Rhino Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) it was before my time and am not gonna slag of the casino and the part it played in making the scene what it is today but people always seem 2 always seem 2 say that if you didnt go 2 the casino u have never experinced true nothern soul allnighter. why did the scene seem 2 stop after after it closed was it down 2 lack of venues/police please let me know ur opinion on why it seems that the scene has never recovered 2 the hights since the casino closed Edited October 26, 2007 by rhino Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
mischief Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Rhino, I 'm to young to have gone.. but I think it may not be that people haven't moved on, its just that for a lot of people it was there youth and when you think about it that was when you had more "fun".. maybe that is the reason why people talk about it so much.. I don't know... I have had a scooter and been to untold rallies in the last 11/12 years and had some real good times but when I look back to when I was 17-18 on my scooter - no money - no comitment - living at home... seems that the things i did then are the memories I look back on now.. maybe its we take what we do now for granted and will only apreciate it when we look back.. (bloody hell where Trevski.. hes the preacher not me.. i'm outta here better go to the pub) but hopefully you get me drift... bye Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Lloydee Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 ............ please let me know ur opinion on why it seems that the scene has never recovered 2 the hights since the casino closed Marraige, babies, mortgage, proper job, kids at school, kids at Uni, moving house/s, cars, more babies............... All this and where were we supposed to fined the time in the 8t's to go out on Friday and Saturday. So it all comes down to LIFE. I wouldn't worry about the Casino, I never went; mainly because there were other All-nighters that were better Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Nostalgia mainly...I never went but am similarly nostalgic about old mod rallies and soul events of the 80s...it's about looking back at what a great time you had in your younger years...I've got a young family now but I still get out from time to time so all the excuses about family etc being why people missed 20 years really don't wash. Why not just come clean and say you got bored of it,preferred Duran Duran and had a few years off rather than blaming the kids Truth is a large proportion of so called ex wiganites only ever went once or twice, bought a couple of cds in the 90s from Asda and now think they're the founding fathers of rare soul music.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 why did the scene seem 2 stop after after it closed was it down 2 lack of venues/police please let me know ur opinion on why it seems that the scene has never recovered 2 the hights since the casino closed The scene definately didn't stop after it closed, in my opinion it got better. What followed over the next few years after 1981 was a real 'back to soul basics scene' a purification that burnt out all the old chaff that had existed at the end of Wigan. Definately no lack of venues or dedicated soulies after Wigan closed, see thread on the 80s started by Daz. By the way can you use to/two/too instead of 2? It's hard to read your post Cheers Matt Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Marraige, babies, mortgage, proper job, kids at school, kids at Uni, moving house/s, cars, more babies............... All this and where were we supposed to fined the time in the 8t's to go out on Friday and Saturday. So it all comes down to LIFE. I wouldn't worry about the Casino, I never went; mainly because there were other All-nighters that were better wigan was an education for me..i had been to other smaller allniters in the bedford\leicester area.(nite spot,bedford.oddfellows,leicester,st neots,)but the casino was a different class altogether.with a few friends i had been to friday nite oldies,and saturday regular oldiesz\newies mix,and it was altogether a whole new world to us..late 1970's.maybe a little past its prime,but still so many new sounds that it blew our socks off.it really was an experience for our generation(i am now 46!!)and the atmosphere once tasted will never,ever be repeated..not saying it was the best allniter event ever.but definitely a way of life for some.at the time,the biggest and the best without question...controversial...? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest bazabod_downunder Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I have to agree with Steve, 'that there were better alnighters', I think the crutch of the matter is that although before it we had The Wheel, The Torch, VaVa's & so on, Wigan is the most well known Northern Soul Venue & to some it epitomises Northern Soul, towards the end it had lost its shine to alot of people due to the crap that was being played purporting to be 'soul'...I mean 'Theme from Joe 90'...come on! Wigan Casino undoubtably played a HUGE part in the scene & is/was responsible for a lot of people discovering or continuing their love affair with the best genre of music in the world (IMO, undoutably shared by whoever is reading this). As quite rightly said, to some it did die after the Casino closed, what with life commitments, relationships, mortgages & so on....but we're still here talking about aren't we?...