Modernsoulsucks Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Had a quick look at this and don't buy the argument that disco, esp as typified by compilation Ian posted, was a "natural" progression on from 60's soul aimed at the dance floor. Unfortunately I know bugger-all about 70's in depth but those of you on here who are into that era probably have "dance" records made in that period that can't be descibed as disco. Would something like Nathan Williams fall in that period. I'd contend that disco is a kinda hybrid mixing soul/R&B with pop and other influences which I would say was similar to late 60's Motown where Gordy tried to sell straight into the pop charts rather than aiming at the R&B market first. Im not saying that there weren't soulful disco 45s produced but as a general term it is not synonymous with Black Music and in fact brought about it's rather dubious reputation by re-working unsuitable material into a disco style. Having said that I have fond memories of "Theme from a Summer Place" [76?] on Columbia I think than Levine spun once or twice at the Mecca. Whilst Im actually thinking about disco played on the scene it didn't really mix too well with the 60's did it? Not talking Carstairs early era here but the whole Salsoul "Before 3001" or whatever schtick. I mean didn't Colin sorta segregate "Cheatin Kind" etc into the last half-hour when the Mecca really got into it. ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Una Scot-Oz Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 The meaning of Disco for me is - the stuff I used to dance to when I left the UK and had no other choice! I heard Gill Scott - Heron once in Holland, the locals thought we were American because of our dance steps! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) Edited October 15, 2007 by Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Wasn't this played at the Casino? "You + Me" by undisputed truth. Not that it bothers me and not that I'd know unless someone told me, but it does seem to be important to alot of people. As long as it was played at the the Casino they like it and it can't be disco. People are funny, like complicated sheep with bad manners Bad Manners played that two-tone-ska-punk-type stuff. Try to keep up and be a bit more accurate please. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest WPaulVanDyk Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Disco to me is 2 things 1. Cheesy stuff ie Bee Gees, Blondie, Pop Muzik and whoever else at the time wanted to make a disco record to get in on the thing 2. Soul artists who at the time maybe went on and progressed with what was happening ie The Isley Brothers had already been on Motown, done some funk but surely in the late 70's and early 80's although still making soul records had thought of doing disco - It's a Disco Night is a cracking tune. I love many disco tunes Hold Back The Night, Young Hearts Run Free etc as much as i love Jimmy James and the Vagabonds (some might call disco crap) but the best of them all is The Real Thing who i love disco at his best however i can't help but notice people have slated disco yet they are slating chic who are pure class with there funky bass lines and stuff and need i go I could say about KC and the Sunshine band pure legends and again Queen of Clubs a Wigan Play out, Give It Up was my fav But my all time fav disco tune is always Len Boone - Love Won't Be Denied which i love the 12" then the 7" version (harder to find) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Disco to me is 2 things 1. Cheesy stuff ie Bee Gees, Blondie, Pop Muzik and whoever else at the time wanted to make a disco record to get in on the thing 2. Soul artists who at the time maybe went on and progressed with what was happening ie The Isley Brothers had already been on Motown, done some funk but surely in the late 70's and early 80's although still making soul records had thought of doing disco - It's a Disco Night is a cracking tune. I love many disco tunes Hold Back The Night, Young Hearts Run Free etc as much as i love Jimmy James and the Vagabonds (some might call disco crap) but the best of them all is The Real Thing who i love disco at his best however i can't help but notice people have slated disco yet they are slating chic who are pure class with there funky bass lines and stuff and need i go I could say about KC and the Sunshine band pure legends and again Queen of Clubs a Wigan Play out, Give It Up was my fav But my all time fav disco tune is always Len Boone - Love Won't Be Denied which i love the 12" then the 7" version (harder to find) All I have to say on this subject is ....... ARTHUR BAKER . Possibly the man more responsible for changing the face and sound of D***O , and giving it respectabilty ...... Top Man ...... Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Stubbsy Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) OMG i have this on original 12inch I must confess to lovin this choon reminds me of my youth. I will have to wear a horse hair shirt and whip myself every day now to purge myself of this evil!!!! Nowt to be ashamed of Helen, I've got original 12 inch of Taste Of Honey - Boogie Oogie Oogie IMO great in it's day! See you've got TOTS included in your event. Take it that is current Luton and not TOTS as was in Southend?Now that was a disco Edited October 14, 2007 by Stubbsy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest souldancer Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Now this is interesting. This website has a list of disco songs from 1976. I've pasted all the ones that I remember hearing at soul nights or allnighters at the time and I have to say I'm pretty amazed! I haven't included disco tunes that I liked and bought at the time or that I just remember, only the ones I heard played out at soul venues. Maybe you could add more to the list? I think there are a few errors in the list however, and I've commented on those I'm not sure about. Here's the site https://www.discosavvy.com and here's the list - haven't even checked the years either side yet! Alvin Cash - "Ali Shuffle" Aquarian Dream - "East 6th Street" Aquarian Dream - "Phoenix" Bebu Silvetti - "Spring Rain" - reached #39 Pop in the USA in March 1977; theme song to the television game show "The Love Experts" with Bill Cullen (Didn't know that!) Benny Troy a.k.a. Benny Mardones - "I Wanna Give You Tomorrow" Black Soul - "Black Brothers" - electro-disco (could be Black Soul by Black Soul maybe?) Blood Hollins - "Don't Give It Up" Brass Construction - "Ha Cha Cha (Funktion)" The Brothers - "Were You Ready For That" ( Are you ready For This maybe?) Candi Staton - "Young Hearts Run Free" Carl Davis and the Chi-Sound Orchestra - "Windy City Theme" Claudja Barry - "Sweet Dynamite" Cleveland Eaton - "Bama Boogie Woogie" Cloud One - "Atmosphere Strutt" D.C. LaRue - "Cathedrals" Double Exposure - "My Love is Free" Double Exposure - "Ten Percent" Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band - "Cherchez la Femme" Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band - "I'll Play the Fool" Evelyn Thomas - "Doomsday" (!) Family Affair - "Love Hustle" Five Special - "The More I Get To Know You" Gentlemen and their Lady (featuring Danny Mitchell) - "...Like Her!" Jean Carn - "If You Wanna Go Back" Juggy Murray Jones - "Inside America" Larry Page Orchestra - "Erotic Soul" Magic Disco Machine a.k.a. Motown Magic Disco Machine - "Back to Bach" (what on earth...? not Control tower then?) Millie Jackson - "House for Sale" Miroslav Vitous - "New York City" The Moments - "Nine Times (Disco Version)" The Originals - "Down to Love Town" Rare Pleasure - "Let Me Down Easy" The Rimshots - "Do What You Feel" Roberta Kelly - "Trouble Maker" Rose Royce - "Car Wash" Tavares - "Don't Take Away the Music" Tavares - "Heaven Must Be Missing An Angel" The Temprees - "I Found Love on a Disco Floor" Thelma Houston - "Don't Leave Me This Way Tyrone Ashley - "Feet Start Moving"(!) Vicki Sue Robinson - "Turn the Beat Around" Walter Murphy - "A Fifth of Beethoven" Walter Murphy - "California Strut" We sure played a lot of disco in Northern Soul clubs back in the day Godz What an absolutely cracking list, and the prime example on the whole, of what the majority who enjoy dancing to Soulful Disco are referring to. Thankyou Godz. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest souldancer Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 northern soul stompers 130 bpm disco stompers 130 bpm if ya can dance that is....just made with 10 years apart...made by the same people who made "northern" in the 60's....but who just kept moving and didnt keep still to the beat of the past. That's exactly how it is.....spot on. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Byrney Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 ARTHUR BAKER . Top Man ...... Malc Burton Absolutley. But not just for his disco productions; for Hip Hop, electro etc he was one of the leading lights. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Disco to me is 2 things 1. Cheesy stuff ie Bee Gees, Blondie, Pop Muzik and whoever else at the time wanted to make a disco record to get in on the thing Believe me this is not disco Would you consider Wigans Ovation and Nosmo King as the epitome of northern soul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Believe me this is not disco Would you consider Wigans Ovation and Nosmo King as the epitome of northern soul How can you say that? The Bee gees absolutely epitomised disco at the time. It's ok saying in hindsight that they weren't - but they were! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ric-tic Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 How can you say that? The Bee gees absolutely epitomised disco at the time. It's ok saying in hindsight that they weren't - but they were! the bee gees wernt disco in the u.k or the u.s to quote Judy Weinstein from the new york record pool 'then saturday night fever came along and all hell broke loose and it was the beginning of the end for disco....i mean the bee gees wernt disco'..... in the 70s and you wanted to hear good underground disco and the bee gees were on you f you were in the wrong club, i disco d.j ed in liverpool at that time and no bee gees records graced my turntable Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Saturday Night Fever has (naturally) been mentioned a few times on this thread, and maybe this deserves to be discussed seperately, but have you all seen the original X rated version with the drug taking, adult language and exploitative sex? It's actually a great film and John Travolta gives a fine performance as the central character who has a fairly bleak existence with a crap job and a disfunctional family. Contrary to most people's image of a disco movie, the film is often downbeat and it makes sense that the Travolta character would want to escape from the depressive reality of his life to seek sanctuary in the false glitz and glamour of the disco scene, where he also commands a respect that he will never do in the outside world. Whatever you do make sure you see the uncut version rather than the edit they released as an AA (over 16 or over 14 if accompanied by an adult) version. Barry "Godz" Norman Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 the bee gees wernt disco in the u.k or the u.s to quote Judy Weinstein from the new york record pool 'then saturday night fever came along and all hell broke loose and it was the beginning of the end for disco....i mean the bee gees wernt disco'..... in the 70s and you wanted to hear good underground disco and the bee gees were on you f you were in the wrong club, i disco d.j ed in liverpool at that time and no bee gees records graced my turntable I'm not on about underground clubs. To the world out there, disco is what was in the charts. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
oldsteve woomble Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I'm not on about underground clubs. To the world out there, disco is what was in the charts. But using the same logic, to the world out there Wigan Casino and 'Northern Soul' was Footsee, Wigan's Ovation & those geezers prancing about on Top Of The Pops............. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest garv Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Saturday Night Fever has (naturally) been mentioned a few times on this thread, and maybe this deserves to be discussed seperately, but have you all seen the original X rated version with the drug taking, adult language and exploitative sex? It's actually a great film and John Travolta gives a fine performance as the central character who has a fairly bleak existence with a crap job and a disfunctional family. Contrary to most people's image of a disco movie, the film is often downbeat and it makes sense that the Travolta character would want to escape from the depressive reality of his life to seek sanctuary in the false glitz and glamour of the disco scene, where he also commands a respect that he will never do in the outside world. Whatever you do make sure you see the uncut version rather than the edit they released as an AA (over 16 or over 14 if accompanied by an adult) version. Barry "Godz" Norman I think the film was based on a guys experiences of the original mod scence in London,i`m sure i read that somewhere. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I think the film was based on a guys experiences of the original mod scence in London,i`m sure i read that somewhere. Wiki has the version I'm familar with: Tribal Rites of the New Saturday Night was the title of a 1975 New York Magazine article by British rock journalist Nik Cohn. It was the basis for the plot and characters in the movie Saturday Night Fever. Originally, the article was published as a piece of factual reporting. However, around the time of the twentieth anniversary of the film, Cohn revealed that the article was actually a work of fiction. Assigned to write an article about the early 1970s disco scene, Cohn, a newcomer to the United States, was baffled by the working-class subculture he was trying to cover. In desperation, he created the characters that were to become Tony Manero and company But as Cohn was a Brit he could have easily incorporated stuff he knew about as you suggest Garv. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rudzy Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 David K - Cheer Up Syrup current disco fave of mine at the moment Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 But using the same logic, to the world out there Wigan Casino and 'Northern Soul' was Footsee, Wigan's Ovation & those geezers prancing about on Top Of The Pops............. Also on a really knowledgable soul forum surely the majority of the posters are a bit more clued up than to say Boney M and The Bee Gees are what disco is all about Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Epic Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 the music is crud.. Never thought such a comment could give us nearly five pages of debate............... I invite Moldie to sum up the whole topic - in his own witty,well informed & forthright manner. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Did you know that this year, scientists created a sheep with 15% human organs in it? If these sheep evolve like scientist hope the prospect of sheep organs being transplanted into humans will become a reality. Eventually scientists will be able to precisely match a sheep to a transplant patient, using their own stem cells to create their own flock of sheep. Could you imagine, a whole flock of Back Door Kennys... Pigs have been used for a long time with organ transplants, my dad was one of the first to actually in the world to have the drums of his ears replaced with the pigs ear drums 10 years ago, there was some complications at first with the transplants but in general the operation was ok, he needs to go back in for another op now as the right one has a bit of crackling in it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Pigs have been used for a long time with organ transplants, my dad was one of the first to actually in the world to have the drums of his ears replaced with the pigs ear drums 10 years ago, there was some complications at first with the transplants but in general the operation was ok, he needs to go back in for another op now as the right one has a bit of crackling in it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Never thought such a comment could give us nearly five pages of debate............... I invite Moldie to sum up the whole topic - in his own witty,well informed & forthright manner. Dont worry epic ,moldie had a 200 box of disco last time he DJ'd some people see it as good PR to dis' disco Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
ImberBoy Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Godzilla, sorry first of all for copying a bit of what you said. This bit......... "the Travolta character would want to escape from the depressive reality of his life to seek sanctuary in the false glitz and glamour of the disco scene" You see this is the rub, whilst most where escaping crap jobs and the like by going to the disco I went a little further. I went a lot further in fact, I stole into the night passed the crushed velvet jackets, the chicken in a basket, the disco ball, the baby cham and the Friday night slapper with too much make up and too much larger, I embraced a secret music that was not the main stream, I gave my soul and let the music become part of my DNA. I watched my mates go for the quick fix; I watched with a feeling of belonging as an underground music movement wrapped me in its arms and gave me a different perspective on life. I became aware of so many different things and I am not ashamed to say it shaped my life. What did my pals get out of disco, well some got married, some got nasty little rashes but that was about it? It was as disposable as a Bic razor. I suppose that's why DISCO is a dirty word? To compile the odd list of decent dance tracks is one thing but to say DISCO has depth (I know you didn't say this) compared to the Northernsoul Scene will take more than a few danceable tracks. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Epic Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Dont worry epic ,moldie had a 200 box of disco last time he DJ'd some people see it as good PR to dis' disco Prefer to listen to good PIR meself Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 But using the same logic, to the world out there Wigan Casino and 'Northern Soul' was Footsee, Wigan's Ovation & those geezers prancing about on Top Of The Pops............. Maybe but there was only one Wigan Chosen Few record and two Wigans Ovation record, however the amount of disco records in the charts between 75 and 79 must run into hundreds...oh and like it or not, half the people of my age on this site will have seen that dancing on Top Of The Pops and been blown away by it, I was! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Also on a really knowledgable soul forum surely the majority of the posters are a bit more clued up than to say Boney M and The Bee Gees are what disco is all about This really is a unbelievable argument, walk down any street and ask some people what disco is, they are going to say the records that they remember from the charts in the 70's like Boney M and the Bee Gees, not some obscure club records, ask me what a disco record is I'll say it's Dance Yourself Dizzy, Ring My Bell, Knock On Wood by Ami Stuart, cos thats what disco music was, shit music played in shit 'normal' discos, it wasn't thought of as some incredible underground cult like Northern Soul and thats why it is a dirty word today, because MAINSTREAM disco music is exactly what Moldie said it was - crud. Why attempt to change history... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 This really is a unbelievable argument, walk down any street and ask some people what disco is, they are going to say the records that they remember from the charts in the 70's like Boney M and the Bee Gees, not some obscure club records, ask me what a disco record is I'll say it's Dance Yourself Dizzy, Ring My Bell, Knock On Wood by Ami Stuart, cos thats what disco music was, shit music played in shit 'normal' discos, it wasn't thought of as some incredible underground cult like Northern Soul and thats why it is a dirty word today, because MAINSTREAM disco music is exactly what Moldie said it was - crud. Why attempt to change history... Pete, by no means trying to change history but as you well know there is a mainstream element and an underground element. The two are worlds apart, but some are seeming to have a problem seeing that you need to scratch the surface to get rid of the crud and bring out the good stuff. Same can be said of most genres - are only the Ska/Reggae tunes that charted the only ones that excist and were they the truly the best that were released and wasn't there any cash in Ska and Reggae sound alikes that were truly bad? Did mods only listen to The Who and Small Faces? Skinheads in the 70/80's listen only to Oi? Could Disco Duck really be disco?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) No backing out of that statement now However, do you know Pete, as I was copying the list I was thinking about some of the 70s tunes you've admitted liking and I came to exactly the same conclusion. Honestly. And I think I do too Godz As Tony has said above, the production values where very much the same. Sledge hammer beat, puchy horns, big string arrangement, powerful vocals, all done with little finess (and that's not a negative). In short 70's stompers (as they were indeed called by some at the time they were played). Where as many of what is termed crossover/modern soul, is slower, often guitar or keyboard lead, vocals are more often than not more subtle, often closer to deep soul style. So I can see full well why 60's northern fans would prefer one over the other. Different strokes for different folks. Edited October 14, 2007 by Dave Thorley Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 As Tony has said above, the production values where very much the same. Sledge hammer beat, puchy horns, big string arrangement, powerful vocals, all done with little finess (and that's not a negative). In short 70's stompers (as they were indeed called by some at the time they were played). Where as many of what is termed crossover/modern soul, is slower, often guitar or keyboard lead, vocals are more often than not more subtle, often closer to deep soul style. So I can see full well why 60's northern fans would prefer one over the other. Different strokes for different folks. Thats just about a perfect explanation as to why I can get on with some 70's, modern, whatever and not others. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Thats just about a perfect explanation as to why I can get on with some 70's, modern, whatever and not others. Glad to be of service. How's record sales young man, did you ever get your self hooked up with Gemm Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Never thought such a comment could give us nearly five pages of debate............... I invite Moldie to sum up the whole topic - in his own witty,well informed & forthright manner. im not saying another word on the subject..im aleady to blame for 5 pages..i need to keep my mouth shut Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Glad to be of service. How's record sales young man, did you ever get your self hooked up with Gemm Dave Record sales excellent at the moment Dave but only because I picked up a neat collection recently...normally it's pretty average. I tried Gemm but couldn't get on with it to be honest...made my brain hurt Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Dont worry epic ,moldie had a 200 box of disco last time he DJ'd some people see it as good PR to dis' disco oi simon..its wasnt disco at all..it was quality 70,s soul...with a touch of 80,s and 90,s thrown in moldie..the worlds leading authority on crud and everything cruddy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Byrney Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Godzilla, sorry first of all for copying a bit of what you said. This bit......... "the Travolta character would want to escape from the depressive reality of his life to seek sanctuary in the false glitz and glamour of the disco scene" You see this is the rub, whilst most where escaping crap jobs and the like by going to the disco I went a little further. I went a lot further in fact, I stole into the night passed the crushed velvet jackets, the chicken in a basket, the disco ball, the baby cham and the Friday night slapper with too much make up and too much larger, I embraced a secret music that was not the main stream, I gave my soul and let the music become part of my DNA. I watched my mates go for the quick fix; I watched with a feeling of belonging as an underground music movement wrapped me in its arms and gave me a different perspective on life. I became aware of so many different things and I am not ashamed to say it shaped my life. What did my pals get out of disco, well some got married, some got nasty little rashes but that was about it? It was as disposable as a Bic