Is It Just Me Or Is There A Monster Northern Dancer

[Steve Plumb]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before BUT isn't the track 'So Soon' a potential Northern monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the same Van McCoy song as done by Donnie Elbert (that was unreleased too - came out on a Joe Boy 45 a few years ago taken from an unreleased acetate). Can't recal who else has done this song off the top of my head BUT Aretha's unreleased version from her latest CD sounds the business to me?

Anyone agree (or not as the case may be!)

Cheers

Steve

[MarkWhiteley]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before BUT isn't the track 'So Soon' a potential Northern monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the same Van McCoy song as done by Donnie Elbert (that was unreleased too - came out on a Joe Boy 45 a few years ago taken from an unreleased acetate). Can't recal who else has done this song off the top of my head BUT Aretha's unreleased version from her latest CD sounds the business to me?

Anyone agree (or not as the case may be!)

Cheers

Steve

any chance of a soundclip Steve

m.

[John Benson]

There's a 30 second sample on Amazon

Amazon

Oops - you beat to the punch!

Edited December 12, 2007 by John Benson

[Guest]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before BUT isn't the track 'So Soon' a potential Northern monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the same Van McCoy song as done by Donnie Elbert (that was unreleased too - came out on a Joe Boy 45 a few years ago taken from an unreleased acetate). Can't recal who else has done this song off the top of my head BUT Aretha's unreleased version from her latest CD sounds the business to me?

Anyone agree (or not as the case may be!)

Cheers

Steve

I am not sure as to it being a potentail " northern " monster , but it certainly deserves to be played .....

Malc Burton

Edited December 12, 2007 by Malc Burton

[willsy]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before BUT isn't the track 'So Soon' a potential Northern monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the same Van McCoy song as done by Donnie Elbert (that was unreleased too - came out on a Joe Boy 45 a few years ago taken from an unreleased acetate). Can't recal who else has done this song off the top of my head BUT Aretha's unreleased version from her latest CD sounds the business to me?

Anyone agree (or not as the case may be!)

Cheers

Steve

heard it saturday night,

mighty fine too

mark w

[Steve G]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before BUT isn't the track 'So Soon' a potential Northern monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the same Van McCoy song as done by Donnie Elbert (that was unreleased too - came out on a Joe Boy 45 a few years ago taken from an unreleased acetate). Can't recal who else has done this song off the top of my head BUT Aretha's unreleased version from her latest CD sounds the business to me?

Anyone agree (or not as the case may be!)

Cheers

Steve

I find it ok - fairly good but I didn't exactly jump out of my seat - but there again little that MsFranklin does makes me do that

[Guest Andy Kempster]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before BUT isn't the track 'So Soon' a potential Northern monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the same Van McCoy song as done by Donnie Elbert (that was unreleased too - came out on a Joe Boy 45 a few years ago taken from an unreleased acetate). Can't recal who else has done this song off the top of my head BUT Aretha's unreleased version from her latest CD sounds the business to me?

Anyone agree (or not as the case may be!)

Cheers

Steve

and very nice indeed, you cant beat that voice

[Guest Bearsy]

I like it a lot better than some of the shite that gets passed off and played

[Rbman]

I find it ok - fairly good but I didn't exactly jump out of my seat - but there again little that MsFranklin does makes me do that

That's a shame Steve, because she speaks very highly of you....

I think it is good enough track to get plays......hello Vinyl Carvers.

[Steve G]

That's a shame Steve, because she speaks very highly of you....

I think it is good enough track to get plays......hello Vinyl Carvers.

Shouldn't you be putting your make up on by now Martin???

[Rbman]

Shouldn't you be putting your make up on by now Martin???

Why?...is there a disco on tonight?

[Guest rachel]

Hmmph, I asked a couple of weeks ago if anyone had the Aretha CD and what it was like and I got completely ignored, I'm going in the huff now

[Paul McKay]

Why?...is there a disco on tonight?

Yes Geoff's bringing some CDs!

[chrissie]

I find it ok - fairly good but I didn't exactly jump out of my seat - but there again little that MsFranklin does makes me do that

Something else we agree on, always think that I am the only person in the world who's boat she doesn't float that much

QoFxx

[chrissie]

Shouldn't you be putting your make up on by now Martin???

