Northern And Funk

[Pete S]

Hey Pete, Ive always got a smile on my face when Im replying, never take it as a dig! Even if it is!HA!

In that case, f*ck off then

[Paul-s]

77. Pride, Lou - I'm Comun' Home in the Mountain (Suemi) (£1,000)

surely this is a jazz record?

387. Hicks, Joe - Don't It Make You Feel Funky (AGC)

Hows this one make you feel?.....go on admit it!

[Paul-s]

In that case, f*ck off then

[Guest Russ Smith]

probably true Pete and i bet you got a tape of it too

but for me out and out funk might aswell be heavy metal, i just dont like it, but i dont mind some of the so called northern with a bit of a funky edge to it, strange maybe but thats my personal taste, and yes i have tried to listen to it but it just dont do it for me ,

Whats Out and Out Funk ? I'm afraid I might own some, Bearsy!

Ive been collecting records in the grey area between 60s Northern and Funk for years..

We used to make a feature of those kind of sounds at Happiness Stans @ Smithfields , late 90s.

Most if not all had been played on the Northern scene before.

We had plenty of 100 club regulars there and well known Northern Djs on..

Like many tracks mentioned before theres stacks of sounds that were recorded with no genre division in mind..Just Soul !

We love to pigeonhole things in this country , don't we ?

Ive Dj'd on the Soul scene on and off for nearly 30 years and played mainly 60s Soul although Ive played Modern, Crossover,Boogaloo,Funk,R&B,Psyche(Seven Dwarves!) even Disco in the name of Northern The dancefloor will let you know if a record works or not !

Also I dont take it too seriously......hence Seven Dwarves.

It dead hard to play a decent set across the board and hold a floor but a bit of variety here and there makes a night/set/life interesting.

I still prefer 60s Soul music to any other form but it doesnt put me off everything else.

Edited November 19, 2007 by Russ Smith

[Pete S]

77. Pride, Lou - I'm Comun' Home in the Mountain (Suemi) (£1,000)

surely this is a jazz record?

387. Hicks, Joe - Don't It Make You Feel Funky (AGC)

Hows this one make you feel?.....go on admit it!

The only jazz part of the Lou Pride record is the out of tune trumpets at the end, apart from that, out and out Northern.

Joe Hicks? Makes me feel funky...

[Pete S]

Whats Out and Out Funk ? I'm afraid I might own some, Bearsy!

Ive been collecting records in the grey area between 60s Northern and Funk for years..

We used to make a feature of those kind of sounds at Happiness Stans @ Smithfields , late 90s.

Most if not all had been played on the Northern scene before.

We had plenty of 100 club regulars there and well known Northern Djs on..

Like many tracks mentioned before theres stacks of sounds that were recorded with no genre division in mind..Just Soul !

We love to pigeonhole things in this country , don't we ?

Ive Dj'd on the Soul scene on and off for nearly 30 years and played mainly 60s Soul although Ive played Modern, Crossover,Boogaloo,Funk,R&B,Psyche(Seven Dwarves!) even Disco in the name of Northern The dancefloor will let you know if a record works or not !

Also I dont take it too seriously......hence Seven Dwarves.

It dead hard to play a decent set across the board and hold a floor but a bit of variety here and there makes a night/set/life interesting.

Seven Dwarves is a garage record if anything but no worse than Deadbeats, Boston Hitesmen, Traditions etc. Great dancing records.

[Billywhizz]

Bloody hell just flicked through the postings the 1st 26 words by the young Mr.Pete Smith,posting 61 says it all for me.

Billy

[Guest miff]

But modern and funk are not, and never will be Northern soul.

That my be or not true in 1977, but its 2007 now the scene has changed and grown ,I like a good old oldies night as much as the next man, as stated before we even get Ska played nowadays its even got it own section on site If you can except Ska why is Funk such a tabboo

Time we droped the term Northen Soul IMO but wigan behind us and just Call it what it is, Soulfull dance music, Lets move on and if you carnt do that stick to the Oldies only venues. and in 10 years time we will see which will still be going

I know ime ranting but am getting fed up of this old V new lark, and the sooner we move on the better if that means the scene spliting then so be it,

Cant see why it carnt run in parrarell anyway

Rant over off to boil my head now

[Pete S]

Time we droped the term Northen Soul IMO but wigan behind us and just Call it what it is, Soulfull dance music, Lets move on and if you carnt do that stick to the Oldies only venues. and in 10 years time we will see which will still be going

I forsee in my crystal ball that it will be the oldies that survive, and why drop the term Northern Soul, thats what brought most of us together in the first place...and when are people going to stop trying to re-educate other people when they are not interested in learning, this is what I don't understand. I'd never dream of lecturing someone into modern soul on the meritse of Nappy Brown's "Coal Miner" (it hasn't got any) or some other ancient rock n roll r n b record and saying they have to like it or they are not a proper soul fan. It's all down to individual choice at the end of the day, and the more you try to force things on people, the more they will resist.

[Guest miff]

I forsee in my crystal ball that it will be the oldies that survive

May be only time will tell

and why drop the term Northern Soul

Because its got no relavence with todays scene, it cunjers up images of the scene from the 70s a time Gone by, just like Rock N Roll, the scene now encapultes music from all decades and styles from R&B to Funk and every bit inbetween. which as has allready been said was the way Cleethorpes was allways run and ime pleased to say still is, at the end of the day if you dont like Funk you aint ever gonna like it, but to say it has no place in a northern room is just daft

All in my opinion, of course

[Guest sasquatch]

Hi Mate

Who now has the Egg Roll, sold that to Keb many years ago on a Virtue studio disc. I thought he had tracked down who recorded it

Dunno if this question is still lingering... but

If this is the same Egg Roll song.. (and its a good one),

its on this compliation as the M&S Band.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Worlds-Rarest-Funk-45s/dp/B000CR8R9M

[Jason S]

Dunno if this question is still lingering... but

If this is the same Egg Roll song.. (and its a good one),

its on this compliation as the M&S Band.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Worlds-Rarest-Funk-45s/dp/B000CR8R9M

Same tune, yep.