& so is the music, stonger, better, more diverse than ever. Baz ) wigan was an education for me..i had been to other smaller allniters in the bedford\leicester area.(nite spot,bedford.oddfellows,leicester,st neots,)but the casino was a different class altogether.with a few friends i had been to friday nite oldies,and saturday regular oldiesz\newies mix,and it was altogether a whole new world to us..late 1970's.maybe a little past its prime,but still so many new sounds that it blew our socks off.it really was an experience for our generation(i am now 46!!)and the atmosphere once tasted will never,ever be repeated..not saying it was the best allniter event ever.but definitely a way of life for some.at the time,the biggest and the best without question...controversial...? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest martyn Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Marraige, babies, mortgage, proper job, kids at school, kids at Uni, moving house/s, cars, more babies............... All this and where were we supposed to fined the time in the 8t's to go out on Friday and Saturday. So it all comes down to LIFE. I wouldn't worry about the Casino, I never went; mainly because there were other All-nighters that were better Can't quite see how you knew other nighters were better if you never went ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) it was before my time and am not gonna slag of the casino and the part it played in making the scene what it is today but people always seem 2 always seem 2 say that if you didnt go 2 the casino u have never experinced true nothern soul allnighter. why did the scene seem 2 stop after after it closed was it down 2 lack of venues/police please let me know ur opinion on why it seems that the scene has never recovered 2 the hights since the casino closed 1- The Casino for the first 12 months imo was the best ever Nothern Soul venue ever. 2- Imo the Scene did recover after the casion closed 3- Folk who are of an age that expereinced the Casino should feel privaleged though to the best of my knowledge Ive never suggested to anyone "if you didn't go blah blah blah" however Ive heard many folk slag the old stompng palace off who never actually went, strange. Edited October 27, 2007 by PaulDonnelly Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest the dukester Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Can't quite see how you knew other nighters were better if you never went ? COMPARISON..A word rarely used on here Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest soulmaguk Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 you guys wanna speak with Tony Davis (the Newquay Weekender organiser) he told me that he stopped going to the Casino in '76' i think he said because it got too poppy! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 you guys wanna speak with Tony Davis (the Newquay Weekender organiser) he told me that he stopped going to the Casino in '76' i think he said because it got too poppy! 77 it got very poppy, we stopped going in 78-9, preffering the 6Ts scene in London which was more authentic. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sanquine Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I have happily moved on having gone to the Casino in the late 70's the "Poppy" yrs - (Steve) I can honestly say that no other venue has ever come close for the atmosphere - Main hall something else - stomping in "Mr M's sweat drippin' from ceiling" the big extended family which is still here today, the queuing, pushing with bag in one direction n you another. My most nostalgic memory is closing my eye's for half an hour on M's Balcony n awakening to the intro of "Ronnie & Robyn" - what is there left to say....... Karen Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest nubes Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 3- Folk who are of an age that expereinced the Casino should feel privaleged though to the best of my knowledge Ive never suggested to anyone "if you didn't go blah blah blah" however Ive heard many folk slag the old stompng palace off who never actually went, strange. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) Nostalgia mainly...I never went but am similarly nostalgic about old mod rallies and soul events of the 80s...it's about looking back at what a great time you had in your younger years...I've got a young family now but I still get out from time to time so all the excuses about family etc being why people missed 20 years really don't wash. Why not just come clean and say you got bored of it,preferred Duran Duran and had a few years off rather than blaming the kids Truth is a large proportion of so called ex wiganites only ever went once or twice, bought a couple of cds in the 90s from Asda and now think they're the founding fathers of rare soul music.... Nail-on-head time there Reg! (plus boots from eBay) . Usually acompanied by 'traditional' northern soul dress i.e. baggies and vest/bowling shirt. Traditional? Where did that one come from? Seen the aforementioned outfit mentioned as traditional in a few posts. The scene has been going nigh on 40yrs, the 'traditional uniform' was worn for a brief periond of about 5 yrs between '71 and '76. pretty much died a death after that with most people, so how can it be traditional? Furthermore, at the time it was current fashion, not 30 year old fashion! Those wearing it today have probably returned to it, pretty much as they have returned to the 'wigan oldies' they now can't get enough of. Where were they thru' the '80's and '90's? I loved Wigan, but I also loved my three-wheeler bike, the lone Ranger, and playing marbles. The time has past, move on! Edited October 27, 2007 by Trevski Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Nail-on-head time there Reg! (plus boots from eBay) . Usually acompanied by 'traditional' northern soul dress i.e. baggies and vest/bowling shirt. Traditional? Where did that one come from? Seen the aforementioned outfit mentioned as traditional in a few posts. The scene has been going nigh on 40yrs, the 'traditional uniform' was worn for a brief periond of about 5 yrs between '71 and '76. pretty much died a death after that with most people, so how can it be traditional? Furthermore, at the time it was current fashion, not 30 year old fashion! Those wearing it today have probably returned to it, pretty much as they have returned to the 'wigan oldies' they now can't get enough of. Where were they thru' the '80's and '90's? I loved Wigan, but I also loved my three-wheeler bike, the lone Ranger, and playing marbles. The time has past, move on! Sez Trev,with is crombies and stuff..........move on!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) Sez Trev,with is crombies and stuff..........move on!! Ken, that is 'traditional' wear in it's truest sense. The Crombie coat has been a staple of English gentlemen's wardrobe for 2 centuries.(the skinheads didn't invent it...) It is timeless, classic elegance, which is why Jeff Banks, Ted Baker, Paul Smith, etc. are all selling them in their latest collections. Couldn't be more 'up to the minute' really.! Edited October 27, 2007 by Trevski Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Ken, that is 'traditional' wear in it's truest sense. The Crombie coat has been a staple of English gentlemen's wardrobe for 2 centuries.(the skinheads didn't invent it...) It is timeless, classic elegance, which is why Jeff Banks, Ted Baker, Paul Smith, etc. are all selling them in their latest collections. Couldn't be more 'up to the minute' really.! Timeless you make me laugh who wants to look like the tailor in mr Ben,dont wear none of the above,might have a P Smith somewhere but up to date.........next you`ll lookin`down on us normal folk.You can take your middle/upper class none fashion and shove it!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
chrissie Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) Nostalgia mainly...I never went but am similarly nostalgic about old mod rallies and soul events of the 80s...it's about looking back at what a great time you had in your younger years...I've got a young family now but I still get out from time to time so all the excuses about family etc being why people missed 20 years really don't wash. Why not just come clean and say you got bored of it,preferred Duran Duran and had a few years off rather than blaming the kids Truth is a large proportion of so called ex wiganites only ever went once or twice, bought a couple of cds in the 90s from Asda and now think they're the founding fathers of rare soul music.... Wash your mouth out young woman, I sold my soul to Punk in about 1977 after spending a couple of years in London with people who were in the music business and introduced me to it...........Siouxsie Sioux has a lot to answer for. When I got back from London I helped promote a local punk band who went on to grerater things, one of them I am now doing some promting work with at the moment. The punk years were as much fun as the early wigan years but in a totally different way. Until I came "home" to soul I sort of wandered in the wilderness of music from about 1982 across all genres except for that Duran Duran Ultravox type stuff. I never went back to Wigan after I moved to London the first time in about 76, and to be honest never really felt I was missing anything, always thought I had experienced the best years. QoFxx Edited October 27, 2007 by chrissie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest biggray1 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Ya cant talk all day about The Casino but if ya aint bin then you aint missed owt,music was ok sometimes!!but a lot of times when new stuff was played like Footsee and its F..kin likes wich was force fed to the dancers it really was time to pack it in,the true story is that the place was a Dump,all the owner and his gang wanted Max profit before the Bubble burst..filthy boggs,discusting Carpets covered in all sorts a crap,bits fallin from the roof onto the dance floor,stinking wallpaper hangin of etc..It really does sound like the Birthplace of Northern Soul dont it...Personely when i see People dressed in their Northern soul gear it reminds me of seeing The Teddy boys dressed in them long coats drainpipes and Beetlecrushers wich i laughed at... The Casino has gone...Thank you...and good riddence..Imo ofcourse. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winnie :-) Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Where are all these posts saying if you didn't go to wigan you aren't into northern? It's a fabrication. The posts I see far more regularly are from those whinging and bleating because they didn't go to Wigan and want todays scene to be better, because it's their time now. The truth is its not going to be better, which is why those that went think it was so great, but postings saying you don't know what you're talking about, because you didin't go to wigan are as rare as Frank Wilson, or should I say one of Butch's cover ups to be more in vogue?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) Wash your mouth out young woman, I sold my soul to Punk in about 1977 after spending a couple of years in London with people who were in the music business and introduced me to it...........Siouxsie Sioux has a lot to answer for. When I got back from London I helped promote a local punk band who went on to grerater things, one of them I am now doing some promting work with at the moment. The punk years were as much fun as the early wigan years but in a totally different way. Until I came "home" to soul I sort of wandered in the wilderness of music from about 1982 across all genres except for that Duran Duran Ultravox type stuff. I never went back to Wigan after I moved to London the first time in about 76, and to be honest never really felt I was missing anything, always thought I had experienced the best years. QoFxx Ha ha...I didn't mean you Chrissie...I know a lot of people went down the punk route after Wigan...I just find it a bit tiresome that people use their families as an excuse for not going to soul events...I didn't go out much on the soul scene for a while in the 90s and the main reason was I'd got bored with it all..I like other types of music and got more into watching bands and going to other kinds of nights. After a few years of going to occasional soul nites at Blackburn and places like that Mike Warby and co started the Hideaway and I got back into it all and it was fresher than ever! I've got 3 children now, I'm skint and babysitters are like golddust but I still get out once or twice a month. As I said previously I think a lot of people who have returned to the scene after a long break seem to feel that they have to justify their absence when nobody really cares if you went to Wigan, Stafford or anywhere else. My husband knows more about soul music than most people I know and he's 26 years old and wasn't even born when Wigan was running Edited October 27, 2007 by reg Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Joefromupnorth Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Why are some folk so pre-occupied with whats worn at our events ????........do they secretly wish they could wear some of the stuff mentioned but wives/girlfriends won't allow em ???......i say wear what you want its still a fairly free country and if you feel comfortable in the style of clothes you wore 30 years ago wear em....lets face it theres not much going for the shirt hanging out look the majority wear today. The scene in my book had imo the smartest dressed youth ever back in the early 70's , baggies included.... the clothes, casino and the whole scene melted into one for me and nostalgia does play a massive part in why places like the casino are still mentioned......some moved on when it closed some drifted away but a fair few are back now for more and should be able to go unmollested verbally.....of course theres those that want to look as they are still young and fashionable and buy into that look but thats their choice....me i choose to tuck my shirt in , i was taught that at an early age and it stuck lol. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winnie :-) Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Why are some folk so pre-occupied with whats worn at our events ????........do they secretly wish they could wear some of the stuff mentioned but wives/girlfriends won't allow em ???......i say wear what you want its still a fairly free country and if you feel comfortable in the style of clothes you wore 30 years ago wear em....lets face it theres not much going for the shirt hanging out look the majority wear today. The scene in my book had imo the smartest dressed youth ever back in the early 70's , baggies included.... the clothes, casino and the whole scene melted into one for me and nostalgia does play a massive part in why places like the casino are still mentioned......some moved on when it closed some drifted away but a fair few are back now for more and should be able to go unmollested verbally.....of course theres those that want to look as they are still young and fashionable and buy into that look but thats their choice....me i choose to tuck my shirt in , i was taught that at an early age and it stuck lol. ================ That's the million dollar question and never been answered satisfactorally as far as I can recall Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I don't have a problem with 'Wigan Casino' being part of the scene's history, I attended the venue many times and have some good memories of the place but they are just that memories, what I do have a problem with is the constant reference to the place as being the holy grail of Northern Soul venues and the constant milking of that eight year period to promote some events on today's scene by has-been or never will be's who contribute nothing directly to the scene now and who basically