Overkill A Problem ?

[Bazza]

Why has it got to be upfront OR classic oldies.....why cant these Venues do a good Mix....some folk (me included ) want to hear the great Big money classics along side the upfront stuff..but this seems to be a problem for promoters ..........I dont understand why it has to be one or the other...the oldies only do's alienate the upfront fans ......the upfront do's alienate the classic oldies fans....bloody daft

Not to mention none of em play enough R&B ( for me )

Bazza

[Md Records]

Who decides what is a crap venue & who is a crap D.J. , there are a few that I think are "crap" that others feel are brilliant, am I right or are they wrong - don't lose sleep over any of this, let's have a bit more common sense about "clashing" but don't let anyone dictate to you about whether you can or can't run a venue.

Des Parker

[Guest James Trouble]

the scene will die soon anyhow, we ain't getting any younger, and perhaps that's how it should be.

as to there only being a handful of upfront venues then that's the natural selection i and dawin are on about. the populus is chosing alternate to upfront and deciding they want their 'classic'.

although i may or may not agree with 'them', 'they' should not be judged as a lower form of northern life.

Yeah, the populus are sheep, lost sheep without a clue. They just follow each other like stupid sheep. Stick em all in one big pen and cull the lot of them. A mass culling.

That's not natural selection, that's just stupid sheep being slaughtered. Or maybe stick them in a silly farm where kids can go and feed them, point at them and study them.

Natural selection kills off beautiful and rare animals. Natural selection is not a good thing, but a mass culling can be.

This is not about upfront/oldies. It's about good. Too many crap events killing off the good ones.

I'm bloody angry to hear that Lifeline might be stopping while so many crap events are still running. It's just plain wrong.

Edited September 6, 2007 by James Trouble

[night nurse]

as many of you know i run east kirkby miners and have done since march i took over from carl piper who played oldies i have nothing against oldies venues i used to go to carls due and enjoyed it but when i took over i changed it to across the board i dont get a lot in but what people come know what they going to get we play a very good mixture of northern motown r/b and a little modern. i noticed that tomoorow there are 23 venues on in different places so is there to many venues on as most promoters know its a lot of hard work to put a venue on that pleases everyone. im a little fish in a big pond and sometimes feel like im drowning some say you have to put a big name on to get um in (rubbish i say) i have had big names on and no more people came than having a lesser know on what i think i am trying to say is if people want to pay there 3 quid and come to mine thats great but if they want to pay there 3 quid thats ok aswell.i think there are a few reasons that some clubs are failing and i agree with bazza to many djs are becomeing predictable in what they play i am not making any jugment on them for that but i think we need to move on a litle play the the classics yes but also give the tunes that dont get played anymore another outing i feel its time to take a few risks what clears the floor one week can fill it another . i am not haveing a pop at anyone or any venue by saying this but my venue will stay i wont throw the towel in i will keep pushing it and plugging it every were i go we at east kirkby will play across the board music and will play request if i aint got it then one of the djs may

[night nurse]

Who decides what is a crap venue & who is a crap D.J. , there are a few that I think are "crap" that others feel are brilliant, am I right or are they wrong - don't lose sleep over any of this, let's have a bit more common sense about "clashing" but don't let anyone dictate to you about whether you can or can't run a venue.

Des Parker

totaly agree after all if we dont keep this scean going who will

[Toodarnsoulful]

end of the day its everyones personal choice, if they choose to go to the venues which some deem as shit, so be it..each to their own....

I know what i like and i attend those venues which meet my soulful needs, its a shame some venues like Lifeline are thinking about not holding it so regularly but what can you do..force people to go? if they dont have taste then so be it!!heehee only kiddin...

im just gutted i havent made it to Lifeline yet as it looks right up my street musically..lets just get on with it and maybe be a little more consious of what nights people are clashing with if it can be helped...For me the overkill is actually brilliant!!! i've been starved back in ireland for years and now im like a pig in shit!!! and tortured trying to decide what to go too!! soo good and im a happy chappy..

James hope to bump into you soon, maybe sooner than you thinks!!

As for someone saying the soul scene will die, i dont think that will happen its growing v strong throughout Europe and US with many younger soulies doin there thing...it may get smaller but it wont die...

