NEV Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 HI ALL Came across a bit of info regarding this mighty fine choon. Can anyone confirm if this info is anywhere near correct please:- " Only 1,000 copies were pressed. Additionally, because most of them were printed with the labels reversed, over 700 copies were simply thrown away! The pressing plant never redid the run, so there are now less than 300 copies available in the world today" Also if this is anwhere near true ,how valuable is this record now ??? info was supplied by someone who owns a copy appreciated &thanx to anyone who can help Nev
Gasher Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) Info is aboot right BUT BEWARE IT HAS BEEN BOOTED LATELY I THINK Chris Anderton can confirm seeing a box of boots in the USA last year but kept away. I heard from another source the seller wanted $200 a piece as they looked almost identical to the real ones and would be/could sold as such to the unsuspecting punter. I know Mannie also is aware of the bootleg copies. Price for Originals?? Id say £600+ paid this for mine 5 years ago One of my faves play it out when ever I can. Just dont see it that often hope this helps gasher Edited January 6, 2008 by the gasher
Baz Atkinson Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 YEP IT HAS BEEN BOOTED AND I WOULD AGREE BOUT 600 FOR THE REAL DEAL,GREAT TUNE INDEED! BAZ A
NEV Posted January 5, 2008 Author Posted January 5, 2008 Info is aboot right BUT BEWARE IT HAS BEEN BOOTED LATELY I THINK Chris Anderton can confirm seeing a box of boots in the USA last year but kept away. I heard from another source the seller wanted $200 a piece as they looked almost identical to the real ones and would be/could sold as such to the unsuspecting punter. I know Mannie also is aware of the bootleg copies. Price for Originals?? Id say £600+ paid this for mine 5 years ago One of my faves play it out when ever I can. Just dont see it that often hope this helps gasher Thanx Gasher&Baz What about reverse label copies ,are there any about , or are they all right way round?? nev
Guest mark shepherd Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 think i got about 600 for mine last year shep
NEV Posted January 5, 2008 Author Posted January 5, 2008 think i got about 600 for mine last year shep But were the labels same as or reverse?? by the way im gonna pop to rafa tonight ,nowt else doin might i seeya
Guest Brian Ellis Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) Thanx Gasher&Baz What about reverse label copies ,are there any about , or are they all right way round?? nev Labels are reversed on my copy (and I've had it since 1995). Brian Edited January 5, 2008 by Brian Ellis
Guest Ivor Jones Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 Info is aboot right BUT BEWARE IT HAS BEEN BOOTED LATELY I THINK Chris Anderton can confirm seeing a box of boots in the USA last year but kept away. I heard from another source the seller wanted $200 a piece as they looked almost identical to the real ones and would be/could sold as such to the unsuspecting punter. I know Mannie also is aware of the bootleg copies. Price for Originals?? Id say £600+ paid this for mine 5 years ago One of my faves play it out when ever I can. Just dont see it that often hope this helps HELLO AGAIN LORD GASHER OF ABERDEEEEEEEN, HOPE YOUR KEEPING WELL WELL MY FRIEND ? WELL,THIS IS VERY BAD NEWS. I MUST SAY I THOUGHT IT WAS SURPRISING WHEN A"FEW" COPIES SEEMED TO BE TURNING UP LAST YEAR BUT IN LIGHT OF THIS NEWS IT WOULD SEEM FISHY TO SAY THE LEAST. I RECKON ANYONE BUYING THIS TITLE [iN, SAY THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF],HAS EVERY REASON TO BE SUSPICIOUS OF BOOTLEG TRICKERY. DOES ANYONE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE ON THE BOOTS OR HAVE ANY INFO.......? PHOTO`S WOULD BE GOOD. LUCKILY,I`VE HAD MINE SINCE THE MID 80`S,SO I GUESS MINES OKAY BUT I HAVE EVERY SYMPATHY FOR ANYONE DUPED LIKE THIS.......... ALSO, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHO IS PASSING THESE OFF AS THE PROPER THING WOULDNT IT............? ANYONE HELP ? BEST, IVOR gasher
Guest mark shepherd Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 But were the labels same as or reverse?? by the way im gonna pop to rafa tonight ,nowt else doin might i seeya yes i think the labels were reversed wont be at the rafa tonight though
Gasher Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 My labels are correct but I have seen a couple of back to fronters. stay away to be safe .......unless your 110% sure. gasher
Prophonics 2029 Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 Are these the same Ad-Libs with Hugh Harris of New York In The and Johnny My Boy vocals.
Guest Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 Labels are reversed on my copy (and I've had it since 1995). Brian Brian, Soul Sam is visting me on Thursday, could you possibly give him your revrse label copy of "Fortune Teller" for me to compare with the copy I have in stock which came from an "associate" of the owner.. uuuum Then I can throw some light on this suspect "repro". John
NEV Posted January 6, 2008 Author Posted January 6, 2008 Brian, Soul Sam is visting me on Thursday, could you possibly give him your revrse label copy of "Fortune Teller" for me to compare with the copy I have in stock which came from an "associate" of the owner.. uuuum Then I can throw some light on this suspect "repro". John excellent idea John awaiting result,hopefully conclusion ,with bated breath Nev
Chalky Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 (edited) Are these the same Ad-Libs with Hugh Harris of New York In The and Johnny My Boy vocals. yes I would say, they were abouut for years after the 60's albeit with various changes to the line up. Fortune Teller written by John Taylor who shares credit on Boy From New York City, Think Of Me, Johnny My Boy and others. Edited January 6, 2008 by chalky
Guest Brian Ellis Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 Brian, Soul Sam is visting me on Thursday, could you possibly give him your revrse label copy of "Fortune Teller" for me to compare with the copy I have in stock which came from an "associate" of the owner.. uuuum Then I can throw some light on this suspect "repro". John I'll get it to Sam today so he can bring it for you. Brian PS - Hope you don't tell me that mine's a boot!
