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Guest Pete Griffin

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All i can say is, it depends how old you are, what part of the country your from, how far you travel, and how often do you go out to soul events ect.

There are loads of oldies that are new to me, play a oldie that is new to me, and a 45 plus person may say Stafford spin, wigan oldie ect, and a 18 - 30 year old, depending on if he goes to events a lot may never have herd it before.

You just cant win folks :lol:

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u wanna turn that i pod down in tescos mate!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

i was in there yesterday with it on again :no: its great some of the looks i get, i was singing along quite loud to The Optimistics well actually very loud :g:

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Just to be a pain - and I know we've done this before cos I started it, but....................... never mind the reactivation of oldies. How's about reactivating some of the hundreds of modern tunes that saw the light of day - or night, for a very brief spell in the 80's.

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:no: how very dare you now get back to wherever you just came from young man :g:

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Just to be a pain - and I know we've done this before cos I started it, but....................... never mind the reactivation of oldies. How's about reactivating some of the hundreds of modern tunes that saw the light of day - or night, for a very brief spell in the 80's.

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Way hey :lol:

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:lol: I hear you've been spinning a bit of moderrn recently Bearsy. Well done.

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thats how nasty rumours get started Peter :shhh::lol:

anyone that listens to anything that Simon M has to say must have nothing going for them in life and desperate for conversation, he is in a time warp and dont believe that the 1960s ever existed, i all i hear from him is that there are only 4 decades of soul and thats only by counting back from today :huh:

come on then lets have some cracking forgotten modern that you feel needs re-activating

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thats how nasty rumours get started Peter shhh.gif:huh:

anyone that listens to anything that Simon M has to say must have nothing going for them in life and desperate for conversation, he is in a time warp and dont believe that the 1960s ever existed, i all i hear from him is that there are only 4 decades of soul and thats only by counting back from today :shhh:

come on then lets have some cracking forgotten modern that you feel needs re-activating

how about James Gaylyn "You come first at last" RCA

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thats how nasty rumours get started Peter :shhh::lol:

anyone that listens to anything that Simon M has to say must have nothing going for them in life and desperate for conversation, he is in a time warp and dont believe that the 1960s ever existed, i all i hear from him is that there are only 4 decades of soul and thats only by counting back from today :huh:

come on then lets have some cracking forgotten modern that you feel needs re-activating

On a serious note Bearsy - I'm sure I read on some thread somewhere that you'd spun a few seventies or even eighties items? Have you any particular favourites? You can pm if you don't want to come out! ph34r.gif:lol:

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Its a b-side on RCA ...Robin played for it for a little while !

Those are exactly the tunes that I mean Simon - stuff that only got a little air time cos there was so much quality stuff about. I've forgotten hundreds of similar tunes - it's easier to recall some of the bigger tunes that were played for a little longer. sad.gif

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On a serious note Bearsy - I'm sure I read on some thread somewhere that you'd spun a few seventies or even eighties items? Have you any particular favourites? You can pm if you don't want to come out! :shhh::huh:

im not ready to come out yet Peter wicked.gif

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Guest in town Mikey

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I heard The Brothers at the night in Abergavenny recently.

Wouldnt be surprised to hear it at the Yate revival in Berkeley in a few weeks either.

Not sure that the current scene could put up with too many 'shufflers' these days.

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I agree there are some great sixties tunes that should be reactivated too - as many of you have said already not the same old same old stuff.

Take a listen to Pat Brady and Gary Rushbrookes 1980 wigan sets posted up earlier - there's some great stuff on there that could do with being spun again.

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Get your dictionary out & look up Northern Soul........you'll realise then that the whole point of the original scene was/is to find new tunes to play..........gets harder, thats why reactivations of interesting oldies is so vital too these day's. I dont think anyone is saying that the top 500 for want of a better expression, arnt on the whole good records, but do you really want to hear them out every week, to me this isnt a Northern Soul scene as it goes against every ethic, that the original pioneer DJ's & yes those at Wigan & all the venues from the 'golden era' were trying to acheive, along with some very hard working DJ's these day's. I have no problem with anyone wanting to listen to Frank Wilson until they are sick, but pse dont fob me off with venues playing this & the like constantly, as being the 'real' NS venues..............stay in ya time warp guys, I'll come & visit once a year & have a thoroughly good time, but the rest of the time i'll stick to the genuine article thank you . BTW 'Rare Soul Shite' was what this wonderful music of ours was known as prioir to the term NS, some on the scene prefer this term so as not to be asscotiated with what the rest of the world think is NS .

Keep the Faith....Okeh

Russ

I think you have completely missed the point of my post, or at least completely misunderstood what I posted mate :P

If you look back at what I said, it was go for a mix of old and new, but don't refuse to play something just because it's well known and don't just play something because it's rare and falls into the Soul genre (exercise some quality control over whether it is worth playing or not!)