[Guest James Trouble]

Insecure and ignorant people tend to define themselves by what they believe they dislike, even though they do not understand what it is that they believe they dislike.

Like racism.

At an allnighter a few months ago I played Love Experience "Are You Together For The New Day", possibly the last great 'deepfunk' discovery to come to the attention of the funk guys (although some deep soul collectors have had it for the flip side for years, so I'm told), Ady Croasdell was standing by the decks with me, and I asked him what he thought of it, something along the lines:

"What do you think of this Ady, would you say it's northern?" and his reply was "The dancers seem to be enjoying it, so it's northern..."

I think that's the answer to Billy's question.

The important thing, and I assume all on this site believe this as well, is for amazing records to get the recognition they deserve. For me this is what makes the northern soul scene the really special place that it is. It provides just recognition and appreciation to musical genius and great talents that for whatever reason have not yet received what they should have when the records were made. Surely that is what makes 'northern soul' "Northern Soul"? The celebration of forgotton genius.

We are, or at least should be, better and cooler and smarter than all the cnuts who write for NME and MOJO magazine, we're better than the tawts who run shtity clubs in every town center around the world promoting the latest gungy turds packaged in MTV bling and force fed to the unsuspecting youth. We're the smart ones, the cool ones, celebrating the great music in the best way that music can be celebrated, by dancing to it all night long because it's great, and it deserves it.

The day the northern soul scene stops being this will be the day it dies IMO and I certainly won't be the last one left to switch off the light, in fact I'll be the first out the door...

Edited November 19, 2007 by James Trouble

[Guest Bearsy]

This is the Northern Soul top 500, or rather, these are the records from the Northern Soul top 500 that I own. If that makes me a dinosaur then I couldn't care less because I love every one of these records and am proud to own them. (Ignore prices and labels by the way, they were just attached to the list I found)

3. Baker, Yvonne - You Didn't Say a Word (Parkway) (£300 - official issue)

7. Epitome of Sound - You Don't Love Me (Sandbag)

8. Mimms, Garnet - Looking for You (United Artists)

12. Salvadors - Stick by Me Baby (Wise World)

13. Tomangoes - I Really Love You (Washpan)

14. Legend, Tobi - Time Will Pass You By (Amy) (£300 - official issue)

15. Clarke, Tony - Landslide (Chess)

16. Williams, Larry and Johnny Watson - Too Late (Okeh)

18. Tee, Willie - Walking Up a One Way Street (Nola)

19. Barnes, Dena - If You Ever Walk Out of My Life (Inferno)

28. Britt, Mel - She'll Come Running Back (FIP) (£600 - official issue/£800 - demo)

29. Checkerboard Squares - Double Cookin' (Villa) (£300)

31. Williams, Jerry - If You Ask Me - Live Video Soultrip USA 2004 (Calla)

32. Johnson, Lou - Unsatisfied (Big Top)

39. Little Anthony and the Imperials - Better Use Your Head (Veep)

41. Montgomery, Jack - Dearly Beloved (Scepter)

46. Hutton, Bobby - Lend a Hand (ABC)

52. Checker, Chubby - You Just Don't Know (What You Do to Me) (Parkway) (£350)

55. Burdick, Doni - Bari Track (Sound Impression)

56. Courtney, Dean - I'll Always Need You (RCA Victor)

57. Clinton, Larry - She's Wanted (Dynamo) (£1,500 - official issue/£1,000 - demo)

58. Ragland, Lou - I Travel Alone (Amy) (£300)

59. Chavez, Freddie - They'll Never Know Why (Look) (£400 - official issue)

61. Parrish, Dean - I'm On My Way (Laurie)

63. Banks, Darrell - Open the Door to Your Heart (Revilot)

67. Hebb, Bobby - Love, Love, Love (Philips)

69. Drifters - You Got to Pay Your Dues (Atlantic)

73. Randell, Lynne - Stranger in My Arms (Epic)

75. Martin, Shane - I Need You (Epic)

77. Pride, Lou - I'm Comun' Home in the Mountain (Suemi) (£1,000)

78. Anka, Paul - I Can't Help Lovin' You (RCA Victor)

79. Four Perfections - I'm Not Strong Enough (Party Time)

81. Coasters - Crazy Baby (Atco)

84. Melvin, Harold and the Blue Notes - Get Out (Landa)

89. Pointer Sisters - Send Him Back (Atlantic)

90. Yum Yums - Gonna Be a Big Thing (ABC Paramount) (£500)

93. Hill, Lainie - Time Marches On (New Voice) (£300)

94. Paris, Bobby - I Walked Away (Capitol)

95. Turner, Spyder - I Can't Make It Anymore (MGM)

102. Poppies - There's a Pain in My Heart (Epic)

103. Edwards, Jackie - I Feel So Bad (Island)

107. 7th Avenue Aviators/Frankie Karl and the Chevrons - You Should O' Held On (Congress/Philtown) (£400 - Philtown)

