An All Time Low?

[SteveM]

the sherlock holmes cafe on baker street has a drama student dressed up as a copper from the old days on the door.

perhaps we could have a gaunt looking 17 year old in a vest covered in sweat and eyes like dinner plates stood on the door of this cafe?

why do we have to turn our scene into a tourist attraction? there are still 1000s people attending events at weekends. its not a thing of the past to a lot of us.

shane

Sarcastic I know, but funny as ****

[Winnie :-)]

the sherlock holmes cafe on baker street has a drama student dressed up as a copper from the old days on the door.

perhaps we could have a gaunt looking 17 year old in a vest covered in sweat and eyes like dinner plates stood on the door of this cafe?

why do we have to turn our scene into a tourist attraction? there are still 1000s people attending events at weekends. its not a thing of the past to a lot of us.

shane

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Shane, I know where you're coming from, but to be honest don't see that it will become a major problem. People go to the natural history museum, have a look round, are generally amazed, then go back to what they do normally. No fuss, no big deal and can't really see why it's considered tacky. If I happened to be in the Wigan area I'd probably have a look at it, but wouldn't consider going as a matter of urgency, as I suspect most people on the scene wouldn't.

As for signed photos, doesn't overly interest me, but I do recognise some people like to review their personal history in such a way, so again doesn't bother me. Personally don't think it'll affect the scene in any way shape of form, apart from a few people wondering what they missed in the 7Ts and then going home and putting the dinner on

Winnie:-)

[Guest Netspeaky]

The SCENE has always been about money, The Casino, Highland Ball Room they were there to make money, yes there's lot's of little venue's around that just pay there way, but don't tell me that a little bit of profit isn't the name of the game. All the record sellers out their you've all been making money out of the scene, yes you may spent your profit of new sounds but your aim was profit non the less. I guess we just don't like corporate Northern Soul, just like we don't embrace other successfully ideas and business in this country, it's a UK disease we have this adversity to anybody making a success (Money) out of things, it's like the idiot scratching the nice jag in the street, just because he drives a clapped out banger. What we should be doing is doing our best to convert the masses to our underground scene, but if it worked we wouldn't have an underground scene then, silly we can't have it both ways. BEST ADVICE IS IF IT'S NOT YOUR CUP OF TEA THEN IGNORE IT.

[Guest]

,nowt to be jealous of........i dance better than you,dont write plays about Wigan......and i`m much better looking,and i`m only slightly overweight

Oh,i forgot have all me own hair too!!

[Guest Bogue]

The SCENE has always been about money, The Casino, Highland Ball Room they were there to make money, yes there's lot's of little venue's around that just pay there way, but don't tell me that a little bit of profit isn't the name of the game. All the record sellers out their you've all been making money out of the scene, yes you may spent your profit of new sounds but your aim was profit non the less. I guess we just don't like corporate Northern Soul, just like we don't embrace other successfully ideas and business in this country, it's a UK disease we have this adversity to anybody making a success (Money) out of things, it's like the idiot scratching the nice jag in the street, just because he drives a clapped out banger. What we should be doing is doing our best to convert the masses to our underground scene, but if it worked we wouldn't have an underground scene then, silly we can't have it both ways. BEST ADVICE IS IF IT'S NOT YOUR CUP OF TEA THEN IGNORE IT.

The most sensible & logical answer yet

& come on let's not be fooled ! The real reason Shane is so low about all things Casino is that he didn't ever go ! Come on Shane own up !

Couple of other points :-

Re - the picture signing of Dean Parrish , no different to the hundreds who queue up at Prestatyn or Cleethorps for autographs of the acts is it ? Are they to be ridiculed too then ?

As i said, not my cup of tea to hero worship to that point, but if someone wants to, then good luck to them & i would feel glad that they enjoyed it.

Re- The Drifters, why is having them play at a weekender a joke ? Music wise i mean, not the line up, as i'm of the opinion of most that what is the point when none of them are the original ! Same with 'the Tops' & 'the Temps' etc

But musicaly it depends on what they are singing ! If it's 'Sitting in the Back Row' , 'Like Sister & Brother' etc, yes it's caberet. But if it's the early stuff then i would have thought they had as much right as any others ?