Gasher Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 Here is my legit (as far as Im aware copy) came from USA 5+ years ago Non reversed labels or labels correct which ever way you prefer. so you can check it against yours.. lookin for my magnifier to clarify run out details.as Im blind as feck. regards gasher
Gasher Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 Here is my legit (as far as Im aware copy) came from USA 5+ years ago Non reversed labels or labels correct which ever way you prefer. so you can check it against yours.. lookin for my magnifier to clarify run out details.as Im blind as feck. regards gasher WITH LABEL STRAIGHT DEAD CENTRE 2 o'clock reads TR in a circle then PA-5-82 4 o'clock reads....PRI 253-A
Guest Brian Ellis Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 Here is my legit (as far as Im aware copy) came from USA 5+ years ago Non reversed labels or labels correct which ever way you prefer. so you can check it against yours.. lookin for my magnifier to clarify run out details.as Im blind as feck. regards gasher WITH LABEL STRAIGHT DEAD CENTRE 2 o'clock reads TR in a circle then PA-5-82 4 o'clock reads....PRI 253-A Hi Gasher Just checked mine - is exactly the same as you describe above, although with my label dead centre the matrix markings are at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock respectively (position of labels are random relative to the matrix markings I think). Can you confirm that your label is moulded into the vinyl at the run out? Brian
Gasher Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 Yes it is Brian. Hi Gasher Just checked mine - is exactly the same as you describe above, although with my label dead centre the matrix markings are at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock respectively (position of labels are random relative to the matrix markings I think). Can you confirm that your label is moulded into the vinyl at the run out? Brian
Steve Plumb Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 There are originals of this with labels reversed cos I have one! Hope this helps Steve
Guest Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) Here is my legit (as far as Im aware copy) came from USA 5+ years ago Non reversed labels or labels correct which ever way you prefer. so you can check it against yours.. lookin for my magnifier to clarify run out details.as Im blind as feck. regards gasher WITH LABEL STRAIGHT DEAD CENTRE 2 o'clock reads TR in a circle then PA-5-82 4 o'clock reads....PRI 253-A Richie, "WITH LABEL STRAIGHT DEAD CENTRE" you can't do it like that, as labels go on at all angles, depends on how they were load in the machine. and how they were packed to begin with.. always hold one matrix @ 6 o'clock then you get a "true" reading from that starting point. John Edited January 10, 2008 by john manship
Anoraks Corner Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 There are originals of this with labels reversed cos I have one! My one was also label-reversed. It came directly from their manager on release in search of a UK release via a record label I used to work for many moons ago. Still have the business card that was stapled to the sleeve somewhere...had a picture of an alsatian dog on it as I recall.
Chris Anderton Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Just to clarify my position on this.... I never said i saw a box of boots in the US. What i said was that i heard some copies of the record had turned up in the US. As it is, since i posted that message i have never actually seen a massive influx of copies coming onto the market. I didn`t say anything about bootleg copies. Cheers, Chris.
boba Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) Just to clarify my position on this.... I never said i saw a box of boots in the US. What i said was that i heard some copies of the record had turned up in the US. As it is, since i posted that message i have never actually seen a massive influx of copies coming onto the market. I didn`t say anything about bootleg copies. Cheers, Chris. I would be surprised about boots also. Who in the US would bootleg it and if they did, wouldn't they have started appearing? who presses a run of records just to sit in them and try to pawn them off onto british people when they come into town? Doesn't seem very profitable. Also, it would be a strange choice of a record to bootleg Edited January 10, 2008 by boba
Steve Plumb Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Just to clarify my position on this.... I never said i saw a box of boots in the US. What i said was that i heard some copies of the record had turned up in the US. As it is, since i posted that message i have never actually seen a massive influx of copies coming onto the market. I didn`t say anything about bootleg copies. Cheers, Chris. Glad you cleared that one up mate! I heard that 3 or 4 copies turned up from a band member? Must give it a spin on Saturday at the Three Greyhounds methinks! Cheers Steve
Guest mark shepherd Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 i had chance to look at steve plumbs, ad libs at joes bar and the label title was done using a crayon
Guest Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Just to clarify my position on this.... I never said i saw a box of boots in the US. What i said was that i heard some copies of the record had turned up in the US. As it is, since i posted that message i have never actually seen a massive influx of copies coming onto the market. I didn`t say anything about bootleg copies. Cheers, Chris. Chris, I heard that too..which made me wonder and suspicious (I am by nature). The copy i got from the source causing concern, was made from exactly the same masterplate as the reversed label copies also the labels are from the same printing plate, also. BUT the blue label is a slightly diff. shade, that could be due to light exposure or possibly and i do say possibly they re-pressed them. If they did or have they used all the original plates, and printing block for the labels, in other words you can't tell the difference and the guy insists it is/they are originals. Only the label colour and maybe texture of the label could be questioned... that may be down to the ageing process, i know i look a little different than i did in 1981. rest assured they are not bootlegs or counterfeits. John
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