L

[Reg]

Yes there are two many nights on..it's madness. Recently in the Stockport area there were 3 oldies nights on the same Friday...all similar styles that would attract the same kind of punter. I live in Stockport and wouldn't go to any of them normally. However...myself and a good friend of mine from SS who I won't name as I don't want to cause unnecessary embarrassment (paypal/cash will be fine... ) went down to the Guild Hall as an alternative to the local pub. Now I'm sure there are plenty of you on here who are familiar with the Guild Hall (whether you will admit it or not) but it is run by Ian Obeng who does the Nite Owl radio show...he's been running nights for years round these parts. I'd been a few times before and I have to admit the venue is just right for a soul nite/niter and the music had improved slightly since my last visit (I didn't hear Dobie Gray once...)but it was still mainstream oldies and I wouldn't make a habit of going as it doesn't float my boat as Mr Bicknell would say.

However the place was DEAD! There couldn't have been more than about 50 in and it's a large 2 room venue. Years ago it used to be hammered like Bury or Lowton but it really was empty. Looking around on listings there was so much else on that weekend in the same area I'm not surprised. Not a sign of anything on the rare side but oldies nights all over sharing the punters. What really is the point?

All the decent rare type events are so inaccessible for me if I don't want to drive. At one time it was so easy to get to Sheridans for Lifeline, Soul or Nothing in Manchester...now it's winding country roads to the middle of nowhere if I want a decent night out so apart from the Greatstone and Middleton I don't really bother as I don't enjoy staring into a glass of coke all night whilst my husband looks at records.

Re what James said I do think it's probably better in London to a certain extent as everywhere is a bit easier to get to and people are generally younger so you can play what you like and not worry about keeping the oldies crowd happy.

[Rbman]

I'm bloody angry to hear that Lifeline might be stopping .........

Is that right James?

[Guest Black Gold of the Sun]

After following this with interest I feel that the upfront/rare soul or what ever crowd is probably too small to sustain more than one event per weekend.It must come down to the promoters to get together to avoid clashes.Be it because of finacial considerations distance to travel or whatever people are much more selective in their choice of venue.I have to agree though that it would be a body blow if Lifeline had to come to an end.Regarding the abundance of local/smallervenues/oldies nights,their sucess/failiure is more down to market forces than type of music/playlists.I really dont feel that they compete with Lifeline etc.The person who attends both type of event is few and far between.The sucess of Burnley(apart from Great music and DJs)can in part be put down to being on a Friday night.Dont know If this is something Lifeline have thought about ?

Edited September 6, 2007 by Black Gold of the Sun

[Chalky]

Is that right James?

Yes, don't think there is any "might be" about it.

[stomper45]

After following this with interest I feel that the upfront/rare soul or what ever crowd is probably too small to sustain more than one event per weekend.It must come down to the promoters to get together to avoid clashes.Be it because of finacial considerations distance to travel or whatever people are much more selective in their choice of venue.I have to agree though that it would be a body blow if Lifeline had to come to an end.Regarding the abundance of local/smallervenues/oldies nights,their sucess/failiure is more down to market forces than type of music/playlists.I really dont feel that they compete with Lifeline etc.The person who attends both type of event is few and far between.The sucess of Burnley(apart from Great music and DJs)can in part be put down to being on a Friday night.Dont know If this is something Lifeline have thought about ?

Fridays are good as they dont "tie up" rest of weekend for those with busy lives, lots happen between thursday intending to go and saturday no show. Fridays make it harder for people coming from afar so more suited to local.

Remember when used to run a club in kempston/bedford thursdays was a good night for local do's (as most went to niters/all dayers weekend) with people travelling 30-40 miles, think hard midweek now tho.

[Chalky]

After following this with interest I feel that the upfront/rare soul or what ever crowd is probably too small to sustain more than one event per weekend.It must come down to the promoters to get together to avoid clashes.Be it because of finacial considerations distance to travel or whatever people are much more selective in their choice of venue.I have to agree though that it would be a body blow if Lifeline had to come to an end.Regarding the abundance of local/smallervenues/oldies nights,their sucess/failiure is more down to market forces than type of music/playlists.I really dont feel that they compete with Lifeline etc.The person who attends both type of event is few and far between.The sucess of Burnley(apart from Great music and DJs)can in part be put down to being on a Friday night.Dont know If this is something Lifeline have thought about ?

Whats the numbers in attendance at Burnley ( I read the reports on here but most lookbacks from a very vocal few and don't always get the full picture), not been for a while and when I did it was quiet although music very good? The Wilton has had it's fair share of poorly attended nights. Fridays just aren't an option for some due to work and family commitments.

