Gil Scott Heron - Bottle

[Ernie Andrews]

Hi - an anyone tell me the difference between the original on Strata east and the boot please- I always thought that the originals had a cerated edge but I saw a mates one a couple of nights ago that wasnt and was different to the boot i saw afew years ago

[Chalky]

Hi - an anyone tell me the difference between the original on Strata east and the boot please- I always thought that the originals had a cerated edge but I saw a mates one a couple of nights ago that wasnt and was different to the boot i saw afew years ago

as described by JM....the original has the uk style anti slip grips round the edge, the counterfiet is an exact copy without the anti slip grips.

Edited November 11, 2007 by chalky

[Richard]

this is the french picture sleeve

[Guest soulmaguk]

have a look at mine from 1998.

[Cunnie]

Have a listen to the remix (if you dare )

[Richard]

I dared, part of me was glad I did and the other part wasn't

[Val (Chunky)]

There are also two different intro's on Strata East.....one has a 'drunken' intro

[Jerry Hipkiss]

There are also two different intro's on Strata East.....one has a 'drunken' intro

...and don't forget the live version on a UK Arista 7"!

[Sebastian]

...and don't forget the live version on a UK Arista 7"!

...and also available on US Arista 7" and 12".

[Sunnysoul]

And Belgium pic sleeve similar to the French ...

[Northern Soul Uk]

And 'Champagne' records 12" single. worth about £30, and this must be the most expensive copy I've ever seen of this record, check this out.

https://www1.gemm.com/item/GIL--SCOTT--HERO...E/GML760481718/

Either a mistake or a p**s take

Edited November 13, 2007 by steveluigi

[Guest noss]

There are also two different intro's on Strata East.....one has a 'drunken' intro

the drunken intro is on the LP version.

[Val (Chunky)]

the drunken intro is on the LP version.

I have it on the 7" ......I must admit I was quite surprised when I played it. I've had a few Strata East copies but none with the drunken intro' before.

The best version for me is 'The Bottle' part 2 on the Arista 7"

[Guest]

I need to update the info on the 45 as it was documented 10 years ago or more. and will be in the next guide out in the spring.

Anti-slip UK style grips around the label is the FRENCH press.

The USA original the matrix reads:

matrix reads: small # 75 hold this @ 12 o'clock position, @ the opposite 6 o'cklock position the longer matrix reads SES 19742-45 A

[Soul Shrews]

And Belgium pic sleeve similar to the French ...

In so much as its just as silly. A different design to the French one tho. Posted a picture of it in the 1st picture sleeves thread a while ago. On holiday right now but I'll post it up again when I get home (unless someone beats me to it). Doesn't feature the "drunken" intro like the LP version but it doesn't fade out like the US 45 so I guess is a more "full" version Cheers Paul

[Barry]

There is an original US Arista 12" promo with two other artists on the flip - goes for around £30/40 - the one to have in my book - it has been booted too.

[Barry]

The 'Drunken' edit that appears on the Champagne release has been edited awfully.

[Barry]

Last one - also beware the Arista 12" with The Bottle on the B side, the 'Live version', that I see on Ebay a lot, the sellers always shy away from stating that their 12" is just that, a 'Live version'.

Someone always falls for paying through the nose for it.

Edited November 15, 2007 by Barry

[Soul Shrews]

There is an original US Arista 12" promo with two other artists on the flip - goes for around £30/40 - the one to have in my book - it has been booted too.

But Barry the original is on Strata East label not Arista and it came out a couple of years before the 1st 12 inchers ( shurely, hic ) Cheers Paul

[Barry]

But Barry the original is on Strata East label not Arista and it came out a couple of years before the 1st 12 inchers ( shurely, hic ) Cheers Paul

Correct, but in my wisdom I prefer what comes out of the speakers to the paying public - and that 12" sounds sooooo much better than the Strata release.

[Barry]

But Barry the original is on Strata East label not Arista and it came out a couple of years before the 1st 12 inchers ( shurely, hic ) Cheers Paul

I apologise, I see where you get your post from, I should have said 'official' Arista 12" release shouldn't I?

You're so picky.

[Soul Shrews]

Correct, but in my wisdom I prefer what comes out of the speakers to the paying public - and that 12" sounds sooooo much better than the Strata release.

I see whatcha mean Barry Cheers Paul

[Barry]

I see whatcha mean Barry Cheers Paul

I suppose the Arista promo 12" was the first issue of the mix in it's entirety - I may be wrong.

[Northern Soul Uk]

Did the track also came out an the 'B' side of 'Space shuttle'?, I have it on a promo 12", seem to think it was but without hunting for it for an hour I can't remember.

Edited November 15, 2007 by steveluigi

[Barry]

Did the track also came out an the 'B' side of 'Space shuttle'?, I have it on a promo 12", seem to think it was but without hunting for it for an hour I can't remember.

I have the 12" issue of SS - and I'm sure it wasn't on that, again, I may be wrong - something tells me it might have been on the flip of the 7".

It might have been on the promo, I don't know, you're prob right.

Edited November 15, 2007 by Barry

[Soul Shrews]

Did the track also came out an the 'B' side of 'Space shuttle'?, I have it on a promo 12", seem to think it was but without hunting for it for an hour I can't remember.

99% sure you're right steveluigi I've got one myself but I'm not at home now to check, think its the full version too. Cheers Paul

[Barry]

Good old Gil - still keeping us up chatting.

[Soul Shrews]

Good old Gil - still keeping us up chatting.

Cheers Paul

[Steve G]

...and also available on US Arista 7" and 12".

...and UK Arista 12 The latest remix uses the Arista version.

However despite the harsh words it's a classic record in it's own right.

[Northern Soul Uk]

...and the most international record ever, it's been played on the Northern scene, the Jazz funk scene and the House scene, and it's still being played to this day. MASSIVE!!!

[ChrisOD1964]

Have a listen to the remix (if you dare )

and i dared

[Northern Soul Uk]

Yes I thought so, here is the copy of 'Space shuttle' that includes 'The Bottle', came out in 1990 on 'Castle communications' records (GIL TY 003). Not the drunken mix, starts of with the count up in french, full version though. Sorry about the Blurredness, was having a shufty at the same time .

[Paulw]

I think it's been up on here before but this is worth seeing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I54DgVennXU

[Val (Chunky)]

I think it's been up on here before but this is worth seeing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I54DgVennXU

Thanks for posting that link up. The clip is 'kin brilliant....just watching & listening to it I was thinking it is one of those record that stands the test of time. I think it would have to be in my top 20 soul records.

[sister dawn]

and i dared

me too f...ing brill

[Northern Soul Uk]

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Edited November 20, 2007 by steveluigi