Soul Shrews Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Hi People I know the Johnny Baker "Shy Guy" threads been done (thanks sunnysoul) but I wanna know how do you tell a real "Operator, Operator" from the re-press ? According to an article I read by Tim Brown it was re-pressed to satisfy UK demand back in the day when it was in demand on the northern scene. Of course the flipside "Accept Me As I Am" is classic deep soul too Where do the white promo copies that only feature "Operator, Operator !" fit in ? Thanks in advance Cheers Paul
Guest martyn Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Hi People I know the Johnny Baker "Shy Guy" threads been done (thanks sunnysoul) but I wanna know how do you tell a real "Operator, Operator" from the re-press ? According to an article I read by Tim Brown it was re-pressed to satisfy UK demand back in the day when it was in demand on the northern scene. Of course the flipside "Accept Me As I Am" is classic deep soul too Where do the white promo copies that only feature "Operator, Operator !" fit in ? Thanks in advance Cheers Paul The White Promo has a very short instrumental (with girlie backing),but no vocal. Must admit I didnt know there was a re-press.I would be gratefull for any info on this too.
Soul Shrews Posted October 6, 2007 Author Posted October 6, 2007 The White Promo has a very short instrumental (with girlie backing),but no vocal. Must admit I didnt know there was a re-press.I would be gratefull for any info on this too. Hi martyn My promo is stereo/mono same vocal same time. Dunno about this instrumental thing ? But I'd like to Thanks for your interest Cheers Paul
Soul Shrews Posted October 6, 2007 Author Posted October 6, 2007 IVE GOT BOTH SOMEWHERE DIDNT KNOW ABOUT A REISSUE Lets hear them then TOAD We know you can do it Cheers Paul
Guest jinx74 Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 i dont have a promo with operator on it. i also didnt know there were represses on em either. i have the accept white label w/ stereo mono and a red label accept with operator on the flip. i doubt mine would be a re being that all my stuff was bought locally here in sf but its possible i guess. this doesnt help you any i know but its all i have.
Soul Shrews Posted October 6, 2007 Author Posted October 6, 2007 i dont have a promo with operator on it. i also didnt know there were represses on em either. i have the accept white label w/ stereo mono and a red label accept with operator on the flip. i doubt mine would be a re being that all my stuff was bought locally here in sf but its possible i guess. this doesnt help you any i know but its all i have. Hi jinx74 I've never seen a promo of "Accept Me As I am" stereo/mono (tho I'd like one ) The stock/red label I have is styrene, as is the white "Operator..........." promo wheras my "Shy Guy" stock is vinyl (Ok I know its another label but...) is your 'Accept Me As I Am" promo vinyl ? Does this make the white promo of "Operator. Operator ! " a re-press ???!!!
Sean Hampsey Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 I have a WD Stereo / Mono "Accept Me As I Am". A stunning record. Sean
Soul Shrews Posted October 6, 2007 Author Posted October 6, 2007 matt white label gosh i spoil you lot lol Yes I know you do TOAD and we love it But I want to know the details about the 45 please Cheers Paul
Soul Shrews Posted October 6, 2007 Author Posted October 6, 2007 I have a WD Stereo / Mono "Accept Me As I Am". A stunning record. Sean Trust you Sean wheres mine .......? Cheers Paul PS Is it vinyl ??
TOAD Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 THE WHITE ONE IVE POSTED DOESNT SEEM TO BE A DEMO CISCO IS A DIFFERANT TYPE FACE TO THE RED SHINEY COPY IVE GOT RED HAS A ..MR STAMP WHITE HASNT
Soul Shrews Posted October 6, 2007 Author Posted October 6, 2007 THE WHITE ONE IVE POSTED DOESNT SEEM TO BE A DEMO CISCO IS A DIFFERANT TYPE FACE TO THE RED SHINEY COPY IVE GOT RED HAS A ..MR STAMP WHITE HASNT Thanks TOAD my stock and promo copies have MR (Monarch ?) stamps too I'm beginning to think I've gotta couple o' duds here......................anyone know the real story ? Cheers Paul PS TOAD, I'd still like the PT 1/2 version if you know where I can find one ?