108. Knight, Marie - That's No Way to Treat a Girl (Musicor)

113. Ann, Beverly - You've Got Your Mind On Other Things (RCA Victor)

114. Charades - Key to My Happiness (MGM)

115. Woods, Billy - Let Me Make You Happy (Sussex) (£2,000)

116. Temple, Richard - That Beatin' Rhythm (Mirwood)

118. Jon and the Wierdest - Can't Get Over These Memories (Tie) (£1,000)

119. Mitchell, Willie - The Champion EP (Hi)

127. Majestics - I Love Her So Much (It Hurts Me) (Linda)

128. Mitchell, Stanley - Get It Baby (Dynamo) (£400 - official issue/£300 - demo)

129. Chestnut, Morris - Too Darn Soulful (Amy) (£300 - official issue)

135. Reflections - Like Adam and Eve (Paramount)

136. Banks, Darrell - Somebody (Somewhere) Needs You (Revilot)

137. Laws, Eloise - Love Factory (Music Merchant)

140. Williams, Bernie - Ever Again (Bell) (£1,500)

141. De-Lites - Lover (Cuppy) (£700)

144. Curtis, Lenny - Nothing Can Help You Now (End) (£450)

145. Chandler, Gene - There Was a Time (Brunswick)

146. Detroit Executives - Cool Off (Pameline)

148. Parrish, Dean - Determination (Boom)

156. Adam's Apples - Don't Take It Out on This World (Brunswick)

169. Ingram, Luther - Exus Trek/If It's All the Same to You (HIB)

171. Wilson, Nancy - End of Our Love (Capitol)

172. Barnes, JJ - Please Let Me In (Ric-Tic)

176. Soul Twins - Quick Change Artist (Karen)

177. Porter, NF - Keep On Keeping On (Lizard)

179. Volcanos - (It's Against) The Laws of Love (Arctic)

183. Ward, Sam - Sister Lee (Groove City) (£350)

184. Freeman, Art - Slippin' Around with You (Fame)

185. McNeir, Ronnie - Sitting in My Class/Isn't She a Pretty Girl (Deto)

186. Tony and Tyrone - Please Operator (Atlantic)

189. Burns, Jimmy - I Really Love You (Erica) (£1,000)

193. Russell, Saxie - Psychedelic Soul (Thomas)

195. Holloway, Brenda - Reconsider (Motown - White Label)

198. Anderson Brothers - I Can See Him Loving You (GSF)

199. Barnes, Towanda - You Don't Mean It (A&M)

203. Frankie and Johnny - I'll Hold You (Decca)

204. Robinson, Shawn - My Dear Heart (Minit)

210. Cooper, Eula - Let Our Love Grow Higher (Super Sound)

213. Demain, Arin - Silent Treatment (Blue Star) (£700)

215. Fletcher, Sam - I'd Think It Over (Tollie)

218. Roye, Lee - Tears (Nothing But Tears) (Decca)

219. Moore, Melba - Magic Touch (Kent Anniversary Special)

220. Little Richie - Just Another Heartache (Sound Stage 7) (£300)

223. Cashmeres - Show Stopper (Hem) (£1,000)

226. Middleton, Tony - Paris Blues (Amy)

231. Prophet, Billy - What Can I Do? (Sue)

237. Spiral Starecase - More Today Than Yesterday (Columbia)

238. Soul Brothers Six - I'll Be Loving You (Atlantic)

239. Originals - Suspicion/Baby Have Mercy on Me (Motown - acetate) (£1,000)

241. Flirtations - Stronger Than Her Love (Festival)

242. Natural Four - I Thought You Were Mine (ABC)

243. Fi-Dels - Try a Little Harder (Keymen)

245. Skullsnaps - I'm Your Pimp (GSF)

255. Hestor, Tony - Down in the Dumps (Goldmine)

257. Williams, Jeanette - All of a Sudden (Back Beat)

261. Betty Boo - Say It Isn't So (Grapevine)

265. Nomads - Somethin's Bad (Mo-Groov) (£800)

268. Garrett, Kelly - Love's the Only Answer (Smash)

269. Parliaments - Don't Be Sore at Me (Revilot)

270. Staton, Candi - Now You've Got the Upper Hand (Unity) (£350)

274. Reparta & the Delrons - Panic (Mala)

276. Houston, Thelma - Baby Mine (Capitol)

282. Righteous Brothers Band - Rat Race (Verve)

284. Johnson, Herb & the Impacts - I'm So Glad (Toxsan) (£300)

291. Chandlers - Your Love Makes Me Lonely (Col-Soul) (£300)

295. Smith, Bobbie - Walk On Into My Heart (American Arts)

296. Bob & Earl Band - My Little Girl (instrumental) (Jay Boy)

297. August & Deneen - We Go Together (ABC)

299. Allen, Larry/L - Can't We Talk It Over (Green Dolphin) (£300 - as Larry)

301. Traynor, Jay - Up and Over (ABC) (£300 - official issue)

302. Little Ann - What Should I Do (Kent)

304. Jay & the Techniques - Apples, Peaches, Pumpkin Pie (Smash)

314. World Column - So Is the Sun (Tower)

315. Bryant, Lillie - Meet Me Halfway (Tay-Ster) (£500)

316. Servicemen - Need a Helping Hand (Wind-Hit) (£1,000)

317. Embers - Watch Out Girl (MGM)

318. Courtney, Dean - Love, You Just Can't Walk Away (MGM)

319. Cooperettes - Shing a Ling (Brunswick)

320. Chandler, Gene - I Can Take Care of Myself (Constellation)

323. Jades - I'm Where It's At (Nite Life) (£300)

324. Inspirations - No One Else Can Take Your Place (Breakthrough) (£4,000)

326. Chapter Five - You Can't Mean It (CBS)

327. Jones, E Rodney - R and B Time (Part 1) (Tuff/Karisma)

332. Ivorys - Please Stay (Despenza/Wand) (£600 - Wand)

337. Del-Larks - Job Opening (Queen City) (£1,000 - official issue/£2,000 - demo)

340. Varner, Don - Tear Stained Face (Quinvy) (£700)

352. Perry, Ann - That's the Way He Is (Theoda)

354. Instrumental (Ronnie and Robyn) - Sidra's Theme (Sidra)

356. Smith, Kenny - Lord, What's Happening to Your People (Goldspot/GAR)

363. Collins, Will and Will Power - Is There Anything I Can Do? (Bareback)

366. Smith, Youngblood - You Can Split (Verve)

367. Raye, Jimmy - Philly Dog Around the World (KKC) (£300)