Edited August 21, 2007 by Bogue

[chrissie]

What I don't get, perhaps I am being a bit dim here but what's the problem????

I personally find the Casino Cafe thing Tacky, I would pay NOT to have a photo of RW but if it floats some peoples boat what's the problem, it doesn't have any effect on my life and the venues I attend or the music I listen to.

Most of the people who buy into this sort of thing will never be seen at the soul nights most of us attend and we won't have to rub shoulders with them, god forbid but if it makes them happy and brings back a few memories of their one off trip to wigan back in the 70s or nights at their local youth club then what's it got to do with any of us, just leave them be to get on with it.

The "scene" does not belong to "us" and each of us are only a small part of something far bigger than any DJ/Venue etc. We do not have a god given right to dictate what people do where they go and what music they listen to, we all have our own preferred venues, genre's etc and have no right to berate other peoples memories of what they misguidedly think the NS scene was or is now.

I personally don't like "disco" (modern) and have a joke with people I know that like it but I don't moan all the way through a DJs set if it is being played at venue I am at, and on more than one ocassion been spotted even dancing to it .

I am not a great fan of played out oldies, but I have friends who are and occassionally go out with them but what I don't do is spend all night moaning about there taste in music etc.

I wish some of you would stop playing the "Soul Police" moral high ground and just leave people to do their own thing and you all get on with yours

I don't think "Soul Nostalgia" has yet been classified as a contageuos disease so you can be sure if you accidently bump into one of these people it won't infect you or kill off today's scene, its far too big and ugly at times, for that to happen

QoFxx

PS....................Is there a full moon looming again, cos you men all seem to be getting very stroppy and hormonal

Edited August 21, 2007 by chrissie

[macca]

old dears & single mums as caf patrons?

the old country is definitely going to the dogs then.

mighty glad I don't live there anymore.

[chrissie]

old dears & single mums as caf patrons?

the old country is definitely going to the dogs then.

mighty glad I don't live there anymore.

I know, it's shocking that they even let these people out in public, even in Wigan

QoFxx

[Guest Bogue]

What I don't get, perhaps I am being a bit dim here but what's the problem????

I personally find the Casino Cafe thing Tacky, I would pay NOT to have a photo of RW but if it floats some peoples boat what's the problem, it doesn't have any effect on my life and the venues I attend or the music I listen to.

Most of the people who buy into this sort of thing will never be seen at the soul nights most of us attend and we won't have to rub shoulders with them, god forbid but if it makes them happy and brings back a few memories of their one off trip to wigan back in the 70s or nights at their local youth club then what's it got to do with any of us, just leave them be to get on with it.

The "scene" does not belong to "us" and each of us are only a small part of something far bigger than any DJ/Venue etc. We do not have a god given right to dictate what people do where they go and what music they listen to, we all have our own preferred venues, genre's etc and have no right to berate other peoples memories of what they misguidedly think the NS scene was or is now.

I personally don't like "disco" (modern) and have a joke with people I know that like it but I don't moan all the way through a DJs set if it is being played at venue I am at, and on more than one ocassion been spotted even dancing to it .

I am not a great fan of played out oldies, but I have friends who are and occassionally go out with them but what I don't do is spend all night moaning about there taste in music etc.

I wish some of you would stop playing the "Soul Police" moral high ground and just leave people to do their own thing and you all get on with yours

I don't think "Soul Nostalga" has yet been classified as a contageuos disease so you can be sure if you accidently bump into one of these people it won't infect you or kill off today's scene, its far too big and ugly at times, for that to happen

QoFxx

PS....................Is there a full moon looming again, cos you men all seem to be getting very stroppy and hormonal

Exactley Chrissie ! Live & let Live ! HHHOOOOOOWWWWWLLLL

[Citizen P]

try again.

Nostalgia??????

not what it was,

is it?

Tony

[Pete S]

Look, anyone who CHARGES for an autograph is a complete chancer and doesn't deserve to be given the time of day. If however thats part of the £30 or whatever package then it's not quite the same. But if people do have to queue up at Prestatyn to meet the heroes and then PAY for the autograph, then that seriously needs looking at, shame on whoever organises the payment and the artists themselves.