Why?...is there a disco on tonight?

Yes Geoff's bringing some CDs!

Hope you still manage to enjoy yourselves without me tonight, you know it won't be quite the same

QoFxx

[Rbman]

Yes Geoff's bringing some CDs!

It's ok paul I've pack one too.....none of that Barbara St. Clair "Teacherman" disco Bo*****ks....

[Steve Plumb]

maybe it's Van McCoy himself ..... as he had a similar pitched voice to Donnie Elbert and

Wasn't aware that it might not be DE? If that's the case then maybe it could be Chris Bartley as Van McCoy did loads of stuff with him in the mid/late 60's (all brill too imho!)

Anyways, glad it got some debate going!

I loved it when i first heard it cos I love Aretha and it's not often you hear an 'on the fours' dancer from her! I also love the song - Nice n catchy, good to dance to and written by a maestro!

Cheers

Steve

[Paul McKay]

Hope you still manage to enjoy yourselves without me tonight, you know it won't be quite the same

QoFxx

We'll certainly try!

[Steve Plumb]

Hmmph, I asked a couple of weeks ago if anyone had the Aretha CD and what it was like and I got completely ignored, I'm going in the huff now

I missed this thread sorry!

I only bought it last week from Amazon, bunging it in the shopping basket cos it was free postage, after ordering loads of stuff for the kids! Glad i did now cos there's other good stuff on it, although nowt else remotely resembling 'Northern'

Cheers

Steve

[Alan Pollard]

maybe it's Van McCoy himself ..... as he had a similar pitched voice to Donnie Elbert and

also did some recordings with KENDRA SPOTSWOOD as the pacettes

Take a listen to "Touch my Heart" by the Vonettes that's Van and Kendra

Hi John,

You could be right here but unfortunately I can't remember who it was quoted as being, see what you mean about The Vonettes "Touch my heart" great record, did you know that whoever typed up the labels at Cobblestone made a typing error on the lable and the groups name should have been The Vanettes.

Regards

Alan

[Alan Pollard]

Wasn't aware that it might not be DE? If that's the case then maybe it could be Chris Bartley as Van McCoy did loads of stuff with him in the mid/late 60's (all brill too imho!)

Anyways, glad it got some debate going!

I loved it when i first heard it cos I love Aretha and it's not often you hear an 'on the fours' dancer from her! I also love the song - Nice n catchy, good to dance to and written by a maestro!

Cheers

Steve

Hi Steve, hope you are well, hope the Orweels going well, we will really make an effort to get there soon as we miss it alot, Chris Bartley good suggestion he had a similar voice to Donnie Elbert, it's bugging now who it is, does anyone know the guys at Joe Boy to ask them.???

Regards

Alan

[Pauldonnelly]

Hi John,

You could be right here but unfortunately I can't remember who it was quoted as being, see what you mean about The Vonettes "Touch my heart" great record, did you know that whoever typed up the labels at Cobblestone made a typing error on the lable and the groups name should have been The Vanettes.

Regards

Alan

with VMcOYS next door neighbouR or shagbitch Sandi Sheldon doing lead vocals.

[Guest TONY ROUNCE]

with VMcOYS next door neighbouR or shagbitch Sandi Sheldon doing lead vocals.

Van batted for the 'other side', I've heard from more than one source - he and Kendra were, quite literally, just good friends I think it's very rude to refer to such a nice lady as a 'shagbitch', too. Less of that, please...

The Aretha track is truly terrific, so much better than so many of the crappy cover versions that Wexler had her doing during the late 60s. And I also think it's better than the Chris Bartley/'Donnie Elbert' version (which is not speculative, it IS actually by Chris B.,)

Edited December 12, 2007 by TONY ROUNCE

[Steve G]

Hope you still manage to enjoy yourselves without me tonight, you know it won't be quite the same

QoFxx

Without you??? Why what has happened? I have even gone out and got your Xmas card in anticipation of seeing you in "The Lamb" tonight

[Soul Shrews]

The Aretha track is truly terrific,

Sorry being lazy and can't be arsed to think of superlatives...........................er thanks Tony

Cheers Paul

[Guest johnm]

This is where I got the info from..........

https://www.spectropop.com/SandiSheldon/index.htm

[Chalky]

Something else we agree on, always think that I am the only person in the world who's boat she doesn't float that much

QoFxx

Thats three of us then. Can think of many I'd put before her.