368. Pollard, Ray - The Drifter (United Artists)

371. Furys - I'm Satisfied with You (Keymen)

372. Garner, Reggie - Hot Line (Capitol)

374. Guyton, Howard - I Watched You Slowly Slip Away (Verve)

376. Total Eclipses - 6 O'Clock (from LP) (Imperial)

377. Holman, Eddie - Where I'm Not Wanted/Hurt (Goldmine)

381. Wynns, Sandy - A Touch of Venus (Champion/Doc)

382. Showmen - Our Love Will Grow (Swan)

383. High Keys - Living a Lie (Verve)

385. David and the Giants - Ten Miles High (Crazy Horse)

387. Hicks, Joe - Don't It Make You Feel Funky (AGC)

395. Baines, Vickie - Country Girl (Parkway) (£400 - official issue)

397. Edwards, Lou - Talkin' 'Bout Poor Folks (Thinking 'Bout My Folks) (Columbia)

408. Hudson, Pookie - This Gets to Me (Jamie)

414. Ambers - Potion of Love (Smash)

419. Davis, Melvin - Find a Quiet Place (Wheel City) (£700)

421. Kent, Al - Way You Been Acting Lately (Ric-Tic)

423. Maestro, Johnny - I'm Stepping Out of the Picture (Scepter) (£600)

433. Daye, Eddie and the Four Bars - Guess Who Loves You (Shrine) (£1,500)

444. Ascots - Another Day (Mir-A-Don)

450. Jewels - We Got Togetherness (MGM)

451. Hutch, Willie - The Duck/Love Runs Out (Dunhill) (£300 - official issue)

455. Gardner, Don - Cheatin Kind (Sedgrick) (£3,000)

459. Mack, Jimmy - My World is on Fire (Palmer) (£500 - official issue/£400 - demo)

462. Hampton, Johnny - Not My Girl (Dotty's) (£800)

470. Wylie, Richard 'Popcorn' - Rosemary What Happened (Karen)

476. Williams, Al - I Am Nothing (Palmer/La Beat) (£1,200 - Palmer/£900 - La Beat: official issue/£1,500 - La Beat: demo)

478. Basil, Toni - Breakaway (A&M)

480. Velours - I'm Gonna Change (MGM)

483. Merrell, Ray - Tears of Joy (Jay Boy)

484. Middleton, Tony - To the Ends of the Earth (MGM)

485. Parker, Eddie - I'm Gone (Awake) (£1,000)

492. Tipton, Lester - This Won't Change (La Beat) (£1,500)

494. Blackwell, g - Can't Lose My Head (Smoke) (£300)

500. Santos, Larry - You Got Me Where You Want Me (Evolution)

Shame that wasnt a sales list Pete as there are a few of my wants on there

[Guest Bearsy]

Whats Out and Out Funk ? I'm afraid I might own some, Bearsy!

Ive been collecting records in the grey area between 60s Northern and Funk for years..

We used to make a feature of those kind of sounds at Happiness Stans @ Smithfields , late 90s.

Most if not all had been played on the Northern scene before.

We had plenty of 100 club regulars there and well known Northern Djs on..

Like many tracks mentioned before theres stacks of sounds that were recorded with no genre division in mind..Just Soul !

We love to pigeonhole things in this country , don't we ?

Ive Dj'd on the Soul scene on and off for nearly 30 years and played mainly 60s Soul although Ive played Modern, Crossover,Boogaloo,Funk,R&B,Psyche(Seven Dwarves!) even Disco in the name of Northern The dancefloor will let you know if a record works or not !

Also I dont take it too seriously......hence Seven Dwarves.

It dead hard to play a decent set across the board and hold a floor but a bit of variety here and there makes a night/set/life interesting.

I still prefer 60s Soul music to any other form but it doesnt put me off everything else.

I cant argue with that Russ but i dont like funk, im not you or the dance floor im just little old me and i dont like funk, im not pidgeon holeing cos i never invented the word funk or the scene known as funk, like i said earlier there are tunes i do like in the "northern" scene that have a funky egde to them but out and out funk i have heard i just dont like, Im sorry but i dont like funk honestly i dont like funk i actually dislike funk, I DONT LIKE FUNK im actually really starting to F****G hate funk and i dont care what anyone else thinks about me not liking funk cos i dont like it and cant anyone accept that someone (me) into northern soul etc can actually not like funk

one more time BEARSY DONT LIKE FUNK

[BrianB]

at the end of the day if you dont like Funk you aint ever gonna like it, but to say it has no place in a northern room is just daft

All in my opinion, of course

I rest my bloody case!! The scene WILL die out sooner than we thought with bloody funk on the menu.!

[Guest Bearsy]

I rest my bloody case!! The scene WILL die out sooner than we thought with bloody funk on the menu.!

you dont like funk either Brian

[Simon M]

Bearsy you said you were after this big time Parisians ..

[Guest Bearsy]

Bearsy you said you were after this big time Parisians ..

if thats the best you can do Simon then aint you got a disco ball to polish

[Guest Bearsy]

Bearsy you said you were after this big time Parisians ..

on a serious note though, Is the Parisians out and out funk and nothing else

[Guest Pete Griffin]

This is the Northern Soul top 500, or rather, these are the records from the Northern Soul top 500 that I own. If that makes me a dinosaur then I couldn't care less because I love every one of these records and am proud to own them. (Ignore prices and labels by the way, they were just attached to the list I found)

