Guest Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) Whilst travelling back from Skegness in the early hours of this morning , I was listening ro Radio 2 ( as you do , unless it is a sunday morning , when it has to be R4 and the Archers omnibus ) , when the presenter announced that the results of the " Radio 2 Icon of the last 40 years " , were to be announced on Sunday afternoon , during their celebrations for the 40th anniversary for / of Radio 2 ..... This got me thinking ; though it started for many ( yours included ) several years before 1967 , we are celebrating 40 years of the Soul / Northern / Rare / Modern - call it what you will - scene in 2007 ..... Who would you consider to be the Icon of / for the scene over the last 40 years , and has representated , or represent what stands for ? In respect of this , I am putting forward several names who I think are worthy canidates ..... Roger Eagle Ian Levine Soul Sam Mary Chapman Randy Cozens Over to you ...... Malc Burton Edited September 29, 2007 by Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) huh huh Edited September 29, 2007 by moldie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Whilst travelling back from Skegness in the early hours of this morning , I was listening ro Radio 2 ( as you do , unless it is a sunday morning , when it has to be R4 and the Archers omnibus ) , when the presenter announced that the results of the " Radio 2 Icon of the last 40 years " , were to be announced on Sunday afternoon , during their celebrations for the 40th anniversary for / of Radio 2 ..... This got me thinking ; though it started for many ( yours included ) several years before 1967 , we are celebrating 40 years of the Soul / Northern / Rare / Modern - call it what you will - scene in 2007 ..... Who would you consider to be the Icon of / for the scene over the last 40 years , and has representated , or represent what stands for ? In respect of this , I am putting forward several names who I think are worthy canidates ..... Roger Eagle Ian Levine Soul Sam Mary Chapman Randy Cozens Over to you ...... Malc Burton Well I do think that Randy for one would have hated being put on a pedestal like that, and I don't think Sam would be too keen on it either. Icon is such a naff term to describe blokes with records. Sorry Malc but that's how I see it. The Icons to me are the singers. If you said who has most influenced your musical tastes over the last 40 years, then fine, and on that basis I'd include Randy, Richard S, Sam, John A, Butch etc. Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Gotta be Simon Sousson. He conned everbody!! ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Colin Curtis Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Colin Curtis i thought you might have gone for bearsy simon Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Roccia Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) Malc, because I'm a new kid on the scene, I didn't have the privilege to know many of the mentioned people... My choice is Butch... Roccia Edited September 29, 2007 by Roccia Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 malc why have you included yourself in this list...surely a bit bigheaded Very funny ...... NOT . I always put my name several lines down from any reply / posting : if you decided to alter the text to include me , and therefore have a laugh , that is up to you ; If you knew me , your statement could not be further from the truth ..... In respect of the Icons should be the singer / singers whatever , and not individual people , I intended the basis of thre topic to mean the contribution the respective people had made over the last 40 years ..... Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Roccia Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) Very funny ...... NOT . I always put my name several lines down from any reply / posting : if you decided to alter the text to include me , and therefore have a laugh , that is up to you ; If you knew me , your statement could not be further from the truth ..... In respect of the Icons should be the singer / singers whatever , and not individual people , I intended the basis of thre topic to mean the contribution the respective people had made over the last 40 years ..... Malc Burton So Dave Godin would be a good choice... Edited September 29, 2007 by Roccia Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 So Dave Godin would be a good choice... Well chosen My friend .... I can just see David cursing me from wherever he is - and calling me several choice names - for not including him ... Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Brav Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Keith Minshull would be a good choice for me Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 If all the guys mentioned wrote a book about their exploits and you could only buy one, which one would it be? For me personally it's no contest. - John Anderson. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) The only one for me and probably for most of the thirty somethings....can only be the man fron Harboro to me the rest, are just djs. Ady brought the music to a whole new generation Edited September 29, 2007 by reg Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 If all the guys mentioned wrote a book about their exploits and you could only buy one, which one would it be? For me personally it's no contest. - John Anderson. I agree 100% with this ...... JA needs to tell his story - warts and all , with no names changed to protect identities or egos ..... Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Ady Croasdell has to be up there...........I know he would hate it & make some wise crack, but his personal contribution to the scene cannot be ignored, not just as a promoter & DJ, but as label manager for Kent. I concur with young David too, John Anderson must be some where near to the top of the list of people who have helped shape the Rare Soul Scene for years & years..............& there really has to be a book there. Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 For me personally it's no contest. - John Anderson. Agreed; he's forgotten more than most of us know. And I've heard more good records in Kings Lynn, than anywhere else. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Agreed; he's forgotten more than most of us know. And I've heard more good records in Kings Lynn, than anywhere else. He gets my vote too would also have to propose Mr Manship as a worthy candidate. Derek Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
