Mello Souls - We Can Make It .. Some Infos

[Tommaso]

Hi, I'm just curious to know how much does it cost now and how many copies are known.. Just a curiosity, I know that is unaffordable for me but I've never seen infos about it..

Thanks

[Chalky]

3 copies, Butch, Kitch and Kenny Burrell. I reckon this would fetch a nice 5 figure sum.

[Simon M]

3 copies, Butch, Kitch and Kenny Burrell. I reckon this would fetch a nice 5 figure sum.

Whose the Guy at the SolidHit gig who played it ? , obviously not Butch Dobson

[Tommaso]

I reckon this would fetch a nice 5 figure sum.

10000£???

[Chalky]

10000£???

wouldn't know what it would fetch to be honest Only one copy ever come up for sale in the past. But there are records bought and sold for 3 or 4k that are no where near as rare or as good.

Edited September 24, 2007 by chalky

[Baz Atkinson]

3 copies, Butch, Kitch and Kenny Burrell. I reckon this would fetch a nice 5 figure sum.

yep Kitch was a tad lucky with his find.

BAZ A

[Guest Baz]

Whose the Guy at the SolidHit gig who played it ? , obviously not Butch Dobson

Des Parker on his acetate?

[Simon M]

Des Parker on his acetate?

Ahh right , so is that 4 copies ?

[Prophonics 2029]

Des Parker on his acetate?

Is that a real acetate or a homemade on?.

[Guest Baz]

Far as im aware its a legit Acetate, from one of the band members or somthing along them lines

[Dave Abbott]

easy £10k; £15k would not surprise me...imo

[Quinvy]

Oh dear oh dear.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A:IT&ih=019

[Dylan]

Oh dear oh dear.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A:IT&ih=019

oh well I doubt this will effect the value of the originals. Plenty of people must have this in some format or other now.

[Shsdave]

Is that a real acetate or a homemade on?.

Yes it's Des that plays it at Solid Hit, it's certainly legit we don't play anything else at SHS

I thought from conversation with Des that it was a company acetate but I'm sure he will be on here sooner or later to clear that up (my memory isn't the best)

[Simsy]

Oh dear oh dear.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A:IT&ih=019

We never did identify this chatahootchie bloke from Bolton?

seller has two people operating the account natalie dempsey and nick??

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...=52547&st=0

Perhaps Simon (T) can show us his scan of the real one again?

[Chalky]

Yes it's Des that plays it at Solid Hit, it's certainly legit we don't play anything else at SHS

I thought from conversation with Des that it was a company acetate but I'm sure he will be on here sooner or later to clear that up (my memory isn't the best)

It's a Dick Charles acetate if memory serves me correctly. Sure Des will confirm one way or the other when he reads this.

Mello Souls also have another release on Candi, One side is Silus Phifer & & the Mellow Fellows and the t'other side is Edwin Johnson and the Mellow Fellows. I'll post some sound files when I've had some tea.

Edited September 24, 2007 by chalky

[Simon T]

Perhaps Simon (T) can show us his scan of the real one again?

It’ll be on the pressings, just trying to think what to boot on the other side! 

Seriously though, might there be just too much flak for booting a record that has a ‘status’ such as the MS? Or is nothing ‘untouchable’ in the grimy world of bootlegging on the Northern scene?

[Guest Matt Male]

Always reminds me of The Combinations - Watchya Gonna Do. Is there any connection in terms of songwriting or production? The lead singer sounds similar to my ears as well.

[Chalky]

Always reminds me of The Combinations - Watchya Gonna Do. Is there any connection in terms of songwriting or production? The lead singer sounds similar to my ears as well.

no connection at all. Lead singers sound nothing like each other to these ears

Edited September 24, 2007 by chalky

[Pauldonnelly]

records like this should never be booted.

I have no problems with the folk that make them available only the ones that buy them, those that buy them and then stick a label scan on the top deserve to contract Blue Tounge syndrome.

Cya..

[Gasher]

come on lets face it .......its not a bootleg really its a dub

its not made for mass financial gain or trying to fool anyone

I guess most of us have it in one format or another

Mines a 10" london studios dub and I play it at home regularly

so not really a boot either

Its just nice to be able to hear it when it takes my fancy..

It'll be on the pressings, just trying to think what to boot on the other side!

Seriously though, might there be just too much flak for booting a record that has a 'status' such as the MS? Or is nothing 'untouchable' in the grimy world of bootlegging on the Northern scene?