3. Baker, Yvonne - You Didn't Say a Word (Parkway) (£300 - official issue)

7. Epitome of Sound - You Don't Love Me (Sandbag)

8. Mimms, Garnet - Looking for You (United Artists)

12. Salvadors - Stick by Me Baby (Wise World)

13. Tomangoes - I Really Love You (Washpan)

14. Legend, Tobi - Time Will Pass You By (Amy) (£300 - official issue)

15. Clarke, Tony - Landslide (Chess)

16. Williams, Larry and Johnny Watson - Too Late (Okeh)

18. Tee, Willie - Walking Up a One Way Street (Nola)

19. Barnes, Dena - If You Ever Walk Out of My Life (Inferno)

28. Britt, Mel - She'll Come Running Back (FIP) (£600 - official issue/£800 - demo)

29. Checkerboard Squares - Double Cookin' (Villa) (£300)

31. Williams, Jerry - If You Ask Me - Live Video Soultrip USA 2004 (Calla)

32. Johnson, Lou - Unsatisfied (Big Top)

39. Little Anthony and the Imperials - Better Use Your Head (Veep)

41. Montgomery, Jack - Dearly Beloved (Scepter)

46. Hutton, Bobby - Lend a Hand (ABC)

52. Checker, Chubby - You Just Don't Know (What You Do to Me) (Parkway) (£350)

55. Burdick, Doni - Bari Track (Sound Impression)

56. Courtney, Dean - I'll Always Need You (RCA Victor)

57. Clinton, Larry - She's Wanted (Dynamo) (£1,500 - official issue/£1,000 - demo)

58. Ragland, Lou - I Travel Alone (Amy) (£300)

59. Chavez, Freddie - They'll Never Know Why (Look) (£400 - official issue)

61. Parrish, Dean - I'm On My Way (Laurie)

63. Banks, Darrell - Open the Door to Your Heart (Revilot)

67. Hebb, Bobby - Love, Love, Love (Philips)

69. Drifters - You Got to Pay Your Dues (Atlantic)

73. Randell, Lynne - Stranger in My Arms (Epic)

75. Martin, Shane - I Need You (Epic)

77. Pride, Lou - I'm Comun' Home in the Mountain (Suemi) (£1,000)

78. Anka, Paul - I Can't Help Lovin' You (RCA Victor)

79. Four Perfections - I'm Not Strong Enough (Party Time)

81. Coasters - Crazy Baby (Atco)

84. Melvin, Harold and the Blue Notes - Get Out (Landa)

89. Pointer Sisters - Send Him Back (Atlantic)

90. Yum Yums - Gonna Be a Big Thing (ABC Paramount) (£500)

93. Hill, Lainie - Time Marches On (New Voice) (£300)

94. Paris, Bobby - I Walked Away (Capitol)

95. Turner, Spyder - I Can't Make It Anymore (MGM)

102. Poppies - There's a Pain in My Heart (Epic)

103. Edwards, Jackie - I Feel So Bad (Island)

107. 7th Avenue Aviators/Frankie Karl and the Chevrons - You Should O' Held On (Congress/Philtown) (£400 - Philtown)

