Sebastian Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) I just had a look at the latest additions to Manship's auction page and there's an art/picture sleeved copy of Mixed Emotions "Gold Of My Life" on EMI Germany... So it seems like there actually was some truth in Elijah Cole's ramblings regarding connections between EMI Europe and this tune. I personally had no idea about this german release up until a couple of minutes ago. Very intriguing that a record this obscure managed to get a major label release in Europe. Edited January 18, 2008 by Sebastian
Guest Gavin Page Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 I just had a look at the latest additions to Manship's auction page and there's an art/picture sleeved copy of Mixed Emotions "Gold Of My Life" on EMI Germany... So it seems like there actually was some truth in Elijah Cole's ramblings regarding connections between EMI Europe and this tune. I personally had no idea about this german release up until a couple of minutes ago. Very intriguing that a record this obscure managed to get a major label release in Europe. As well Seb This now opens the question just how many are out there And who were EMI aiming it at ?
Tolbert Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 a Souler from Hamburg just found one in a bargain box over here....
Tommy1 Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 a Souler from Hamburg just found one in a bargain box over here.... Was this the first copy discovered? Cos I've never seen or heard of this before
Martyn Pitt Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Yes but has it got the sound engineers name on, and did it come out before my original bootleg Dons tin hat and flak jacket.... Martyn
Jerry Hipkiss Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Yes but has it got the sound engineers name on, and did it come out before my original bootleg Dons tin hat and flak jacket.... Martyn Predictable, Martyn...but good...
Tolbert Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Was this the first copy discovered? Cos I've never seen or heard of this before I think so....never seen it before..... sadly it was not me ...although i'm regulary in this shop
Guest Gavin Page Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 I think so....never seen it before..... sadly it was not me ...although i'm regulary in this shop Ahhh, thank you ! So it was the Disco market.
Martyn Pitt Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Predictable, Martyn...but good... Hippo the other option was....I've had loads of them, gave them away to friends... , but who would believe that. Martyn
Jason S Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Surely taking into account Cole's protestations about EMI bootlegging it, it's a bootleg (?)
Sebastian Posted January 18, 2008 Author Posted January 18, 2008 Surely taking into account Cole's protestations about EMI bootlegging it, it's a bootleg (?) Highly unlikely in my opinion. Cole has probably just forgotten that he was paid for it, or wasn't satisfied with the deal he got. That's my thoughts on it at least.
Jason S Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Yeah...should have inserted the 'pinch of salt' emoticon in there. Wonder what the German public did with the rest of them!
Guest Gavin Page Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Yeah...should have inserted the 'pinch of salt' emoticon in there. Wonder what the German public did with the rest of them! What would be a ball park on the amount that hit the shops, on a release like this at the time ?
Tolbert Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Wonder what the German public did with the rest of them! ...they let it get moldy among James Last and Boney M. records...
Guest stromberg Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 This now opens the question just how many are out there And who were EMI aiming it at ?
Steve G Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Surely taking into account Cole's protestations about EMI bootlegging it, it's a bootleg (?) Yeah but Jason consider all his ramblings and allegations, I don't think we can take him too seriously
Guest markus gora Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 I think so....never seen it before..... sadly it was not me ...although i'm regulary in this shop a friend of mine found this copy...the record was never released & withdrawn (reference for this is the emi catalouge)...let's see how many more copies could be found...
Marc Forrest Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Well, I know where I will be found at in 2 hrs time
Gasher Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 I;ll take one from you Masc if you find a couple. gasher Well, I know where I will be found at in 2 hrs time
Guest Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 a friend of mine found this copy...the record was never released & withdrawn (reference for this is the emi catalouge)...let's see how many more copies could be found... Can you confirm that it was "withdrawn" I wouldn't mention it in the write-up unless it's a proven fact. Can you let me know. PM me if you want. John
Guest Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) What would be a ball park on the amount that hit the shops, on a release like this at the time ? Gavin, It was pressed in 33 years ago.. ballpark figure? your'e joking, I know you are? Then again, I can imagine the German Record store manager saying "Ah I've been waiting for this obscure Richmond, California boogie tune to get issued in The Fatherland, the disco-kids-of-Berlin, will be lined-up outside my door tomorrow wanting to buy copies, I must order a box or two now, to meet demand!" John Edited January 18, 2008 by john manship
Guest Gavin Page Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Gavin, It was pressed in 33 years ago.. ballpark figure? your'e joking, I know you are? Then again, I can imagine the German Record store manager saying "Ah I've been waiting for this obscure Richmond, California boogie tune to get issued in The Fatherland, the disco-kids-of-Berlin, will be lined-up outside my door tomorrow wanting to buy copies, I must order a box or two now, to meet demand!" John John, what I was getting at was, at that time how many copies would a Major like EMI press of a 45 like this ?