I worked out Lifelines dates (months in advance) so that no clashes with any other nighter or soul night, especially those who are trying to do something different. I got in touch with promoters to see what their plans were and this was working well. There was no clashes when I planned and subsequently advertised our dates, even with Friday night nighters. I don't think there was much else could have done to be honest.

[Rushden Vic]

Whats the numbers in attendance at Burnley ( I read the reports on here but most lookbacks from a very vocal few and don't always get the full picture), not been for a while and when I did it was quiet although music very good? The Wilton has had it's fair share of poorly attended nights. Fridays just aren't an option for some due to work and family commitments.

I worked out Lifelines dates (months in advance) so that no clashes with any other nighter or soul night, especially those who are trying to do something different. I got in touch with promoters to see what their plans were and this was working well. There was no clashes when I planned and subsequently advertised our dates, even with Friday night nighters. I don't think there was much else could have done to be honest.

chalky

the last burnley was the busiest ive seen think phil k is the only one to give exact numbers but it was packed , but as you know its not a massive venue , i would say there was 200 + in .

Edited September 6, 2007 by Tony Parker

[Chalky]

chalky

the last burnley was the busiest ive seen think phil k is the only one to give exact numbers but it was packed , but as you know its not a massive venue , i would say there was 200 + in .

a good turnout then. Just out of interest in relation to the Friday night nighters theme, are the number rising, steady or fluctuating?

[soul45s]

a good turnout then. Just out of interest in relation to the Friday night nighters theme, are the number rising, steady or fluctuating?

Hi Chalky

I would say that every month numbers are rising gradually (at Burnley, anyway)

regards

paul

[pikeys dog]

They must have almost doubled in the last few months as I was there in May(?) and there was about 100 - 120 people in... comfortably busy....

Edited September 6, 2007 by pikeys dog

[Ezzie Brown]

City A has a soul night getting a couple of hundred in, drawing in people from city B, C and D as well.

Some of the people attending from City B see quite a few people from their area in attendance and decide that they could put on a night in their city and not have to travel quite so far for a night out.

The Soul night at City A loses about a sixth of its regular 'punters' in one fell swoop.

City C is inbetween city A and B, so many of the people from that city decide to alternate between the venues each month as "City A will always be on next month", causing a further loss.

City A's venue is now down to just over 50% of it's regular customer base, the venue is slightly too big and it's difficult to get an atmosphere going...

People from Cities A, B, C and D bemoan the lack of atmosphere and start dropping off slowly but surely.

City A's club decide to stick to there guns, booking decent DJs, trying to ride out the storm.

Finally after a few bad nights City As promoters can't afford the venue at a loss so the venue closes, and instead of one decent sized venue with decent music, you end up with a couple more smaller nights popping up for a couple of months at a time whilst 'wannabe' promotors/DJs get it out of there system.

So who's at fault?

City B's promoters for wanting a slice of the cake?

City A's promoters for not changing their formerly successful format?

City C's customers for splitting their attendance instead of being 'loyal' to one club?

Sounds a bit daft but it happens....

A B C ITS AS EASY AS 1 2 3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Manfromsoul45s]

I think this thread says it all. Too much talkin and no doing and that will never change.

I have and others i know have ran venues over the years because we were constantly told "we need an upfront venue" but then to hear "sorry i can't make it to this one, but good luck and will try to be at the next" again and again and again, (when they have gone to their local oldies night) Now all that happens is "could'nt make it to this one any chance of a playlist"

Personally i don't think playlists should be posted..if you wanted to see if it was a good night you went to it and sitting at home judging wether or not it was a good night does'nt help..yes the sounds help, but it is ultimately people you see there and the laughs and jokes you have on the night.

I have been to soul nites with very upfront values to find (and hate to say this) a bunch of boring chin scratchers..

I think the saying is there is nowt as fickle as folk...

[Chalky]

I think this thread says it all. Too much talkin and no doing and that will never change.

I have and others i know have ran venues over the years because we were constantly told "we need an upfront venue" but then to hear "sorry i can't make it to this one, but good luck and will try to be at the next" again and again and again, (when they have gone to their local oldies night) Now all that happens is "could'nt make it to this one any chance of a playlist"

Personally i don't think playlists should be posted..if you wanted to see if it was a good night you went to it and sitting at home judging wether or not it was a good night does'nt help..yes the sounds help, but it is ultimately people you see there and the laughs and jokes you have on the night.