use the 1973 - 81 period as a way to feather their own nests now, sure celebrate the music of the past at Oldies events but why rape the very Soul of the Casino and all that was good to come out of that venue and period, some fantastic music which should be celebration in it's self without this old hat 'Keep The Faith', 'Brothers and Sisters' bullshit that continues on the current scene, respect to those who contribute, attend, and try to keep things fresh and bugger the rest as I'm simply not interested in the past or rather the past glories of one or two people who have lived off a period in the scenes history for the past 26 years and who either don't understand or wish to be part of the Northern scene circa 2007, treating this scene like a product rather than a passion is at best insulting, 'Keep The Faith' to be honest I'd rather share it thanks....lol Regards - Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest andrew bin Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Why are some folk so pre-occupied with whats worn at our events ????........do they secretly wish they could wear some of the stuff mentioned but wives/girlfriends won't allow em ???......i say wear what you want its still a fairly free country and if you feel comfortable in the style of clothes you wore 30 years ago wear em....lets face it theres not much going for the shirt hanging out look the majority wear today. The scene in my book had imo the smartest dressed youth ever back in the early 70's , baggies included.... the clothes, casino and the whole scene melted into one for me and nostalgia does play a massive part in why places like the casino are still mentioned......some moved on when it closed some drifted away but a fair few are back now for more and should be able to go unmollested verbally.....of course theres those that want to look as they are still young and fashionable and buy into that look but thats their choice....me i choose to tuck my shirt in , i was taught that at an early age and it stuck lol. spot on, there are a few on here that seem obsessed about the clothes people wear, live and let live, FFS i never went to wigan but like most people i know quite a few that did go and they loved it and i'm sure that if i had gone there i would have loved it also Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest nubes Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 ================ That's the million dollar question and never been answered satisfactorally as far as I can recall You are Winnie....it hasnt...on the whole...i dont care what people wear...however...i did draw the line when some of the lads during the 80s... started wearing short shorts...no tops...white socks and broques..because just like the Mini skirt...not everyone could carry it off ...but on the whole ...wear what the fcuk you feel comfy in.....and to get back on thread...Reg...the 80s was possibly the last time there was a traditional network...so many people who came off the scene at that stage...did put their families first and foremost...and left their souling years behind in order to settle down..so dont be so hard on those who left the scene after Wigan shut...this probably accounts for the amount of divorced soulies coming back onto the scene..during the 90s etc...me..however kept resolutely single..throughout the 80s.....although enjoying many a liasons along the way and partied hard!!!!!...Delxxx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Joefromupnorth Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I don't have a problem with 'Wigan Casino' being part of the scene's history, I attended the venue many times and have some good memories of the place but they are just that memories, what I do have a problem with is the constant reference to the place as being the holy grail of Northern Soul venues and the constant milking of that eight year period to promote some events on today's scene by has-been or never will be's who contribute nothing directly to the scene now and who basically use the 1973 - 81 period as a way to feather their own nests now, sure celebrate the music of the past at Oldies events but why rape the very Soul of the Casino and all that was good to come out of that venue and period, some fantastic music which should be celebration in it's self without this old hat 'Keep The Faith', 'Brothers and Sisters' bullshit that continues on the current scene, respect to those who contribute, attend, and try to keep things fresh and bugger the rest as I'm simply not interested in the past or rather the past glories of one or two people who have lived off a period in the scenes history for the past 26 years and who either don't understand or wish to be part of the Northern scene circa 2007, treating this scene like a product rather than a passion is at best insulting, 'Keep The Faith' to be honest I'd rather share it thanks....lol Regards - Mark Bicknell. Mark I agree 100% with you , but to clarify to all reading my first post on the subject , i just feel we all should leave everyone else to enjoy what they get from the scene , punters i mean......and not condemn or even tongue in cheek ridicule for whatever reason.......if folk want to talk about the past it can't hurt surely....we all know we are here and now. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billywhizz Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 it was before my time and am not gonna slag of the casino and the part it played in making the scene what it is today but people always seem 2 always seem 2 say that if you didnt go 2 the casino u have never experinced true nothern soul allnighter. why did the scene seem 2 stop after after it closed was it down 2 lack of venues/police please let me know ur opinion on why it seems that the scene has never recovered 2 the hights since the casino closed imo 1st 12 monts of the casino nothing 2day can compare it. wen the casino close down northern got stronger to many clubs to mention 1 come to mind yates. spread the faith dont keep it. billy (imo only) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Mark I agree 100% with you , but to clarify to all reading my first post on the subject , i just feel we all should leave everyone else to enjoy what they get from the scene , punters i mean......and not condemn or even tongue in cheek ridicule for whatever reason.......if folk want to talk about the past it can't hurt surely....we all know we are here and now. Joe, I'm not suggesting to not talk or discuss the past, the scene's history is far too rich in some outstanding music to do that, I simply stated that some of the 'Golden Cow's' including 'Wigan Casino' have been well and truely milked dry over the years and it is that I have a problem with, nostalgia is part of the scene by the very nature of the music I just wish that the current scene could be promoted in the now rather than feeeling that by association with the 'Casino' or day's gone by that this somehow makes current venues somehow ok and accepted, should the scene not be powerful enough now to stand up on it's own merrits circa 2007 rather than thinking that the good old days were somehow better? Regards - Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
chrissie Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 imo 1st 12 monts of the casino nothing 2day can compare it. wen the casino close down northern got stronger to many clubs to mention 1 come to mind yates. spread the faith dont keep it. billy (imo only) I have to agree with you, I went from late 73 till I moved to London early 76, and felt it was on a slippery slope even that early on and never once did I feel I was missing anything or the yearning to travel back there. I do feel privileged to of been part of the very early days but certainly do not regret moving on from it and experiencing other music such as punk, punk may not of been to everyone's liking but it certainly gave the record industry the kick up the pants it needed in the mid to late 70s and as it moved on as a scene it seem to merge with the mod scene with the likes of the Jam/Alarm etc which comes full circle back to soul in some ways. Wigan was great in the early years but from what I can see and I hear it just became a money venture for a few people who thought they owned the Soul Scene, I am glad I stopped going when I did as I may of become as cynical as others instead I just feel lucky that I was there in the best years QoFxx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Joefromupnorth Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Joe, I'm not suggesting to not talk or discuss the past, the scene's history is far too rich in some outstanding music to do that, I simply stated that some of the 'Golden Cow's' including 'Wigan Casino' have been well and truely milked dry over the years and it is that I have a problem with, nostalgia is part of the scene by the very nature of the music I just wish that the current scene could be promoted in the now rather than feeeling that by association with the 'Casino' or day's gone by that this somehow makes current venues somehow ok and accepted, should the scene not be powerful enough now to stand up on it's own merrits circa 2007 rather than thinking that the good old days were somehow better? Regards - Mark Bicknell. Now then Mark....Put the last point across badly , i knew what you meant Mark ,you have my agreement there........ my points were more an addition to my first post and as a comment on some of the previous posts to my own.....apologies for that........ive always just used the site over the years as a reference and event guide etc , now ive joined and i should'nt have started writing i feel as i dislike the politics side but have often wanted to give my oppinion on things ive read....hope it does'nt become a habit .......keep up the good work you do for the scene Mark. regards Joe Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
grant Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 best all-niter i ever went to, f****n awesome, nuff said, if u never managed to get there your loss Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Seaman Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 i have been told by a very reliable source that i went to the Casino from 73 till 80 and NOW your telling me they played music there !!!!! FFS what next Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