Guest Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) John, what I was getting at was, at that time how many copies would a Major like EMI press of a 45 like this ? Surely the question is, not how many were pressed, but how many left the EMI building. Many major EMI presses in all countires are incredibly rare, just look @ some UK Statesides.. Any un-ordered leftovers, would hit the crusher to make another record. I think we can all say we've not had a copy before..and after 33 years the initial run is irrelevent but you would think @ least 200.. otherwise it would be pointless even making the master or the sleeve. How many German Record shops ordered could be zero. Edited January 18, 2008 by john manship
Guest Gavin Page Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Surely the question is, not how many were pressed, but how many left the EMI building. Many major EMI presses in all countires are incredibly rare, just look @ some UK Statesides.. Any un-ordered leftovers, would hit the crusher to make another record. I think we can all say we've not had a copy before..and after 33 years the initial run is erelevent but you would think @ least 200.. otherwise it would be pointless even making the master or the sleeve. How many German Record shops ordered could be zero. John, you have answerd my next qustions as well here thank you. I am not doubting it is a rare record. Just a genuine interest in the workings of the industry at that time and the thinking behind it, thats all.
Tommy1 Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Well, I know where I will be found at in 2 hrs time get one for me too Marc, I know where you can find it...
Tommy1 Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Then again, I can imagine the German Record store manager saying "Ah I've been waiting for this obscure Richmond, California boogie tune to get issued in The Fatherland, the disco-kids-of-Berlin, will be lined-up outside my door tomorrow wanting to buy copies, I must order a box or two now, to meet demand!" Who brought this obscure record to Germany in the first place? And then convinced EMI that this was perfect for the "super disco sound" series along with all the other super disco sounds of 1975?
Guest markus gora Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 I just had a look at the latest additions to Manship's auction page and there's an art/picture sleeved copy of Mixed Emotions "Gold Of My Life" on EMI Germany... So it seems like there actually was some truth in Elijah Cole's ramblings regarding connections between EMI Europe and this tune. I personally had no idea about this german release up until a couple of minutes ago. Very intriguing that a record this obscure managed to get a major label release in Europe. more facts: this is not emi germany / see at the labeldistribution sabam is emi-benelux so netherlands or perhaps belgium...& it's a better/punchier mix
Tommy1 Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 ..& it's a better/punchier mix What!? you're just trying to sell it Where did they get this mix from Do you have a sound file?
sepia Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 IM AMAZED HOW MANY EUROPEAN COPYS OFF RARE SOUL RECORDS HAVE TURNED UP OVER,SAY THE LAST 7/8 YEARS. ONES THAT YOU DIDNT EXPECT. SUPPOSE ITS DOWN TO THEM TURNING UP ON EBAY. YEARS AGO THERE JUST SEEMED TO BE THE ODD EUROPEAN OUTING. DEALERS GOING TO THE STATES LOOKING,NOT KNOWING THE REWARDS CLOSER TO HOME. IS THERE A FRANK WILSON EUROPEAN OUT THERE
Tommy1 Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 FRANK WILSON EUROPEAN OUT THERE We've been playing a Norwegian issue for years
soulAdequateNP Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 Who brought this obscure record to Germany in the first place? And then convinced EMI that this was perfect for the "super disco sound" series along with all the other super disco sounds of 1975? Possibly one of the group had a relative in the US forces who was posted to NATO Germany at the time and passed the word out about it?
Sebastian Posted January 18, 2008 Author Posted January 18, 2008 It wouldn't surprise me if this Benelux release was the result of a deal struck between Elijah Cole and EMI at the yearly MIDEM festival. That is, if Cole ever attended any of the MIDEM festivals ofcourse... That's the thing which happened with for example that obscure Swamp Dogg produced Maurice McCormick 45 on Atomic Art. It's hard to find on its original US label, but was issued on both german and swedish major labels due to a leasing deal done at one of the MIDEM festivals in Cannes.
Gasher Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 YEAH ITS FRONK WEELZONA DOA IA LUVA YOUA ZOLA......ITALIAN COPY THE GASHER IM AMAZED HOW MANY EUROPEAN COPYS OFF RARE SOUL RECORDS HAVE TURNED UP OVER,SAY THE LAST 7/8 YEARS. ONES THAT YOU DIDNT EXPECT. SUPPOSE ITS DOWN TO THEM TURNING UP ON EBAY. YEARS AGO THERE JUST SEEMED TO BE THE ODD EUROPEAN OUTING. DEALERS GOING TO THE STATES LOOKING,NOT KNOWING THE REWARDS CLOSER TO HOME. IS THERE A FRANK WILSON EUROPEAN OUT THERE
Guest Gavin Page Posted January 19, 2008 Posted January 19, 2008 YEAH ITS FRONK WEELZONA DOA IA LUVA YOUA ZOLA......ITALIAN COPY THE GASHER
Guest Posted January 19, 2008 Posted January 19, 2008 Yeah but Jason consider all his ramblings and allegations, I don't think we can take him too seriously I found this one in hamburg and sent it to manship. it's surely no boot and definately not italian because it has "SABAM" on the label. so it must be from benelux (dutch or belgium - see attachment). an old european emi-group release catalog i've seen in a record shop says "not released" for this special cat.-no. the record's out of a source of used condition publisher archive near hamburg.
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