give me Phuture "we are phuture" any day of the week!

Spot on, and I suppose that's really where my problem is, I am a lyrical kinda gal, if I can't sing along to it my feet don't work

QoFxx

[urrrs]

I know bugger all about modern soul and even less about house or funk or what is played in modern rooms or at modern nights but to me soul is something that grabs your heart, to some it may be more modern versions to me its 60s. You can't make yourself fall in love with a person its just the same, I can't make myself love house or funk.

And since when did I have to have a vast knowledge of all things soul to be enititled to an opinion on an open forum. I think I am still allowed my opinion even if it is different to yours.

QoFxx

Hi peps, i'm not new to this forum, but don't normally get involved. This an interesting thread, I\ve been into Northern for years, but the London side of me came through the jazz\funk and disco ranks first. Now we have the 21st century version of disco - soulful house, and I think there is some great stuff out there as weell as some crap. Just like disco and Northern scenes.

Anyway, in reply to the above. I have no issue with you just being into 60's and admire your honesty, but if you don't spend time in the modern room, how the hell you ever going to find out whether any of the tunes mean anything ?

Ivor, I was interested in what you said that there was some soulful house that you thought was ok. I remember asking you what you thought of it in London at a "do" near Marble Arch about 5 years ago and you said it was all shit !! I'm glad that you have changed your mind abit

One last thing, the day we start getting funk, jazz funk, Northern and modern (80's soul modern ?) and soulful house in the same room, then that's when the UK scene has come of age - i'll keep wishing ah !!

[Cunnie]

Hi peps, i'm not new to this forum, but don't normally get involved. This an interesting thread, I\ve been into Northern for years, but the London side of me came through the jazz\funk and disco ranks first. Now we have the 21st century version of disco - soulful house, and I think there is some great stuff out there as weell as some crap. Just like disco and Northern scenes.

Anyway, in reply to the above. I have no issue with you just being into 60's and admire your honesty, but if you don't spend time in the modern room, how the hell you ever going to find out whether any of the tunes mean anything ?

Ivor, I was interested in what you said that there was some soulful house that you thought was ok. I remember asking you what you thought of it in London at a "do" near Marble Arch about 5 years ago and you said it was all shit !! I'm glad that you have changed your mind abit

One last thing, the day we start getting funk, jazz funk, Northern and modern (80's soul modern ?) and soulful house in the same room, then that's when the UK scene has come of age - i'll keep wishing ah !!

Hi Urrrs,

Wasn't going to get involved in this thread but having just read your post I thought it was worthy of a reply.

I just wish there were more people on the Soul scene in the UK who thought this way.

You only have to read some of the threads on various forums (not just on here) to see how blinkered folks on both sides of the Soul scene can be.

At a weekender last year I even saw Northern punters walking through the Modern room with their fingers in their ears & saw Modern punters going into the Northern room purely & simply to take the p1ss out of folks over the way they dressed & danced.

Must make you wonder how folks from outside the Soul scene must view us & it's not hard to see why we can't get new faces onto the scene in the UK.

Now I'm not suggesting for one minute every Northern room books someone to do a full on House set for an hour & every Modern room books an oldies jock to break the night up but somewhere along the line common sense has to come into the equasion. All I'd like to see is a bit more acceptance of each others style of music instead of all the backstabbing & snide remarks that always seems to occur on both sides of the Soul scene.

Been racking my brains to think of a venue in the UK that really does play a broad spectrum of Soul music ranging from classic 60s right through to present day releases in equal measure in one room & I can only think of one place that I have visited that does it consistently well & thats the Red Bar in Wakefield, a night that is free admission & ran by a great group of lads of varying musical tastes who just do it for the love of the music.

Also saw a similar thing happen at a recent night in Sheffield at the Love & Happiness night at Qube.

Soul Sam was the main guest in the main room downstairs alongside Cliff Dale, the Pinches twins & myself playing Modern from the 70s to present day stuff & the upstairs room was playing classic 60s Northern.

At 12-30 the upstairs room closed so all the Northern punters found themselves in the Modern room & Sam was still on so he jumped into his sales box & started playing everything from things like the Velvet Satins & Margret Little right through to stuff like Urban Blues Project & Michael Proctor (& yes it does sound like Tom Jones ).