108. Knight, Marie - That's No Way to Treat a Girl (Musicor)

113. Ann, Beverly - You've Got Your Mind On Other Things (RCA Victor)

114. Charades - Key to My Happiness (MGM)

115. Woods, Billy - Let Me Make You Happy (Sussex) (£2,000)

116. Temple, Richard - That Beatin' Rhythm (Mirwood)

118. Jon and the Wierdest - Can't Get Over These Memories (Tie) (£1,000)

119. Mitchell, Willie - The Champion EP (Hi)

127. Majestics - I Love Her So Much (It Hurts Me) (Linda)

128. Mitchell, Stanley - Get It Baby (Dynamo) (£400 - official issue/£300 - demo)

129. Chestnut, Morris - Too Darn Soulful (Amy) (£300 - official issue)

135. Reflections - Like Adam and Eve (Paramount)

136. Banks, Darrell - Somebody (Somewhere) Needs You (Revilot)

137. Laws, Eloise - Love Factory (Music Merchant)

140. Williams, Bernie - Ever Again (Bell) (£1,500)

141. De-Lites - Lover (Cuppy) (£700)

144. Curtis, Lenny - Nothing Can Help You Now (End) (£450)

145. Chandler, Gene - There Was a Time (Brunswick)

146. Detroit Executives - Cool Off (Pameline)

148. Parrish, Dean - Determination (Boom)

156. Adam's Apples - Don't Take It Out on This World (Brunswick)

169. Ingram, Luther - Exus Trek/If It's All the Same to You (HIB)

171. Wilson, Nancy - End of Our Love (Capitol)

172. Barnes, JJ - Please Let Me In (Ric-Tic)

176. Soul Twins - Quick Change Artist (Karen)

177. Porter, NF - Keep On Keeping On (Lizard)

179. Volcanos - (It's Against) The Laws of Love (Arctic)

183. Ward, Sam - Sister Lee (Groove City) (£350)

184. Freeman, Art - Slippin' Around with You (Fame)

185. McNeir, Ronnie - Sitting in My Class/Isn't She a Pretty Girl (Deto)

186. Tony and Tyrone - Please Operator (Atlantic)

189. Burns, Jimmy - I Really Love You (Erica) (£1,000)

193. Russell, Saxie - Psychedelic Soul (Thomas)

195. Holloway, Brenda - Reconsider (Motown - White Label)

198. Anderson Brothers - I Can See Him Loving You (GSF)

199. Barnes, Towanda - You Don't Mean It (A&M)

203. Frankie and Johnny - I'll Hold You (Decca)

204. Robinson, Shawn - My Dear Heart (Minit)

210. Cooper, Eula - Let Our Love Grow Higher (Super Sound)

213. Demain, Arin - Silent Treatment (Blue Star) (£700)

215. Fletcher, Sam - I'd Think It Over (Tollie)

218. Roye, Lee - Tears (Nothing But Tears) (Decca)

219. Moore, Melba - Magic Touch (Kent Anniversary Special)

220. Little Richie - Just Another Heartache (Sound Stage 7) (£300)

223. Cashmeres - Show Stopper (Hem) (£1,000)

226. Middleton, Tony - Paris Blues (Amy)

231. Prophet, Billy - What Can I Do? (Sue)

237. Spiral Starecase - More Today Than Yesterday (Columbia)

238. Soul Brothers Six - I'll Be Loving You (Atlantic)

239. Originals - Suspicion/Baby Have Mercy on Me (Motown - acetate) (£1,000)

241. Flirtations - Stronger Than Her Love (Festival)

242. Natural Four - I Thought You Were Mine (ABC)

243. Fi-Dels - Try a Little Harder (Keymen)

245. Skullsnaps - I'm Your Pimp (GSF)

255. Hestor, Tony - Down in the Dumps (Goldmine)

257. Williams, Jeanette - All of a Sudden (Back Beat)

261. Betty Boo - Say It Isn't So (Grapevine)

265. Nomads - Somethin's Bad (Mo-Groov) (£800)

268. Garrett, Kelly - Love's the Only Answer (Smash)

269. Parliaments - Don't Be Sore at Me (Revilot)

270. Staton, Candi - Now You've Got the Upper Hand (Unity) (£350)

274. Reparta & the Delrons - Panic (Mala)

276. Houston, Thelma - Baby Mine (Capitol)

282. Righteous Brothers Band - Rat Race (Verve)

284. Johnson, Herb & the Impacts - I'm So Glad (Toxsan) (£300)

291. Chandlers - Your Love Makes Me Lonely (Col-Soul) (£300)

295. Smith, Bobbie - Walk On Into My Heart (American Arts)

296. Bob & Earl Band - My Little Girl (instrumental) (Jay Boy)

297. August & Deneen - We Go Together (ABC)

299. Allen, Larry/L - Can't We Talk It Over (Green Dolphin) (£300 - as Larry)

301. Traynor, Jay - Up and Over (ABC) (£300 - official issue)

302. Little Ann - What Should I Do (Kent)

304. Jay & the Techniques - Apples, Peaches, Pumpkin Pie (Smash)

314. World Column - So Is the Sun (Tower)

315. Bryant, Lillie - Meet Me Halfway (Tay-Ster) (£500)

316. Servicemen - Need a Helping Hand (Wind-Hit) (£1,000)

317. Embers - Watch Out Girl (MGM)

318. Courtney, Dean - Love, You Just Can't Walk Away (MGM)

319. Cooperettes - Shing a Ling (Brunswick)

320. Chandler, Gene - I Can Take Care of Myself (Constellation)

323. Jades - I'm Where It's At (Nite Life) (£300)

324. Inspirations - No One Else Can Take Your Place (Breakthrough) (£4,000)

326. Chapter Five - You Can't Mean It (CBS)

327. Jones, E Rodney - R and B Time (Part 1) (Tuff/Karisma)

332. Ivorys - Please Stay (Despenza/Wand) (£600 - Wand)

337. Del-Larks - Job Opening (Queen City) (£1,000 - official issue/£2,000 - demo)

340. Varner, Don - Tear Stained Face (Quinvy) (£700)

352. Perry, Ann - That's the Way He Is (Theoda)

354. Instrumental (Ronnie and Robyn) - Sidra's Theme (Sidra)

356. Smith, Kenny - Lord, What's Happening to Your People (Goldspot/GAR)

363. Collins, Will and Will Power - Is There Anything I Can Do? (Bareback)

366. Smith, Youngblood - You Can Split (Verve)

367. Raye, Jimmy - Philly Dog Around the World (KKC) (£300)

368. Pollard, Ray - The Drifter (United Artists)

371. Furys - I'm Satisfied with You (Keymen)

372. Garner, Reggie - Hot Line (Capitol)

374. Guyton, Howard - I Watched You Slowly Slip Away (Verve)

376. Total Eclipses - 6 O'Clock (from LP) (Imperial)

377. Holman, Eddie - Where I'm Not Wanted/Hurt (Goldmine)

381. Wynns, Sandy - A Touch of Venus (Champion/Doc)

382. Showmen - Our Love Will Grow (Swan)

383. High Keys - Living a Lie (Verve)

385. David and the Giants - Ten Miles High (Crazy Horse)

387. Hicks, Joe - Don't It Make You Feel Funky (AGC)

395. Baines, Vickie - Country Girl (Parkway) (£400 - official issue)

397. Edwards, Lou - Talkin' 'Bout Poor Folks (Thinking 'Bout My Folks) (Columbia)

408. Hudson, Pookie - This Gets to Me (Jamie)

414. Ambers - Potion of Love (Smash)

419. Davis, Melvin - Find a Quiet Place (Wheel City) (£700)

421. Kent, Al - Way You Been Acting Lately (Ric-Tic)

423. Maestro, Johnny - I'm Stepping Out of the Picture (Scepter) (£600)

433. Daye, Eddie and the Four Bars - Guess Who Loves You (Shrine) (£1,500)

444. Ascots - Another Day (Mir-A-Don)

450. Jewels - We Got Togetherness (MGM)

451. Hutch, Willie - The Duck/Love Runs Out (Dunhill) (£300 - official issue)

455. Gardner, Don - Cheatin Kind (Sedgrick) (£3,000)

459. Mack, Jimmy - My World is on Fire (Palmer) (£500 - official issue/£400 - demo)

462. Hampton, Johnny - Not My Girl (Dotty's) (£800)

470. Wylie, Richard 'Popcorn' - Rosemary What Happened (Karen)

476. Williams, Al - I Am Nothing (Palmer/La Beat) (£1,200 - Palmer/£900 - La Beat: official issue/£1,500 - La Beat: demo)

478. Basil, Toni - Breakaway (A&M)

480. Velours - I'm Gonna Change (MGM)

483. Merrell, Ray - Tears of Joy (Jay Boy)

484. Middleton, Tony - To the Ends of the Earth (MGM)

485. Parker, Eddie - I'm Gone (Awake) (£1,000)

492. Tipton, Lester - This Won't Change (La Beat) (£1,500)

494. Blackwell, g - Can't Lose My Head (Smoke) (£300)

500. Santos, Larry - You Got Me Where You Want Me (Evolution)

THATS A CRAP COLLECTION YOU HAVE Pete (NOT)

just let me know when your selling

[Guest Bearsy]

THATS A CRAP COLLECTION YOU HAVE Pete (NOT)

just let me know when your selling

I asked first

[Simon M]

on a serious note though, Is the Parisians out and out funk and nothing else

Its funky yeah ..

[Guest Bearsy]

Its funky yeah ..

thats not decisive enough for me, you made a statement now cant answer it properly, is it funk and funk only come on answer your own statement please and then i shall leave this merry go round of dictatorship of what we should be liking and accepting

[Simon M]

thats not decisive enough for me, you made a statement now cant answer it properly, is it funk and funk only come on answer your own statement please and then i shall leave this merry go round of dictatorship of what we should be liking and accepting

Its funky soul , thats all .. btw Im not forcing you to be on this thread , you can go away and play Joannie Summers anytime

Edited November 19, 2007 by Simon M

[Guest Pete Griffin]

I asked first

[Guest Bearsy]

post 116

[Guest Bearsy]

Its funky soul , thats all .. btw Im not forcing you to be on this thread , you can go away and play Joannie Summers anytime

just played it and its sounds as great now as when i first bought it and 1000 times better than any funk tune you sent me via pm trying to impress me, its all about personal taste and have i ever tried to tell you that you should like what i got how many times a day are you trying to tell me to buy disco and funk as its the only way the scene will survive, 10 at least

and who was it coming home from Lifeline that said "if that record is a 60s record i aint going to buy it even though i really want and like it" YOU DID,

be your own man and stop trying to tell other people what they should or shouldnt like when you are predujice against 60s tunes

I got nothing to hide and i like what i like not what others want you to like eh simon

[Guest James Trouble]

James they are great tunes but also they are shite tunes to some people that dont like them, your taste does not dictate what is good or bad or should or shouldnt be heard or played, everyone has their own individual taste like i do and some like me just dont like funk as a whole, its simple really, we all have different tastes and if someone has different taste to you that dont make them ignorent or even have to understand what funk is really all about or do they.