I have been to soul nites with very upfront values to find (and hate to say this) a bunch of boring chin scratchers..

I think the saying is there is nowt as fickle as folk...

[Mark Bicknell]

I think this thread says it all. Too much talkin and no doing and that will never change.

I have and others i know have ran venues over the years because we were constantly told "we need an upfront venue" but then to hear "sorry i can't make it to this one, but good luck and will try to be at the next" again and again and again, (when they have gone to their local oldies night) Now all that happens is "could'nt make it to this one any chance of a playlist"

Personally i don't think playlists should be posted..if you wanted to see if it was a good night you went to it and sitting at home judging wether or not it was a good night does'nt help..yes the sounds help, but it is ultimately people you see there and the laughs and jokes you have on the night.

I have been to soul nites with very upfront values to find (and hate to say this) a bunch of boring chin scratchers..

I think the saying is there is nowt as fickle as folk...

And so say all of us, well some of us, well me totally agree spot on.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Edited September 6, 2007 by Mark Bicknell

[night nurse]

well all i got to say that i as a promoter try to give people what they want i dont always get it right but who does over the past 7 month i think i have chose some of the best djs around some who have done it for free and my hat goes out to them all weather they got paid or not. let keep it simple northern soul is a way of life or so i was lead to believe i travel to lots of venues and can say hand on haert i love the scean 99% of the folks we have met are freindly folk

[good angel]

I have been to soul nites with very upfront values to find (and hate to say this) a bunch of boring chin scratchers..

I think the saying is there is nowt as fickle as folk...

Edited September 6, 2007 by good angel

[Dave]

As for your comments which seem to be aimed at THE ATTIC , sorry m8 two totally differant venues(UNION) , both absolutely fantastic in there own right. No clashes, no back biting , no politics and none of this Bollox about overkill FFS

"Aimed"?? I asked a question of one of the promoters.. sorry, didn't realise that was overstepping the mark!

I know how good the Trent night is, and have no doubt the attic is "fantastic" too, but as for "no clashes", what is the term to describe two events on the same night within 15 miles of eachother then??

[Bazza]

Can Some one explain to me why ...If you want to play upfront tunes ,the Venue has to be an " upfront " only do' why Cant you mix em in at a Normal Do'..I honestly Dont understand.

why is there this need to split the genre's..???????....not genre's styles may be a better word....you know what I mean

Bazza

Edited September 6, 2007 by bazza

[Coops]

Why has it got to be upfront OR classic oldies.....why cant these Venues do a good Mix....some folk (me included ) want to hear the great Big money classics along side the upfront stuff..but this seems to be a problem for promoters ..........I dont understand why it has to be one or the other...the oldies only do's alienate the upfront fans ......the upfront do's alienate the classic oldies fans....bloody daft

Not to mention none of em play enough R&B ( for me )

Bazza

i agree totally bazza, get ALL the northern genre played in a venue, something for all even if only one room available then others can hear something different and maybe grow to appreciate it more.

[Coops]

Yeah, the populus are sheep, lost sheep without a clue. They just follow each other like stupid sheep. Stick em all in one big pen and cull the lot of them. A mass culling.

That's not natural selection, that's just stupid sheep being slaughtered. Or maybe stick them in a silly farm where kids can go and feed them, point at them and study them.

Natural selection kills off beautiful and rare animals. Natural selection is not a good thing, but a mass culling can be.

This is not about upfront/oldies. It's about good. Too many crap events killing off the good ones.

I'm bloody angry to hear that Lifeline might be stopping while so many crap events are still running. It's just plain wrong.

that's a bit judgemental Mr.T, a man once said something like that in the 1930s and 12 million people that didn't fit in with his ideals were actually culled! .... just saying

[Chalky]

Can Some one explain to me why ...If you want to play upfront tunes ,the Venue has to be an " upfront " only do' why Cant you mix em in at a Normal Do'..I honestly Dont understand.

why is there this need to split the genre's..???????....not genre's styles may be a better word....you know what I mean

Bazza

Along side the lesser known/unknown tracks Lifeline does play oldies but not the oldies you hear week in week out (well we try not to although I'm sure some that you do hear out on a regular basis do find their way to the turntables)....some are fed up with hearing the same records week in week out. It's like going to the local night club and hearing the top 40 for 20 or 30 years!!!!

