Collecting Us Verve Label 45s

[Russoul1]

hi all, just been spinning a few tunes at home realising over the years how many verve 45s ive

amassed mainly light blue demos. it got me thinking knowing that there are black issues, dark blue

issues, yellow demos, light blue demos which is the most collectable format? does it depend on

the 45? were demos mainly light blue? are issues mainly dark blue? why dont you see so many

black issues, yellow demos? any info and input would be interesting.

regards

russ

[Andyf]

Got Tommy Yates - Darling Something's Gotta Give on a red Verve label. Can't remember if it's an issue or a demo though.

[Russoul1]

Got Tommy Yates - Darling Something's Gotta Give on a red Verve label. Can't remember if it's an issue or a demo though.

never seen a red one, is it a us press? interesting have got pat thomas on a black issue and yellow demo never seen it on blue format

does the colour format/formats come from the year the 45 is pressed ie early 60s later 60s?

russ

[Guest Johnny Mack]

Don't come much rarer than this blue issue !

hi all, just been spinning a few tunes at home realising over the years how many verve 45s ive

amassed mainly light blue demos. it got me thinking knowing that there are black issues, dark blue

issues, yellow demos, light blue demos which is the most collectable format? does it depend on

the 45? were demos mainly light blue? are issues mainly dark blue? why dont you see so many

black issues, yellow demos? any info and input would be interesting.

regards

russ

[Russoul1]

Don't come much rarer than this blue issue !

nice one john, got light blue demo one thought the black issue was harder? or even the yellow

one. perfect example why do some 45s come in all these formats? and some dont?

Edited January 18, 2008 by russoul1

[Pauldonnelly]

Russ I may have this on issue and demo, do you want my yellow demo foc?

https://www.soulclub.org/stream/Susan_Rafey...urts_So_Bad.ram

[Guest miff]

Ive got a red Demo of Howard Tate "Stop"

[Russoul1]

Russ I may have this on issue and demo, do you want my yellow demo foc?

https://www.soulclub.org/stream/Susan_Rafey...urts_So_Bad.ram

thats very kind of you paul, is it because i kept to my word and handed you

back that £20, maybe because im a posh supporter, maybe you like me! lol

either way ill take it thanks!

regards

russ

[Russoul1]

Ive got a red Demo of Howard Tate "Stop"

ok so now red demos come into the thread now! amazing

another question thats been bugging me

do verve have a company sleeve? or are they mgm?

russ

[Pauldonnelly]

thats very kind of you paul, is it because i kept to my word and handed you

back that £20, maybe because im a posh supporter, maybe you like me! lol

either way ill take it thanks!

regards

russ

nah. I just don't like the crock of early Wigan shyte these days...

[Guest]

nice one john, got light blue demo one thought the black issue was harder? or even the yellow

one. perfect example why do some 45s come in all these formats? and some dont?

Light blue demo, is the demo of the dark blue issue.

Yellow demo, is the demo of the black issue.

I have read/heard that the Yellowdemo/Black issue copies where the Jazz series for Verve, anyone know for sure?

[45cellar]

Don't come much rarer than this blue issue !

Hi John

Nice One Mate

That is Rare on Blue Stock Copy.

Always expected it to exist, as I have the Light Blue DEMO

However, I hadn't seen a Blue Stock Copy until recently on Manships, and now your copy.

I also have the Black Label Stock Copy & have seen the Yellow DEMO.

Edited January 18, 2008 by 45cellar

[45cellar]

Light blue demo, is the demo of the dark blue issue.

Yellow demo, is the demo of the black issue.

I have read/heard that the Yellowdemo/Black issue copies where the Jazz series for Verve, anyone know for sure?

That is an Interesting Theory Mate.

I have often wondered about the different colour Labels for Verve.

With the two Stock copies and the Yellow DEMO being so RARE & the Light Blue DEMO not so Easy either.

I couldn't find the reason for the two released designs for this High Keys release.

• Couldn't see a re-issue scenario as the record doesn't appear to have been successful enough at the time. (i.e. where are all the copies today)
  

• Wondered if a change of Label Design happened at the time of release and this record was caught up in the transition.
  

• Different Pressing Plants.
  
• Different Coast
  

I for one am willing to absorb the "Jazz Series" Theory as a possibility until proven otherwise.

Does tick a few boxes for me.

With the Label name crossing the Pond to the U.K. I find it strange that we still know so little about certain aspects of it's U.S. production.