TOAD Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Try Rudzy on Here IVE JUST HAD A LOOK IN JOHN MANSHIPS BOOTLEG GUIDE AND ITS NOT IN THERE AS A BOOT OR A REISSUE MIGHT BE WORTH ASKING HIM
Soul Shrews Posted October 6, 2007 Author Posted October 6, 2007 Thanks TOAD I'll check it out Cheers Paul
Guest martyn Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Hi martyn My promo is stereo/mono same vocal same time. Dunno about this instrumental thing ? But I'd like to Thanks for your interest Cheers Paul My Cisco white demo is stereo both sides with part 2 on one side & the other side marked instrumental 1:48 long.It is on vinyl both sides credited to Johnny Baker with the backing vocals credited to 'Mothers Children'.I bought it in a junk shop in Chicago in 1980 & had to buy an issue to get the vocal.I'm in the process of buying a new deck which will hopefully enable me to transfer my tunes to my PC.I will post it up when its all up & running. Cheers Martyn
Guest martyn Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Thanks TOAD my stock and promo copies have MR (Monarch ?) stamps too I'm beginning to think I've gotta couple o' duds here......................anyone know the real story ? Cheers Paul PS TOAD, I'd still like the PT 1/2 version if you know where I can find one ? No stamp on my demo only A+R 72X42-A 510 scratched in the dead wax
Soul Shrews Posted October 6, 2007 Author Posted October 6, 2007 No stamp on my demo only A+R 72X42-A 510 scratched in the dead wax My "demo" has cisco 01-02 mr stamp "triangle shape" 99029-x My "issue" has cisco 01-02 mr stamp "triangle shape"99029-x The plot thickens................................where are you 'jinx74' ? Cheers Paul
TOAD Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) MY ISSUE DIFFERANT CISCO 01-02 RE 1 MR triangle100265-X the white label inst has the same as martyns Edited October 6, 2007 by TOAD
Sean Hampsey Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Trust you Sean wheres mine .......? Cheers Paul PS Is it vinyl ?? Pretty sure its Styrene, Paul. Intend to have a session tomorrow (if I can get a break from the screaming Bambino) so I'll have a look for it then. Sean
Eddie Hubbard Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 When I first heard this at Coalville nighter in the 70's , DJ Neil Rushton played it off a 10" acetate , I think he imported them too , might be worth asking him ? Best ,Eddie
Soul Shrews Posted October 7, 2007 Author Posted October 7, 2007 Thanks for that Eddie I think he"s on here hopefully he'll see this thread and respond. So far then, there appears to be 2 stock copy issues (going by the dead wax numbering) Also a white promo copy of "Operator, Operator !" stereo/mono Stereo side dead wax is cisco 01-02 (mr stamp) triangle 99029-x (this is the same as my stock copy) Also a white promo of "Accept Me As I Am" stereo/mono Also an instrumental of "Operator, Operator !" with Pt 2 on the flip (stock copy, and different numbering) Phew and this threads not been up 24 hours yet ! Sean I"d like to know about the "Accept Me............" promo please jinx74 I'd be interested to know the numbering on your stock copy please TOAD many thanks for the sound clips I hadn"t heard either before, I was thinking maybe the RE-1 in the dead wax of your stock copy suggests its a re-issue ? Many thanks to everyone whos contributed so far and special thanks to Mrs Shrews (and her glasses) for helping me read the dead wax numbering Hopefully Mr Rushden will post something later Cheers Paul PS Just an idea but what do you think a Tom Moulton re-mix would sound like using the vocal/instr a la Fantastic Johnny C "Waiting For The Rain" ???