He finished off with R Kelly's Up & Outa Here & it was so refreshing to see die hard 60s & Modern fans all on the dancefloor together enjoying themselves.

Quality post Urrrs & hope you visit the site more often

[Wrongcrowd]

One last thing, the day we start getting funk, jazz funk, Northern and modern (80's soul modern ?) and soulful house in the same room, then that's when the UK scene has come of age - i'll keep wishing ah !!

If only.....World peace would be more likely than a total appreciation of all styles of soul music.

It's difficult enough to gain a rounded appreciation in a modern soul room when the range of styles spans near on 40 years with playlists moving between crossover and soulful house, and everything in between, and likewise mutterings and discontent echo around the northern rooms which typically play music from only half of this time span. You will never please everyone.

In reality there's very few across the board soul fans, most specialise in one or two areas, and that's absolutely fine. I just wish they would keep their uninformed opinions of music styles, outside of their areas to themselves - this forum would be a far better place for it.

Edited January 28, 2008 by Wrongcrowd

[Guest realsoulfan]

The thing that's killing the soul scene in the UK is having different Genres of soul music, and peoples concepts of what it each genre is (pidgeon holling).

I've heard people class Soulfull House as stuff you'll here played in any bar in any city centre bar at the weekends, But in the same light i've heard northern soul classed as things like 3rd finger left hand and band of gold,

What a insult to people who go out of their way looking for and finding quality Soul music to bring to a more appreciative audience.

The other problem that i have by putting soul music into Genres it's a excuse for some people to take a instant dislike to it without firstly having a listen to a particular era of soul music.

I feel that if tou look back over the past decades you can see how things have progressed into what people may term soulfull house like it or not production of certain decades do have a familiar sound to them.

I'm not saying people should automaticly like or accept a particular genre but give it a chance and have a listen and if you've listened and don't then like it fair play to you .

[chrissie]

Anyway, in reply to the above. I have no issue with you just being into 60's and admire your honesty, but if you don't spend time in the modern room, how the hell you ever going to find out whether any of the tunes mean anything ?

I think if you read a following post of mine you will see that I said that I do listen to modern soul at across the board nights, and do spend the odd hour or to in modern rooms. I have no prob with this as I think it is good to experience other music in the same way I will always take time to listen to Ska and RnB etc, but I still do not see funk and house as the same as modern soul................I am obviously missing the point somewhere but try as I might I can't seem to work out where. I am trying to highlight the difference of what I see as modern/disco from house and funk and to me there is a vast difference.

QoFxx

[Souljazera]

SOUL MUSIC ALL NITE LONG be it northern/modern/disco/funk/house....

example::::https://rhythmic_freedom.at.infoseek.co.jp/guest_mix.htm

[Pete S]

I just wish they would keep their uninformed opinions of music styles, outside of their areas to themselves - this forum would be a far better place for it.

And of course then it wouldn't be a forum would it

[Wrongcrowd]

And of course then it wouldn't be a forum would it

No, I see you point Pete.

It wouldn't, if your idea of a healthy forum is to argue the toss on which flavours of soul music are worthy, and pitch inane comments against the styles you didn't like.

[Guest nubes]

No, I see you point Pete.

It wouldn't, if your idea of a healthy forum is to argue the toss on which flavours of soul music are worthy, and pitch inane comments against the styles you didn't like.

Dont faint Cliff...but i totally agree with ya...from the mid 80s to present...both Viki and myself went to a lot of upfront soul dos..due ..in part to the people we were around at this time ....who seem to know musically what was happening before it did....

just like the first time i heard Cecil Washington at the casino.......hearing Love Cant Turn Around...at a soul/funk Dayer in Northampton...just blew me away.....

some folk feel secure when they place barriers around themselves ...be it music....land....people etc etc....that is their choice ......and i do not judge anybody on that.....horses for courses.....but for me..hearing some of the earlier House Classics was as goosepimply as hearing some of the Northern classics for the first time......Delxxx

[Wrongcrowd]

Dont faint Cliff...but i totally agree with ya...from the mid 80s to present...both Viki and myself went to a lot of upfront soul dos..due ..in part to the people we were around at this time ....who seem to know musically what was happening before it did....

just like the first time i heard Cecil Washington at the casino.......hearing Love Cant Turn Around...at a soul/funk Dayer in Northampton...just blew me away.....

some folk feel secure when they place barriers around themselves ...be it music....land....people etc etc....that is their choice ......and i do not judge anybody on that.....horses for courses.....but for me..hearing some of the earlier House Classics was as goosepimply as hearing some of the Northern classics for the first time......Delxxx

I've always considered you a totally switched on lady that appreciates good soul music, so not suprised at your shameful confession .