[Speedlimit]

Hi, I'm just curious to know how much does it cost now and how many copies are known.. Just a curiosity, I know that is unaffordable for me but I've never seen infos about it..

Thanks

the last copy for sale was the one kenny brought of shifty a couple of years ago went for £10.000 then

[Guest Awake 502]

no connection at all. Lead singers sound nothing like each other to these ears

Indeed, one of them has a decent voice....

[Cunnie]

Full length clear version of The Combinations here Darran.

Takes me back to the days when it was covered as The Chessmen.

Nothing against Mello Souls but if the cash was there I know which i'd buy.

Edited September 24, 2007 by CUNNIE

[Guest Matt Male]

Nothing against Mello Souls but if the cash was there I know which i'd buy.

[Guest Roccia]

the last copy for sale was the one kenny brought of shifty a couple of years ago went for £10.000 then

If it's the one on the right it's more than two years ago. Pic shot at Fleetwood 2003...

Edited September 25, 2007 by Roccia

[Corbett80]

classic picture!

Roccia you are a braver man than me, I would of passed out with all that soul either side of my head!

Is it really fair of Kenny to that to someone.....?

made my morning that has...brilliant

ps. Isn't the MS booked in at £8000 in Tims guide?

Also I heard there is no label info on the record? Where is it out of?

Edited September 28, 2007 by mulf

[Guest Roccia]

classic picture!

Roccia you are a braver man than me, I would of passed out with all that soul either side of my head!

Is it really fair of Kenny to that to someone.....?

made my morning that has...brilliant

ps. Isn't the MS booked in at £8000 in Tims guide?

Also I heard there is no label info on the record? Where is it out of?

Mulf, yes in Tim's book the MS (wrote as "Mellow") have an eight grand tag...

[Garethx]

Wilmington, Delaware? Home of Chavis, Candi labels.

Edited September 28, 2007 by garethx

[macca]

great pic. the expression on your face says it all, roccia.

should be denounced as a form of torture, the iraqis at abu greiv got off lightly I think.

[Pauldonnelly]

If Butch was the first ever NS type geezer that heard this Mello Soul via whatever format I have this vision of Dobson saying..

"thats shyte , can I hear it again please"

[Guest Roccia]

great pic. the expression on your face says it all, roccia.

should be denounced as a form of torture, the iraqis at abu greiv got off lightly I think.

Macca, Amnesty International is on the case...

[soulfulsaint]

Wilmington, Delaware? Home of Chavis, Candi labels.

I think it may be Wilmington, North Carolina. Gareth. The city was at the centre of a big civil rights dispute in early '70s, the largest demonstration following the assassination of Martin Luther King. A local militant Ben Chavis and nine others were arrested and became known as the Wilmington Ten. They were given 282 Years imprisonment. The Chavis label was named after Ben Chavis. Here is an image of Chavis below. Doubt he was in the Mello Souls but they probably did a benefit for him. Chavis is now a figurehead in hip-hop and organised the Million Man March.

Edited September 28, 2007 by soulfulsaint

[Simon T]

Also I heard there is no label info on the record? Where is it out of?

There is, and it suggests it out of the  Philadelphia area.

[soulfulsaint]

There is, and it suggests it out of the Philadelphia area.

what's the info Simon - phone number zip code, I assumed there was no label info either?

[Jaco]

The label scan that I've seen doesn't have any info on, so how does Philly become the place of origin?

Lord Tim of Todmorden reckons Wilmington, Deleware. Would you bet against him?

On the other hand Stuart's explanation seem equally plausible.

Questions, questions......

[Steve G]

Lord Tim of Todmorden reckons Wilmington, Deleware. Would you bet against him?

Sometimes I would actually - knowledgable but like everyone he doesn't know everything

[Jaco]

Sometimes I would actually - knowledgable but like everyone he doesn't know everything

I understand, Steve. It's just one of those connumdrums - maybe the most vaunted track of the recent era, we just want to fill in the details, don't we?

[boba]

The label scan that I've seen doesn't have any info on, so how does Philly become the place of origin?

Lord Tim of Todmorden reckons Wilmington, Deleware. Would you bet against him?

On the other hand Stuart's explanation seem equally plausible.

Questions, questions......

I don't know about the mello souls, but the actual Chavis record labels all say Wilmington, Delaware on them.

