Guest Gavin Page Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 No. There'll be no mistaking it when that happens. I'm just expressing my opinion as to how I felt JT could have handled things a little better. I do understand the other points of view too thought. If it (someone removing a record I was playing) had happened to me before I became a christian then I would have made my feelings known, shall we say, very enthusiastically. Phil The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you
Guest Baz Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 No. There'll be no mistaking it when that happens. Glowing read Cheeks from the Reverand and Choir boy?
Mark Bicknell Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Everybodys waiting for Winnie to come on line Mark He's here now Steve, lurking....lol come on Winnie lad say something even if it's hello!!! Regards - Mark Bicknell.
Bazza Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you Whats pulp fiction got to do wiv it Bazza
Guest madkev Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you and on that note Gavin its time for me to say me prayers and bid all a goodnight, its been fun me first nite on here. Seems like jt has gone to bed early with his teddies, jimjams and hot water bottle, speak soon to all Kev.
Mark Bicknell Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Bugger me Taffy, Ady Croasdell, Steve Woomble, Steve Manion etc. etc. what is this a DJ convention or what?????lol Regards - Mark Bicknell.
Phild Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you Sounds like the Book of Ezekiel to me.
mischief Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Whats pulp fiction got to do wiv it Bazza Thank you couldn't remember where it came from I had Samuel L Jacksons voice in me head thinking god don't sound like that does he!!!!
Guest Gavin Page Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Sounds like the Book of Ezekiel to me.
Guest rachel Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Can we stay on-topic please, us moderators have already had to order in extra valium this afternoon
SteveM Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Thank you couldn't remember where it came from I had Samuel L Jacksons voice in me head thinking god don't sound like that does he!!!! Course not. He's got a Yorkshire accent and sounds remarkably like Geoffrey Boycott
Phild Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Glowing read Cheeks from the Reverand and Choir boy? Not something I would know about Baz. You? We have neither a reverend nor a choir in our church
Guest Gavin Page Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Can we stay on-topic please, us moderators have already had to order in extra valium this afternoon Coat got, sorry
Phild Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Can we stay on-topic please, us moderators have already had to order in extra valium this afternoon Of course. Now what was the topic?
Guest Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Of course. Now what was the topic? Phil I think it involves toys - prams - dummy's - bootlegs - adults behaving like 5 year olds - you know the usual northern soul scene stuff Derek
Phild Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Phil I think it involves toys - prams - dummy's - bootlegs - adults behaving like 5 year olds - you know the usual northern soul scene stuff Derek Like I said earlier, some things never change i'm off to bed now. I'm sure there'll be another 100 posts on this topic by the time I get up. Phil
Mark Bicknell Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 Like I said earlier, some things never change i'm off to bed now. I'm sure there'll be another 100 posts on this topic by the time I get up. Phil Night, Night Phil sleep well...lol Regards - Mark Bicknell.
Neiljon31 Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 More people have commented on this thread than paid their fivers to go to the Union last Saturday, which was, despite low numbers a good night I thought. Had this thread not been posted I reckon less than a dozen people would know about the 'incident' which after all was just someone winding someone else up, rightly or wrongly, I could not give a monkeys to be honest, but thats all is was. Mick was a little fed up at the attendance but I think he should be pretty proud of what he and the dj's who have played there (and at the nights other homes) have achieved. I hope he can maintain his enthusiasm for promoting it, think he said on the mic he might leave it to December to run the next one. Anyway, nice one Mick.
