Help Needed With Originallity

[Northern Soul Uk]

Hi there fellahs (and Gals)

I need a bit of help to identify the uniqueness of 2 records, both that I've had since the 70s. The first one is 'The Carstairs - It really hurts me girl'. Like I say, had it years but never known weather it was an original copy or not, can you point me to what I should be looking for? here is an image.

The next one is 'The Anderson Brothers - I can see him loving you', again, had years and one or two people have said that they thought it is an original copy.

I will leave it to the purists on the forum to tell me the truth.

Thank you

Steve

[Garrison]

the carstairs was booted as a white demo -- the original should have [ sterling ] stamped and not scratched in the run out groove , hope that makes sense.

as for the anderson brothers it was booted more than once i beleive so better seek better advice

[Simon T]

Hi there fellahs (and Gals)

I need a bit of help to identify the uniqueness of 2 records, both that I've had since the 70s. The first one is 'The Carstairs - It really hurts me girl'. Like I say, had it years but never known weather it was an original copy or not, can you point me to what I should be looking for? here is an image.

The next one is 'The Anderson Brothers - I can see him loving you', again, had years and one or two people have said that they thought it is an original copy.

I will leave it to the purists on the forum to tell me the truth.

Thank you

Steve

Carstairs WD boot has 'STERLING' scratched in the run-out; original is stamped in.

Anderson Bros original has stereo version  on one side, mono the flip and it's on vinyl. Boot is on styrene and mono version on both sides

[Northern Soul Uk]

That's great, the Anderson Brothers is an original then as it has both the mono and the stereo versions. The carstairs has sterling scratched on the run out and 'RC 2857' scratched also, which is strange as the matrix number is 'RC 802' on the label? I take it that this is a booty then?

Thanks, any more info would be appreciated.

Steve

P.S. Any ideas as to how much the Anderson brothers is worth these days?

[Simon T]

That's great, the Anderson Brothers is an original then as it has both the mono and the stereo versions. The carstairs has sterling scratched on the run out and 'RC 2857' scratched also, which is strange as the matrix number is 'RC 802' on the label? I take it that this is a booty then?

Thanks, any more info would be appreciated.

Steve

P.S. Any ideas as to how much the Anderson brothers is worth these days?

Sorry I might have confused things re: the Anderson Bros original.

The original plays in stereo on the 'stereo' side and in mono on the 'mono'; the boots play the same (mono I think) on both sides, regardless of what the label states, stereo / mono

[Northern Soul Uk]

Sorry I might have confused things re: the Anderson Bros original.

The original plays in stereo on the 'stereo' side and in mono on the 'mono'; the boots play the same (mono I think) on both sides, regardless of what the label states, stereo / mono

yes Iv'e checked it through headphones and the stereo side is in stereo and the mono side in mono. original? Is that the only way of telling the diference, as there is one on EBay at the moment, how could you tell the difference in an auction?

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/anderson-brothers-i-...1QQcmdZViewItem

Edited December 11, 2007 by steveluigi

[Benji]

Is that the only way of telling the diference, as there is one on EBay at the moment, how could you tell the difference in an auction?

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/anderson-brothers-i-...1QQcmdZViewItem

you can see from the picture the record is styrene, i.e. a bootleg...

[45cellar]

yes Iv'e checked it through headphones and the stereo side is in stereo and the mono side in mono. original? Is that the only way of telling the diference, as there is one on EBay at the moment, how could you tell the difference in an auction?

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/anderson-brothers-i-...1QQcmdZViewItem

I have The Carstairs and It is "STERLING" Stamped.

As Already stated by Simon & Nidge. In many ways more straight forward to check.

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The Anderson Brothers is a lot more difficult to determine unless you listen to It.

I don't own a copy of The Anderson Brothers, However;

According to Manships Bootleg Guide It was counterfeited 3 Times, the Original is on Vinyl.

I May be wrong but this one on ebay looks like Styrene from the Scan, which would rule Its chances out.