Some promoters err to much on the side of caution and are afraid to take risks. They would sooner have four dj's who play it safe rather than three who play the usual and one who plays something different to try and intoduce something new to punters.

[Guest James Trouble]

Can Some one explain to me why ...If you want to play upfront tunes ,the Venue has to be an " upfront " only do' why Cant you mix em in at a Normal Do'..I honestly Dont understand.

why is there this need to split the genre's..???????....not genre's styles may be a better word....you know what I mean

Bazza

Upfront/backwards/oldies/newies, it's irrelevent with reference to this thread really. It's about putting on damn good, exciting parties where we all have a great time, it's worth travelling to and spending money to attend and the music gets the explosive action on the dance floor that it deserves, not half full venues with a bunch of tired looking bored people.

Two nights on in the same town is plain stupidity. In fact, idiotic.

The nights with the best venue, best sound system and best music + DJs should be allowed to have the area, and that's not just on the same night, that's on the same weekend IMO, and perhaps for really big events they should be allowed the freedom of the area a week either side as well.

Is it going to happen? I doubt it. But it should.

[Guest Bearsy]

What i cant understand and doubt if i ever will. we all know how good Lifeline is when it comes to fresh tunes etc etc (i cant wait to make my first visit at the next one as im even booking my holiday to get an early flight back so i can jump straight into the motor and do the 250/300 mile trek for it) , there are so many people just on this Site saying we need more venues like it and they are sick to the back teeth of the same old same old and no doubt so many more that dont come on this site are the same, if the scene was so much for an event like this why the hell are Chalky and the boys thinking of packing it up, the place should be rammed solid every time with upfront Soulies queueing down the road to get in there cos its not like you get this option every bloody week is it, if you like oldies or upfront it shouldnt matter, this event comes accross to me as one of the leading venues in giving you the best quality tunes in the world every time they open their doors yet a couple of same old same old venues are giving it competition, how the hell can that happen, its time to stop talking a good job and get off your arses and support the venue that gives you the tunes you crave for,

Chalky good luck and dont give up just yet ,

you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it swim

[Manfromsoul45s]

Can Some one explain to me why ...If you want to play upfront tunes ,the Venue has to be an " upfront " only do' why Cant you mix em in at a Normal Do'..I honestly Dont understand.

why is there this need to split the genre's..???????....not genre's styles may be a better word....you know what I mean

Bazza

I don't think it does have to be seen as that. The trouble is the most vocal on the subject over the years don't go nowhere.

I have to say though when the white swan in mansfield was on (R. Marroitt & J. Wensiora Promotion).

there was a mixture of all genres and the only people to squark were oldies fans, but hey mr m's was peanut flavour i think. but even that died off like most venues to be followed by another later on.

But nighters are'nt the lifeblood, they were years ago but not so much now, and it certainly is not "a way of life" we said that when we were kids..but hey if people wanna conduct there day to day affairs with baggies on and smashed thats their choice i suppose.

[Dave]

i reckon over the years theres always been to many venues , the majority run by promoters who have little or no interest in keeping the scene fresh and more keen to line there pockets .

punters especially those who return after a 20 year absence and just wanna hear the same old stuff churned out to remind them of there youth .

its always been the same with just the hardcore collecters /djs trying to play upfront stuff some of which eventually trickles through to the mainstream venues

wannabee djs with no records or knowledge start promoting so they can dj then get other dj promoter pals so they can all slap each other on the back and dj at each others events.

the amount of decent upfront venues you can count on one hand but they do have a sizeable following and if it wasnt for these , the scene in my opinion would be in a sorry state .

i hope andy dyson and mick h reconsider cancelling the lifeline nighters as this is what it should be about hearing new and underplayed quality soul . for me thats what keeps my interest there after 30 odd years without the likes of lifeline/burnley and being with likeminded people who still care about the scene progressing .

Good post, agree with all of it.

It seems a majority on this thread think there is overkill and that clashes are a bad thing.

I get the impression though that a lot of promoters and DJs think that other people's events are at fault and not their own.

Those that are detemined to get behind the decks will find a way of doing it and justifying it, regardless of how it fragments the scene.