[Steve L]

You dont have to pay at Prestatyn Pete

[Guest Bogue]

Look, anyone who CHARGES for an autograph is a complete chancer and doesn't deserve to be given the time of day. If however thats part of the £30 or whatever package then it's not quite the same. But if people do have to queue up at Prestatyn to meet the heroes and then PAY for the autograph, then that seriously needs looking at, shame on whoever organises the payment and the artists themselves.

Don't think they do have to pay do they Pete Thought it was all part of the weekend & up to you if you want to spend time in a queue ?

Edited August 21, 2007 by Bogue

[Dave Moore]

Look, anyone who CHARGES for an autograph is a complete chancer and doesn't deserve to be given the time of day. If however thats part of the £30 or whatever package then it's not quite the same. But if people do have to queue up at Prestatyn to meet the heroes and then PAY for the autograph, then that seriously needs looking at, shame on whoever organises the payment and the artists themselves.

Think you'll find that there's a bit more to the autographs than you realise Pete. Artists usually produce vintage promos of themselves and are happy to sign these once the fans have purchased them. For example: I have had posters made of the Harthon Trio. The guys will be more than happy to sign them and they will cost $10. This way they are not out of pocket for coming down to the event.

Same happens at Prestatyn, There are posters of the event and the artists are happy to sign in their respected places. I don't think the artists charge for their actual autograph. I had all the artists sign sleeves etc at Prestatyn this year and never paid a penny for any of them. I'm pretty sure no one else did either although I'm sure Rob or one of the guys will corroborate that.

I have original sleeves signed by many artists and can't remember ever having to pay for them, but if said artist has a CD or a picture for sale I simply buy that out of respect. I'm not alone either. Almost all my mates do the same.

I suspect that DP will have promo shots and material out and will be signing them. Good luk to 'em I say. It 's all part of an artists income. Nothing wrong with it in my opoinion. I do agree that if a fan wanted an autograph and was told "sure-that'll be ten bucks" it would be a disgrace, but I've never heard of that happening.

[Reg]

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Shane, I know where you're coming from, but to be honest don't see that it will become a major problem. People go to the natural history museum, have a look round, are generally amazed, then go back to what they do normally. No fuss, no big deal and can't really see why it's considered tacky. If I happened to be in the Wigan area I'd probably have a look at it, but wouldn't consider going as a matter of urgency, as I suspect most people on the scene wouldn't.

As for signed photos, doesn't overly interest me, but I do recognise some people like to review their personal history in such a way, so again doesn't bother me. Personally don't think it'll affect the scene in any way shape of form, apart from a few people wondering what they missed in the 7Ts and then going home and putting the dinner on

Winnie:-)

Re the cafe...I don't think it's trying to exploit the scene...it's just a cafe in Wigan that has a theme! Nobody gives a rat's ass really...My mum lives in Wigan and I'm sure I'd pop in if parched!!

Shane I will have to have a word on Sunday as, if you had ever visited Wigan town centre you would realise that nobody gives a poo about the Casino any more unless they REALLY went Everybody you talk to in the Wigan area went to the Casino(including my brother who was a punk later on) an the cafe will just be another cafe! Lets just hope the pies are up to scratch

[Pete S]

You dont have to pay at Prestatyn Pete

Someone else above said you do, was just commenting on that comment, if it's incorrect then fine, apologies

[Guest]

I'm simply trying to put into perspective that the music is King rather than the venues, for me you could play them in a field and they would still hold that magic.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Soooooo right!! IMO Its about the MUSIC ! And I am NEVER "at an all time low" when I hear great tunes!

[Guest Bogue]

Someone else above said you do, was just commenting on that comment, if it's incorrect then fine, apologies

Not sure if you mean my comment Pete ? but i never said anything about having to pay, was just saying what is the difference of someone standing in a queue waiting for Dean Parrish's autograph than any other artist.

Though i guess you could see it as charging in the Dean Parrish case as you have to pay extra for the ticket, though it appears you get more than just a signed photo, is that what you meant ?