TOAD Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 YES I WAS THINKING A REISSUE AS THE TYPE FACE USED ARE DIFFERANT
Guest martyn Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Thanks for that Eddie I think he"s on here hopefully he'll see this thread and respond. So far then, there appears to be 2 stock copy issues (going by the dead wax numbering) Also a white promo copy of "Operator, Operator !" stereo/mono Stereo side dead wax is cisco 01-02 (mr stamp) triangle 99029-x (this is the same as my stock copy) Also a white promo of "Accept Me As I Am" stereo/mono Also an instrumental of "Operator, Operator !" with Pt 2 on the flip (stock copy, and different numbering) Phew and this threads not been up 24 hours yet ! Sean I"d like to know about the "Accept Me............" promo please jinx74 I'd be interested to know the numbering on your stock copy please TOAD many thanks for the sound clips I hadn"t heard either before, I was thinking maybe the RE-1 in the dead wax of your stock copy suggests its a re-issue ? Many thanks to everyone whos contributed so far and special thanks to Mrs Shrews (and her glasses) for helping me read the dead wax numbering Hopefully Mr Rushden will post something later Cheers Paul PS Just an idea but what do you think a Tom Moulton re-mix would sound like using the vocal/instr a la Fantastic Johnny C "Waiting For The Rain" ??? Pretty sure the one I have is not a stock copy.It has been marked with 2 red crosses on the instrumental side to signify the play side.Was like it when I found it in Chicago....Though I could be wrong
JOE TORQUAY Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 My "issue" has cisco 01-02 mr stamp "triangle shape"99029-x my copy also has " eddie forshaw " in the runout - who he ?? joe
Soul Shrews Posted October 7, 2007 Author Posted October 7, 2007 Hi martyn, so it looks like there are promo and stock copies of the instrumental JOE TORQUAY, theres no eddie foreshaw in my run out groove don"t recognise the name pehaps jinx74 will know who he is My 'Accept Me As I Am" side has cisco 01-01 (mr stamp) triangle 99029 in the dead wax, is yours the same ? Cheers Paul
JOE TORQUAY Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 HI PAUL, MINES THE SAME AS YOURS EXCEPT FOR THE NAME ( E. FORSHAW ) ON THE 'Accept Me As I Am SIDE, EDDIE FORSHAW ON THE FLIP. MAYBE SOMEONE DID IT IN CASE IT OT NICKED, I REMEMBER WE USED TO WRITE ALL OVER THE BACK OF LP COVERS FOR THE SAME REASON, PITY AS IT MAKES THEM WORTH A LOT LESS NOW, JOE.
Soul Shrews Posted October 7, 2007 Author Posted October 7, 2007 Aahh that could well explain it Joe, I was getting carried away thinking ,sound engineers and all sorts of nonsense Cheers Paul
Guest jinx74 Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 i have three of these with all the same dw info: accept promo : cisco 01-01 mono MR delta99174 // stereo side: cisco 01-01 MR delta99029 i have two of these with the same info: accept/operator : cisco 01-01 RE1 MR delta100265 // cisco 01-02 RE1 MR delta100265-x
Guest martyn Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 i have three of these with all the same dw info: accept promo : cisco 01-01 mono MR delta99174 // stereo side: cisco 01-01 MR delta99029 i have two of these with the same info: accept/operator : cisco 01-01 RE1 MR delta100265 // cisco 01-02 RE1 MR delta100265-x So where have these without the delta numbers come from? Surely not boots,especialy with the provenance behind them ?
Soul Shrews Posted October 7, 2007 Author Posted October 7, 2007 (edited) Thanks for that jinx74 So your stock copies are the same as TOAD's so different to mine..............so I still need to know which is the original ? Do you think that the RE-1 in the numbering suggests a re-issue ? Any ideas about the instrumental release ? And whats with the "Operator, Operator ! " promos ? Cheers Paul PS Sorry missed that "delta" bit Edited October 7, 2007 by soul shrews
Soul Shrews Posted October 10, 2007 Author Posted October 10, 2007 (edited) So where have these without the delta numbers come from? Surely not boots,especialy with the provenance behind them ? Hi martyn Does the "triangle" mean delta ? Cheers Paul PS And what does provenance mean ? Er lol Edited October 10, 2007 by soul shrews
Guest Netspeaky Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 My "issue" has cisco 01-02 mr stamp "triangle shape"99029-x my copy also has " eddie forshaw " in the runout - who he ?? joeEddie Forshaw is from Prestatyn now lives in Rhyl after long spells in Germany, he's a very good friend of Richard Searling. Lots of copies of this tune in North Wales from the days Richard Searling DJ'din the Vic Hotel in Prestatyn, which Eddie used to run, so I guess you have his old copy.