Winsford Soul Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 I dunno why you two guys can't get together outside a venue, share a fag and frank exchange of views then slugg the f**ker out like they used to when John Wayne was alive, or is that being rather petty, vidictive and chldish John Wayne DEAD Muck Fee. Steve
Guest James Trouble Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 (edited) Im not one for forums and ive just signed up to this today to put my side of the story across, for I am the DJ who played the record that's caused so much concern. Firstly, I dont support the playing of boot legs but i wont criticise those that do, as now days to be a DJ in this scene you need to be extremely wealthy, who are we to means test a DJ? I've been Djing at this particular venue on behalf of Mick H for many years, Mick wouldn't allow this if i didn't have the vinyl to do so. Now the record in question, this was given to me by Rob, I took it in good faith that it was one of two copies both equalivent. I have known Rob for many years and have no reason to doubt his word. As i was DJing at a Rare Soul night I obviously played this rare Soul record, I did announce what it was I was playing then was approached by James, he asked me what i was playing (probably didn't hear my introduction). I told him, so his claim that it was being played by a DJ who hadn't heard the record and didn't know anything about it are incorrect. James then asked me to remove the record as he claimed I was playing a bootleg. I refused, he asked for a second time, I refused again. He left the stage and returned very quickly with Mick H. Mick asked me to remove the record, I refused but did say to Mick that he could remove it if he wished. He signalled to James to do so, James carefully lifted the needle and I then started the next deck which was already queued up. James then went to speak to Rob, shortly returning to me and apologising for what had happened and we shook hands. Also, i would like to confirm that Rob has frequently attended this venue after retiring from Djing there. Finally, i can understand James' frustration to find out there is another copy in existence, of which was not only lent to me for the night but given to me permanently. Mick I think that is pretty much what went down, thanks for posting your view point Mick, and as said on the night, sorry you got dragged into it, you didn't deserve me doing that, but I'm sure you understand my frustration at what happenned and as a DJ who doesn't play bootlegs I'm sure you wouldn't have played a copy of it had you have known. Once again appologies. To fill in the blank, the reason I went away and returned with Mick H, the promoter, was that I wanted to make sure it was ok with the promoter that I wanted a bootleg of one of my (ex )exclusives stopped. It would be nice to have Rob's point of view instead of his brother and then we can get this topic closed... Edited October 8, 2007 by James Trouble
sister dawn Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 what I want to know is who put the half a soundfile up????? Just getting into it and it stopped.... chuffin heck!! The two Mr T's have left the building now then have they, is it safe to come out of me bunker?
Dave Rimmer Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 I appreciate you apologised for taking the needle off someone's record James (And if Rob did do it deliberatly to wind you up that was just as bad) but until proven otherwise you don't really know whether Rob has a legitimate copy of the acetate. As Ady said, it's just as likely for another acetate to turn up these days as it is for a vinyl copy of a really rare single. I wouldn't make a habit of taking the needle off other people's records though because not only is it a very rude thing to do, it hasn't shown you in a good light at all, but I think think of quite a large number of DJs would would react quite violently to someone messing with their records, even if you did have Mick H there to hold your hand. You should have shown you have some class rather than throwing your dummy out of the pram at the venue. A little story, many years ago, just after I had bought the Magnetics - I have a girl, I was booked to DJ somewhere quite local for me. The promoter who had booked me then proceded to do the spot before me and play a boot of the Magnetics. All I did was smile. It didn't make me any less of a person, or any less of a DJ just because someone else has to play a bootleg, but I never for one minute considered taking the needle off the record. Stop taking yourself too seriously and go out to enjoy yourself instead. Dear me, DJs having tantrums, whatever next
Guest James Trouble Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 (edited) I appreciate you apologised for taking the needle off someone's record James (And if Rob did do it deliberatly to wind you up that was just as bad) but until proven otherwise you don't really know whether Rob has a legitimate copy of the acetate. As Ady said, it's just as likely for another acetate to turn up these days as it is for a vinyl copy of a really rare single. I wouldn't make a habit of taking the needle off other people's records though because not only is it a very rude thing to do, it hasn't shown you in a good light at all, but I think think of quite a large number of DJs would would react quite violently to someone messing with their records, even if you did have Mick H there to hold your hand. You should have shown you have some class rather than throwing your dummy out of the pram at the venue. A little story, many years ago, just after I had bought the Magnetics - I have a girl, I was booked to DJ somewhere quite local for me. The promoter who had booked me then proceded to do the spot before me and play a boot of the Magnetics. All I did was smile. It didn't make me any less of a person, or any less of a DJ just because someone else has to play a bootleg, but I never for one minute considered taking the needle off the record. Stop taking yourself too seriously and go out to enjoy yourself instead. Dear me, DJs having tantrums, whatever next With respect Dave, I think this is a little different to your Magnetics. I couldn't count the number of times in the past decade that I have been DJing seriously that a DJ has played a boot of a record I have on OG, and I don't bat an eye lid. This is a different league though. This is a boot of an exclusive being played before a DJ who owns the exclusive by a DJ who had been lead to believe that it was a legit copy and was not told that I had the original by the person who had given it to him. And Dave, perhaps leave the little insults about "holding hands" out of it, it's quite plainly clear why I spoke to Mick, as he was the promoter, and it's his club, this thread is sensitive enough without you throwing little digs in there about a situation you did not witness. Anyway, I'm off to bed, and as Mark said maybe there isn't an end to this, but I'd like to think if Rob can post his view point of why he's done it this whole thing can be put to bed as well. Edited October 8, 2007 by James Trouble
Guest andyrattigan Posted October 8, 2007 Posted October 8, 2007 James, with the greatest respect , you are taking yourself - and what you think you are doing (being at the cutting edge of new discoveries on the soul scene) - far too seriously ... cutting edge ??????????????...he's only been on the scene for five minutes, and he's pissed more people off in those five minutes than other people have in 30 years I don't want to get caught up in Soul politics as I cause enough hassle in the Freebasing room but in defence of James Trouble as a DJ he is one of the best on the scene. I go out to dance and like a mixture of oldies and newies uptempo sounds and a bit of 7t's. Mr Trouble always hits the spot so he certainly doesn't piss me off. He is one of the more refreshing DJs on the scene.That's just the perspective of a dancer and casual collector, for what it's worth.
