Some people are just determined to ensure they have no friends.

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Godz

Edited March 22, 200520 yr by Godzilla

"been my thinking all along.

Ever since I went to a night in Brum in the early 80s and it kicked off, with a load of them coming upstairs into 'our' room and taking the michael."

Similar thing happened at Reading lates 70s early 80s

Strange they've got no real club scene left now......

Edited March 22, 200520 yr by Soulsmith

  JTrouble said:

And now they are coming into 'your' clubs and taking the micheal! ha ha. What ever next? 

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Fly by nights. Here today, gone over to beads and Janis Joplin tomorrow.

  Gary1 said:

Probably, but not me, missus calls me a pr*ck so many times, immature pr*ck, selfish pr*ck, thoughtless pr*ck, empty headed pr*ck the list is countless. But its when she calls me a thick pr*ck that its a compliment, know what i mean, maybe......maybe not

link

Same here,only women though is it we save our worst insults for inabitants of venus ,supose they should learn to drive Ken

  JTrouble said:

And now they are coming into 'your' clubs and taking the micheal! ha ha. What ever next? 

link

yeah, and now we're stealing their records to play in our clubs

Excuse me but aren't a few of you getting the Jazz Funk/Caister scene mixed up with Deep Funk? One was a massive commercial phenomena the other is just James Mud and his mate ( ok and 16 others )

Trouty

  Soulsmith said:

"been my thinking all along.

Ever since I went to a night in Brum in the early 80s and it kicked off, with a load of them coming upstairs into 'our' room and taking the michael."

Similar thing happened at Reading lates 70s early 80s

Strange they've got no real club scene left now......

link

I couldnt work out why they had the hump with us. Was it because we were playing records ages before they heard them??

or because we didnt do they funk predecessor of line dancing?

Did anyone ever watch that Sound Of Underground London? I think Eddie Pillar may have helped. They had footage of some of the old Jazz Funk alldayers at some place in Essex. Where groups of people all dressed in the same t-shirts danced in formation. Oh how wild they were

  woolie mark said:

yeah, and now we're stealing their records to play in our clubs

link

Very true Mark but it's a two way thing

Edited March 22, 200520 yr by Johnny One Trout

  Johnny One Trout said:

Excuse me but aren't a few of you getting the Jazz Funk/Caister scene mixed up with Deep Funk? One was a massive commercial phenomena the other is just James Mud and his mate ( ok and 16 others )

Trouty

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At Caister they all wore dippy shirts, danced strangely, and listened to awful music.

I went to Deep funk once for 3 hours.

Seemed to last almost as long as a weekender, they all danced strangely (Over by the bar, even when the dancefloor was empty - could this be because they wanted to show the bar flys their latest moves?),

the music was absolutely the worst I have ever heard in a club, (I used to roadie for bands that played in some terrible clubs too)

And they nearly all wore hawaiian shirts, and jeans with turnups, so much so that we christened them Mini Keb, Mini Keb 2, Mini Keb 3.... Trickster...Mini Keb 55...etc

Edited March 22, 200520 yr by in town Mikey

  in town Mikey said:

we christened them Mini Keb, Mini Keb 2, Mini Keb 3.... Trickster...Mini Keb 55...etc

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yes, we do that too

  in town Mikey said:

we christened them Mini Keb, etc

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funniet thing is when they try to dance like him....have you seen that?

  JTrouble said:

The only thing that has shocked me on this thread is the constant schlaging off of my shirts.

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What you need James is a nice checked Ben Sherman Button Down, plus a pair of 501's, moustache, etc., etc.,

I'm hardly a spokesperson for the 'funk scene', but - as Johnny suggests, I think many of you are mixing up the jazzfunk geezers of Caister and before with people listening to funk music now. As someone who caught the tail end of rare groove I can tell you that there are very different people listening to the music than there were back then. Many people into funk now are pretty young (relatively speaking) and so you're not really talking about 40 somethings jigging about in their jellies.

As such, it is still a realtively new scene compared with Northern. Its also still pretty underground. Yes there are very few clubs - but this was also the case when Northern first started up (though the proliferation of bars in town centres may work against the development of as large a scene now). Decent clubs take a long time to build, but they are there - yes there's Deepfunk in London, but this isnt the only club. For example there's Fryer's Motherfunk club up in Scotland or Ben's massive club in Wales - all pulling large numbers of punters. There is also a collecting and digging ethic, which is dedicated enough for many people to pay Northern Soul prices for their 45s (often before their ultimate rarity is known!)