I'll have a soulful house CD ready for you at Silk on 23rd. It'll be our secret

[Cunnie]

Current thread on the link below in the 'Media' section if anyone wants a listen.

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=65171

[Barry]

Bearsy - I'm here.

Tony (Rounce) - I used VSR simply as it is a track that I thought the majority of this board could relate to as in it is a four to the floor, percussive and exciting production - a la House - if you think that there aren't any Soulful House records that haven't pissed old Vicki into a cocked hat, then you need to take a little more interest mate.)

I am also sick to death of the old DJ Genesis, Michael Procotor posts.

The reasons these records get so much unwarranted stick on this board is due to the unimaginatave, lack lustre, interest that Northern dj's give over to seeking out newly released Black American productions (Not 'Soulful House/House or 'whatever' term you may think be derisory as people read your posts - in reality they are - Black Danceable Music - Northern).

A Northern Soul DJ (Sam or whoveer) is just that - a person who gives their time, majoritively, over to Northern...not new releases...and they should be taken with a pinch of salt.

I'll give you a tip re 'Soulful House' - stop looking Stateside and start looking to Europe....many of the old Bradford Modern Room stuff that is still remebered, where just that.

I could play you stuff that would make you weep on a dancefloor.

I mean it.

What you get told is right on the dancefloor by 'significant others', isn't always that.

Edited January 29, 2008 by Barry

[Barry]

you see the house music i know has nothing to do with rare or northern soul or even disco, soulful house is yet again another style of music to house

On the flip though Bearsy, you've hit the nail on the head there mate....it's the house music that you, or whoever knows, that is the only way a subjective view is formed.

You really cannot give a biased view of anything unless you know what you're talking about.

A lot of posts that follow a 'Soulful House' thread are based upon a limited knowledge, I've not really got a problem with that at all, we all have a learning curve to sit on, I'm a realist (my knowledge is limited compared to others on here, I worked for it though)....but Christ! there's so much 'Soulful House' released worlwide weekly, it's unreal.

Look back a the history of the scene, how many die hard 60'a lovers (cue the flood ), haven't grown to accept certain 70's productions?

I know there will be a significant portion, yes, but, my age old argument is that to truly understand black music, you must see that there - year after year - is very little difference in production techniques.

get over the 'Boom - Tit', kick and hi hat production of 'Soulful House' and there's nothing more than a black man or woman singing.

I served Sam with 'House' for years and he would turn tracks down over certain production elements, no matter how worthy (I thought) or 'soulful, vocally, a track was.

But that's how people are - fair do's, each to their own.

On the back of that though, the story your alotted oracle (the person you face on the dancefloor at any given time) tells you, is just - and only - that.

His story...nobody elses.

If you can't think outside the box, at least stick your head over the edge...it'll pay dividends.

[Barry]

In reality there's very few across the board soul fans, most specialise in one or two areas, and that's absolutely fine. I just wish they would keep their uninformed opinions of music styles, outside of their areas to themselves - this forum would be a far better place for it

Mate!

In one.

I wouldn't have bothered posting all my over elaborate red wine based postins on here if I'd have read that first.

[Barry]

HELLO THERE BARRY,

DONT QUITE UNDERSTAND THIS THREAD MATE....... DOES THIS MEAN YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH MR KNUCKLES` POINT OF VEIW........?

SEE I LIKE A BIT OF DISCO MYSELF....... AS LONG AS ITS OF THE SOULFULL VARIETY

I THINK THATS THE TROUBLE WITH HOUSE [AND DISCO] IN GENERAL.......MOST OF IT ISNT.

WHAT SAY YOU BARRY ?