Edited January 19, 2008 by 45cellar

[Djr]

I have read/heard that the Yellowdemo/Black issue copies where the Jazz series for Verve, anyone know for sure?

I can't say for sure, but I have a number of jazz 45s on this label, and they are all either yellow demos or black stock copies.

I know this topic is concerned specifically with Verve 45s, but are there any soul LPs that were ever released on this label? Just curious, as I have never come across any.

[Neilb]

Hi I collect the verve stock copies.

Two that I have never seen are the Youngblood Smith and Pal & the Prophets.Anyone ever seen issues of these?

Neil

[Larsc]

another question thats been bugging me

do verve have a company sleeve? or are they mgm?

russ

I have a 70's verve company sleeve, and I think I've seen an earlier one.

[MarkWhiteley]

That is an Interesting Theory Mate.

I have often wondered about the different colour Labels for Verve.

With the two Stock copies and the Yellow DEMO being so RARE & the Light Blue DEMO not so Easy either.

I couldn't find the reason for the two released designs for this High Keys release.

• Couldn't see a re-issue scenario as the record doesn't appear to have been successful enough at the time. (i.e. where are all the copies today)
  

• Wondered if a change of Label Design happened at the time of release and this record was caught up in the transition.
  

• Different Pressing Plants.
  
• Different Coast
  

I for one am willing to absorb the "Jazz Series" Theory as a possibility until proven otherwise.

Does tick a few boxes for me.

With the Label name crossing the Pond to the U.K. I find it strange that we still know so little about certain aspects of it's U.S. production.

Just out of interest Roger

Do you have stock copies of 'Real Jive Guy' - Dejah Ahres ?

Only ever seen yellow promos of both Vocal & Inst versions

Best

M.

[pikeys dog]

I can't say for sure, but I have a number of jazz 45s on this label, and they are all either yellow demos or black stock copies.

I know this topic is concerned specifically with Verve 45s, but are there any soul LPs that were ever released on this label? Just curious, as I have never come across any.

Without getting into the debate of whether or not the Righteous Brothers were Soul artists, they definately had LPs released on the Verve label.

[pikeys dog]

oh, and Howard Tate as well...

[Jim G]

Yellow Demo of the High Keys

[45cellar]

Don't come much rarer than this blue issue !

Hi John

Nice One Mate

That is Rare on Blue Stock Copy.

Always expected it to exist, as I have the Light Blue DEMO

However, I hadn't seen a Blue Stock Copy until recently on Manships, and now your copy.

I also have the Black Label Stock Copy & have seen the Yellow DEMO.

Yellow Demo of the High Keys

Thanks Jim

All four together.

Look nice don't they.

Edited January 19, 2008 by 45cellar

[45cellar]

Just out of interest Roger

Do you have stock copies of 'Real Jive Guy' - Dejah Ahres ?

Only ever seen yellow promos of both Vocal & Inst versions

Best

M.

Hi Mark

I have the Yellow DEMO of the Instrumental Mate.

[Russoul1]

Thanks Jim

All four together.

Look nice don't they.

they look awesome, would be interesting to know or see the full set of another!

does anyone have a scan of a company sleeve?

russ

[45cellar]

they look awesome, would be interesting to know or see the full set of another!

does anyone have a scan of a company sleeve?

russ

Hi Russ

I don't think that I have, but will have a look through my Verve Stuff.

[Prophonics 2029]

I am sure that the yellow is the black issue and the light blue is the blue issue, most I have seen many copies of either with exception to the high keys only.

I started out with demos but have moved on to blue issues not to keen on the black issue.

Edited January 19, 2008 by Prophonics 2029

[Cheltsoulnights]

I am sure that the yellow is the black issue and the light blue is the blue issue, most I have seen many copies of either with exception to the high keys only.

I started out with demos but have moved on to blue issues not to keen on the black issue.

I collect the black issues

I believe they are from the nashville end and are therefore much tougher to locate

yellow demos? maybe same story

[45cellar]

Got Tommy Yates - Darling Something's Gotta Give on a red Verve label. Can't remember if it's an issue or a demo though.

never seen a red one, is it a us press? interesting have got pat thomas on a black issue and yellow demo never seen it on blue format

does the colour format/formats come from the year the 45 is pressed ie early 60s later 60s?

russ

Hi

I Won this one Last Night for a couple of Dollars, first Red Verve DEMO that I've seen.

Edited February 22, 2008 by 45cellar