Soul Shrews Posted October 10, 2007 Author Posted October 10, 2007 Eddie Forshaw is from Prestatyn now lives in Rhyl after long spells in Germany, he's a very good friend of Richard Searling. Lots of copies of this tune in North Wales from the days Richard Searling DJ'din the Vic Hotel in Prestatyn, which Eddie used to run, so I guess you have his old copy. Well........................... I"m glad this threads cleared something up !!! Thanks Netspeaky Cheers Paul
Guest martyn Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 Hi martyn Does the "triangle" mean delta ? Cheers Paul PS And what does provenance mean ? Er lol Don't know mate-I just like to sound clever but can't spell ..............I'm getting at the fact that as all these copys were bought legit through several different sources (as opposed to through one list put out when the tune was big),that the chance of any being boots is minimal,its just a question of why so many different versions over what period of time .................oh bugger,I need to lie down
Soul Shrews Posted October 11, 2007 Author Posted October 11, 2007 Don't know mate-I just like to sound clever but can't spell ..............I'm getting at the fact that as all these copys were bought legit through several different sources (as opposed to through one list put out when the tune was big),that the chance of any being boots is minimal,its just a question of why so many different versions over what period of time .................oh bugger,I need to lie down Yes martyn could do with a lie down meself ! I think they're all legit too just would like to know which came first Cheers Paul
TOAD Posted October 11, 2007 Posted October 11, 2007 WILL WE EVER FINED OUT LOL HOW MANY VARATIONS SO FAR ? ITS CONFUSING ME HA HA BEST TOAD
Guest Posted October 11, 2007 Posted October 11, 2007 (edited) Try Rudzy on Here IVE JUST HAD A LOOK IN JOHN MANSHIPS BOOTLEG GUIDE AND ITS NOT IN THERE AS A BOOT OR A REISSUE MIGHT BE WORTH ASKING HIM "Operator" got 3 presses on Cisco NONE are bootlegs. But the last one *#1001 was "commisioned" or shall we say encouraged for release by Bob Catteneo in 1977, #1000 was a 1976 release. OPERATOR OPERATOR c/w same: mono CISCO 1000 DJ OPERATOR OPERATOR c/w PLEASE ACCEPT ME AS I AM CISCO 1000 OPERATOR OPERATOR c/w same: instrumental CISCO 1001* hope that helps. PS can't remember "PLEASE ACCEPT ME AS I AM" as a double sided promo.. does this exist?? Edited October 11, 2007 by john manship
TOAD Posted October 11, 2007 Posted October 11, 2007 THANKS JOHN HOPE WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER BOOTLEG GUIDE SOON!
Guest Posted October 11, 2007 Posted October 11, 2007 (edited) THANKS JOHN HOPE WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER BOOTLEG GUIDE SOON! It's due for Easter, it's be called "COLLECTING NORTHERN SOUL" in full colour and scans of all the relevent 45s with all the matrix info. PS. Has anyone anywhere on these page got and ORIGINAL Gwen & Ray. Needs to be authentic the one maede from RCA style thin flexi vinyl. Only ever had 2 copies in my life and it's the only scan I'm missing.. PM me if you've got a got copy. WE shall reward you with a free book.. Edited October 11, 2007 by john manship
Sean Hampsey Posted October 11, 2007 Posted October 11, 2007 PS can't remember "PLEASE ACCEPT ME AS I AM" as a double sided promo.. does this exist?? Hi John, Yes "Accept Me As I Am" does exist as a double sided promo as I have a copy somewhere (been looking for it the past few days but it's definately in there - 100%). Will put the details up once I find it. Sean PS: That other stuff I promised will be with you in the next couple of days.