I don't want to quibble here, but I'd argue the toss over what you reckon the "whole point of the scene is" (as you put it) - it wasn't ever to just find new tunes! It was because there was this magical, etherial music that existed that hadn't been heard widely before and it made your senses sing and just had to be danced to and enjoyed, once it had been discovered then the race was on to find how much more there was, so the discovering of new tunes comes secondary to the music that existed surely? :huh:

As for "Rare Soul Shite" I don't think I used that as an expression either :lol: What I said was just because something is Soul and is rare - it can still be shite (just look at modern :huh: )

I could be wrong but I always thought that the scene was "Northern" before it became "Rare", I thought the rare happened because of some of the inate snobbery on scene about some people wanting to distance themselves from manic dancers speeding off their tits in wierd clothes and wanted to introduce a more chin stroking element whistling.gif - some of us don't give a toss what the outside world thinks - the scene will always be Northern to me. But then again some of us aint snobs either :lol::shhh:

PS I looked up Northern Soul in the dictionary (as you suggested), but it don't exist mate :lol: ..........please don't suggest Wikipedia, otherwise it would just say "see Frank Wilson, The Twisted Wheel, Wigan Casino and Ian levine........oh and by the way it happened North of Watford" :lol:

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There are loads of little known and underplayed oldies,a lot were only played at one venue for a matter of weeks, and if you travelled around the country to different venues it would be mostly new to you.It's great to see small venues like the Attic Mansfield giving these records well deserved spins again. :thumbsup:

What about deactivating hammered oldies and djs play under played oldies that should have been played anyway :lol: .Work that one out :shades:

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What we 'oldies' have to understand, is that although the tracks that we call oldies were played to death in the 70s/80s, the 'new kids on the block' may never have heard them, so they will seem new to them. It's called the progression of the scene. There are lots of 'underplayed' records out there that could do wiith a 'reactivation' if this is the correct term. I myself believe that if a record didn't stand the test of time back in the day by only being played for a few weeks, they can't be a memorable as the ones that still get hammered after 30 years or so. Saying that, times and tastes do change and some tracks that were not popular back then, might sound a lot better now on hearing them years later.

Only my opinion though.

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Just to be a pain - and I know we've done this before cos I started it, but....................... never mind the reactivation of oldies. How's about reactivating some of the hundreds of modern tunes that saw the light of day - or night, for a very brief spell in the 80's.

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Bang on Peter - keep yer eyes peeled.

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Bit of a racy title, but "Girls with the Big Black Boots" the Paramonts/Paramounts (too early!) was spun around twice at Wigan early 74.

This is top class northern. However it was swamped by the sheer amount of new stuff being played.

Because it was only played twice, no one remembers it, so it will never be a reactivated oldie.

How many of these are out there from the Torch/Mecca/Casino? Hundreds.

Can't someone do some research, take some time over it, and do a night, or a spot of this type of record. Not a Dave Evison unusual oldie spot, but a thought out, well promoted spot.

Probably get denounced here, but I for one would be there.

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I think you have completely missed the point of my post, or at least completely misunderstood what I posted mate :lol:

If you look back at what I said, it was go for a mix of old and new, but don't refuse to play something just because it's well known and don't just play something because it's rare and falls into the Soul genre (exercise some quality control over whether it is worth playing or not!)

I don't want to quibble here, but I'd argue the toss over what you reckon the "whole point of the scene is" (as you put it) - it wasn't ever to just find new tunes! It was because there was this magical, etherial music that existed that hadn't been heard widely before and it made your senses sing and just had to be danced to and enjoyed, once it had been discovered then the race was on to find how much more there was, so the discovering of new tunes comes secondary to the music that existed surely? :wub:

As for "Rare Soul Shite" I don't think I used that as an expression either :( What I said was just because something is Soul and is rare - it can still be shite (just look at modern :lol: )

I could be wrong but I always thought that the scene was "Northern" before it became "Rare", I thought the rare happened because of some of the inate snobbery on scene about some people wanting to distance themselves from manic dancers speeding off their tits in wierd clothes and wanted to introduce a more chin stroking element :lol: - some of us don't give a toss what the outside world thinks - the scene will always be Northern to me. But then again some of us aint snobs either :lol::lol:

PS I looked up Northern Soul in the dictionary (as you suggested), but it don't exist mate :g: ..........please don't suggest Wikipedia, otherwise it would just say "see Frank Wilson, The Twisted Wheel, Wigan Casino and Ian levine........oh and by the way it happened North of Watford" laugh.gif

I dont want to make a 'big issue' out of any of this & Im sure you are a top bloke..........but you really seem to have some, what you call 'snobbery' issues..........I just dont get it, why some people have to look down there noses on the people who really care about the scene & desperately spend a lifetime searching new tunes, some they get right others they dont, its happened on the scene since day One..........oh well, BTW i have no probs with a selection of plays in sets regardless of wether there considered oldies or newies, just put some thought into it.

Dont want this to degenerate into the usual shambles, because people wont except what is 100% fact & that is the original Northern Soul Scene was not about listening to 'played' out oldies over & over again.............you can call people, you can refuse to listen to thier point of view, you can do naked flick flacks for all i care, but you can never ever get away from the truth.