BEST, IVOR

Sorry Ivor, I can see that I can be vague with my posts - I've that much arrogance in me, I occassionally can't see past it.

Of course 'House Music is Disco's Revenge' (that statement, although a fantastic media spin-line, is flawed in itself, if only in the respect that there is little, if any, difference in arrangement and vocal content)

House is Disco (?? What does this board deem Disco? - there's another thread ).

Disco was always House - it just happens that the term 'House' - as it is called these days, (the Kick and Hi hat sequenced production ) - pigeon hole wasn't around back then to coin.

There has never been a gap in US vocal based productions, there has always been the the same integrity, that four to the floor beat and the same reasons behind people feeling the need to catalogue their feelings in a studio - getting it down.

Nice soundbite - but I see no difference between the two termed forms.

Mainly as I have continually bought (and for me, understood) danceable black music and how it needs to progress...much the same as anything.

I respect everyones view on here, that is if it is given without prejudice...I'll not counter anyones post as long as it is a positive one.

Harmony is easy....don't hide your insecurities under a negative response.

[Wrongcrowd]

Well said Cliff

Cheers,

Mark R

That's the difference Mark - being able to sort the good from the bad in all genres, and in your game mate, the excellent from the average.

[Guest cardysharpy]

Sorry Ivor, I can see that I can be vague with my posts - I've that much arrogance in me, I occassionally can't see past it.

Of course 'House Music is Disco's Revenge' (that statement, although a fantastic media spin-line, is flawed in itself, if only in the respect that there is little, if any, difference in arrangement and vocal content)

House is Disco (?? What does this board deem Disco? - there's another thread ).

Disco was always House - it just happens that the term 'House' - as it is called these days, (the Kick and Hi hat sequenced production ) - pigeon hole wasn't around back then to coin.

There has never been a gap in US vocal based productions, there has always been the the same integrity, that four to the floor beat and the same reasons behind people feeling the need to catalogue their feelings in a studio - getting it down.

Nice soundbite - but I see no difference between the two termed forms.

Mainly as I have continually bought (and for me, understood) danceable black music and how it needs to progress...much the same as anything.

I respect everyones view on here, that is if it is given without prejudice...I'll not counter anyones post as long as it is a positive one.

Harmony is easy....don't hide your insecurities under a negative response.

Barry, I'm not sure what you're getting at with your last few posts.

Is it that soul, disco and house are all the same thing?

Is it that people who like Northern and don't like house should open their eyes, or at least shouldn't express an opinion on it?

Or that the scene has a future through Soulful House?

........................or have I missed your point entirely?

[Guest Ivor Jones]

Hi peps, i'm not new to this forum, but don't normally get involved. This an interesting thread, I\ve been into Northern for years, but the London side of me came through the jazz\funk and disco ranks first. Now we have the 21st century version of disco - soulful house, and I think there is some great stuff out there as weell as some crap. Just like disco and Northern scenes.

Anyway, in reply to the above. I have no issue with you just being into 60's and admire your honesty, but if you don't spend time in the modern room, how the hell you ever going to find out whether any of the tunes mean anything ?

Ivor, I was interested in what you said that there was some soulful house that you thought was ok. I remember asking you what you thought of it in London at a "do" near Marble Arch about 5 years ago and you said it was all shit !! I'm glad that you have changed your mind abit

One last thing, the day we start getting funk, jazz funk, Northern and modern (80's soul modern ?) and soulful house in the same room, then that's when the UK scene has come of age - i'll keep wishing ah !!

FORGIVE ME "URRRS",

BUT AS I HAVE I HAVE NO MEANS OF IDENTIFYING WHO YOU ARE,I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION OF THIS PARTICULAR "CONVERSATION".....

I DO REMEMBER THE FUNCTION THOUGH.

I FIND IT VEY VEY STRANGE HIC THAT I WOULD HAVE DISMISSED SOULFULL HOUSE AS "ALL SHIT", SEEING AS I HAVE BOUGHT FOR MY OWN ENJOYMENT, PLAYED AND DEEJAYED WITH WHAT I REGARD TO BE THE BEST EXAMPLES OF THIS PARTICULAR GENRE FOR MANY YEARS NOW.....

SOMEWHERE AROUND THE LATE 80`S/EARLY 90`S .