>>> https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/anderson-brothers-i-...1QQcmdZViewItem <<<

Normally You can usually pick out a Styrene record, If the scan Isn't poor quality.

Edited December 11, 2007 by 45cellar

[Guest]

As i understand it the Anderson Brothers one in the pic is a boot as it has a 'ridge' around the centre hole which is not there on the originals.

Adam.

[Pete S]

The first Anderson brothers bootleg was definitely on vinyl. The vinyl was thick and as mentioned above, it had a dip just before the centre hole. A few records were done at the same time, Dave Newman springs to mind. The originals are thinner and have a less pronounced dip. The common boot is the styrene one.

[Simon T]

The first Anderson brothers bootleg was definitely on vinyl. The vinyl was thick and as mentioned above, it had a dip just before the centre hole. A few records were done at the same time, Dave Newman springs to mind. The originals are thinner and have a less pronounced dip. The common boot is the styrene one.

Is the 'dip' just before the centre hole, like in the scan above? If so, is that the first bootleg then?

Here's a scan of one which I believe to be an orginal. It's almost exactly the same as the one above be the 'Eng' for engineer has a colon : after it, not a full stop as above. Also, the label seems to be off-white and the print almost grey.

[Northern Soul Uk]

All great and helpful comments, but still no definative answer to be able to determine an original Anderson brothers from a boot. I was told that the original plays stereo on the stereo side and mono on the mono side, and the boot plays in mono on both sides although stated as stereo. Like I say mine does play as the stated original copies? Is there anyone who has a guaranteed original copy that could tell me the definate differences. As stated I have had this copy for some 30 years since the Blackpool Mecca days although I cannot remember clearly under what circumstances i bought the record or from who or how much I paid for it as I used to buy so many in those days, money generally no object. Does anyone know what the originals have on the run out dead wax so I can check against my own copy?

Steve

Edited December 11, 2007 by steveluigi

[Pete S]

Is the 'dip' just before the centre hole, like in the scan above? If so, is that the first bootleg then?

Here's a scan of one which I believe to be an orginal. It's almost exactly the same as the one above be the 'Eng' for engineer has a colon : after it, not a full stop as above. Also, the label seems to be off-white and the print almost grey.

That looks real to me

[Northern Soul Uk]

That looks real to me

Does anyone know the value of a 'Real' copy? should I have one.

[Simon T]

All great and helpful comments, but still no definative answer to be able to determine an original Anderson brothers from a boot. I was told that the original plays stereo on the stereo side and mono on the mono side, and the boot plays in mono on both sides although stated as stereo. Like I say mine does play as the stated original copies? Is there anyone who has a guaranteed original copy that could tell me the definate differences. As stated I have had this copy for some 30 years since the Blackpool Mecca days although I cannot remember clearly under what circumstances i bought the record or from who or how much I paid for it as I used to buy so many in those days, money generally no object. Does anyone know what the originals have on the run out dead wax so I can check against my own copy?

Steve

My copy on the stereo side has GSFS 1179 and almost opposite a @

On the mono side it's GSFM, then N80 scored through 3 times, top middle & bottom, then 1179. again opposite a @

The run-out on the mono side is about 1.5cm and on the stereo side it's about .75cm (which makes sense as it takes more of the vinyl to record in stereo)

[Northern Soul Uk]

My copy on the stereo side has GSFS 1179 and almost opposite a @

On the mono side it's GSFM, then N80 scored through 3 times, top middle & bottom, then 1179. again opposite a @

The run-out on the mono side is about 1.5cm and on the stereo side it's about .75cm (which makes sense as it takes more of the vinyl to record in stereo)

Things get curiouser and curiouser? on mine the Stereo side says 'GSFM 1179-S', further round the dead wax are various things scratched out, one bit having 'X' at the end and no '@' in sight unless it's one of the scratched out bits. On the mono side it has

'GSFM- 1179 M' and again other bits scratched out but no 'X', also again no '@' sign? Did they use the '@' sign much in 1974?

Respect Steve