Guest Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Hi, I only joined this site today and I'm not a Northern Soul expert, although I love most types of old soul music and have quite a lot on 45 or LP. Until I discovered this site I was going to put this disc on ebay at a very high price, niot to sell it, but to see if i could get someone to identify it. Here is the problem as I tped it out for ebay. Please bear with me as it is quite long...can anybody help please? :- I'll do my best to describe it and if anyone can tell me what it is I'd be very grateful. If necessary I could play it down the telephone at a mutually convenient time. THE DISC IS LABELLED UP AS A D.J. NOT FOR SALE COPY OF PHI-DAN 5000 -FLORENCE DEVORE PERFORMING KISS ME NOW & WE'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH ON PHIL SPECTOR'S SHORT-LIVED PHI-DAN LABEL But, when I play it the woman doesn't sound like Florence Devore and neither of the songs is Kiss Me Now. I'm not a Northern Soul expert and I've been unable to figure out what this actually is. I thought that the answer should be obvious if I tracked down a Spector/Phi-Dan discography as the label should be reasonably contemporaneous with the disc. I came up with the results for this period (below) but it doesn't seem likely to be any of these. I can't find any information online about the gap in the Phi-Dan numbering which jumps from 5001 to 5005. So I'm wondering if I have 5002, 3, or 4 and if any of these were actually issued. Or....do I have a single from a non-Spector label that was pressed at the same plant? There are "handwritten" matrix numbers on each side MC 005 and MC 006 The "Kiss Me Now" side is an uptempo number which starts with a Motownish intro and then male backing singers singing "baby baby oh how I love you but you treated me so untrue" (I think), then the female kicks in with "Where were you when I needed someone"...there are famale backing singers too that kick in separately to the males.. 1965 Philles 126 Ronettes Born to Be Together (Spector-Mann-Weil) Blues for Baby (Phil Spector) Philles 127 Righteous Brothers Just Once in My Life (Spector-Goffin-King) The Blues (Medley) Philles 128 Ronettes Is This what I Get for Loving You? (Spector-Goffin-King) Oh I Love You (Phil Spector) Philles 129 Righteous Brothers Hung on You (Spector-Goffin-King) Unchained Melody (Zaret-North) Philles 130 Righteous Brothers Ebb Tide (Sigman-Maxwell) For Sentimental Reasons (Watson-Best) Phi-Dan 5000 Florence DeVore Kiss Me Now (Sacon-Hall) We're Not Old Enough (Pinter-Susser-Cooper) (Producer: Cooper-Susser-Silberstein) Phi-Dan 5001 Betty Willis Act Naturally (Morrison-Russell) Soul (Higgins) (Producer: Leon Russell) Phi-Dan 5005 Bonnie & the Treasures Home of the Brave (Poncia-Andreoli) Our Song (Riopell) (Producer: Jerry Riopell) Phi-Dan 5006 Al de Lory Yesterday (Lennon-McCartney) Traffic Jam (A. de Lory) (Producer: Atlas Artists Productions) Phi-Dan 5007 George McCannon III You Can't Grow Peaches on a Cherry Tree (Levitt-Monte) Seven Million People (Miller-Greenfield) (Producer: No credit) Phi-Dan 5008 Lovelites (When) I Get Scared (Poncia-Andreoli-Pomuz) Malady (Gelfand) (Producer: Anders-Poncia) Phi-Dan 5009 Ikettes Whatcha Gonna Do (Turner) Down Down (Turner) (Producer: Ike Turner) Phi-Dan 5010 Sugar Plums Lovers Wonderland (Garfield-Botkin-Cole) (A side producer: Botkin-Garfied) Sugar Plum Blues (Same track as B side of Philles 119X) 1966 Philles 132 Ike and Tina Turner River Deep-Mountain High (Spector-Greenwich Barry) I'll Keep You Happy (Phil Spector) Philles 132 Righteous Brothers White Cliffs of Dover (Black-Miller) She's Mine, All Mine (Hatfield) (B side producer: Medley) Philles 133 Ronettes I Can Hear Music (Spector-Greenwich-Barry) (A side producer: Jeff Barry) When l Saw You (Phil Spector) Philles 134 (Unreleased in U. S. ) Ike and Tina Turner A Man Is a Man Is a Man (Antell) Two to Tango (Peretti-Creatore) (Producer: Bob Crewe) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 (edited) What are the words in the choruses on each side? Edited January 23, 2008 by Sebastian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 the song you're describing is definitely 'where were you' that was done by a bunch of groups -- thelma lindsay, barbara jean and the lyrics, cynthia and the imaginations, and I think one other version I can't think of right now. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Alan T Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Thelma Lindsey - Why Weren't You There - Magic City 005 Regards Tomo Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 (edited) There are "handwritten" matrix numbers on each side MC 005 and MC 006 The "Kiss Me Now" side is an uptempo number which starts with a Motownish intro and then male backing singers singing "baby baby oh how I love you but you treated me so untrue" (I think), then the female kicks in with "Where were you when I needed someone"...there are famale backing singers too that kick in separately to the males.. 1965 David the song you describe sounds like Thelma Lindsay - Why werent you there (where were you) / Prepared to love you Issued on Magic City MC005 Hope that clears the identity bit, as for the mis - labeling......... who knows Best M. Edited January 23, 2008 by MarkWhiteley Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Is your label black & white. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tabs Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Is your label black & white. I was just thinking the same, or even the multicolour design. Any chance of a scan? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Crumb Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Quote from Manship's bootleg guide on Florence Devore "some of the pale blue bootlegs actually play Thelma Lindsey" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Thanks for all the info, I am very impressed. I'm coming down on the side of a bootleg copy that mistakenly plays Thelma Lindsey. To answer the main queries,I have just listened to the B side and the main chorus seems to be " do not prepare to love me......please don't stay". The labels are a pale blue..or almost blue/green in the artificial light I have on now. I'll see if I can upload a photo...(first time today!). I guess the next thing to do is decide whether to keep it or to record a copy for myself and list it on ebay..in which case I shall have to make sure that I describe it correctly so as not to mislead anyone. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 You're a very lucky guy. Thelma Lindsey is a ten times better record than Florence bloody whatsit! (IMO) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Thanks Sean, I've listened to Florence on a website and I agree. Thelma is or was a great vocalist, I think, and both sides of the disc are great tracks. If what I have is a bootleg is it still a collectable item? Stockmarket falls, my advancing age, and the likelihood of Government cut-backs on spending on the elderly - plus the desire to move to a smaller, newer, house one day are prompting me to reduce my somewhat large collection of all types of vinyl... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Thanks Sean, I've listened to Florence on a website and I agree. Thelma is or was a great vocalist, I think, and both sides of the disc are great tracks. If what I have is a bootleg is it still a collectable item? Stockmarket falls, my advancing age, and the likelihood of Government cut-backs on spending on the elderly - plus the desire to move to a smaller, newer, house one day are prompting me to reduce my somewhat large collection of all types of vinyl... I'm afraid that one isn't going to help you move house - it's worth no more than 10 quid Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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