[Peter99]

Not sure if you mean my comment Pete ? but i never said anything about having to pay, was just saying what is the difference of someone standing in a queue waiting for Dean Parrish's autograph than any other artist.

Though i guess you could see it as charging in the Dean Parrish case as you have to pay extra for the ticket, though it appears you get more than just a signed photo, is that what you meant ?

Yeah - pizza!

[spikey]

The SCENE has always been about money, The Casino, Highland Ball Room they were there to make money, yes there's lot's of little venue's around that just pay there way, but don't tell me that a little bit of profit isn't the name of the game. All the record sellers out their you've all been making money out of the scene, yes you may spent your profit of new sounds but your aim was profit non the less. I guess we just don't like corporate Northern Soul, just like we don't embrace other successfully ideas and business in this country, it's a UK disease we have this adversity to anybody making a success (Money) out of things, it's like the idiot scratching the nice jag in the street, just because he drives a clapped out banger. What we should be doing is doing our best to convert the masses to our underground scene, but if it worked we wouldn't have an underground scene then, silly we can't have it both ways. BEST ADVICE IS IF IT'S NOT YOUR CUP OF TEA THEN IGNORE IT.

[Guest ShaneH]

thanks for all the replies on this. i was hoping someone would have disagreed with me in the true sense rather than say i am idiot for being bothered by it all.

having read all the posts, i have yet seen one post by anyone who will be travelling to the casino cafe, one post from someone who can't wait to see the drifters, not one single mention of anyone who will happily pay 30 quid for a slice of pizza and a picture of russ winstanley and finally no one has said "shane you are wrong, i love that ian levine cd.

please be ensured all you people who mis-read my first post - i have no problem with the past, no problem with oldies and if people wanna see cabaret acts fair enough. i am just a bit disappointed by things happening in the name of northern soul. i thought we were better than this.

shane

[Chris L]

Why is there so many uncool things happening at the moment?

1. Casino Cafe

2. The Drifters

3. Signed photos of John Vincent & Russ Winstanley

4. The Ian Levine CD

I always thought this scene was underground, cool, mysterious, exciting and better than anything else. I think the above examples prove otherwise.

Sad times ahead methinks

Shane

If it's so beastly leave the NS scene then, sure we'll survive without you.............

[Guest ShaneH]

If it's so beastly leave the NS scene then, sure we'll survive without you.............

fcuk off

[Pete S]

fcuk off

[Dave]

fcuk off

[Billywhizz]

I never went to see it,allthough i had planned to see it..........but from what i can make out...it attracted loads of wannabe Wigeners,part timers...........the play itself might be the bees-knees i dont know.And my education as fukc all to do with you or this thread...........if you wanna`talk Brechtin etc;leave it for all your acting lovies.

Ken it was well worth seeing.I made a weekender of it

[Guest]

Ken it was well worth seeing.I made a weekender of it

I said to me so called mates lets go,and they did without me.........

[SteveM]

fcuk off

I told you never to express opinions didn't I ? You're not old enough

Edited August 21, 2007 by SteveM

[Guest hammy]

If it's so beastly leave the NS scene then, sure we'll survive without you.............

True.

The cafe also gives people like your good self who never made it to the Casino

the first time round, the chance to have a sugary bun on the original site.

Meeting Russ. Well that's the soul equivalent of meeting the Dalai Lama IMHO.

Hammy

[Sharon Cooper]

The most sensible & logical answer yet

& come on let's not be fooled ! The real reason Shane is so low about all things Casino is that he didn't ever go ! Come on Shane own up !

Couple of other points :-

Re - the picture signing of Dean Parrish , no different to the hundreds who queue up at Prestatyn or Cleethorps for autographs of the acts is it ? Are they to be ridiculed too then ?

As i said, not my cup of tea to hero worship to that point, but if someone wants to, then good luck to them & i would feel glad that they enjoyed it.

Re- The Drifters, why is having them play at a weekender a joke ? Music wise i mean, not the line up, as i'm of the opinion of most that what is the point when none of them are the original ! Same with 'the Tops' & 'the Temps' etc

But musicaly it depends on what they are singing ! If it's 'Sitting in the Back Row' , 'Like Sister & Brother' etc, yes it's caberet. But if it's the early stuff then i would have thought they had as much right as any others ?