Sean Hampsey Posted October 11, 2007 Posted October 11, 2007 PS. Has anyone anywhere on these page got and ORIGINAL Gwen & Ray. Needs to be authentic the one maede from RCA style thin flexi vinyl. Only ever had 2 copies in my life and it's the only scan I'm missing.. PM me if you've got a got copy. WE shall reward you with a free book.. Tats Taylor has an original Gwen & Ray. I was with him when he found it in Baltimore about 10 years ago. He is Foolish Fool on here (and pretty much everywhere else). I'll ask him if he can get it (or a hi-res scan) to you. Sean
Guest martyn Posted October 11, 2007 Posted October 11, 2007 "Operator" got 3 presses on Cisco NONE are bootlegs. But the last one *#1001 was "commisioned" or shall we say encouraged for release by Bob Catteneo in 1977, #1000 was a 1976 release. OPERATOR OPERATOR c/w same: mono CISCO 1000 DJ OPERATOR OPERATOR c/w PLEASE ACCEPT ME AS I AM CISCO 1000 OPERATOR OPERATOR c/w same: instrumental CISCO 1001* hope that helps. PS can't remember "PLEASE ACCEPT ME AS I AM" as a double sided promo.. does this exist?? Hi John, Where does my copy without the vocal on either side fit in then ?It is number C-1001 with (01-03),it also has 1976 as the date ? A mis-press do you think perhaps ?
Soul Shrews Posted October 11, 2007 Author Posted October 11, 2007 Hi John, Where does my copy without the vocal on either side fit in then ?It is number C-1001 with (01-03),it also has 1976 as the date ? A mis-press do you think perhaps ? Yes martyn was thinking this myself, thats the one with Pt 2 right ? Also want to know which stock copy came first Cheers Paul
Guest martyn Posted October 11, 2007 Posted October 11, 2007 Yes martyn was thinking this myself, thats the one with Pt 2 right ? Also want to know which stock copy came first Cheers Paul ............Still not the full story
Neil Rushton Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 I used to import lots of West Coast singles from Bob Cattaneo, 45's by Marvin Holmes, Celeste Hardie, Don Thomas, and loads more. Bob used to supply copies of "Shy Guy" - Johnny Baker and because he knew I could take quantity of a record (I remember having 500 copies of "Come On Train" and "You Better Keep Her" and flogging them upstairs at Wigan one night) he encouraged Johnny to make a track which would work for the UK Northern scene... one of the first "tailor-mades" I suppose. I had progress reports on how the recording ,spoke to Johnny while he was in the process of coming up with the track,and eventualy got from Bob a lovely looking 10" acetate which I road tested out and about and then ordered the first pressings of the record, asking (as you do) for a mixture of white label demos and red stock copies. There definitely was not a pressing with "Please Accept Me As I Am" as the flip in existence before I had my copies which had "Operator Operator" on both sides. I cannot remember the quantity,at least 1,000, maybe more, but I had trouble getting rid of them...I would say this was in 1975. All the Best, Neil
Soul Shrews Posted October 28, 2007 Author Posted October 28, 2007 Wow Neil thanks for that post. ...............................so the "Operator, Operator" stereo/mono promos are the 1st Do you know anything about the instrumental/Pt2 release ? I suppose if "Operator, Operator !" was made with the northern scene in mind then the "Accept Me As I Am" ballad was added later for the US market ? I have an old Blues & Soul where Dave Godin has the issue as one of his "significant sides" I'll try and post a photo/scan sometime soon Cheers Paul
Neil Rushton Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 Is the Dave Godin review for "Operator, Operator"? If so it would be because I supplied Dave with a copy. He was very good at supporting singles I imported and sent him, for instance he gave great support to "Don't You Leave" - Freddie Hughes. I just wish I had kept some of those copies of "You're Gone" - Celeste Hardie I had from Bob,a lot of the old crowd from Walsall/Wolverhampton/Dudley who I supplied records with had copies from me, there must be copies stuck in lofts and abandoned record boxes. All the Best, Neil
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