Young Movers Need Pride

[Stevie T]

I too am a youngster and relatively new to the scene and if there is one bit of advice i can give you about Soul Source it would be, ignore all the old people and just listen to me and you will go far but dont ask me anything about the music cos i know nafff all and thats when you have to talk to the old people but only then

Bearsy

haha!!...dead dont listen to em ...dont listen to me,...i dont listen to me ..

[Guest soulmaguk]

An appeal to the board...

As a young twenty something, I first started coming on here because I genuinely believed this was the only place to come for a kid like me, enthusiastic to get into the scene, to learn, appreciate, get tips on tunes, and generally discuss the music I love with likeminded soulies.

However the longer Im here the more I get put off by the fact I come on every day and rather than be excited about the discussions that go on, I get downtrodden by the fact the scene is full of old sceptics, cynics, score settlers, grudge bearers, back stabbers and generable miserablism.

Every thread I open seems to be about some long held grudge that has come to fruition via internet sniping rather than actual real life discussion. While there are many threads that fill me full of enthusiasm and pride at being part of this beautiful thing, the many that I have to trawl through full of hate, spite, namecalling and petty bickering make me think: Do I really want to actually be part of this "scene" and carry on playing and promoting the tunes I love or will being part of such a negative environment eventually wear me down into a similar cynical stage to the point where I'm more concerned about one upmanship than actually appreciating and passing on the music I love so much?

I worry about my current generation when I go to do's and am approached by snakes from all sides, told certain people are useless, only interested in justifying their collections, dont pay attention to current dancefloor feelings, too interested in flogging commerical shite than keeping the scene "real" (whatever that means these days..) Thats why rather than getting into the UK nights I feel more drawn to the continent that has less argumentative bullshit and more people prepared to enthuse about the music than the politics.

Thank f*** I dont listen to any of them and tread my own path, because if I did I'd be fifty before I'm twenty five.

So to those who think internet name calling and vulturing is a progressive pastime; think about us young ones who are being put off by the elitism, attitude and negativity we encounter on the scene and on boards like this.

You're killing our enthusiam and killing the future of a scene you've worked so hard to sustain through all these years. I dont want to look at my elders with disdain at the fact they spend more time slating others than promoting that they love. Remember that passion and new found enthusiam you once felt and dont get bogged down with internal bickering that kills the scene amongst those who should be keeping the flame burning.

Love and hope.

Dont destroy that you love.

A Rusholme Ruffian.

Hi A Rushholme,

I have enjoyed the music they called Northern Soul for nearly 30 years. Let me explain, my friend who has only been into what she told was 'Northern Soul' for a couple of years, and is over fifty years of age. She has told me recently that she is also sick of the bickering, words like that record is plop or if they play another bootleg i'm walking out..and so on. I just tell her 'not' to worry about it, and that the "old sceptics, cynics, score settlers, grudge bearers, back stabbers and generable miserablists" are the shapers of Northern Soul. I have managed to encourage her into the sounds of Rare Soul or Very Rare Soul or undiscovered uptempo dancable Soul. It may help you to seek out the same like minded people rather than just old time 'Northern Soul' fans.

[Guest Bearsy]

I was thinking just that,maybe i am going to the wrong things,out every weekend both

mod and soul nights and end up having a brilliant time,i am sure there are all kinds of negative things going on,like there is in life generaly. I see friends, hear the best music

in the world and dance my arse off every weekend,but thats me! i love the music and thats all i hear, if you find people like that ,dont listen just dance.I know lots of the

younger ones on the scene (i am not one of the younger ones ) now they did say

the had negative reaction from some old soulies,me thinks that may come down to jealousy ,tell them to --ck off and find people who are there to enjoy or be like

me and become a mod, you know it makes sense dont let anything put you off,because if you like the music,you will never look back.

Here endeth the lesson , now help me down of my soap box youngster

spot on (except the bit about becoming a mod ) although lammys are great

[Dylan]

Its James Trouble in drag he's the only person who writes posts that long.

[Godzilla]

Its James Trouble in drag he's the only person who writes posts that long.

Nah....

Spelling's too good

[Steve G]

But if the poster is anonymous how do either of you know you don't know her? Do you know that you don't know her or do you know that you don't know if you know her? Or are you not sure?

Let me put it another way - Is she a known unknown or an unknown unknown?

Arrrrgh - it's him!

Must admit Godz, Rumsfeld's verbal diatrab was one of the funniest things I ever heard, and the only amusing thing to come from this nasty man's gob....what was it now -

"There are things we know, things we don't know, things we think we know, and things we think we know, but don't know....or something like that?

[Mike]

never say for certain if this was indeed posted by a false id, but certainly from this end with the info given when joined it does points to a valid id and have no reasont to consider this any more dodgy that your normal new member

due to critical parts of the post dont think ever gonna get a full "I am"intro, usually when get no name critical posts do get dropped, but this time round did think due to style, points covered, range, recent posts etc it was worth leaving up as may have got some worthwhile discussion going, seems maybe not

so will leave it a bit longer to see if anyone else wants to comment on the actual content rather than who posted etc , if not will close it a bit later

ta

mike

[Godzilla]

Must admit Godz, Rumsfeld's verbal diatrab was one of the funniest things I ever heard, and the only amusing thing to come from this nasty man's gob....what was it now -

"There are things we know, things we don't know, things we think we know, and things we think we know, but don't know....or something like that?