Me i am open to hearing new sounds even if they have a funky edge to them but if i dont like them i simply dont like them but it also dont mean i have bad taste either (no stupid comments on that last bit please ) in other words each to their own

That's not the point of the thread though is it? The thread says "no place for 'funk' on the northern scene, oil and water".

The fact is there is already funk played, and there is funk that will be played. So to say there is no place for it is just plain wrong. In fact this thread is an oxymoron, but an oxymoron that quite a few people seem interested in going by the number of hits it's received...

Edited November 19, 2007 by James Trouble

[Guest Bearsy]

That's not the point of the thread though is it? The thread says "no place for 'funk' on the northern scene, oil and water".

The fact is there is already funk played, and there is funk that will be played. So to say there is no place for it is just plain wrong and this thread is an oxymoron, but an oxymoron that quite a few people seem interested in going by the number of hits it's received...

in that case my answer is NO to funk in the scene, it has its own scene so bugger it off back there

[Simon M]

[i got nothing to hide and i like what i like not what others want you to like eh simon

[Simon M]

That's not the point of the thread though is it? The thread says "no place for 'funk' on the northern scene, oil and water".

The fact is there is already funk played, and there is funk that will be played. So to say there is no place for it is just plain wrong. In fact this thread is an oxymoron, but an oxymoron that quite a few people seem interested in going by the number of hits it's received...

How about a new thread Funky Disco and Northern ?

[Guest Bearsy]

[i got nothing to hide and i like what i like not what others want you to like eh simon

well at least you bought the Chimes, Will Collins , Exportations and now want a Little Major Williams and Joseph Webster .. I'd like a Celebreties , Saints and a Parliaments for $10 each

them too you can have my saints if you want £50 (you didnt say which one)

[Guest Baz]

Simple answer really is there a place for 'funk' in the 'northern scene' - No

Is there a place for 'funk' in the rare soul scene, that once the tune hits popularity status the 'northern scene' can claim to there own - Yes

[Guest James Trouble]

I didn't realise this was in that northern soul top 500 book

About as ghetto street funk as was ever made.

245. Skullsnaps - I'm Your Pimp (GSF)

Edited November 19, 2007 by James Trouble

[Russ Vickers]

Bootsy Collins, Funkadelic, Parliaments is not "funk" it's funky rock. Only people who read record collector, mojo and civilains think that's funk. Funk is more like "Cold Sweat" not some gay rock funky rock band. There are tons of funk and funk tunes played on the northern scene, but cause you have labeled them northern they are northern. I can assure you if a big dj started playing some of the big funk 45s they would suddenly become northern overnight and you would all somehow be able to apreciate their northerness all of a sudden.

There are three types of northern collector/djs i have met in my travels. The ones that look in your box and ignore the 45s they dont know as they cant be good if they dont know them. Then the smart ones who listen to everthing they dont know, Dyson and Sam are a good example of guys who check it all out and make their own mind up, you might not agree with them but at least they have the stones to make there own mind up whats good and whats not. There is also a rare third breed who know you have some interesting stuff but there ego wont let them check them out as they dont want to admit to not knowing something.

basicly who cares funk is just part of the soul genre and northern cherry picks from all over that genre as well as from some totaly bizzare non soul genres

Bloody hell, I think he's got it..............a fair description of NS if ever i heard it !!!!!.

Russ

Edited November 19, 2007 by Russ Vickers

[jocko]

Having read only half this thread (reading backwards and scanning some very quickly admittedly) this is the most pertinent post and assuming I am right in what I think I get in Mr Sunnys drift the most accurate!! This is one of the many debates that cant really be answered there are 47,000 views on what Northern is these days so to throw a 47,001st definition in doesnt really get us any further forward does it!!

[Guest Russ Smith]

Take note, James !

Edited November 19, 2007 by Russ Smith

[jocko]

I am seriously starting to think I am on the wrong scene, and the Lunatics are taking over etc!

Modern and moderately funky tracks belong in the Modern or Funk room. End of Story!

Some of the tracks mentioned were tracks that had developed the way Northern/Motown SHOULD have developed. Keeping that dancing feel and slowly evolving. Thats why some 70ts tracks CAN be called Northern.

But modern and funk are not, and never will be Northern soul.

However, I can respect others views, but that is the sort of night I would never go to.

Okay maybe a bit more in this thread than I first thought, maybe need to waste some of my working day tomorrow reading this a bit more, in meantime however, not sure I get above.

What Northern scene are you talking about here Brian, I was pretty active on going out from 79-95 and what highlighted above in red was a huge part of my experience of the Northern scene, I assume your timespan was different so therefore are you saying that your experience is more valid than mines??? Are you seriously saying that Black American music should have developed in a way to suit our narrow tastes with the second part.

I totally agree with Petes comments in other threads (maybe not quite so in this one) that if you only like 60's good on you, nobody should try and make you feel inferior for that, but the above basically says your experience is the only valid one!! Sorry mate, I spent many a good year with people, including unbelievably dedicated guys like Mr Thorley above, on a scene that we loved, you dont have the right to say its not valid. You have every right to say its not for you, or you dont like what these people made the scene, I certainly did around 95 when the hordes returned and turned it into the egotistical circus much of it is today.

You say you respect others views but the above clearly doesn't.

Edited November 19, 2007 by jocko

[Guest Russ Smith]

Keb started all this carry- on !