The bizarre truth is that there is also a degree of crossover musically between the two scenes. Many tracks big on the soul scene now began on the funk scene (Hamilton Movement, Trace of Smoke, King Earnest etc) and vice versa (Cookie Scott, for example).

So, before everyone starts getting their (baggy) pants in a knot about the funk 'scene', our parochiality, lack of girls and small numbers, perhaps you should a) take a look at yourselves next time you're at a half empty venue listening to the same old oldies and give some credit to a genuinely upcoming scene with the right ethic, innovative tunes and is struggling against the man to establish underground sounds.

  adam leaver said:

give some credit to a genuinely upcoming scene with the right ethic, innovative tunes and is struggling against the man to establish underground sounds.

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I like the cut of your jib Sir

  alison said:

I like the cut of your jib Sir 

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Nah he's just a dodgey old Manc with a chip

Actually a good point well put i thought Adam

funk, soul, disco, boogie.....all the same to me

thing is, wots wrong with just going out dancing to some good choonz and having fun?

  alison said:

I like the cut of your jib Sir 

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Its not up and coming at all. How can it be? I was going to lots of funk nights in the early 90's all over the place and the scene was quite vibrant. However this was on the back of Acid Jazz, UK Hop Hop, chart funk like Jamiroquai and the like. The scene has never been so quiet. There were 3 or 4 events per weekend in Sheffield alone back then. Nowadays there is virtually nothing all year.

Also, no one criticised the funk scene until the twaddle from James Trouble was revealed.

Shane

  woolie mark said:

funk, soul, disco, boogie.....all the same to me

thing is, wots wrong with just going out dancing to some good choonz and having fun?

link

Don't agree with your first line, it's not all the same, we all have our preferances,

but definately agree with the second!!!

  woolie mark said:

funk, soul, disco, boogie

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Everybody talk about pop music...talk about..

is it stuck in yer head yet?? Rolf

  woolie mark said:

funk, soul, disco, boogie.....all the same to me

thing is, wots wrong with just going out dancing to some good choonz and having fun?

link

I cant dance :dance: Ken

  ShaneH said:

Its not up and coming at all. How can it be? I was going to lots of funk nights in the early 90's all over the place and the scene was quite vibrant. However this was on the back of Acid Jazz, UK Hop Hop, chart funk like Jamiroquai and the like. The scene has never been so quiet. There were 3 or 4 events per weekend in Sheffield alone back then. Nowadays there is virtually nothing all year.

Also, no one criticised the funk scene until the twaddle from James Trouble was revealed.

Shane

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There's 'funk', and there's 'deepfunk'. In the early 90s the DJs didn't have the records we have now. The music was weak, and there was no ethic. Hence Jamiroquai etc being played. Now the deepfunk scene is looking for new sounds all the time and there is an uncompromising attitude to quality. A truely innovative and up and coming scene with very little relation to acid jazz and all that jazz at all.

I think most 'soulies' would be surprised by what many of top funk collectors can pull out and play. But as has been pointed out before, at the moment most of the innovation is going on online and not in clubs.

  ShaneH said:

Also, no one criticised the funk scene until the twaddle from James Trouble was revealed.

link

Noice norman, down boy!

  JTrouble said:

There's 'funk', and there's 'deepfunk'. In the early 90s the DJs didn't have the records we have now. The music was weak, and there was no ethic. Hence Jamiroquai etc being played. Now the deepfunk scene is looking for new sounds all the time and there is an uncompromising attitude to quality. A truely innovative and up and coming scene with very little relation to acid jazz and all that jazz at all.

I think most 'soulies' would be surprised by what many of top funk collectors can pull out and play. But as has been pointed out before, at the moment most of the innovation is going on online and not in clubs.

link

fair enough James. I accept you are in touch with things however I think it would be a good idea for you to post up the current 'hot' sounds. I would give them a listen for deffo.

By the way has anyone been onto the funk forum to rattle their cages yet?

James, when is the best time to catch someone on there mate?

Its only a bit of fun and not a swear word to be seen!

