Russoul1 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 hi all, just been spinning a few tunes at home realising over the years how many verve 45s ive amassed mainly light blue demos. it got me thinking knowing that there are black issues, dark blue issues, yellow demos, light blue demos which is the most collectable format? does it depend on the 45? were demos mainly light blue? are issues mainly dark blue? why dont you see so many black issues, yellow demos? any info and input would be interesting. regards russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andyf Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Got Tommy Yates - Darling Something's Gotta Give on a red Verve label. Can't remember if it's an issue or a demo though. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russoul1 Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Got Tommy Yates - Darling Something's Gotta Give on a red Verve label. Can't remember if it's an issue or a demo though. never seen a red one, is it a us press? interesting have got pat thomas on a black issue and yellow demo never seen it on blue format does the colour format/formats come from the year the 45 is pressed ie early 60s later 60s? russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny Mack Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Don't come much rarer than this blue issue ! hi all, just been spinning a few tunes at home realising over the years how many verve 45s ive amassed mainly light blue demos. it got me thinking knowing that there are black issues, dark blue issues, yellow demos, light blue demos which is the most collectable format? does it depend on the 45? were demos mainly light blue? are issues mainly dark blue? why dont you see so many black issues, yellow demos? any info and input would be interesting. regards russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russoul1 Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) Don't come much rarer than this blue issue !nice one john, got light blue demo one thought the black issue was harder? or even the yellow one. perfect example why do some 45s come in all these formats? and some dont? Edited January 18, 2008 by russoul1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Russ I may have this on issue and demo, do you want my yellow demo foc? https://www.soulclub.org/stream/Susan_Rafey...urts_So_Bad.ram Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest miff Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Ive got a red Demo of Howard Tate "Stop" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russoul1 Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Russ I may have this on issue and demo, do you want my yellow demo foc? https://www.soulclub.org/stream/Susan_Rafey...urts_So_Bad.ramthats very kind of you paul, is it because i kept to my word and handed you back that £20, maybe because im a posh supporter, maybe you like me! lol either way ill take it thanks! regards russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russoul1 Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Ive got a red Demo of Howard Tate "Stop"ok so now red demos come into the thread now! amazing another question thats been bugging me do verve have a company sleeve? or are they mgm? russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 thats very kind of you paul, is it because i kept to my word and handed you back that £20, maybe because im a posh supporter, maybe you like me! lol either way ill take it thanks! regards russ nah. I just don't like the crock of early Wigan shyte these days... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 nice one john, got light blue demo one thought the black issue was harder? or even the yellow one. perfect example why do some 45s come in all these formats? and some dont? Light blue demo, is the demo of the dark blue issue. Yellow demo, is the demo of the black issue. I have read/heard that the Yellowdemo/Black issue copies where the Jazz series for Verve, anyone know for sure? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) Don't come much rarer than this blue issue ! Hi John Nice One Mate That is Rare on Blue Stock Copy. Always expected it to exist, as I have the Light Blue DEMO However, I hadn't seen a Blue Stock Copy until recently on Manships, and now your copy. I also have the Black Label Stock Copy & have seen the Yellow DEMO. Edited January 18, 2008 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) Light blue demo, is the demo of the dark blue issue. Yellow demo, is the demo of the black issue. I have read/heard that the Yellowdemo/Black issue copies where the Jazz series for Verve, anyone know for sure? That is an Interesting Theory Mate. I have often wondered about the different colour Labels for Verve. With the two Stock copies and the Yellow DEMO being so RARE & the Light Blue DEMO not so Easy either. I couldn't find the reason for the two released designs for this High Keys release. Couldn't see a re-issue scenario as the record doesn't appear to have been successful enough at the time. (i.e. where are all the copies today)Wondered if a change of Label Design happened at the time of release and this record was caught up in the transition.Different Pressing Plants.Different CoastI for one am willing to absorb the "Jazz Series" Theory as a possibility until proven otherwise. Does tick a few boxes for me. With the Label name crossing the Pond to the U.K. I find it strange that we still know so little about certain aspects of it's U.S. production. Edited January 19, 2008 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Djr Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I have read/heard that the Yellowdemo/Black issue copies where the Jazz series for Verve, anyone know for sure? I can't say for sure, but I have a number of jazz 45s on this label, and they are all either yellow demos or black stock copies. I know this topic is concerned specifically with Verve 45s, but are there any soul LPs that were ever released on this label? Just curious, as I have never come across any. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Neilb Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Hi I collect the verve stock copies. Two that I have never seen are the Youngblood Smith and Pal & the Prophets.Anyone ever seen issues of these? Neil Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Larsc Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 another question thats been bugging me do verve have a company sleeve? or are they mgm? russ I have a 70's verve company sleeve, and I think I've seen an earlier one. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 That is an Interesting Theory Mate. I have often wondered about the different colour Labels for Verve. With the two Stock copies and the Yellow DEMO being so RARE & the Light Blue DEMO not so Easy either. I couldn't find the reason for the two released designs for this High Keys release. Couldn't see a re-issue scenario as the record doesn't appear to have been successful enough at the time. (i.e. where are all the copies today)Wondered if a change of Label Design happened at the time of release and this record was caught up in the transition.Different Pressing Plants.Different CoastI for one am willing to absorb the "Jazz Series" Theory as a possibility until proven otherwise. Does tick a few boxes for me. With the Label name crossing the Pond to the U.K. I find it strange that we still know so little about certain aspects of it's U.S. production. Just out of interest Roger Do you have stock copies of 'Real Jive Guy' - Dejah Ahres ? Only ever seen yellow promos of both Vocal & Inst versions Best M. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 I can't say for sure, but I have a number of jazz 45s on this label, and they are all either yellow demos or black stock copies. I know this topic is concerned specifically with Verve 45s, but are there any soul LPs that were ever released on this label? Just curious, as I have never come across any. Without getting into the debate of whether or not the Righteous Brothers were Soul artists, they definately had LPs released on the Verve label. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 oh, and Howard Tate as well... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim G Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Yellow Demo of the High Keys Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 (edited) Don't come much rarer than this blue issue ! Hi John Nice One Mate That is Rare on Blue Stock Copy. Always expected it to exist, as I have the Light Blue DEMO However, I hadn't seen a Blue Stock Copy until recently on Manships, and now your copy. I also have the Black Label Stock Copy & have seen the Yellow DEMO.Yellow Demo of the High Keys Thanks Jim All four together. Look nice don't they. Edited January 19, 2008 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Just out of interest Roger Do you have stock copies of 'Real Jive Guy' - Dejah Ahres ? Only ever seen yellow promos of both Vocal & Inst versions Best M. Hi Mark I have the Yellow DEMO of the Instrumental Mate. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russoul1 Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 Thanks Jim All four together. Look nice don't they.they look awesome, would be interesting to know or see the full set of another! does anyone have a scan of a company sleeve? russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 they look awesome, would be interesting to know or see the full set of another! does anyone have a scan of a company sleeve? russ Hi Russ I don't think that I have, but will have a look through my Verve Stuff. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 (edited) I am sure that the yellow is the black issue and the light blue is the blue issue, most I have seen many copies of either with exception to the high keys only. I started out with demos but have moved on to blue issues not to keen on the black issue. Edited January 19, 2008 by Prophonics 2029 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cheltsoulnights Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I am sure that the yellow is the black issue and the light blue is the blue issue, most I have seen many copies of either with exception to the high keys only. I started out with demos but have moved on to blue issues not to keen on the black issue. I collect the black issues I believe they are from the nashville end and are therefore much tougher to locate yellow demos? maybe same story Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 (edited) Got Tommy Yates - Darling Something's Gotta Give on a red Verve label. Can't remember if it's an issue or a demo though. never seen a red one, is it a us press? interesting have got pat thomas on a black issue and yellow demo never seen it on blue format does the colour format/formats come from the year the 45 is pressed ie early 60s later 60s? russ Hi I Won this one Last Night for a couple of Dollars, first Red Verve DEMO that I've seen. Edited February 22, 2008 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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