Denbo Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 If I was going to sell one of my Alexander Pattens, which would fetch the most money, my UK copy or my US copy? Both are issues and both about the same condition, which is strong VG++ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
De-to Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 If I was going to sell one of my Alexander Pattens, which would fetch the most money, my UK copy or my US copy? Both are issues and both about the same condition, which is strong VG++for some strange reason i think the usa copy seems to be worth more, Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cheapsiderecords Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Where does the Canadian issue fit in with these? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Where does the Canadian issue fit in with these? Dunno? If we were going to put prices on these, how much for; UK copy US copy Canadian copy All in say VG++ condition Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Dunno? If we were going to put prices on these, how much for; UK copy US copy Canadian copy All in say VG++ condition Clever boot on the US copy as well isn't there? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Clever boot on the US copy as well isn't there? Is there? How can you tell? What tell-tale signs are there? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rupert Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Clever boot on the US copy as well isn't there? yes steve there is. the song title should be in one line. also a tiny daisy matrix in the dead wax. hope that helps. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 yes steve there is. the song title should be in one line. also a tiny daisy matrix in the dead wax. hope that helps. the song title should be in one line You sure about this as I've had my import for more than 30 years and the title is on two lines. Not sure about the daisy though, I'll check when I get home. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Also the spelling of the artist name is different ie patton/patten very clever as with jerry cook i hurt on the other side, correct about the dasy stamp though Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) Also the spelling of the artist name is different ie patton/patten very clever as with jerry cook i hurt on the other side, correct about the dasy stamp though Patten being the original and Patton being the boot? Correct? Can somebody throw up a scan of the boot with Patton? Still don't believe the proposition that the title should be on one line for it to be an original. Can somebody sustantiate this with proof / evidence? Edited January 10, 2008 by denbo Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Patten being the original and Patton being the boot? Correct? NO OTHER WAY ROUND MATEY, LOOK FOR THE DASIE STAMP IN THE DEADWAX IF NOT SURE JUST CHECKED THE BOOKS FOR YOU THATS THE INFO THERE GIVING OUT ANYWAY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 NO OTHER WAY ROUND MATEY, LOOK FOR THE DASIE STAMP IN THE DEADWAX IF NOT SURE JUST CHECKED THE BOOKS FOR YOU THATS THE INFO THERE GIVING OUT ANYWAY Can somebody throw up a scan of the boot with Patton? Still don't believe the proposition that the title should be on one line for it to be an original. Can somebody sustantiate this with proof / evidence? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rupert Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Can somebody throw up a scan of the boot with Patton? Still don't believe the proposition that the title should be on one line for it to be an original. Can somebody sustantiate this with proof / evidence? got me info from john manship's boot guide. . and that what it say's mate all on one line. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 YEH got my info from that book aswell, like i said very clever these and duped a lot of people when they first appeared along with jerry cook, think they used the original company blank labels aswell allways look for daisy stamp if not sure Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 YEH got my info from that book aswell, like i said very clever these and duped a lot of people when they first appeared along with jerry cook, think they used the original company blank labels aswell allways look for daisy stamp if not sure Hang on, correct me if I'm wrong. The original as the title on one line with Patten not Patton c/w a daisy in the runout groove? A boot would therefore have the title on two lines with Patton not Patten without a daisy in the runout groove? What if I've got one with the title on two lines and Patten not Patton without a daisy in the runout groove? Or, better still, one with the title on two lines and Patten not Pattan c/w a daisy in the runout groove? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Hang on, correct me if I'm wrong. The original as the title on one line with Patten not Patton c/w a daisy in the runout groove? A boot would therefore have the title on two lines with Patton not Patten without a daisy in the runout groove? What if I've got one with the title on two lines and Patten not Patton without a daisy in the runout groove? Or, better still, one with the title on two lines and Patten not Pattan c/w a daisy in the runout groove? Dunno about that mate can only give you info avalable and as i understood it nearly bought a boot myself many years ago luckily my mate interviened and stopped me, according to jm`s price guide and i quote ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMETIME-CAPITOL 5677 [TITLE ON ONE LINE WITH DAISY STAMP] ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMTIME-CAPITOL5677 [TITLE ON TWO LINES WITH "AIM" STAMP] THINK THE KEY IS IN THE ARTIST SPELLING AND THE DEADWAX STAMPS HOPE THIS HELPS Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Original USA Reads. A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXADER PATTEN Bootleg USA Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN or PATTON Original Canadian Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN Hope this helps. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Original USA Reads. A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXADER PATTEN Bootleg USA Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN or PATTON Original Canadian Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN Hope this helps. And of course as ive said check your deadwax stamps as my last reply-good luck Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Dunno about that mate can only give you info avalable and as i understood it nearly bought a boot myself many years ago luckily my mate interviened and stopped me, according to jm`s price guide and i quote ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMETIME-CAPITOL 5677 [TITLE ON ONE LINE WITH DAISY STAMP] ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMTIME-CAPITOL5677 [TITLE ON TWO LINES WITH "AIM" STAMP] THINK THE KEY IS IN THE ARTIST SPELLING AND THE DEADWAX STAMPS HOPE THIS HELPS Should that be Patton? Or Patten? Patten is the correct spelling, yes? That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp. What does the AIM mean? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
JOE TORQUAY Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 HI, THIS IS THE RE-ISSUE THE I'VE GOT, NO DAISY ON THIS ONE, JOE. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Should that be Patton? Or Patten? Patten is the correct spelling, yes? That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp. What does the AIM mean? According to jm`s book wich i`m reading patton has also been booted without the AIM stamp, havn`t got the bootlegg guide to hand but there is a big write up in there about maybe a quick pm to john manship may clear this up for you Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Rimmer Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Original USA Reads. A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXADER PATTEN Bootleg USA Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN or PATTON Original Canadian Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN Hope this helps. Really ? Or is this a spelling mistake on your part ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Really ? Or is this a spelling mistake on your part ? Agreed dave i was thinking along the same lines as you, maybe wrong though Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 According to jm`s book wich i`m reading patton has also been booted without the AIM stamp, havn`t got the bootlegg guide to hand but there is a big write up in there about maybe a quick pm to john manship may clear this up for you Does the book spell the artist as Patton or Patten? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Does the book spell the artist as Patton or Patten? PATTON mate Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Should that be Patton? Or Patten? Patten is the correct spelling, yes? That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp. What does the AIM mean? It's PATTON on my UK demo. I think it reads PATTEN on both US Original and US Boot (from memory). Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 It's PATTON on my UK demo. I think it reads PATTEN on both US Original and US Boot (from memory). Sean I seem to recall that even the Capitol original was mis spelt... and the Capitol Boot followed suit. The UK "Soul Sounds" boot reads PATTON - probably because the detail was copied from the UK Capitol copy. To complicate matters further, his US Duo Disc 45 reads PATTON. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 I seem to recall that even the Capitol original was mis spelt... and the Capitol Boot followed suit. The UK "Soul Sounds" boot reads PATTON - probably because the detail was copied from the UK Capitol copy. To complicate matters further, his US Duo Disc 45 reads PATTON. Aaaarrrrrrrgh!!!!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Aaaarrrrrrrgh!!!!!! Have pm`d john manship to ask if he can clear this up Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sunnysoul Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Easily the rarest issue of Alexander Patton is its appearance on a 12" LP sampler (playing at 33rpm) Capitol issued to radio stations in the US in 1966, of which I am the proud owner No argument about legitimacy on these LP's ! They issued these various artists LP's periodically through the mid 60's. Soul tracks mixed with country pop and rock artists. Complete versions of the songs with no editing whatsoever and sound reproduction far better than even the original issue 45's !!! I have others with Bobby Paris "I Walked Away" , one with Patrice Holloway "Stolen Hours" , another with HB Barnum's "Heartbreaker" and one with the Checkmates "Kissin Her and Cryin for You" , and Frank Polk "Tryin To Keep Up With The Joneses" !!!!! Who'd have thought these tracks would appeared in 12" form at their time of issue in the 60's and a major label like Capitol did in fact try to break these tracks back then. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Aaaarrrrrrrgh!!!!!! Sorry about that Denbo but it was important that you knew about this! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Have pm`d john manship to ask if he can clear this up Good stuff. Let me know what transpires. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Good stuff. Let me know what transpires. By the way garnett mimms lp came out on two labels, with mispelt credits Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 By the way garnett mimms lp came out on two labels, with mispelt credits You're kiddin' right? If not, do you mean the UK label release? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 You're kiddin' right? If not, do you mean the UK label release? Yeh only kidding matey, just trying to ease your mind a bit, these things do your head in when you can`t get a solution Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Yeh only kidding matey, just trying to ease your mind a bit, these things do your head in when you can`t get a solution It's no bloody wonder I used to collect UK labels ONLY. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 It's no bloody wonder I used to collect UK labels ONLY. Know what you mean mate, best one ever was i once asked about john & the wierdest bootleggs on TIE RECORDS different widths of run out grooves only by millimeters and other stuff blew my head to bits Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I seem to recall that even the Capitol original was mis spelt... and the Capitol Boot followed suit. The UK "Soul Sounds" boot reads PATTON - probably because the detail was copied from the UK Capitol copy. To complicate matters further, his US Duo Disc 45 reads PATTON. Great record tho`,part of my miss-spelt youth Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Great record tho`,part of my miss-spelt youth OOOOOH! NICE ONE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sheep Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 If I was going to sell one of my Alexander Pattens, which would fetch the most money, my UK copy or my US copy? Both are issues and both about the same condition, which is strong VG++ easy one this the Uk copy is far rarer than the US copy, especially the stock issue. SHEEP Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 easy one this the Uk copy is far rarer than the US copy, especially the stock issue. SHEEP Yep!..........UK Demo`s are very scarce but the issues are dog rare! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
joe lakin Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Yep!..........UK Demo`s are very scarce but the issues are dog rare! DEAD RIGHT Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 easy one this the Uk copy is far rarer than the US copy, especially the stock issue. SHEEP UK Copy (issue) for Sale here! Yet another spelling! https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...c=63693&hl= Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest veep1296 Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 For your info, His promo pics spell it Patton and he signs as this. (LA 2004 ) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1933...mp;id=578878947 Regards David ps i was gonna move my UK issue on and keep UK DJ? May have to rethink!? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Patten is the correct spelling, yes? That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp. What does the AIM mean? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Patten is the correct spelling, yes? That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp. What does the AIM mean? The West coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the DAISY stamp, has the TITLE written across in ONE LINE. The East coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the TRIANGLE AIM stamp, has the TITLE written across in TWO LINES. The clever BOOTLEG Capitol copied the original with the titile in two lines, but DOES NOT have the Triangle Aim stamp. All the above are by Alexander Patten. The UK original release mispelled his name and released it as Alexander Patton. Cant beleive this is still goin`on,so easy whats to understand as above,but the Pattern copy must be Yarkshire pressin`wouldnt mind seein`a scan of that. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Patten is the correct spelling, yes? The West coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the DAISY stamp, has the TITLE written across in ONE LINE. The East coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the TRIANGLE AIM stamp, has the TITLE written across in TWO LINES. The clever BOOTLEG Capitol copied the original with the titile in two lines, but DOES NOT have the Triangle Aim stamp. All the above are by Alexander Patten. The UK original release mispelled his name and released it as Alexander Patton. One thing that has puzzled me is that I have never seen a DEMO copy, does one exist? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Cant beleive this is still goin`on,so easy whats to understand as above,but the Pattern copy must be Yarkshire pressin`wouldnt mind seein`a scan of that. TOO RIGHT KEN, JUST CHECK FOR THE MATRIX STAMPS IN THE DEADWAX, END OF STORY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
bri pinch Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 NO USA PROMO OF THIS, JUST LIKE STOLEN HOURS. FOR A BRIEF PERIOD IN MID 66' CAPITOL REFRAINED FROM PUTTIN OUT PROMOS. GOIN' BACK TO ORIGINALS AS HARRY SAID EARLIER, DAISY STAMP, WEST COAST, IAM WITHIN A TRIANGLE STAMP EAST COAST PRESSINGS, SIMPLE REALLY . ANYWAY THINK I'D RATHER KEEP A BRITISH ONE ANYWAY ( ISSUE). BRI PINCH. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
JOE TORQUAY Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 (edited) HI, THIS IS THE RE-ISSUE THE I'VE GOT, NO DAISY ON THIS ONE, JOE. hi, how much is the re-issue worth nowadays ?. joe. Edited January 11, 2008 by JOE TORQUAY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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