Shane

  chrissieo said:

Don't agree with your first line, it's not all the same, we all have our preferances

link

ok, i'll come back on that......wot about the sharon jones tune that trickster played at the last 100club (filled the floor btw) that me and jt were laughin about on here earlier in the week? funk, jazz, soul, r'n'b? actually, it's all of those things

these categories are all artificial and contrived

would be more grown-up to focus on the things we have in common (but sayin that, i hate them depressing "beat ballads" that were popular on the northern scene a while back )

  Gary1 said:

Probably, but not me, missus calls me a pr*ck so many times, immature pr*ck, selfish pr*ck, thoughtless pr*ck, empty headed pr*ck the list is countless. But its when she calls me a thick pr*ck that its a compliment, know what i mean, maybe......maybe not

link

Think we can assume you are a prick then mate

Blimey!!!

Just got back and decided to have a look if anybody had replied to my post and found all this stuff

Think I'd better make my point clear. The title of this post was supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek and I knew JT would not be able to resist steaming in. He's got broad shoulders though and I think this thread shows he can take it as well as give it out.

To be honest I'm often amused at James' posts but think he does go off a bit half cocked sometimes - and I'd be a liar if I didn't say that I thought his message on the funk45 message board struck me as a bit of an attempt to ingratiate himself with his critics on there by having a pop at an easy stereotypical target (ie all Northern Soul collectors are narrow minded and unsophisticated)

Thing is I'm now faced with people slagging off the funk scene - which is the last thing I wanted.

What do you think I was doing on that board in the first place?

Can we have nice cuddly peace back now please

Godz

  woolie mark said:

(but sayin that, i hate them depressing "beat ballads" that were popular on the northern scene a while back )

link

Surely you mean 'Show Tunes' Mark ?

  Dave said:

Think we can assume you are a prick then mate  

link

:graynone:

And a big one at that

  BLADEFORLIFE said:

Surely you mean 'Show Tunes' Mark ?

link

  Godzilla said:

Blimey!!!

Just got back and decided to have a look if anybody had replied to my post and found all this stuff

Think I'd better make my point clear. The title of this post was supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek and I knew JT would not be able to resist steaming in. He's got broad shoulders though and I think this thread shows he can take it as well as give it out.

To be honest I'm often amused at James' posts but think he does go off a bit half cocked sometimes - and I'd be a liar if I didn't say that I thought his message on the funk45 message board struck me as a bit of an attempt to ingratiate himself with his critics on there by having a pop at an easy stereotypical target (ie all Northern Soul collectors are narrow minded and unsophisticated)

Thing is I'm now faced with people slagging off the funk scene - which is the last thing I wanted.

What do you think I was doing on that board in the first place?     

Can we have nice cuddly peace back now please

Godz

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CUDDLE

  adam leaver said:

I'm hardly a spokesperson for the 'funk scene', but - as Johnny suggests, I think many of you are mixing up the jazzfunk geezers of Caister and before with people listening to funk music now. As someone who caught the tail end of rare groove I can tell you that there are very different people listening to the music than there were back then. Many people into funk now are pretty young (relatively speaking) and so you're not really talking about 40 somethings jigging about in their jellies.

As such, it is still a realtively new scene compared with Northern. Its also still pretty underground. Yes there are very few clubs - but this was also the case when Northern first started up (though the proliferation of bars in town centres may work against the development of as large a scene now). Decent clubs take a long time to build, but they are there - yes there's Deepfunk in London, but this isnt the only club. For example there's Fryer's Motherfunk club up in Scotland or Ben's massive club in Wales - all pulling large numbers of punters. There is also a collecting and digging ethic, which is dedicated enough for many people to pay Northern Soul prices for their 45s (often before their ultimate rarity is known!)

The bizarre truth is that there is also a degree of crossover musically between the two scenes. Many tracks big on the soul scene now began on the funk scene (Hamilton Movement, Trace of Smoke, King Earnest etc) and vice versa (Cookie Scott, for example).

So, before everyone starts getting their (baggy) pants in a knot about the funk 'scene', our parochiality, lack of girls and small numbers, perhaps you should a) take a look at yourselves next time you're at a half empty venue listening to the same old oldies and give some credit to a genuinely upcoming scene with the right ethic, innovative tunes and is struggling against the man to establish underground sounds.

link

I thought this was a very good post

So good, in fact, that I'm not even going to get into an academic argument about who heard the Hamilton Movement first

  ShaneH said:

fair enough James. I accept you are in touch with things however I think it would be a good idea for you to post up the current 'hot' sounds. I would give them a listen for deffo.

