Ashford Archer Archer

[Guest]

Since I first got to know Eddie Parker on Ashford in the mid-seventies most collectors and dealers said issues(white with green A), if Archer stamped, are originals. The last couple of years it seems as though the small Archer stamped copies are being regarded as re-issues/ counterfeits and only a large ARCHER stamped copy is an original. I was told, and have read that "Love You Baby" was a local hit in the Detroit area in 1968 selling several thousand copies, if thats true there should be lots of large Archer stamped copies about, but nearly all the copies I have looked at in original sales boxes for 30 years have small Archer stamps with the er of Archer running slightly downhill. There are also some other Ashford "Love You Baby" 45's exactly the same look and feel as the small archer stamped copy with no stamp at all. Are all three variations mentioned above part of the 1968 release/promotion/sales (three different pressing batches because of demand) or where some done later for the Northern Scene? (PS. I am not counting the 70's blue label styrene pressing or the recent look-a-like Ashford) Hope someone can help.

[Chalky]

large archer 1st issue, small archer 2nd issue

[Nick Hackett]

I always thought the small archer stamped copies are legit reissues and the copies with no stamp in the run out are boots.The originals are with larger ARCHER stamped,the same large ARCHER is also on Carol Jones Problem Child/Dont destroy me on Mutt.As for how many are out there if local hit??? The white demo would be nice.

[Chalky]

I always thought the small archer stamped copies are legit reissues and the copies with no stamp in the run out are boots.The originals are with larger ARCHER stamped,the same large ARCHER is also on Carol Jones Problem Child/Dont destroy me on Mutt.As for how many are out there if local hit??? The white demo would be nice.

small archer is legit.....

Boots as you say have no stamp.

[Pauldonnelly]

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[Guest]

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Cheers

[Guest]

small archer is legit.....

Boots as you say have no stamp.

Eddie Parker Ashford 45s with small ARCHER stamps are counterfeits made in New York. If you check the vinyl, you'll find it is identical to the truck load of other "counterfeit" titles sold as originals in the 70s. Also try and find another genuine ARCHER pressing using those unconvincing staggered tiny letters mimicking ARCHER, their isn't one.

It is a HUGE misconception that if a song was a hit, then it should be common. "Mustang Sally" was almost a 1,000,000 seller, try and find a mint copy of that!

"Checker Board Squares" alledgedly sold 60,000+ in the bay area alone.

Commoner rare soul 45s are the ones where the owners got ambitious and pressed too many them, and they then ended up in the corner of warehouses or cut out stock.

Some major hits are very tough to find, local hits, these days, are damn hard to find.

Just check the vinyl type on Eddie Parker you'll find the vinyl is identical to all the other COUNTERFEITS that emerged from New York in the mid-70s, it certainly ain't a Detroit press and the archer stamp isn't authentic either.

Edited September 10, 2007 by john manship

[Benelew]

Eddie Parker Ashford 45s with small ARCHER stamps are counterfeits made in New York. If you check the vinyl, you'll find it is identical to the truck load of other "counterfeit" titles sold as originals in the 70s. Also try and find another genuine ARCHER pressing using those unconvincing staggered tiny letters mimicking ARCHER, their isn't one.

It is a HUGE misconception that if a song was a hit, then it should be common. "Mustang Sally" was almost a 1,000,000 seller, try and find a mint copy of that!

"Checker Board Squares" alledgedly sold 60,000+ in the bay area alone.

Commoner rare soul 45s are the ones where the owners got ambitious and pressed too many them, and they then ended up in the corner of warehouses or cut out stock.

Some major hits are very tough to find, local hits, these days, are damn hard to find.

Just check the vinyl type on Eddie Parker you'll find the vinyl is identical to all the other COUNTERFEITS that emerged from New York in the mid-70s, it certainly ain't a Detroit press and the archer stamp isn't authentic either.

John, fair point about the million sellers but isn't the question of finding MINT condition copies of hit 45s another issue? - surely the fact they were hits suggests that most sold copies were well played/used making it harder (relatively speaking) to find Ex or better quality copies.

Jorge

[Guest]

Eddie Parker Ashford 45s with small ARCHER stamps are counterfeits made in New York. If you check the vinyl, you'll find it is identical to the truck load of other "counterfeit" titles sold as originals in the 70s. Also try and find another genuine ARCHER pressing using those unconvincing staggered tiny letters mimicking ARCHER, their isn't one.

It is a HUGE misconception that if a song was a hit, then it should be common. "Mustang Sally" was almost a 1,000,000 seller, try and find a mint copy of that!

"Checker Board Squares" alledgedly sold 60,000+ in the bay area alone.

Commoner rare soul 45s are the ones where the owners got ambitious and pressed too many them, and they then ended up in the corner of warehouses or cut out stock.

Some major hits are very tough to find, local hits, these days, are damn hard to find.

Just check the vinyl type on Eddie Parker you'll find the vinyl is identical to all the other COUNTERFEITS that emerged from New York in the mid-70s, it certainly ain't a Detroit press and the archer stamp isn't authentic either.

Just been looking at a few random Large ARCHER stamped records like "I Don't Know How" - Superlatives - Westbound and Trying Real Hard(Holding On) Magictones on Westbound and "I Have Faith In You"(Bari Track)- Doni Burdick - Sound Impression and very faintly in the run-outs they all have a small sctatched in design like an M with a W on top with a W to the left, on its side.

The Small stamped Eddie Parker and the the Ashford without the stamp have this 3 W design scratched in the run-out! I don't know about the large stamped Ashford issue because I have never seen one, only demo. Does this 3 W design connect the Eddie Parkers to the Archer pressing plant or is it bootleggers getting down to some very fine detail? (P.S. The original Johnny Braggs with the picture sleeve have the same 3 W design scratched in the run-out). I hope this is not sending you all to sleep!