[Manfromsoul45s]

What i cant understand and doubt if i ever will. we all know how good Lifeline is when it comes to fresh tunes etc etc (i cant wait to make my first visit at the next one as im even booking my holiday to get an early flight back so i can jump straight into the motor and do the 250/300 mile trek for it) , there are so many people just on this Site saying we need more venues like it and they are sick to the back teeth of the same old same old and no doubt so many more that dont come on this site are the same, if the scene was so much for an event like this why the hell are Chalky and the boys thinking of packing it up, the place should be rammed solid every time with upfront Soulies queueing down the road to get in there cos its not like you get this option every bloody week is it, if you like oldies or upfront it shouldnt matter, this event comes accross to me as one of the leading venues in giving you the best quality tunes in the world every time they open their doors yet a couple of same old same old venues are giving it competition, how the hell can that happen, its time to stop talking a good job and get off your arses and support the venue that gives you the tunes you crave for,

Chalky good luck and dont give up just yet ,

Now that's what i'm talkin bout brother.....

you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it swim

[Guest James Trouble]

that's a bit judgemental Mr.T, a man once said something like that in the 1930s and 12 million people that didn't fit in with his ideals were actually culled! .... just saying

Fair enough, it is judgemental. Guilty as charged.

I appologise to any sheep reading this

[Guest dundeedavie]

The nights with the best venue, best sound system and best music + DJs should be allowed to have the area, and that's not just on the same night, that's on the same weekend IMO, and perhaps for really big events they should be allowed the freedom of the area a week either side as well.

Is it going to happen? I doubt it. But it should.

love the idea but surely most of that is personal taste? so who decides?

[Bazza]

Upfront/backwards/oldies/newies, it's irrelevent with reference to this thread really. It's about putting on damn good, exciting parties where we all have a great time, it's worth travelling to and spending money to attend and the music gets the explosive action on the dance floor that it deserves, not half full venues with a bunch of tired looking bored people.

Two nights on in the same town is plain stupidity. In fact, idiotic.

The nights with the best venue, best sound system and best music + DJs should be allowed to have the area, and that's not just on the same night, that's on the same weekend IMO, and perhaps for really big events they should be allowed the freedom of the area a week either side as well.

Is it going to happen? I doubt it. But it should.

No I dont think so...if a do designates its self as an upfront do' then a Do' opens up as a classic oldies Do' on the same night, same town , is this overkill ????

I would say not..in fact I think both Do's are at fault because they are pigeon holing them selves

Bazza

[Chalky]

No I dont think so...if a do designates its self as an upfront do' then a Do' opens up as a classic oldies Do' on the same night, same town , is this overkill ????

I would say not..in fact I think both Do's are at fault because they are pigeon holing them selves

Bazza

I said what JT said a couple of pages ago (was told that it was relevant) and still say now that the music policy of whatever night is irrelevant. It's crazy to put two venues on the same night when there are three and sometimes four other weekends in the month. Of course it's overkill, irrespective of the music policy and the tastes of the paying customer, the local soulies are forced to choose between one or the other rather than benefit from two local venues during the month.

Edited September 6, 2007 by chalky

[Dave]

well all i got to say that i as a promoter try to give people what they want i dont always get it right but who does over the past 7 month i think i have chose some of the best djs around some who have done it for free

This is one of the problems IMHO.

Good DJ's should be paid a good rate, and if they weren't so desperate to feed their ego's they wouldn't get behind the decks without that fair rate.

If you can't justify paying them accordingly, why put the event on?

[Guest James Trouble]

love the idea but surely most of that is personal taste? so who decides?

The "Soul Police", of course

[Guest Dr Pickles]

I don't think it does have to be seen as that. The trouble is the most vocal on the subject over the years don't go nowhere.

I have to say though when the white swan in mansfield was on (R. Marroitt & J. Wensiora Promotion).

there was a mixture of all genres and the only people to squark were oldies fans, but hey mr m's was peanut flavour i think. but even that died off like most venues to be followed by another later on.

But nighters are'nt the lifeblood, they were years ago but not so much now, and it certainly is not "a way of life" we said that when we were kids..but hey if people wanna conduct there day to day affairs with baggies on and smashed thats their choice i suppose.

Still can't see why the trousers you wear should make any difference.

Why alienate the customers you do have (or would consider going) by dictating to them what clothes to wear????

Doc

[Manfromsoul45s]

Still can't see why the trousers you wear should make any difference.

Why alienate the customers you do have (or would consider going) by dictating to them what clothes to wear????

Doc

oohh for gods sake mate...lighten up. if you took that literally maybe the scene is not really for you..

Bring back Pete lawson I say..