Russ

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Bit of a racy title, but "Girls with the Big Black Boots" the Paramonts/Paramounts (too early!) was spun around twice at Wigan early 74.

This is top class northern. However it was swamped by the sheer amount of new stuff being played.

Because it was only played twice, no one remembers it, so it will never be a reactivated oldie.

How many of these are out there from the Torch/Mecca/Casino? Hundreds.

Can't someone do some research, take some time over it, and do a night, or a spot of this type of record. Not a Dave Evison unusual oldie spot, but a thought out, well promoted spot.

Probably get denounced here, but I for one would be there.

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absolutely bang on brian

trouble is mate,,doing a forgotten oldies spot is like doing a newies spot if u have a room full of punters who dont go very often..

you have to rely on the odd one striking a cord with someone and the word spreading

this has worked for me at the Marrs Barr allniter where ive managed to pull a few from forgotten obscurity...lost family,little beaver.jackie edwards and indeed the paramounts etc...plus a few of my instrumentals of course!

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I dont want to make a 'big issue' out of any of this & Im sure you are a top bloke..........but you really seem to have some, what you call 'snobbery' issues..........I just dont get it, why some people have to look down there noses on the people who really care about the scene & desperately spend a lifetime searching new tunes, some they get right others they dont, its happened on the scene since day One..........oh well, BTW i have no probs with a selection of plays in sets regardless of wether there considered oldies or newies, just put some thought into it.

Dont want this to degenerate into the usual shambles, because people wont except what is 100% fact & that is the original Northern Soul Scene was not about listening to 'played' out oldies over & over again.............you can call people, you can refuse to listen to thier point of view, you can do naked flick flacks for all i care, but you can never ever get away from the truth.

Russ

Vic, I think you are misunderstanding me for comic effect now :lol:

The snobbery issues I alluded to aren't with regards to me looking down my nose at anyone mate (I'm as common as muck, so trust me I couldn't be a snob if I tried!), I don't have a fraction of the Northern "knowledge" that many of the SS members have on here, so I couldn't be a snob. I aren't a DJ nor am I a vinyl collector - I'm a dancer and a NS appreciator that's all :yes:

The snobbery I mentioned, is to do with the fact that there seems to be an elitist faction on the NS scene these days who give derisery scoffs at classic Northern sounds because (in their words) they are "pop", "played out" or "beneath them to play them" :lol: , which is why I said "once a great NS tune, always a great NS tune".

With regards to those who are still hunting out new stuff, then all power to their elbow and I for one would applaud them, as they are keeping the scene fresh and alive, I most definately wouldn't look down my nose at them, as I said they will have a vastly superior knowledge to me, so I couldn't.

.....and I like your style with regards to a DJ set of "just put some thought into it" :ohmy:

But you have confused me with your last paragraph, I don't think I said that the original NS scene was about listening to played out oldies again and again - I think I said it was about appreciating this newly discovered music, so I think we are both coming from the same direction, but maybe just not getting our points across very well? :D

as regards to me being a top bloke, thank you very much I'm sure we both are mate :P

"Keep on, keeping on" wink.gif

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Vic, I think you are misunderstanding me for comic effect now :ohmy:

The snobbery issues I alluded to aren't with regards to me looking down my nose at anyone mate (I'm as common as muck, so trust me I couldn't be a snob if I tried!), I don't have a fraction of the Northern "knowledge" that many of the SS members have on here, so I couldn't be a snob. I aren't a DJ nor am I a vinyl collector - I'm a dancer and a NS appreciator that's all :D

The snobbery I mentioned, is to do with the fact that there seems to be an elitist faction on the NS scene these days who give derisery scoffs at classic Northern sounds because (in their words) they are "pop", "played out" or "beneath them to play them" :ohmy: , which is why I said "once a great NS tune, always a great NS tune".

With regards to those who are still hunting out new stuff, then all power to their elbow and I for one would applaud them, as they are keeping the scene fresh and alive, I most definately wouldn't look down my nose at them, as I said they will have a vastly superior knowledge to me, so I couldn't.

.....and I like your style with regards to a DJ set of "just put some thought into it" :unsure:

But you have confused me with your last paragraph, I don't think I said that the original NS scene was about listening to played out oldies again and again - I think I said it was about appreciating this newly discovered music, so I think we are both coming from the same direction, but maybe just not getting our points across very well? :no:

as regards to me being a top bloke, thank you very much I'm sure we both are mate laugh.gif

"Keep on, keeping on" :lol:

I think you are right.............I just get very frustrated sometimes, because to me NS has to be fresh & exciting & part of that is hearing new sounds for the first time or being reminded of great tunes from the past that havnt been over played...........I do not think that NS 'oldies' are bad records in them selves & I sometimes think people get the wrong end of the stick here........most are great records, but clever DJ's will 'rest' records so they dont get thrashed & therefore lose there appeal or dig deeper to find the ones we've almost forgotten............maybe Im being too much of an idealist & I know it takes 'all sorts'..........I just know in the next few weeks Ill get a tap on the shoulder from some one saying why are you dancing to blah, this is an 'oldie'....& it'll probably be you :D .

Russ

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