Guest soulmaguk Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Can anyone help with this, there are two Art Freemans in the pictures below, look at the word VOCAL, they are in different places, is one a boot? Thanks. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Can anyone help with this, there are two Art Freemans in the pictures below, look at the word VOCAL, they are in different places, is one a boot? Thanks. No. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest soulmaguk Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 No. Thanks, one must be earlier than the other. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Thanks, one must be earlier than the other. Why? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest soulmaguk Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Why? well, if there being pressed on a machine, why go to all that bother changing the type set position, unless one batch were printed at a later date. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 well, if there being pressed on a machine, why go to all that bother changing the type set position, unless one batch were printed at a later date. As with many other major label 45s, the Art Freeman 45 was pressed at many different pressing plants around the US at the same time for different regional markets (instead of pressing all 45s at one plant and then shipping them out to all parts of the US). There are many variations of original Art Freeman 45s out there. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest soulmaguk Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 As with many other major label 45s, the Art Freeman 45 was pressed at many different pressing plants around the US at the same time for different regional markets (instead of pressing all 45s at one plant and then shipping them out to all parts of the US). There are many variations of original Art Freeman 45s out there. Thanks very much, was just beginning to think that. Thanks again. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 (edited) Can anyone help with this, there are two Art Freemans in the pictures below, look at the word VOCAL, they are in different places, is one a boot? Thanks. --- Hi This is the DEMO It looks like the Stock Copy on the left, However Different pressing plants were used. I'm not sure which of your copies is the rarest Label Variation. I must admit, that I haven't compared DEMO Label Variations. I'm just wondering if there there is, It sometimes happens. Edited November 15, 2007 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cheltsoulnights Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Hi This is the DEMO It looks like the Stock Copy on the left, However Different pressing plants were used. I'm not sure which of your copies is the rarest Label Variation. I must admit, that I haven't compared DEMO Label Variations. I'm just wondering if there there is, It sometimes happens. Good point only aware of the one demo label style and of course its pretty rare there is of course the red label issue to confuse you more personally im sticking with my test pressing which is blank on the slippin side and typed on the other Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 (edited) Good point only aware of the one demo label style and of course its pretty rare there is of course the red label issue to confuse you more personally im sticking with my test pressing which is blank on the slippin side and typed on the other Hi Pete A test pressing, now that is Mega Rare, nice one. The Red Label, again Mega Rare. When you consider the work that has gone into this release, no doubt just like any other. Makes you wonder at just why it is so rare, even on UK Red Atlantic. Not really a common record on any of the formats. An unusual release in this respect. I'd like to know how many of each format were made. A Brilliant record. Edited November 15, 2007 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cheltsoulnights Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Hi Pete A test pressing, now that is Mega Rare, nice one. When you consider the work that has gone into this release, no doubt just like any other. Makes you wonder at just why it is so rare, even on UK Red Atlantic. Not really a common record on any of the formats. Had a few red atlantics, the sound quality is not as good and i would guess they where all sticker demos originally Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete Eccles Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Hi This is the DEMO It looks like the Stock Copy on the left, However Different pressing plants were used. I'm not sure which of your copies is the rarest Label Variation. I must admit, that I haven't compared DEMO Label Variations. I'm just wondering if there there is, It sometimes happens. Just had a look at my DEMO and its the same layout as the other stock copy, with the VOCAL on the right. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Had a few red atlantics, the sound quality is not as good and i would guess they where all sticker demos originally Hi Pete I believe It has been stated that a lot of stuff on Red Atlantic was dubbed from a U.S.A. release. Possibly why the Sound Quality is not as good. I used to have it on Red Atlantic, a long time ago now though. Never had a realistic chance of another copy. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Just had a look at my DEMO and its the same layout as the other stock copy, with the VOCAL on the right. Thanks for that, I've often thought that each Pressing Plant would have the possible DEMO. I suppose they pressed as required at the Time. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Awake 502 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 A test pressing, now that is Mega Rare, nice one. Seen a few of these around, how rare is it do you think ? This one's mine...... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cheltsoulnights Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Seen a few of these around, how rare is it do you think ? This one's mine...... No idea. But rarer than any of the others by miles is your other side printed blank? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I'm gonna put a small spanner in the works here as I have a red Fame copy as already been mentioned here, my wife is asleep at the moment so I can't go and dig it out to scan, but on the flip side it says 'Plug Side' so from memory mines a red USA Fame demo, showed it to Mick Smith many years ago and he said it was a tuff copy to locate, has to be the hardest format second to perhaps the test pressing? Will scan both sides tomorrow and post so you can take a peek. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 The test pressings turned up mid 70s there were a few around for awhile (may of been from Soul Bowl) but now tucked away in collections gathering dust under beds & in attics. Would of thought the rarest would be the Italian pic Sleeve 45 Ian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I'm gonna put a small spanner in the works here as I have a red Fame copy as already been mentioned here, my wife is asleep at the moment so I can't go and dig it out to scan, but on the flip side it says 'Plug Side' so from memory mines a red USA Fame demo, showed it to Mick Smith many years ago and he said it was a tuff copy to locate, has to be the hardest format second to perhaps the test pressing? Will scan both sides tomorrow and post so you can take a peek. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Hi Mark Is the Red Fame Copy Vinyl or Styrene, Just wondering if this is an East Coast / West Coast difference. It has happened with some of the Other Labels where the West Coast press opts for a Coloured DEMO rather than White. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 Is the Red Fame Copy Vinyl or Styrene, It's styrene. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dr Pickles Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I've got a picture cover, Italian release on Atlantic of this. Is that legit? Cheers Doc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 There also exists a UK Atlantic white label test pressing with handwritten credits, that my mate Brad has. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I don't have the actual 45...but here's the Italian picture cover Doc mentioned Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dr Pickles Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 (edited) I don't have the actual 45...but here's the Italian picture cover Doc mentioned That's the one. Far too cheesy a cover for such a top tune. Doc Edited November 16, 2007 by Dr Pickles Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 It's styrene. Styrene, West Coast Monarch Pressing Plant I Reckon. That will be why it is So Rare, compared to the others. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 The test pressings turned up mid 70s there were a few around for awhile (may of been from Soul Bowl) but now tucked away in collections gathering dust under beds & in attics. Would of thought the rarest would be the Italian pic Sleeve 45 IanI've got a picture cover, Italian release on Atlantic of this. Is that legit? Cheers Doc I don't have the actual 45...but here's the Italian picture cover Doc mentioned Thanks John, when Ian & then Doc Mentioned It I thought I've Not seen that before, nice to see a scan. Another format, travelled the Globe, Yet still Rare. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 As promised the Red Fame scan both sides, note the 'Plug Side' ident on the flip...could this be a Red Demo???? the plot thickens. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 (edited) As promised the Red Fame scan both sides, note the 'Plug Side' ident on the flip...could this be a Red Demo???? the plot thickens. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Hi Mark I would say that your scan is an Extremely Rare West Coast DEMO. They did have the habit of Coloured DEMO's as opposed to White. I have had a look at the scans, I think that I can see a Monarch Matrix Stamp to the left of "AT" on the "Slippin' Around" side. As you know the Monarch press almost all are Styrene, However some are Vinyl with the Monarch Delta etc. Edited November 16, 2007 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
mshoals Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hi This is the DEMO It looks like the Stock Copy on the left, However Different pressing plants were used. I'm not sure which of your copies is the rarest Label Variation. I must admit, that I haven't compared DEMO Label Variations. I'm just wondering if there there is, It sometimes happens. Hasn't the white demo been booted? How can you detect if it's a genuine one? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) As promised the Red Fame scan both sides, note the 'Plug Side' ident on the flip...could this be a Red Demo???? the plot thickens. Regards - Mark Bicknell. It is Mark, I bought one of these (red Fame demo) in a collection a few years ago, yours is only the second one I've seen. Meanwhile... Edited June 30, 2008 by Pete S Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hasn't the white demo been booted? How can you detect if it's a genuine one? Booted twice actually, in both vinyl and then styrene. The vinyl ones look the part but lack the run off info of the original. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
mshoals Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Booted twice actually, in both vinyl and then styrene. The vinyl ones look the part but lack the run off info of the original. Thanks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 As promised the Red Fame scan both sides, note the 'Plug Side' ident on the flip...could this be a Red Demo???? the plot thickens. Regards - Mark Bicknell. I've not seen the red copies beofre. They are a handsome sight indeed. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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