[Alan Pollard]

Van batted for the 'other side', I've heard from more than one source - he and Kendra were, quite literally, just good friends I think it's very rude to refer to such a nice lady as a 'shagbitch', too. Less of that, please...

The Aretha track is truly terrific, so much better than so many of the crappy cover versions that Wexler had her doing during the late 60s. And I also think it's better than the Chris Bartley/'Donnie Elbert' version (which is not speculative, it IS actually by Chris B.,)

Hi Tony,

Nice one Tony, I knew I had heard that it was by someone other than Donnie Elbert, so whats the story behind the Joe Boy release ? do you know why they said it was Donnie, is it a similar story to the Grapevine release of Del Capris "Hey little way out girl" which was the cover name for Construction on Sync 6.

By the way Tony I am really enjoying your compilation of U Roy's Version Galore, magnificent, as a vocalist I love his so relaxed attitude, it seems to come so natural to him. My favourite has to his version of The Melodians "you have caught me". Great stuuf.

Regards

Alan

[Guest TONY ROUNCE]

Hi Tony,

Nice one Tony, I knew I had heard that it was by someone other than Donnie Elbert, so whats the story behind the Joe Boy release ? do you know why they said it was Donnie, is it a similar story to the Grapevine release of Del Capris "Hey little way out girl" which was the cover name for Construction on Sync 6.

By the way Tony I am really enjoying your compilation of U Roy's Version Galore, magnificent, as a vocalist I love his so relaxed attitude, it seems to come so natural to him. My favourite has to his version of The Melodians "you have caught me". Great stuuf.

Regards

Alan

The track's producer Ralph Murphy confirmed to me, several years ago, that it was by Chris. He was producing both Chris and Donnie at around the same time (he did the Musicor single on the former, and "Along Came Pride" on the latter) and thinks that the tape box for "So Soon" may have just been mislabelled. I know the fellow who Glenn Gunton licensed it from, and I don't think that there was any attempt to mislead on either his or Glenn's part. Bottom line is, it's a really good record by anyone!

I do appreciate your kind words on the U-Roy set, BTW. The man is a godlike genius in my book!

TONY

[Guest TONY ROUNCE]

Thats three of us then. Can think of many I'd put before her.

That's four of us, actually. Aretha's the most overrrated artist in the history of soul music IMO. I don't think she's bad by any means, but she's not even as good a singer as her two late sisters were, let alone some of the other names that she's made out to be better than...

...I guess the bottom line for me is that I've never forgiven her for crucifying "Respect"

Edited December 13, 2007 by TONY ROUNCE

[Soul Shrews]

Thats three of us then. Can think of many I'd put before her.

Try washing your ears out chalky

She ain't called "The Queen" for nowt

Cheers Paul

[Northern Soul Uk]

Big tune, just as i like 'em, old school sounding. When was this recorded?

[Guest TONY ROUNCE]

Try washing your ears out chalky

She ain't called "The Queen" for nowt

Cheers Paul

This being pantomime season, I'd like to offer the following response:

OOOOOOHHHHHH YES SHE IS!!!!!

[Guest rachel]

I missed this thread sorry!

I only bought it last week from Amazon, bunging it in the shopping basket cos it was free postage, after ordering loads of stuff for the kids! Glad i did now cos there's other good stuff on it, although nowt else remotely resembling 'Northern'

Cheers

Steve

I can't remember (or find) where I asked it now

Sounds interesting, one to pick up with the inevitable Christmas gift vouchers I think!

[Soul Shrews]

This being pantomime season, I'd like to offer the following response:

OOOOOOHHHHHH YES SHE IS!!!!!

Should I reply "She's behind you" ???

Cheers Paul

[Steve Plumb]

Hi Steve, hope you are well, hope the Orweels going well, we will really make an effort to get there soon as we miss it alot, Chris Bartley good suggestion he had a similar voice to Donnie Elbert, it's bugging now who it is, does anyone know the guys at Joe Boy to ask them.???