ANYONE WHO REALLY KNOWS ME WILL KNOW JUST HOW PASSIONATE I AM ABOUT SOME OF THIS STUFF.

DONT SUPPOSE YOU COULD HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD MY SARCASTIC NATURE AT ALL ?

I STAND BY WHAT I SAID EARLIER IN THE THREAD THOUGH........

I RECKON THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS SHIT.

AND MORE TO THE POINT,TOTALLY UNSUITABLE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SCENE.

IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT DJ DICKHEAD AND HIS MATES DO ON THE HOUSE SCENE,ITS NOT RELEVANT HERE IS IT ?

MOST OF IT IS EITHER "TOO HARD",PRODUCTION WISE OR, NO SONG TO SPEAK OF AND JUST A GROOVE.OBVIOUSLY,SOME TRACKS WORK AS INSTRUMENTALS BUT BY AND LARGE ITS THE VOCAL STUFF WE LIKE ISNT IT ?

WHAT I LIKE IS SOUL MUSIC OF ALL DESCRIPTIONS AND STYLES. IN MY EXPERIENCE,MOST PEOPLE WHO BUY THIS STUFF DONT REALLY UNDERSTAND OR APPRECIATE STRAIGHT UP SOUL MUSIC ANYWAY. SURE,SOME DO BUT MOST DONT IVE FOUND.........

WHAT I CANT ABIDE THOUGH IS BEING TOLD WHAT I CAN AND CANT LIKE....

ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE GET THE TOTALLY WRONG END OF THE STICK.

IVOR

Edited January 29, 2008 by Ivor Jones

[Simon M]

Jim Dunn asks , how the Oil and Water mix is going Ivor

[Guest Ivor Jones]

Jim Dunn asks , how the Oil and Water mix is going Ivor

HIC ! ITSH GOIN VERY WELL INDEED TELL HIM TO GET ON WITH HIS CARPENTRY

[Simon M]

HIC ! ITSH GOIN VERY WELL INDEED TELL HIM TO GET ON WITH HIS CARPENTRY

Aye I will tell him

[oldsteve woomble]

Anyways, arguements shmarguements. Whatever...........

Anyone who fancies dipping their toes into a few 'recent' releases might care to try out some of the following (which I posted on EMS as some of my tunes of the year). If you dig them out and like them then fine, if you don't bother then that's fine too. Each to their own.

Darryl D'Bonneau - Miracles

Morten Trust/J-sun - Back To Love

Marquito/Duane Harden - Face It Now

Terry Hunter/Byron Stingily / Carla Proctor - I Waited For You

Deepswing / Linda jackson - Lift Up!

Deepswing / Kellly Jones - Mighty Mighty Love

Kentaro Takizawa / Lisa Shaw - Can't Stop

Gene King / Sacha - Changes

Orgone - I Get Lifted

Toshio Matsuura Group - A Night In Tunisia

Matthew Bandy - Thinkin Bout You

Monkey Bros / Shaun Escofferey - Losin My Head

Harley & Muscle / Gerideau - Deeper Love

Kenny Bobien (Meme) - the momentous...... I Shall Not Be Moved

Nomambah / Nadirah Shakoor - Like A Rainbow

Not interested in any comments about my 'taste' (or lack of it! ). Just thought I'd try to point those who may be interested towards a few tracks which they might like.

To me, it's all just quality soul music.

Steve

Steve

[Guest nubes]

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I've always considered you a totally switched on lady that appreciates good soul music, so not suprised at your shameful confession .

I'll have a soulful house CD ready for you at Silk on 23rd. It'll be our secret

A switched on Lady???!!!! never realised you held me in such high esteem Clifford.....Thank You in advance for the CD..looking forward to it already.....can i be cheeky and ask if you can add a few Latin flavas as well then.....Delxxx

[Guest Buey]

Kenny Bobien (Meme) - the momentous...... I Shall Not Be Moved

TOOONNNNNNN!!!! woomble you are a man of taste. all the best BUEY

[Guest]

featuring michael prockter love dont live plus way of life trypin on ur love great power full vocals gets the old vespa 150 sportique goin again so will jeanette williams hold on me

[Robin S]

On the flip though Bearsy, you've hit the nail on the head there mate....it's the house music that you, or whoever knows, that is the only way a subjective view is formed.