I have always wondered about these acts that get dragged out for weekenders and the like. How do we know its the real people at all (Those that are still alive that is) and not just some tribute act? I wouldn't know what Dean Parrish, the Drifters, the 4 tops and all the others that have been on round and about look like now...Could just be some big con as far as I`m concerned, but then I`ve never liked live `northern` acts (or dead ones come to think about it!)

[Guest Baz]

Dont forget the apperence of X factors Steve Brokenbolox at one weekender

What bugs me is when ever NS is brought to a wider audience its prevailed in the lowest cheesy way

[spikey]

fcuk off

get over it you'll be telling us next you had a lock out at soul encounters,or was the glass half full or half empty.

[Guest ShaneH]

get over it you'll be telling us next you had a lock out at soul encounters,or was the glass half full or half empty.

get over what?

you wanna try and get over that wobbly pill problelm before you start typing stuff

[Paulb]

The Casino Cafe isn't the best idea in my book. I work in Wigan and the blokes in the office came up to me to inform me that there was a Casino Cafe in the shopping centre. Then they paused and looked at me waiting for a reply as though I was going to get up and leg it down there for a butty.

I too find it a bit uncool that something I love is associated with a cafe.

I agree with Shane on that point.

And one more rant about the newies v oldies scene.

When I first came on this scene 5 years ago I just couldn't believe how cool it was. My first early nighters were at Sheridans and Goldbourne. Dark dingy places playing this amazing music. It just didn't get any better and that was MY scene. I later discovered that there was an adjacent scene that was at slightly better venue's and I knew most of the songs and the blokes wore these funny baggy pants. Now I prefered the other dark and dingy places where I didn't know the tunes but I would go and attend these other nights and enjoy them for what they were. After a while I got really sick of these mainstram nights and I realised they weren't as cool as the rare nighters so I stopped going to them.

But I would never slag these nights because the people who went to them were enjoying themselves.

My point is why do people on this sight think that they have the right to tell others what they're doing is sad or un cool. If you dont like it then don't go to them and stick to nights you like. If people want to 'celebrate' Wigan Casino at the bank holiday sunday night then let them. They are going cos thats what they like. Is there anything wrong with that. These people are never going to cross over onto the rare soul scene so just get used to that fact.

[Baz Atkinson]

GOOD HEALTHY THREAD THIS MY VIEW IS THAT THERE IS 3 SCENES GOING ON AT THE MOMMENT,

-THE UPFRONT NIGHTER SCENE WHICH HAS BASICALLY HAD MANY OF ITS ATTENTENTEES VISTING DOS SINCE THE EARLY EIGHTIES AND GIVING THE REAL COMMITTMENT TO THE SCENE.TO ME THIS CROWD VIEW THE SCENE MORE AS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE AND SHOW PASSION AND COMMITTMENT TO COLLECTING AND MOVING THE SCENE ON.

-THE RETRO CROWD AND COMEBACKS WHO PREFER THE OLDIES AND VERY POSSIBLY THE RENEWING OF OLD FRIENDSHIPS ETC.NOT MANY OF THIS CROWD CROSSOVER TO THE FIRST SCENE IF SO THEN ALL THE BETTER.THESE PEOPLE WERE FUNNY TROUSERS AND ARE LAUGHED AT BY NORMAL PEOPLE AND BUS DRIVERS,THEY SPIN TO DO I LOVE YOU AND EAT RETRO WIGAN PIES,THEY MISTAKE PRO PLUS FOR BACK STREET BLUIES AND TEND TO DRINK VAST AMOUNTS OF LAGER.

-SCENE 3 IS THE VAST AMOUNT OF AVERAGE SOUL NIGHTS UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY THAT LAST TILL 12 AT NIGHT AND PLAY RUBY ANDREWS JUST LOVING YOU 11 TIMES.THIS SCENE COMPLEMENTS THE RETRO SCENE.