Regards

Alan

Hi Alan

I'm fine mate and I hope you're doing good at the moment too?

Be great to see you on the 28th if you're feeling up to it, reckon it should be a good 'un

Looks like Mr Rounce confirmed that it IS Chris Bartley after all, so that's another Soul Puzzle solved - Nice one Tony

Cheers

Steve

[jocko]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before BUT isn't the track 'So Soon' a potential Northern monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the same Van McCoy song as done by Donnie Elbert (that was unreleased too - came out on a Joe Boy 45 a few years ago taken from an unreleased acetate). Can't recal who else has done this song off the top of my head BUT Aretha's unreleased version from her latest CD sounds the business to me?

Anyone agree (or not as the case may be!)

Cheers

Steve

Yes it is, if it had been undiscovered as old vinyl would have been just behind the Parliaments and J. J. Daniels as best new aggro soul discovery of recent years, fantastic tune.

And Chalky and especially Steve G go and wash your ears out with undiluted bleach, thought you two would have been in tune enough to agree her brilliance, shocked is an understatement.

And for Rachel the whole CD is fantastic, especially side 2, which are leftovers and better than most other artists inclusions of that period, IMVHO (which is the only VHO on this I should say!)

I am not arguing with Tony as dont want to blow any future chances (however slim) to get a Kent credit for something at some point in the future!

[Guest TONY ROUNCE]

Yes it is, if it had been undiscovered as old vinyl would have been just behind the Parliaments and J. J. Daniels as best new aggro soul discovery of recent years, fantastic tune.

And Chalky and especially Steve G go and wash your ears out with undiluted bleach, thought you two would have been in tune enough to agree her brilliance, shocked is an understatement.

And for Rachel the whole CD is fantastic, especially side 2, which are leftovers and better than most other artists inclusions of that period, IMVHO (which is the only VHO on this I should say!)

I am not arguing with Tony as dont want to blow any future chances (however slim) to get a Kent credit for something at some point in the future!

Jock, I've got enough Aretha records in my house to fill a decent sized shelf of anyone;s record library. I don't think she's bad, I just don't think she's great. She's never improved on anyone's original version of anything - for me it's her original material or versions of relatively obscure material (like 'So Soon') that works best...

[Sean Hampsey]

Yes it is, if it had been undiscovered as old vinyl would have been just behind the Parliaments and J. J. Daniels as best new aggro soul discovery of recent years, fantastic tune.

And Chalky and especially Steve G go and wash your ears out with undiluted bleach, thought you two would have been in tune enough to agree her brilliance, shocked is an understatement.

And for Rachel the whole CD is fantastic, especially side 2, which are leftovers and better than most other artists inclusions of that period, IMVHO (which is the only VHO on this I should say!)

I am not arguing with Tony as dont want to blow any future chances (however slim) to get a Kent credit for something at some point in the future!

Amen Jock,

But its a shame it takes a 'stomper' on the CD to get tongues wagging on here! (Sorry Rachel... I missed your thread.. but it looks as if we all did!).

About 2 months ago, Kev Briscoe made me listen to the entire set in his car (I didn't take much persuading).

Needless to say, I was on Amazon the minute I got home.

The entire CD is an essential purchase (even for the mutt n' jeff blokes above ).

Soul People... make sure its in your stocking this christmas!

[Guest Brian Ellis]

Can't get over excited about either version, but if I had to choose it would be Donnie Elbert, I'm afraid.

Lots of far better choons to register with me.

Sorry Steve, this ain't no monster in waiting!

Just IMHO .. of course!

Brian

Edited December 14, 2007 by Brian Ellis

[Steve G]

And Chalky and especially Steve G go and wash your ears out with undiluted bleach, thought you two would have been in tune enough to agree her brilliance, shocked is an understatement.

Oh feck off Jocko Like the Rouncmeister I have got pretty much all of her records - apart from some very early stuff. She's a classic soul artist, but just not in my own personal premier league.

[Guest rachel]

Amen Jock,

But its a shame it takes a 'stomper' on the CD to get tongues wagging on here! (Sorry Rachel... I missed your thread.. but it looks as if we all did!).