You really cannot give a biased view of anything unless you know what you're talking about.

A lot of posts that follow a 'Soulful House' thread are based upon a limited knowledge, I've not really got a problem with that at all, we all have a learning curve to sit on, I'm a realist (my knowledge is limited compared to others on here, I worked for it though)....but Christ! there's so much 'Soulful House' released worlwide weekly, it's unreal.

Look back a the history of the scene, how many die hard 60'a lovers (cue the flood ), haven't grown to accept certain 70's productions?

I know there will be a significant portion, yes, but, my age old argument is that to truly understand black music, you must see that there - year after year - is very little difference in production techniques.

get over the 'Boom - Tit', kick and hi hat production of 'Soulful House' and there's nothing more than a black man or woman singing.

I served Sam with 'House' for years and he would turn tracks down over certain production elements, no matter how worthy (I thought) or 'soulful, vocally, a track was.

But that's how people are - fair do's, each to their own.

On the back of that though, the story your alotted oracle (the person you face on the dancefloor at any given time) tells you, is just - and only - that.

His story...nobody elses.

If you can't think outside the box, at least stick your head over the edge...it'll pay dividends.

Some really thoughtful posts there Barry and you know I'm so glad I came out of that box all those years ago! Life would be musically a much poorer place.

[Robin S]

Anyways, arguements shmarguements. Whatever...........

Anyone who fancies dipping their toes into a few 'recent' releases might care to try out some of the following (which I posted on EMS as some of my tunes of the year). If you dig them out and like them then fine, if you don't bother then that's fine too. Each to their own.

Darryl D'Bonneau - Miracles

Morten Trust/J-sun - Back To Love

Marquito/Duane Harden - Face It Now

Terry Hunter/Byron Stingily / Carla Proctor - I Waited For You

Deepswing / Linda jackson - Lift Up!

Deepswing / Kellly Jones - Mighty Mighty Love

Kentaro Takizawa / Lisa Shaw - Can't Stop

Gene King / Sacha - Changes

Orgone - I Get Lifted

Toshio Matsuura Group - A Night In Tunisia

Matthew Bandy - Thinkin Bout You

Monkey Bros / Shaun Escofferey - Losin My Head

Harley & Muscle / Gerideau - Deeper Love

Kenny Bobien (Meme) - the momentous...... I Shall Not Be Moved

Nomambah / Nadirah Shakoor - Like A Rainbow

Not interested in any comments about my 'taste' (or lack of it! ). Just thought I'd try to point those who may be interested towards a few tracks which they might like.

To me, it's all just quality soul music.

Steve

Steve

Can't resist a comment Steve.. , Marquito/Duane Harden probably my fave of last year - it just does it for me over and over again...

[urrrs]

I think if you read a following post of mine you will see that I said that I do listen to modern soul at across the board nights, and do spend the odd hour or to in modern rooms. I have no prob with this as I think it is good to experience other music in the same way I will always take time to listen to Ska and RnB etc, but I still do not see funk and house as the same as modern soul................I am obviously missing the point somewhere but try as I might I can't seem to work out where. I am trying to highlight the difference of what I see as modern/disco from house and funk and to me there is a vast difference.

QoFxx

No, i never missed the quote, but what I don't understand is how you believe you would be able to give a "good" representation that will hold credence with us soulies that like a whole spectrum of the music, when you say yourself "you only spend the odd hour in the modern room". I wonder how you would react to some of your friends going with you to a Northern "do", and coating it off after an hour or so ? Would you try to argue with them that they need to give it more time to listen to the tracks ?

You know, i've been to Northern "do's" with live artists on, (E. Starr comes to mind) and happy seen him at a few allnighters, (Hinkley being one), you never saw a 60's soul fans coating him off for playing Happy Radio or Contact in his set, no they would be on the floor giving it large, because Edwin was the MAN. Ah, but put those tracks on at a plain old Northern do and listen to the crap comments about disco this and disco that, etc.

Anyway I degress.....you need to spend more than the odd hour in a modern room to be able to say that it does nothing for you. Until then I'm affraid, your opion is not a very well respected one ...well, by me anyway !