AS FOR WIGAN CAFINO,I HAVE NOT BEEN BACK TO WIGAN SINCE 1981 ,HAVE NO ITENTION TO DO SO ,IT WAS NOT A SHRINE FOR ME IT HELPED ME SCREW UP SCHOOL,LOSE WEIGHT AND GET INTO A BUCKET LOAD OF TROUBLE.HOWEVER I HAVE GOOD MEMORIES ALSO MAINLY AROUND THE QUALITY THAT ACTED AS A PRECURSER FOR THE RECORDS I PURSUED AFTER THAT.

AS FOR PAUL SADOT AND HIS PLAY HE IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY ,WITH GREAT ENTHUSIASM,THAT DOCUMENTED A WHOLSOME NON ROMANTIC VIEW OF A PERIOD IN HISTORY IMPORTANT TO A FEW OF US,HE SHOULD BE RESPECTED FOR HAVING THE BALLS TO DO SO.

BAZ A

[Guest ShaneH]

The Casino Cafe isn't the best idea in my book. I work in Wigan and the blokes in the office came up to me to inform me that there was a Casino Cafe in the shopping centre. Then they paused and looked at me waiting for a reply as though I was going to get up and leg it down there for a butty.

I too find it a bit uncool that something I love is associated with a cafe.

I agree with Shane on that point.

And one more rant about the newies v oldies scene.

When I first came on this scene 5 years ago I just couldn't believe how cool it was. My first early nighters were at Sheridans and Goldbourne. Dark dingy places playing this amazing music. It just didn't get any better and that was MY scene. I later discovered that there was an adjacent scene that was at slightly better venue's and I knew most of the songs and the blokes wore these funny baggy pants. Now I prefered the other dark and dingy places where I didn't know the tunes but I would go and attend these other nights and enjoy them for what they were. After a while I got really sick of these mainstram nights and I realised they weren't as cool as the rare nighters so I stopped going to them.

But I would never slag these nights because the people who went to them were enjoying themselves.

My point is why do people on this sight think that they have the right to tell others what they're doing is sad or un cool. If you dont like it then don't go to them and stick to nights you like. If people want to 'celebrate' Wigan Casino at the bank holiday sunday night then let them. They are going cos thats what they like. Is there anything wrong with that. These people are never going to cross over onto the rare soul scene so just get used to that fact.

cheers paul.

however, please dont bring the oldies/newies thing into it. its not about this. its about caberet acts/salad bars/autographs/cheap versions of soul songs.

go back to my original post and read it again please mate

hope all is well chief

shane

[Chris L]

fcuk off

Oh dear...........when you can't think of something sensible, there's always that

old chesnut, "f off", isn't there.?.................get a life mate, Northern Soul survived

a hell of a lot more than you whinge about and came back stronger than ever........

Onward and upwards .................

[Steve G]

Re - the picture signing of Dean Parrish , no different to the hundreds who queue up at Prestatyn or Cleethorps for autographs of the acts is it ? Are they to be ridiculed too then ?

Do you get your picture taken with 70s iconic DJ's as well as the acts at Prestatyn?

[Paulb]

Dont forget the apperence of X factors Steve Brokenbolox at one weekender

What bugs me is when ever NS is brought to a wider audience its prevailed in the lowest cheesy way

Don't get me started Baz.

I listen to Terry Christian on BBC Radio Mcr on the way home from work. He's been banging on about this Soul Nation thats been on and Trevor Nelson's performance when he came up to Wigan. TC was going mad about how he didn't look a bit interested and how soul music was mis-represented and a real injustice was carried out on the BBC's part.

Anyway, so this week he's plugging the bank holiday night in wigan and talking briefly about NS for 5 -10 mins each day followed by a song. He couldn't make his mind up what to play today. It was between Landslide, Rescue me (????!!!) or ghost in my house.

When I heard this I pulled the car over and text him saying that he should really research it better and play something thats current for todays scene such as Johnny Howard or Sam Dee's, as the tunes he's picked are either not played anywhere or overplayed.

Next news he's laughing and calling me an expert after reading my text out. I text back saying that northern soul never gets on the mainstram and when it does its the same five songs that get played. I also pointed out that I felt he had done an injustice to NS just like Soul Nation did. Of course he didn't read that one out.

Why can't someone see past the usual offenders and put something on that will excite an audience. Or am I just banging my head against a brick wall?????