good angel Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 If all the guys mentioned wrote a book about their exploits and you could only buy one, which one would it be? For me personally it's no contest. - John Anderson. I would read a,Ian Levine biography,by Colin Curtis,now that would be a read Kev Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well I do think that Randy for one would have hated being put on a pedestal like that, and I don't think Sam would be too keen on it either. Icon is such a naff term to describe blokes with records. Sorry Malc but that's how I see it. The Icons to me are the singers. If you said who has most influenced your musical tastes over the last 40 years, then fine, and on that basis I'd include Randy, Richard S, Sam, John A, Butch etc. Steve True, except for me the icons are not the singers, but those little black vinyl discs. I arn't really bothered who sung 'em, 'cos its the whole package, the production, tempo, arrangement, backing singing, label design etc. It's the sound thats iconic, not who played 'em at what venue. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest woolie mark Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 sam Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
ChrisOD1964 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 True, except for me the icons are not the singers, but those little black vinyl discs. I arn't really bothered who sung 'em, 'cos its the whole package, the production, tempo, arrangement, backing singing, label design etc. It's the sound thats iconic, not who played 'em at what venue. TREVSKI i must say i agree with you on this Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 i thought you might have gone for bearsy simon Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) Agreed; he's forgotten more than most of us know. And I've heard more good records in Kings Lynn, than anywhere else. Of course I'd put John Anderson down as a Soul Music icon , dont think he likes Northern that much ? Edited September 30, 2007 by Simon M Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Of course I'd put John Anderson down as a Soul music icon , dont think he likes Northern that much ? He does like 60s soul - so things like James Carr, Bobby Bland, O'Jays, Sam WIlliams etc. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 He does like 60s soul - so things like James Carr, Bobby Bland, O'Jays, Sam WIlliams etc. Hey Steve , Im north of the river tonight Hemel Hempsted Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Ain't it obvious ?................................................................................ ............................................................Ken Cheers Paco Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 I agree 100% with this ...... JA needs to tell his story - warts and all , with no names changed to protect identities or egos ..... Malc Burton John did 2 or 3 great interviews for the magazine Big Daddy a few years back . Best Wishes ,Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 John did 2 or 3 great interviews for the magazine Big Daddy a few years back . Best Wishes ,Eddie He did Eddie, but they hardly scratched the surface. There's great stories still to be told. Think John should sit down and write a book Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 Who would you consider to be the Icon of / for the scene over the last 40 years , and has representated , or represent what stands for ? Malc Burton Ian Levine - for shifting the Wheel crowd over to the Blackpool Mecca, getting Jebb to play Northern, getting Les Cokell as DJ and very much putting NS on the map. Had this not have happened the NS scene may well have dissipated into oblivion. Let's not forget the huge amount of records he brought over from the US that got people spinning quite literally on the dance floors. Alan S - unsung hero from the Cats who was discovering and playing rare NS stuff whilst the remainder of the UK soul fans were still tuned into Chuck Wood. Richard Searling - the voice of sanity during the white pop blitz in the 70T's. Later with the Ritz and jazz FM. Trevor Churchill - one mega soul fan working for EMI and getting some cracking NS tunes released, a shamefully modest man. How many of us started playing those UK releases and wondering where and how we could hear of the same?. Chris L Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 He did Eddie, but they hardly scratched the surface. There's great stories still to be told. Think John should sit down and write a book & if he wanted to save himself the grief of sitting down in front of a laptop, I'd offer myself as his ghost writer (un negro in spanish). you might guess what my fee would be. M Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ged Parker Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 John Anderson for me. Discovering new sounds and getting them aired is what it all about isn't it? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tomangoes Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 Assuming the chosen one would have been around 40 years ago and still around now, and have been influencial during the whole time, it shortens the list down. There have been many icons who have had a good 10 year stretch, but the full 40? Having only been 'on the scene' for about 31 of the last 40 years, I suppose I cannot really have a vote, but some names seem to have done the whole bit like Minshull & Evison. I think if Edwin Starr was still with us he would have been a good contender. Ed Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phild Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Russ Winstanley Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Russ Winstanley As someone who was around in your influentual days on the scene always interested in your views, can you expand on why you think Russ qualifies? I would ask this question to anyone posting, rather than just name someone how about we give a few reasons why they qualify. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 As someone who was around in your influentual days on the scene always interested in your views, can you expand on why you think Russ qualifies? I would ask this question to anyone posting, rather than just name someone how about we give a few reasons why they qualify. I think Phil is just trying to wind everyone up - he's from the wrong side of town ya know.....Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spanner Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Ain't it obvious ?................................................................................ ............................................................Ken Cheers Paco Anne Fetermine Rit Lin Chalkies Sid Dospan top GEARzers Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phild Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I think Phil is just trying to wind everyone up - he's from the wrong side of town ya know.....Steve Not a wind up at all. His self-belief (egotism?) was resonsible for (still) one of the best venues of all time both for sounds played and atmosphere. Yes there was some rubbish played from time to time (true of every venue I've ever been to), there were unsavoury elements there from time to time too (but we all can change ). If individual elements of "what makes a great venue" were looked at in isolation, then The Casino would not come top in all of them or even many. But when looked at as a whole The Casino wins hands down. And for his involvement in that iconic, magical part of Northern Soul history he gets my vote. Phil Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Ain't it obvious ?................................................................................ ............................................................Ken Cheers Paco Just seen this, Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Not a wind up at all. His self-belief (egotism?) was resonsible for (still) one of the best venues of all time both for sounds played and atmosphere. Yes there was some rubbish played from time to time (true of every venue I've ever been to), there were unsavoury elements there from time to time too (but we all can change ). If individual elements of "what makes a great venue" were looked at in isolation, then The Casino would not come top in all of them or even many. But when looked at as a whole The Casino wins hands down. And for his involvement in that iconic, magical part of Northern Soul history he gets my vote. Phil Naah............don't buy it, my reply was by far the best one Phil.......................... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phild Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Naah............don't buy it, my reply was by far the best one Phil.......................... Yeah. But you're older than me and you have a chicken for an avatar so your reply doesn't count PC Dick of the Soul Police Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Yeah. But you're older than me and you have a chicken for an avatar so your reply doesn't count PC Dick of the Soul Police Normally I would sit here and fight you to death with me handbag but off to Prague int mornin and remember it's already way past my bedtime, 23.16 here in sunny Belgium. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phild Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Normally I would sit here and fight you to death with me handbag but off to Prague int mornin and remember it's already way past my bedtime, 23.16 here in sunny Belgium. Have a good time, and don't be listening to no choons what ain't on the "list" PC Dick Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris Anderton Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I think we did this before and the winner was John Anderson..and rightly so in my book. A true gent and very modest about what he has given the soul world. All round top man.... Chris Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) I think we did this before and the winner was John Anderson..and rightly so in my book. A true gent and very modest about what he has given the soul world. All round top man.... Chris Totally Agree ...... John Anderson Edited October 6, 2007 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) Whilst travelling back from Skegness in the early hours of this morning , I was listening ro Radio 2 ( as you do , unless it is a sunday morning , when it has to be R4 and the Archers omnibus ) , when the presenter announced that the results of the " Radio 2 Icon of the last 40 years " , were to be announced on Sunday afternoon , during their celebrations for the 40th anniversary for / of Radio 2 ..... This got me thinking ; though it started for many ( yours included ) several years before 1967 , we are celebrating 40 years of the Soul / Northern / Rare / Modern - call it what you will - scene in 2007 ..... Who would you consider to be the Icon of / for the scene over the last 40 years , and has representated , or represent what stands for ? In respect of this , I am putting forward several names who I think are worthy canidates ..... Roger Eagle Ian Levine Soul Sam Mary Chapman Randy Cozens Over to you ...... Malc Burton For me it would have to be Edwin Starr...Many of the names mentioned came and went ,but Edwin Stayed with us untill the day he passed on..a true gent and a great embassador for this scene of ours..still missed, a great man Bazza Edited October 6, 2007 by bazza Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Find it hard to come up with just one name. There are many who have made a contribution to the scene, some more so than others, some without the recognition they deserve but each and everyone has played their part in making this scene what it is. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spanner Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Find it hard to come up with just one name. There are many who have made a contribution to the scene, some more so than others, some without the recognition they deserve but each and everyone has played their part in making this scene what it is. So true chalky now what about characters on the scene ,now this should be fun Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Whilst travelling back from Skegness in the early hours of this morning , I was listening ro Radio 2 ( as you do , unless it is a sunday morning , when it has to be R4 and the Archers omnibus ) , when the presenter announced that the results of the " Radio 2 Icon of the last 40 years " , were to be announced on Sunday afternoon , during their celebrations for the 40th anniversary for / of Radio 2 ..... This got me thinking ; though it started for many ( yours included ) several years before 1967 , we are celebrating 40 years of the Soul / Northern / Rare / Modern - call it what you will - scene in 2007 ..... Who would you consider to be the Icon of / for the scene over the last 40 years , and has representated , or represent what stands for ? In respect of this , I am putting forward several names who I think are worthy canidates ..... Roger Eagle Ian Levine Soul Sam Mary Chapman Randy Cozens Over to you ...... Malc Burton Actually selecting just one person from the last 40 years is a daunting task Malc. What I think could work, would be to put together a list of key contributors in the various decades over the entire period. For instance, the 60's would almost definitely have to include: Roger Eagle Trevor Churchill Dave Godin Brian '45' Phillips Etc, etc And the 70's John Anderson Ian Levine Colin Curtis Soul Sam Mary Chapman Etc, etc - you get the drift. In fact it would make a really nice project for someone who runs a magazine to do an 'icon a month' article and then turn it into a book sometime in the future. There's not enough documentation or first-hand accounts of the 60's era and even some of the info from the early 70's can be sketchy. Plus, as we know too well, none of us are getting any younger, so it would be great to do a definitive project which covered the whole era methinks.... Best, Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Barry Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 (edited) Only my opinion.... Musically, Searling. But in reality, the embodiement of the cuthroat, diehard soulie has to be, Pete Lawson. Edited October 21, 2007 by Barry Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Leigh J Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 No Guy Hennigan ! The Stafford crowd have to be mentioned , there would be no scene without them . In the 80's Guy had better records in his toilet than most 'DJs' , one i remember was Bobby Hutton Come see right there in his bog. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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