I'm starting to think I imagined it

Meant to say earlier, I think the above tune will get some Northern plays, great vocal on it... give me her version of 'It Only Happens' anyday though! Anyway, I'm convinced - looking forward to getting hold of the CD

[Steve Plumb]

I'm starting to think I imagined it

Meant to say earlier, I think the above tune will get some Northern plays, great vocal on it... give me her version of 'It Only Happens' anyday though! Anyway, I'm convinced - looking forward to getting hold of the CD

Hi Rachel

Yeah, 'It only happens' FANTASTIC version! Another monster of hers!

btw A semi-known 70's dancer of hers is her version of 'April Fools' - killer 70's dancer imvho

Cheers

Steve

[jocko]

btw A semi-known 70's dancer of hers is her version of 'April Fools' - killer 70's dancer imvho

Cheers

Steve

As played by me at recent Lifeline and played by someone else at CIS last week, Butch next I reckon, get an extra zero (or 2) on the end of the price Mr Plumb, this could be your biggest tip yet.

Its actually on here for anyone who wants a listen, dont know how to link existing clips though!!

[Steve Plumb]

As played by me at recent Lifeline and played by someone else at CIS last week, Butch next I reckon, get an extra zero (or 2) on the end of the price Mr Plumb, this could be your biggest tip yet.

Its actually on here for anyone who wants a listen, dont know how to link existing clips though!!

Oh I forgot I had a copy for sale Jock

Oh go on then, I'll put a link onto the mp3 on me site https://www.soulmusic.co.uk/Top_Sellers.htm

btw I didn't start the thread to get 'April Fools' noticed BUT it is another of her 'potential monsters'

Cheers

Steve

[Steve Plumb]

Yes it is, if it had been undiscovered as old vinyl would have been just behind the Parliaments and J. J. Daniels as best new aggro soul discovery of recent years, fantastic tune.

And Chalky and especially Steve G go and wash your ears out with undiluted bleach, thought you two would have been in tune enough to agree her brilliance, shocked is an understatement.

And for Rachel the whole CD is fantastic, especially side 2, which are leftovers and better than most other artists inclusions of that period, IMVHO (which is the only VHO on this I should say!)

I am not arguing with Tony as dont want to blow any future chances (however slim) to get a Kent credit for something at some point in the future!

Hi again Jock

Back to the subject in hand, i agree with everything you have said above

I know what you mean about Parliaments etc and agree folks'd be creaming themselves if it had surfaced as a one off acetate etc BUT Chris Clark managed to make itself into a monster from being originally an unreleased track on a CD (and one or two others too, which might make another interesting thread on it's own i guess?), so hope for it yet eh? As someone said earlier, it's a carvers jobbie ain't it, then watch it go

Cheers

Steve

[Chalky]

Jock, I've got enough Aretha records in my house to fill a decent sized shelf of anyone;s record library. I don't think she's bad, I just don't think she's great. She's never improved on anyone's original version of anything - for me it's her original material or versions of relatively obscure material (like 'So Soon') that works best...

I would agree with that Tony, she's not IMHO) as great as made out to be, good maybe but like I said there's many I would listen too before Aretha!!!!

Sorry Jock, off to tescos for some undiluted bleach.....I'll let you know tomorrow if it makes her any better

[Neil Rushton]

Legendary 60's Soul journalist Norman Jopling licenced "So Soon" to Glenn at Joe Boy in good faith as being by Donnie Elbert.

Norman was actually sold the master, on an acetate, by Donnie Elbert from the days when Donnie was based in London (doing A&R for Polydor I believe). Donnie told Norman the that he (Donnie) was the artist.

Pete Lyster played the Aretha version at Soulvation on Saturday and it rocked the place.

[Steve Plumb]

Pete Lyster played the Aretha version at Soulvation on Saturday and it rocked the place.

Out of interest, did anyone hear it played out this weekend?

I didn't get anywhere but it did get played in the car on my way to a works xmas do

Cheers

Steve

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

oh my god was the reaction to that how that was not released in the first place that is pure quality.

I wouldn't mind a copy on vinyl to play out. that is like one Aretha song i love more then anything else she did, it has to be a great record and i would class it in my top lists of Northern soul.