[macca]

I never saw the play but would have gone, given the chance. You don't have to be a luvvie to enjoy good theatre.

The signed photo of DP, with the added 'confetti' of our mustachioed heroes, plus VIP suite, pizza & champers, I think, is a bit on the tawdry side. but as with all things, whatever gets you through the night.

NS 2007? I don't really care for this sort of material & the only new releases I buy are Bob Dylan's.

I'm a strange animal I guess.

[Guest Netspeaky]

I have always wondered about these acts that get dragged out for weekenders and the like. How do we know its the real people at all (Those that are still alive that is) and not just some tribute act? I wouldn't know what Dean Parrish, the Drifters, the 4 tops and all the others that have been on round and about look like now...Could just be some big con as far as I`m concerned, but then I`ve never liked live `northern` acts (or dead ones come to think about it!)

We were conned back in the 60's & 70's with regards a lot of bands/artists, didn't the Topics come over here as the Temptations? And The Drifters well that's another story with the number of bands going round back in the 60's and 70's, you could never be quite sure if it was the Orginal Difters even back then.

[Paulb]

cheers paul.

however, please dont bring the oldies/newies thing into it. its not about this. its about caberet acts/salad bars/autographs/cheap versions of soul songs.

go back to my original post and read it again please mate

hope all is well chief

shane

Sorry Shane. I got a bit carried away. I'll go in the garden and give myself 10 lashings across the midriff.

[soulfulsaint]

Why is a play bad...is the Brechtian concept of agitprop you disagree with or do YOU wish I had made it more Stanislavkian in its method? I mean , what is your great critical claim based on. Perhaps, you would like to compare it to some of the may other productions you have seen?

Now we are talking my language.. Brechtian agitprop when the singer steps out of his naturalised role to communicate a message directly to the audience - Gil Scott-Heron's 'The Bottle.' Or the Stanislavskian-system, where the singer creates a believable emotional character inside a naturalised world by drawing on a fund of emotions from previous experience eg. Sam Dees 'Fragile Handle With Care.' Love them both. Not so sure about James Coit's 'Black Power - leans towards Brecht but it's crap.

Any other obscure theatre references please call.

Agree with Shane - Casino Cafe is not for me - nostalgic melodrama - but if I was in Wigan I'd go out of hypocritical curioisty.

Edited August 21, 2007 by soulfulsaint

[spikey]

Oh dear...........when you can't think of something sensible, there's always that

old chesnut, "f off", isn't there.?.................get a life mate, Northern Soul survived

a hell of a lot more than you whinge about and came back stronger than ever........

Onward and upwards .................

well said could not have put it better.

[Guest ShaneH]

Oh dear...........when you can't think of something sensible, there's always that

old chesnut, "f off", isn't there.?.................get a life mate, Northern Soul survived

a hell of a lot more than you whinge about and came back stronger than ever........

Onward and upwards .................

brilliant. he tells me to fcuk off so i reply with the same and all of a sudden 'i have nothing sensible to say'

good comedy writes itself as they say

cheers for saving me the job of making you look daft

[Paulb]

cheers paul.

however, please dont bring the oldies/newies thing into it. its not about this. its about caberet acts/salad bars/autographs/cheap versions of soul songs.

go back to my original post and read it again please mate

hope all is well chief

shane

What about the other off topic debate about a play? Surely not relevant for this thread either?

[Guest ShaneH]

well said could not have put it better.

i agree. you would never have got close to writing that many words

[Guest ShaneH]

What about the other off topic debate about a play? Surely not relevant for this thread either?

of course it was relevant. the play was a good example of portraying wigan rather than a coffee bar

are we seeing you sunday btw?

[Guest Baz]

So you going to let us know who you are Spikey or just sit there dishing out insults behind a name?

[Guest Neil-ok]

An All Time Low?

Of course not,Soulies moaning about gigs/venues,what's the best for everyone,who's the biggest and better soulie,i prefer rare etc etc etc.

Its just like the 70s 80s again .

And what will we all do about it? we will all do what we want to,go to where we want to,enjoy what we want to and not care one bit what anyone thinks.

Welcome to the Strange World of Northern Soul Indeed.