razor. I suppose that's why DISCO is a dirty word? To compile the odd list of decent dance tracks is one thing but to say DISCO has depth (I know you didn't say this) compared to the Northernsoul Scene will take more than a few danceable tracks. Can't compare the UK Disco scene as I know nothing about it, however I know of many whom the Northern Soul scene was just as disposable as you note the Disco scene to be. For example 1978 I was on a double decker bus full of "soulies" going to Notts Palais alldayer, there must have been 30 odd of us, 3 years later just me left; they'd all dropped off because it was no longer the fashion. What did they get out of Northern? They've probably got similar rashes I always think we romanticise the Northern Scene as a way of life and for some it is, however a lot of people took Northern Soul as just that, a night out like the chap in Saturday Night Fever, a chance to escape the mundane Monday to Friday Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) Godzilla, sorry first of all for copying a bit of what you said. This bit……… "the Travolta character would want to escape from the depressive reality of his life to seek sanctuary in the false glitz and glamour of the disco scene" You see this is the rub, whilst most where escaping crap jobs and the like by going to the disco I went a little further. I went a lot further in fact, I stole into the night passed the crushed velvet jackets, the chicken in a basket, the disco ball, the baby cham and the Friday night slapper with too much make up and too much larger, I embraced a secret music that was not the main stream, I gave my soul and let the music become part of my DNA. I watched my mates go for the quick fix; I watched with a feeling of belonging as an underground music movement wrapped me in its arms and gave me a different perspective on life. I became aware of so many different things and I am not ashamed to say it shaped my life. What did my pals get out of disco, well some got married, some got nasty little rashes but that was about it? It was as disposable as a Bic razor. I suppose that's why DISCO is a dirty word? To compile the odd list of decent dance tracks is one thing but to say DISCO has depth (I know you didn't say this) compared to the Northernsoul Scene will take more than a few danceable tracks. I think you're looking for an arguement from me where there isn't one. I'm not saying for one moment that the UK disco scene of the 70s was a patch on the Northern Soul scene of the same decade. It certainly wasn't and I'd be surprised if anyone on this forum would think that. In fact I can't think of anything to touch it. There's thread on here about the difference between the scene and the music - I think it probably applies to other scenes and music too. My point was that I like quite a lot of disco records. Liking Northern established my love of great singles. At first just the stuff I was exposed to, which included club soul, ska/reggae. and more mainstream motown/Stax type stuff. As I dug deeper I revisited 60s pop, found US Garage, Surf, funk and then punk happened! All these genres produced great singles and I liked and bought them. Still do sometimes. Never got into rock as such because 1) I don't like it generally and 2) a lot of it is album based. This really is a unbelievable argument, walk down any street and ask some people what disco is, they are going to say the records that they remember from the charts in the 70's like Boney M and the Bee Gees, not some obscure club records, ask me what a disco record is I'll say it's Dance Yourself Dizzy, Ring My Bell, Knock On Wood by Ami Stuart, cos thats what disco music was, shit music played in shit 'normal' discos, it wasn't thought of as some incredible underground cult like Northern Soul and thats why it is a dirty word today, because MAINSTREAM disco music is exactly what Moldie said it was - crud. Why attempt to change history... Above applies to your statement too Pete, with this added point. Sure you're right about those examples of crappy disco but I also stick by point that the man in street also might think of Earth Wind and Fire, Players Association and so on too. I also reckon most people can suss which are the better records. I just see them as great records in the same way that (to my ears anyway) The Fall and The Buzzcocks made great records. Not that I can see either of you two accepting that anyone else might have point Godz Edited October 14, 2007 by Godzilla Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Not that I can see either of you too accepting that anyone else might have point Godz I've not said nobody else can have a point, where have I said that? If people like disco music, good luck to them. I don't, that's all. At least I didnt, til you printed that list. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Paul Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 How anyone could think that 'Footsee' was superior to 'Daddy Cool' or 'Ma Baker' is a complete mystery to me! Those innovative and ground-breaking Boney M records will one day be recognised as classics which influenced an entire generation. Brown girl in the ring, tra la la la la! Hooray hooray, it's a hol-holi-day! Paul Mooney Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I've not said nobody else can have a point, where have I said that? If people like disco music, good luck to them. I don't, that's all. At least I didnt, til you printed that list. Sorry, I was getting accepting a point mixed up with your need to have the last word. Obviously you won't do that now out of contrariness Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Sorry, I was getting accepting a point mixed up with your need to have the last word. Obviously you won't do that now out of contrariness . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Sorry, I was getting accepting a point mixed up with your need to have the last word. Obviously you won't do that now out of contrariness He'll post a reply, but without a comment now you've said that Godz. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 He'll post a reply, but without a comment now you've said that Godz. Too late! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest andrew bin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Handsome couple they were also the world champion face pullers 1980 Download Video Youtube Link Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 On a more serious note, does this get played out at in modern rooms Bearsy, post up your 70's tunes in your collection so people can point out the disco tunes contained there in Serious and not doing it to try to cause ill feeling or anything, I'm just sure you'll be surprised how many you will be told are disco In fact if anyone wants to please feel free to join in I can certainly post up all mine so people can take the piss or not Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Bearsy, post up your 70's tunes in your collection so people can point out the disco tunes contained there in Serious and not doing it to try to cause ill feeling or anything, I'm just sure you'll be surprised how many you will be told are disco, i know your not Richard but i get your point In fact if anyone wants to please feel free to join in I can certainly post up all mine so people can take the piss or not Richard there are a good few in mine and i know what they are too (i think) but thing is all this disco is it isnt it malarky is just one big pee take and those that really like it are the ones that it bothers and those that dont like it find it easy to call it disco as a way of maybe of mocking it or maybe not,Personally i thinks people need to chill out a bit and just remember its just a name given to some tunes and not a matter of life or death, me personally i find this thread totally amusing and all because some like it and some dont, who likes marmite i dont but who cares Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 last 20 odd off topic posts removed and put in a thread in club forum https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...view=getnewpost ask try and keep the balance right Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) I just had a crash on the M11 while the best disco record ever made was blasting out on the CD player, "Save The Youth" by Mellow Madness, wrote the car off and almost broke my collar bone and got nasty whip lash. The CD player was still blasting out "i hope this message really got through coz survival is what we got to do..." while i was kicking the door open to escape the oil leaking into the foot well, I certainly felt like crying then This is a bit of a silly discssion really, isn't it? After all there are some really terribel disco records, but there are also some really terrible motown records, and aweful, I mean gross northern records, and some disgusting RnB records, but it doesn't make all of those types of music bad, now does it. There are greatr records made in all genres of music. Music's music, it's good or it's bad. But a type of music can't be bad. "baaah, disco sucks" "yeah, baaah he's right" "disco sucks" "baaaah, yeah, fukc disco, no place for disco in this herd" "baaaah, what is he talking about?" "bah bah, he said disco sucks!" "ok, yeah, great, disco sucks, baaah" "What's disco?" "I dunno, baaah, but it sucks!" Edited October 14, 2007 by James Trouble Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Paul Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Nice photo, I thought I recognised a few faces but I can't work out which venue they were queueing outside. Paul Mooney Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 All I have to say on this subject is ....... ARTHUR BAKER . Possibly the man more responsible for changing the face and sound of D***O , and giving it respectabilty ...... Top Man ...... Malc Burton Just been with him at the Red Bull Music Academy in Toronto plus he played a club set t'other night @ a club. He's still totally into music and a lovely guy to boot! Ian D ..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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