Edited November 19, 2007 by Russ Smith

[Ian Dewhirst]

Pete

You and I will never agree on this, and I'm sure we went to the Casino at the same time, some of the stuff you say isn't northern soul was played at Wigan and many other clubs as new tunes and was called 'Northern Soul', just cuz you don't like it and it dosn't fit your definition of 'Northern Soul', still doesn't mean it isn't. You didn't write the definition of what is, you can't re-write it. You will just have to accept you don't like all forms of Northern Soul, as it was originally played and termed.

The definition, as I remember was coined by Dave Godin, to discribe obscure/non-hit soul music being played in clubs in the North West. In his original definition, there was no mention of 60's only. Also by the time he used the term lots of 70's funky, Philly floating tunes were being played and fell under his decription.

The New definition (60's only) is Northern Soul, is a re-write by people who wish history hadn't happen the way it did cuz it dosn't fit the way they want the world to be.

Hope your having a good day.

Dave

And lest we forget wasn't it Dave Godin who coined the word 'Northern Soul' and then promply sold his (only) copy of the 'funky' "Your Autumn Of Tomorrow" to Colin Curtis?

Confused? Moi.....?

Ian D

[Greg Belson]

for me the best tunes are the ones that combine a soulful vocal with funk instrumentation, a great example would be leroy clofer 'mr big man'....

Personally I think that's a pretty average record that misses the mark of that 'crossover' potential. One record that succeeds perfectly is the Parisians on Demon Hot though.

But then again, my personal preference is always the rawer productions than the smoother mid 70's efforts - Leroy Clofer is '76 isn't it?

[Guest Russ Smith]

And lest we forget wasn't it Dave Godin who coined the word 'Northern Soul' and then promply sold his (only) copy of the 'funky' "Your Autumn Of Tomorrow" to Colin Curtis?

Confused? Moi.....?

Ian D

Has anybody located the real "Crow" to comment on the real Northern/Funk crossover sound ?

Edited November 19, 2007 by Russ Smith

[Ian Dewhirst]

Has anybody located the real "Crow" to comment on the real Northern/Funk crossover sound ?

I've got a feeling The Crow were a white garage band from the East Coast just to make things even more difficult LOL...........

Someone on here will know won't they.....?

Ian D

[Guest Russ Smith]

personally for me James

you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it swim

Vicki Anderson, Marva Whitney..

They could lead anything.

Probably good swimmers too !

Edited November 19, 2007 by Russ Smith

[Guest James Trouble]

personally for me James

you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it swim

But that's not the thread though is it Bearsy? It's not a "does Beasy like funk and can people try to pursuade him that he really does like funk but he just doesn't realise it".

Billy started it with "is there a place for funk on the northern scene?".

Quite plainly there is, has been and will be for as long as it is doing what makes it special, which is celebrating amazing genius that would otherwise have been left forgotten and unloved.

What more do you want other than people posting up examples out of that top 500 book thing, posting up quotes from respected scene members, posting up examples of current tunes that are concidered funk but that work on northern dance floors. Posting up examples of oldies that are funk, it can even be pointed out that the topic starter is often seen at allnighters dancing to funk.

Christ on a bike, I'm off to bed...

Edited November 20, 2007 by James Trouble

[Guest souldaddy]

all i know is that i'm grateful to be from and living in the usa...when i read these threads, i simply can't relate! me and my dj mates play the whole shebang! funk, deep funk, funky soul, soulful funk, modern funk, modern soul, modern northern soul, mod funk, mod soul, mod r&b, northern mod, soulful garage, mod garage with hammond organs, hammond organs with a pinch of motown-like soul, slightly motown funk with violins, otis redding remixed with northern drums, stax remixed to sound like it is northern, we play motown 45s from 1967, we play rockabilly, modern rockabilly, old rockabilly, pissedoff rockafunky, morown mod garage 45s, acetates with people talking on them,

but absolutely no 12 inches!!! they play 12 inches further down the road...what a sorry scene that is...no one knows how to dance to a 12 inch, put it on a non-funkynorhern dubplate and then we will, and only try at that, and only if the whiskey is strong...

an interesting debate for sure...

Edited November 20, 2007 by souldaddy

[macca]

what I find fascinating is how our tastes evolve over the years.

I've been listening to a lot of laura lee recently, her hotwax stuff, some

tremendously soulful material there. would she 'fit in' at northern venues?

[Guest Bearsy]

But that's not the thread though is it Bearsy? It's not a "does Bearsy like funk and can people try to pursuade him that he really does like funk but he just doesn't realise it". why cant people try and persuade me, thats what its about aint it, posting tunes up and giving the likes of me a chance to hear the tunes that you and others are saying are funk but accepted Northern and i dont even realise,

posting up examples out of that top 500 book thing, posting up quotes from respected scene members, posting up examples of current tunes that are concidered funk but that work on northern dance floors. Posting up examples of oldies that are funk, it can even be pointed out that the topic starter is often seen at allnighters dancing to funk. I want educating not patronising James, not ambarrassed about saying it either, im here to learn and i want to learn.

christ on a bike, I'm off to bed...

I know what the thread is and i said no and you said yes its as simple as that, you post on other peoples posts and i posted on yours and said that a tune didnt do it for me thats all, educate my ignorence, so far the tunes that are funk and been posted up on here have not done it for me but i might of danced or even enjoyed a funk tune without knowing it,

ps, its not your thread either

NORTHERN AND FUNK GO 2GETHER LIKE OIL AND WATER, IN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, MAYBY YOUNGER CROWD IN LONDON, BUT NOT NORTH OF THE WATFORD GAP, I DON'T THINK ITS GOT A PLACE AT A NIGHTER IN A SEPERATE ROOM, I HEARD FROM A FEW PEOPLE FEW DJS R PLAYING A FEW FUNKS INTO THEIR DJING, AND ITS CLEARING THE FLOOR SHOULD THEY CARRY ON AND MOVE FORWARD OR STOP IT YOUR VIEWS ON THIS IF POSSIBLE BILLY

Edited November 20, 2007 by Bearsy

[Guest]

what I find fascinating is how our tastes evolve over the years.

I've been listening to a lot of laura lee recently, her hotwax stuff, some

tremendously soulful material there. would she 'fit in' at northern venues?

No!!total "rip off"