grant Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 i have been told by a very reliable source that i went to the Casino from 73 till 80 and NOW your telling me they played music there !!!!! FFS what next took u 7 yrs to stop goin then Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) Timeless you make me laugh who wants to look like the tailor in mr Ben,dont wear none of the above,might have a P Smith somewhere but up to date.........next you`ll lookin`down on us normal folk.You can take your middle/upper class none fashion and shove it!! Would rather look like Mr Ben himself, actually. Looks like a little John Steed,Very smart! (the shopkeeper is more your stature Ken.) Edited October 27, 2007 by Trevski Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Why are some folk so pre-occupied with whats worn at our events ????........do they secretly wish they could wear some of the stuff mentioned but wives/girlfriends won't allow em ???......i say wear what you want its still a fairly free country and if you feel comfortable in the style of clothes you wore 30 years ago wear em....lets face it theres not much going for the shirt hanging out look the majority wear today. The scene in my book had imo the smartest dressed youth ever back in the early 70's , baggies included.... the clothes, casino and the whole scene melted into one for me and nostalgia does play a massive part in why places like the casino are still mentioned......some moved on when it closed some drifted away but a fair few are back now for more and should be able to go unmollested verbally.....of course theres those that want to look as they are still young and fashionable and buy into that look but thats their choice....me i choose to tuck my shirt in , i was taught that at an early age and it stuck lol. Old proverb: "Looking stout, hang it out, Looking thin, tuck it in! " Trevski-shirt-tucked-in-H Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Joefromupnorth Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Old proverb: "Looking stout, hang it out, Looking thin, tuck it in! " Trevski-shirt-tucked-in-H Bloody hell this bloke knows his stuff !!!!!......i'll ask pete ( spot) to introduce us next middleton you'll see that your bang on in my case !!!!....lets see if its true with the "preacher man" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Would rather look like Mr Ben himself, actually. Looks like a little John Steed,Very smart! (the shopkeeper is more your stature Ken.) I like the tailor,John Steed retro rubbish grow up and move on.....bet you stand in front of the mirror with your BB gun,keep dreamin`Trev.See thousand upon thousand of your city gent types down here,hardly original is it.And hardly a propper gent among em`. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Would rather look like Mr Ben himself, actually. Looks like a little John Steed,Very smart! (the shopkeeper is more your stature Ken.) Thought he looked like them old McDougall's flour shakers meself. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Thought he looked like them old McDougall's flour shakers meself. Maybe Trev can get one,keep his suply of talc in. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Bloody hell this bloke knows his stuff !!!!!......i'll ask pete ( spot) to introduce us next middleton you'll see that your bang on in my case !!!!....lets see if its true with the "preacher man" Tis true Joe! 28" round the middle, Tuck it in! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Tis true Joe! 28" round the middle, Tuck it in! 28 inch waist...are you sure you aren't Brett in disguise I'm very jealous Maybe if I stopped having babies for 5 minutes I'd look half decent in a circle skirt.... Or maybe not Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) I like the tailor,John Steed retro rubbish grow up and move on.....bet you stand in front of the mirror with your BB gun,keep dreamin`Trev.See thousand upon thousand of your city gent types down here,hardly original is it.And hardly a propper gent among em`. You seem to be at odds with yourself Ken, (not unsusual) Are you saying that the thousand upon thousand of 'city gents' are not grown up either? Make your mind up. As for hardly original, didn't say it was. I said classic and timeless, and the thousands upon thousands are proof of that. It's quintessentialy* English, and as an Englishman, I'm proud of that! * quintessential |ˈkwɪntɪˌsɛnʃ(ə)l| adjective representing the most perfect or typical example of a quality or class : Edited October 27, 2007 by Trevski Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 You seem to be at odss with yourself Ken, (not unsusual) Are you saying that the thousand upon thousand of 'city gents' are not grown up either? Make your mind up. As for hardly original, didn't say it was. I said classic and timeless, and the thousands upon thousands are proof of that. It's quintessentialy* English, and as an Englishman, I'm proud of that! * quintessential |ˈkwɪntɪˌsɛnʃ(ə)l| adjective representing the most perfect or typical example of a quality or class : You said it class,snobbery i think thats called. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) You said it class,snobbery i think thats called. My god! I agree with you Ken, you peasant! Anyway, less of the "John Steed retro rubbish" You've been doing the "Eric Bristow retro rubbish" look for years! Edited October 27, 2007 by Trevski Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 You are Winnie....it hasnt...on the whole...i dont care what people wear...however...i did draw the line when some of the lads during the 80s... started wearing short shorts...no tops...white socks and broques..because just like the Mini skirt...not everyone could carry it off ...but on the whole ...wear what the fcuk you feel comfy in.....and to get back on thread...Reg...was possibly the the 80s last time there was a traditional network...so many people who came off the scene at that stage...did put their families first and foremost...and left their souling years behind in order to settle down..so dont be so hard on those who left the scene after Wigan shut...this probably accounts for the amount of divorced soulies coming back onto the scene..during the 90s etc...me..however kept resolutely single..throughout the 80s.....although enjoying many a liasons along the way and partied hard!!!!!...Delxxx I know Del but my beef is that leaving the scene wasnt always just because of kids...people left and it's only now they've come back that they sayi t's cos of the family even though there was probably years in between their last Wigan/Mecca and getting attached. Why don't people just say that they got bored and fancied a change? If you want to go to soul dos you go...there's plenty of skint people on the scene who are testament to that...or just admit you spent the 80s sipping spritzers at the local wine bar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark B Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I know Del but my beef is that leaving the scene wasnt always just because of kids...people left and it's only now they've come back that they sayi t's cos of the family even though there was probably years in between their last Wigan/Mecca and getting attached. Why don't people just say that they got bored and fancied a change? If you want to go to soul dos you go...there's plenty of skint people on the scene who are testament to that...or just admit you spent the 80s sipping spritzers at the local wine bar wasnt neccessarilly boredom just people growing up and drifting away, remember when it all started for me in 1972 i was fifteen by the time i had drifted away in 79/80 i was 23, friends had got married and moved on blacpool mecca had closed (my favoutite soul night) wigan was in the throes of closing cleethorpes had closed, did not get into the punk scene but did dally with the jazz funk scene(too handsome to be a punk ), but the excitement had gone from the music you have to remember in the 70's there was something on everyweek not just on fridays and saturdays but tuesdays thursdays sundays. i preferred cleethorpes as an all nighter to wigan, but you cant take it away from wigan it was a great place but as for discoveries in the music you struggle to beat ian levine and colin curtis in the heydays of blackpool mecca. the difference for me when i got back into northern was that i when i go out i want to hear stuff i have not heard before of for a long time and there is a lot still to hear thanks to stafford and 100 club and anywhere else i havent mentioned, the nostalgia side for me is not just the music but meeting old friends again and making new friends like you and richard all the manchester crowd and people from further afield like brett and shane them funny southern types like ken . i met my wife karen in 1982 and got married in 1984 and she had no idea about northern soul and just kept on at me to get rid of those records that were cluttering up the back bedroom , and to be honest i thought it had all but dissapeared. my brother used to buy me the the compilation albums for christmas and birthdays in the early 90's and then he told me he had bumped into al jackson and tony jackson ross and imelda at hyde botanical club, so i phoned tony and the rest is recent history as they say that was in about 1995 wigan was what it was a great place for music excitement and meeting people from all over the country, but for me there were better soul nights. mark Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest nubes Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 [...or just admit you spent the 80s sipping spritzers at the local wine bar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Byrney Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 I know Del but my beef is that leaving the scene wasnt always just because of kids...people left and it's only now they've come back that they sayi t's cos of the family even though there was probably years in between their last Wigan/Mecca and getting attached. Why don't people just say that they got bored and fancied a change? If you want to go to soul dos you go...there's plenty of skint people on the scene who are testament to that...or just admit you spent the 80s sipping spritzers at the local wine bar I know what you mean Reg, why can't some people admit that they just wanted a break, nowt wrong with that (I won't use the term Holiday - apparently from the 80s thread that's a no no). I'll go first. Being a Nott's lad and having been going to nighters weekly for 16 years, travelling to venues from London to Scotland; in 1994 with no family, no wife and no career then so to speak of I just wanted something new and the underground Dance Music scene offered me it . Tin hat on Having done at least one event a week for all them years quite simply I just had enough of the scene, not the music the scene There, that's better. Very cathartic, more should try it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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