Weingarden Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 oh, my gosh, this is one of the most unintentionally hilarious things i've seen in months. man up, james. could you be any more self-important?
Mikevague Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Rob's Ok.... One of my trips to the Uk I was introduced to him via a mutual friend. I had just scored a handfull of RUBYs on Gold Token (dead stock!) and brought a couple along for some trade. Rob offered me the DREAM TEAM Im not satisfied straight across for 2 RUBYs. He explained it was worth over 1000 pounds, so I did it, cause I TRUSTED HIM. 2 months later, well, we all know what happened to the DREAM TEAM... Rob (to this day) refused to amend that deal. Thanks Rob. Yeah ok I'll send my unreleased LITTLE WILLIE JOHN 1968 capitol LP acetate over next so you "can make it big" even though you said it came out on CD (I've still yet to see it, BTW.) NEVER had any trade problems w/ James. Ever. Real facts, folks... Maybe you can answer to this, Rob?
Mark Bicknell Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Good morning Soul Sources or should I say Brothers and Sisters?....lol now the object and goal of this thread today is to reach 10,000 hits come on we can do it! The plot thickens and the tention builds, just trying to inject some humour into this one before we all lose the will to live.....lol Regards - Mark Bicknell.
Iancsloft Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 james dont really want to get involved in all this but i can clear one thing up for u rob has had the track along time i,m sure he played it at the last ritz rarest of the rare and he gave me it on tape about 7 years ago =========================================================================== Both myself and Kev Barrett have had tapes / cds of unreleased recordings off Rob for well over 10 yrs and sure we,ve got the mentioned recording somewhere one thing tho in all that time Rob has been sending Kev or myself his stuff we have or never will copy or allow anyone else to borrow any of the stuff Rob has sent us for our own personal use its all about trust...
Guest vinylvixen Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 (edited) I hate to burst everyone's bubble but none of this happened at all . It was a genius plot by James to 'break' Willie Kendricks without all the hard work of having to schlep round venues and play it in his set. Here's what really happened - JT hatched an elaborate scheme, with Rob T, Mickoo and Mike H all in on it, posted it on SS and then gets 10,000 hits on the thread.........that's more people than JT will ever get in his lifetime knowing about his Willie K acetate - you couldn't make it up, could you (and I wish I'd thought of it first ). It's the best bit of marketing I've seen in years....James, you're a ad man's dream Seriously though, I hope this gets sorted or else it could rumble on for years..... Edited October 9, 2007 by vinylvixen
paultp Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Wow! You go away from your computer for a few days and come back to find a 6 page thread about ... err ... a guy played a record (maybe-not-a-real-one-but-possibly-a-copy-taken-from-a-legit-source) before another guy who believed he had the only copy who then spat his dummy and took the record off. ... and (shock horror) ... it might have been done deliberately !!! OH MY GOD! I'll never leave my computer again
Mark Bicknell Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Where is James today then?....lol Regards - Mark Bicknell.
Jumpinjoan Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Where is James today then?....lol Regards - Mark Bicknell. Was just thinking the very same thing myself
Guest James Trouble Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 I hate to burst everyone's bubble but none of this happened at all . It was a genius plot by James to 'break' Willie Kendricks without all the hard work of having to schlep round venues and play it in his set. Here's what really happened - JT hatched an elaborate scheme, with Rob T, Mickoo and Mike H all in on it, posted it on SS and then gets 10,000 hits on the thread.........that's more people than JT will ever get in his lifetime knowing about his Willie K acetate - you couldn't make it up, could you (and I wish I'd thought of it first ). It's the best bit of marketing I've seen in years....James, you're a ad man's dream Seriously though, I hope this gets sorted or else it could rumble on for years..... Since Jo has figured out part of the reason I started the thread (that couldn't possibly have crossed my mind ) I'll close it as it seems to be going around in circles and bit tit for tat niggling arguements now. I'll reopen it if anyone wants to add anything that hasn't been said already + PMs me or one of the mods...
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