[Steve G]

I understand, Steve. It's just one of those connumdrums - maybe the most vaunted track of the recent era, we just want to fill in the details, don't we?

Yes and I can't help I am afraid.

[macca]

on this scene there are undoubtedly people with vast knowledge, but acquiring rare soul knowledge is rather like studying picasso's guernika, everytime you cast an eye over it you'll find some little detail that had gone unnoticed before. it's like an inexhaustible canvas, there'll always be gaps to fill in. what am I on this morning? must be the coffee...

[Steve G]

on this scene there are undoubtedly people with vast knowledge, but acquiring rare soul knowledge is rather like studying picasso's guernika, everytime you cast an eye over it you'll find some little detail that had gone unnoticed before. it's like an inexhaustible canvas, there'll always be gaps to fill in. what am I on this morning? must be the coffee...

But that is precisely what keeps it so interesting Macca. It would be boring if everything was catalogued / known etc. There's always something new to know and nobody knows it all, or has all the records.

Regards

Steve

[Chalky]

There is, and it suggests it out of the Philadelphia area.

I've been told there's detail in the run out to suggest Philly.

I don't know about the mello souls, but the actual Chavis record labels all say Wilmington, Delaware on them.

I'm led to believe one of the copies was found in the Wilmington, Delaware area

[Garethx]

The Chavis and Candi labels predate the political struggle you outline Stuart, by some years. As for the Philly connection it's quite probable that the records were pressed there as it would be the nearest city with the apparatus to do so: it's only about thirty miles away and would be the obvious place to press and distribute (or not in this case!) records by Wilmington groups.

[soulfulsaint]

The Chavis and Candi labels predate the political struggle you outline Stuart, by some years. As for the Philly connection it's quite probable that the records were pressed there as it would be the nearest city with the apparatus to do so: it's only about thirty miles away and would be the obvious place to press and distribute (or not in this case!) records by Wilmington groups.

..yes by a few years if Chavis is late 60s label and it is deffo Delaware. Apols for a detour Gareth.

Wilmington, Delaware is the Amtrak station before Philadelphia on the New York DC rail route. There is a local Delaware funk musician Gerald Chavis

who is a regular backing musician - its not a common name so maybe his father owned Chavis? No obvious connection with Mello Souls but another lead.

https://www.geraldchavis.com/

[jocko]

..yes by a few years if Chavis is late 60s label and it is deffo Delaware. Apols for a detour Gareth.

Wilmington, Delaware is the Amtrak station before Philadelphia on the New York DC rail route. There is a local Delaware funk musician Gerald Chavis

who is a regular backing musician - its not a common name so maybe his father owned Chavis? No obvious connection with Mello Souls but another lead.

https://www.geraldchavis.com/

Stuart as always a great mine of information.

There may be no obvious connection but I bet you there are currently about 1000 people trying to find out if there is any, he may grow to hate you Stuart!

Hope you are well

Jock

PS Make sure that man Cowan doesn't mention Motherwell/Hibs too much if you can!

[soulfulsaint]

Stuart as always a great mine of information.

There may be no obvious connection but I bet you there are currently about 1000 people trying to find out if there is any, he may grow to hate you Stuart!

Hope you are well

Jock

PS Make sure that man Cowan doesn't mention Motherwell/Hibs too much if you can!

Will do Jock. I'll get thru to Edinburgh for a night soon. I still wonder why Luther Ingram was on Hib Records, but that's another post/

[Chalky]

..yes by a few years if Chavis is late 60s label and it is deffo Delaware. Apols for a detour Gareth.

Wilmington, Delaware is the Amtrak station before Philadelphia on the New York DC rail route. There is a local Delaware funk musician Gerald Chavis

who is a regular backing musician - its not a common name so maybe his father owned Chavis? No obvious connection with Mello Souls but another lead.

https://www.geraldchavis.com/

The Chavis and Candi labels were owned by James Chavis and they are definately from Wilmington, Delaware. Both labels started life in the early 60's with Chavis existing into the 70's according to R&B indies. Both shared the same address 617 4th st. I'll post the Silus Phifer/Edwin Johnson & Mellow Fellows record shortly.

[Prophonics 2029]

That sounds like them, so the singer of The Mello Souls is Silus.

[Chalky]

That sounds like them, so the singer of The Mello Souls is Silus.

Thats the general opinion of those I know have heard it.