By the way has anyone been onto the funk forum to rattle their cages yet? 

James, when is the best time to catch someone on there mate? 

Its only a bit of fun and not a swear word to be seen! 

Shane

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Don't do it Shane!

There's some rough boys on there.....you don't want to play with them!

James, can I copy that cd for Shane for the weekend..... if I leave off the two "Northern" tracks?

Dave

  Dave said:

I thought this was a very good post 

So good, in fact, that I'm not even going to get into an academic argument about who heard the Hamilton Movement first  

link

i heard it before you ya fekker

  Dave said:

There's some rough boys on there.....you don't want to play with them!

link

yeah.....they're from hawaii

  woolie mark said:

i heard it before you ya fekker

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Well, I'm not one to argue, sonny, but I'll just ask...."when?"

  Dave said:

Don't do it Shane!

There's some rough boys on there.....you don't want to play with them!

James, can I copy that cd for Shane for the weekend..... if I leave off the two "Northern" tracks?

Dave

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if you like. leave the northern bits on as well if you want, I'm not bothered (as long as you didn't get me pissed and got me to put my detroit acetate on there and i don't remember doing it).

  Dave said:

Don't do it Shane!

There's some rough boys on there.....you don't want to play with them!

James, can I copy that cd for Shane for the weekend..... if I leave off the two "Northern" tracks?

Dave

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one of my oldest mates Mike Parry is one of the infamous 17. He has filled me in on many goings on over the years.

Dave, going on your current form I half expect you to disagree with the above

see you at sheridans maybe mate.

Shane

  Dave said:

Well, I'm not one to argue, sonny, but I'll just ask...."when?"

link

1980.....caister soul weekender

  JTrouble said:

if you like. leave the northern bits on as well if you want, I'm not bothered (as long as you didn't get me pissed and got me to put my detroit acetate on there and i don't remember doing it).

link

do you mean that ian levine test pressing you peeled the label off james?

  JTrouble said:

if you like. leave the northern bits on as well if you want, I'm not bothered (as long as you didn't get me pissed and got me to put my detroit acetate on there and i don't remember doing it).

link

Me?

Get somebody pissed?

Heaven forbid.....what would Monsignor C say?

(there is a certain member of this board who was unable to remember any of the Thursday night drinking at Prestatyn)

And no, that isn't on there.

  ShaneH said:

I use pork pie jelly on my mullet. Gotta be a wigan pie though. 

Shane

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I find the sweat from my beer towel, and waist band of my trousers helps keep mine in place.

  ShaneH said:

one of my oldest mates Mike Parry is one of the infamous 17. He has filled me in on many goings on over the years.

Dave, going on your current form I half expect you to disagree with the above 

see you at sheridans maybe mate.

Shane

link

  Dave said:

(there is a certain member of this board who was unable to remember any of the Thursday night drinking at Prestatyn)   

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did we go to prestatyn?

I like chips, me. Aye up!

  Simon White said:

I like chips, me. Aye up!

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hear hear

most sensible post on here all day!

Man, I'm glad this topic came up. Doing the 100 Club flyer, I've been driving myself mad at how 'James Trouble' messed up my designers 'grid'.

'ADY

BUTCH

MICK

&

C*NT' now looks stunning in 228 point.

Cheers James.

All I've gotta do now is find someone to leech that other guest... 'Warren from Boogaloo' is a right ball-ache to fit....

Bitch fight anyone?

  JTrouble said:

Oh, and I don't mind an online scrap, so bring it on you normans!

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Us "normans" say Funk off you Cant

Regards Soulster22

  Supercorsa said:

What you need James is a nice checked Ben Sherman Button Down, plus a pair of 501's, moustache, etc., etc.,   

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=========

Sounds like you're spending too much time on the village people scene

  little-stevie said:

The only time Dave as seen a church is when he took the lead off the roof   

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Ha ha! Brings back some memories.

Edited March 23, 200520 yr by OutsideNow

  Mark Bicknell said:

Cover Up's have been part of the scene since the year dot often the practice of well read, well informed DJ's and collectors who know their subject inside out, it's all about keeping a tune exclusive to them for as long as they can

Big deal. Someone BUYS a record and gains cash and kudos on the back of the people who 'wrote/played on/published' the damn thing.

Keep the faith