There's a version here steve

CLICK ME

[Mike]

never say for certain if this was indeed posted by a false id, but certainly from this end with the info given when joined it does points to a valid id and have no reasont to consider this any more dodgy that your normal new member

due to critical parts of the post dont think ever gonna get a full "I am"intro, usually when get no name critical posts do get dropped, but this time round did think due to style, points covered, range, recent posts etc it was worth leaving up as may have got some worthwhile discussion going, seems maybe not

so will leave it a bit longer to see if anyone else wants to comment on the actual content rather than who posted etc , if not will close it a bit later

ta

mike

[Godzilla]

never say for certain if this was indeed posted by a false id, but certainly from this end with the info given when joined it does points to a valid id and have no reasont to consider this any more dodgy that your normal new member

due to critical parts of the post dont think ever gonna get a full "I am"intro, usually when get no name critical posts do get dropped, but this time round did think due to style, points covered, range, recent posts etc it was worth leaving up as may have got some worthwhile discussion going, seems maybe not

so will leave it a bit longer to see if anyone else wants to comment on the actual content rather than who posted etc , if not will close it a bit later

ta

mike

I think some of us have poked a bit of fun at all the speculation rather than the post itself Mike. For what it's worth i think it's a bit sad that some folk feel the need to immediately go on the defensive and start to challenge the author in a way that confirms the sentment of the original post ie people on here can be cynical and intolerant.

It's a shame that some prefer to react that way and take the risk that they may have been pretty nasty to a genuine new member sharing a concern. Surely if you take someone on trust and it turns out that you've been decieved you retain the moral high ground anyway?

[Guest posstot]

An appeal to the board...

As a young twenty something, I first started coming on here because I genuinely believed this was the only place to come for a kid like me, enthusiastic to get into the scene, to learn, appreciate, get tips on tunes, and generally discuss the music I love with likeminded soulies.

However the longer Im here the more I get put off by the fact I come on every day and rather than be excited about the discussions that go on, I get downtrodden by the fact the scene is full of old sceptics, cynics, score settlers, grudge bearers, back stabbers and generable miserablism.

Every thread I open seems to be about some long held grudge that has come to fruition via internet sniping rather than actual real life discussion. While there are many threads that fill me full of enthusiasm and pride at being part of this beautiful thing, the many that I have to trawl through full of hate, spite, namecalling and petty bickering make me think: Do I really want to actually be part of this "scene" and carry on playing and promoting the tunes I love or will being part of such a negative environment eventually wear me down into a similar cynical stage to the point where I'm more concerned about one upmanship than actually appreciating and passing on the music I love so much?

I worry about my current generation when I go to do's and am approached by snakes from all sides, told certain people are useless, only interested in justifying their collections, dont pay attention to current dancefloor feelings, too interested in flogging commerical shite than keeping the scene "real" (whatever that means these days..) Thats why rather than getting into the UK nights I feel more drawn to the continent that has less argumentative bullshit and more people prepared to enthuse about the music than the politics.

Thank f*** I dont listen to any of them and tread my own path, because if I did I'd be fifty before I'm twenty five.

So to those who think internet name calling and vulturing is a progressive pastime; think about us young ones who are being put off by the elitism, attitude and negativity we encounter on the scene and on boards like this.

You're killing our enthusiam and killing the future of a scene you've worked so hard to sustain through all these years. I dont want to look at my elders with disdain at the fact they spend more time slating others than promoting that they love. Remember that passion and new found enthusiam you once felt and dont get bogged down with internal bickering that kills the scene amongst those who should be keeping the flame burning.

Love and hope.

Dont destroy that you love.

A Rusholme Ruffian.

WELL! LOOK WHAT YOU'VE STARTED, EVERYTHING YOU'VE MENTIONED, AS A NEGATIVE, IN YOUR POST HAS COME STRAIGHT BACK AT YOU IN THE ANSWERS YOU'VE RECEIVED...AND MAY I ADD A LITTLE SOMETHING.....

THAT'S LIFE !!

UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOESN'T GET LEFT BEHIND ON THE PLAYGROUND....IT GROWS AND WORSENS WITH AGE...WHEREVER YOU ARE IN WHATEVER YOU DO YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND IGNORANT NEGATIVE KNOBHEADS PUTTING THEMSELVES AND THEIR OPINIONS ON YOU AND OTHERS...SO DONT WORRY AND DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND ENJOY IT WITH THE PEOPLE THAT MATTER MOST TO YOU....

AM I RIGHT...YOU'RE NOT WRONG!!!!

PERSONALLY I ENJOYED YOUR LITTLE RANT..ME THINKS YOU NEED A GOOD NIGHTS SLEEP...

[Godzilla]

WELL! LOOK WHAT YOU'VE STARTED, EVERYTHING YOU'VE MENTIONED, AS A NEGATIVE, IN YOUR POST HAS COME STRAIGHT BACK AT YOU IN THE ANSWERS YOU'VE RECEIVED...AND MAY I ADD A LITTLE SOMETHING.....

THAT'S LIFE !!

UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOESN'T GET LEFT BEHIND ON THE PLAYGROUND....IT GROWS AND WORSENS WITH AGE...WHEREVER YOU ARE IN WHATEVER YOU DO YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND IGNORANT NEGATIVE KNOBHEADS PUTTING THEMSELVES AND THEIR OPINIONS ON YOU AND OTHERS...SO DONT WORRY AND DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND ENJOY IT WITH THE PEOPLE THAT MATTER MOST TO YOU....

AM I RIGHT...YOU'RE NOT WRONG!!!!

PERSONALLY I ENJOYED YOUR LITTLE RANT..ME THINKS YOU NEED A GOOD NIGHTS SLEEP...

Does the old "empty vessels" proverb apply to LARGE writing on discussions boards too?

Godz

[Tabs]

Does the old "empty vessels" proverb apply to LARGE writing on discussions boards too?

Godz

Probably does, especially when posstot is an anagram of tosspot.

[Little-stevie]

Edited December 5, 2007 by little-stevie