[Guest dundeedavie]

The "Soul Police", of course

t

Christ no , don't want them involved in my do , i'm much more critical than they will ever be

[Guest James Trouble]

No I dont think so...if a do designates its self as an upfront do' then a Do' opens up as a classic oldies Do' on the same night, same town , is this overkill ????

I would say not..in fact I think both Do's are at fault because they are pigeon holing them selves

Bazza

I disagree, totally.

But then again anyone who only wants to hear oldies is a bit of a buffoon IMO. How can someone be taken into account with regards this debate who wants to go out and only hear tunes that they know already?

Besides, those people are very few and far between. Who really only wants to hear tunes they know when they go out? Anyone here? I doubt it.

But that's not the point of this thread, it's not another newies/oldies debate and I think it would be wrong to go off in that direction again. It's about making sure we have great dance parties, and there are not too many great parties around at the moment, but there are plenty of half hearted shitters that don't do this music justice.

[Guest James Trouble]

Still can't see why the trousers you wear should make any difference.

Why alienate the customers you do have (or would consider going) by dictating to them what clothes to wear????

Doc

I totally agree Doc, but not too sure the poster was serious?

Edited September 6, 2007 by James Trouble

[Chalky]

oohh for gods sake mate...lighten up. if you took that literally maybe the scene is not really for you..

Bring back Pete lawson I say..

if Pete was still with us and on Soul Source I think his account would be suspended on a daily basis

[Bazza]

I disagree, totally.

But then again anyone who only wants to hear oldies is a bit of a buffoon IMO. How can someone be taken into account with regards this debate who wants to go out and only hear tunes that they know already?

Besides, those people are very few and far between. Who really only wants to hear tunes they know when they go out? Anyone here? I doubt it.

But that's not the point of this thread, it's not another newies/oldies debate and I think it would be wrong to go off in that direction again. It's about making sure we have great dance parties, and there are not too many great parties around at the moment, but there are plenty of half hearted shitters that don't do this music justice.

Blimey ..thats a bit strong...you putting a hell of a lot of folk down with that comment...I would'nt dare such a condescending thing

Bazza

Edited September 6, 2007 by bazza

[Guest James Trouble]

Blimey ..thats a bit strong...you putting a hell of a lot of folk down with that comment...I would'nt dare such a condesending thing

Bazza

These people don't exist though, do they?

Does anyone reading this thread only want to hear records that they already know? Anyone?

I can't accept that they exist. That's impossible, how did they get to know the tunes in the first place? Did they come to a point in their life when they all of a sudden thought "that's enough, I don't want to hear any new records again, it's oldies all the way for me from now on..."

Come on, the idea of it is hilarious

[Guest Baz]

I agree with James on this its not about upfront or oldies its about having a dam good electric dance party with boss tunes, many people putting 'accross the board' nights on that dont really offer much other than some of the popular tunes churned out over and over again.

if some of these were culled we'd be in a lot healthier state, and it just boils down to loads of people trying to buy there way into DJing or coming back on the scene with a few records and thinking hey i can do that hence yet another night pops up offering exactely the same as the one on the weekend befor it and its a vicious circle

[Manfromsoul45s]

I totally agree Doc, but not too sure the poster was serious?

THANK YOU.......

[Guest Soultown andy]

I dont think overkill is the problem there are loads of clubs who regularly attract big crowds,surely the problem is that the clubs who cant attract customers just are,nt gettin it right.We are in the worst part of the country for clashing venues there are probably 20 venues on in this area next sat night and we will still be full,take in to account that our regulars are from every part of the uk and that makes it worse but we will still be full.Surely people speak with there feet and the niter scene has changed dramaticaly in the last 3 years the fact is to attract good crowds you have to work hard some dont work that hard.I do belive that the explosion of small soul clubs all over the place has affected some niters but the only way to counter that is make your niter better.Trust you not to mince your words james but there is an example of a young guy offering a nite that has it all which is why it will be succesful .Running these venues is,nt just about saying the right things to the right people or being every bodys mate and as someone has already said the cream will always rise.

[mrs soul]

just a small point, been to a few as we all say up front , music, something a little different, and I have asked some people there, did you enjoy your self, reply being, well it was OK, but we did not know the music!!!!!!! and I can see they ain't gonna come back, why cant some punters just give a great venue, more than one visit, instead of then going back to the sane old, it baffles me! they seem afraid to give the rarer or underplayed stuff a go?