An All Time Low?

[Guest ShaneH]

Why is there so many uncool things happening at the moment?

1. Casino Cafe - What an horrible idea. It makes my stomach twist.

2. The Drifters - We are now having a major weekender booking cabaret acts. If I am right, there isn't one original member alive?

3. Signed photos of John Vincent & Russ Winstanley - Here is offending item in full...'Tickets for ths one are £10 or the VIP ticket which includes Champagne, pizzas, pastas and salad bar in the VIP lounge, then we are having autographed photos with Dean , Russ and John, these tickets are £30'

4. The Ian Levine CD - Everything about this is so wrong. The songs, the production, the markerting and above all it is being pushed by someone who isn't part of the current scene.

I always thought this scene was underground, cool, mysterious, exciting and better than anything else. I think the above examples prove otherwise.

Sad times ahead methinks

Shane

Edited August 20, 2007 by ShaneH

[Simsy]

2. The Drifters - We are now having a major weekender booking cabaret acts. If I am right, there isn't one original member alive?

Must agree. Four Tops played Bishop's Stortford the other week. No original members. What's the point?

[Guest in town Mikey]

Why is there so many uncool things happening at the moment?

1. Casino Cafe - What an horrible idea. It makes my stomach twist.

2. The Drifters - We are now having a major weekender booking cabaret acts. If I am right, there isn't one original member alive?

3. Signed photos of John Vincent & Russ Winstanley - Here is offending item in full...'Tickets for ths one are £10 or the VIP ticket which includes Champagne, pizzas, pastas and salad bar in the VIP lounge, then we are having autographed photos with Dean , Russ and John, these tickets are £30'

I always thought this scene was underground, cool, mysterious, exciting and better than anything else. I think the above examples prove otherwise.

Sad times ahead methinks

Shane

My headache just got a whole lot worse.

[pikeys dog]

Only if you buy in to any of the above.

I'd rather gnaw my own hand off than attend any of the high-lighted events.

[TOAD]

PLUS NORTHERN SOUL BEER WHICH IVE RECENTLY COMMENTED ON SUPPOSE THE NEXT THING IS THE BEER TOWELS!!

[Sheep]

Why is there so many uncool things happening at the moment?

1. Casino Cafe - What an horrible idea. It makes my stomach twist.

2. The Drifters - We are now having a major weekender booking cabaret acts. If I am right, there isn't one original member alive?

3. Signed photos of John Vincent & Russ Winstanley - Here is offending item in full...'Tickets for ths one are £10 or the VIP ticket which includes Champagne, pizzas, pastas and salad bar in the VIP lounge, then we are having autographed photos with Dean , Russ and John, these tickets are £30'

I always thought this scene was underground, cool, mysterious, exciting and better than anything else. I think the above examples prove otherwise.

Sad times ahead methinks

Shane

Yes, heard about this, apparently there are superplus VIP tickets where you get to have passionate sex all weekend with with John and Russ, the price is 23 pence.

SHEEP

[Guest NASHEE]

Yes, heard about this, apparently there are superplus VIP tickets where you get to have passionate sex all weekend with with John and Russ, the price is 23 pence.

SHEEP

DO YOU HAVE TO DO IT....'OUT ON THE FLOOR'

[Hold Tight]

Must agree. Four Tops played Bishop's Stortford the other week. No original members. What's the point?

Couldn't agree more, especially when there are original artists out there who would love to come over and perform.

[Sheep]

Yes, heard about this, apparently there are superplus VIP tickets where you get to have passionate sex all weekend with with John and Russ, the price is 23 pence.

SHEEP

DO YOU HAVE TO DO IT....'OUT ON THE FLOOR'

Out on the floor, against the wall, on the edge of the towel rail , plus anywhere J+R fancy, remember it is a SUPERPLUS VIP ticket.

[Sheep]

[Guest rachel]

Out on the floor, against the wall, on the edge of the towel rail , plus anywhere J+R fancy, remember it is a SUPERPLUS VIP ticket.

Can we keep this relatively sensible please?

[Guest JSF]

No original members. What's the point?

A bit like my Grandad's old hammer that I have? It's about 60 years old and it's only had three new heads & four new handles .

Edit for typo

Edited August 20, 2007 by JohnWS

[Sheep]

Can we keep this relatively sensible please?

There goes my attempt to cheer everybodies Monday morning up, which is wet and grey where i am by the way.

[Pete S]

Although a RW or JV autograph is not top of my agenda by any means, I would actually pay money to meet Dean Parrish as would a lot of others by the sound of it. Not that I'm going to like, but I would in principal.

[Guest ShaneH]

Although a RW or JV autograph is not top of my agenda by any means, I would actually pay money to meet Dean Parrish as would a lot of others by the sound of it. Not that I'm going to like, but I would in principal.

isn't that a bit weird though?

Paying money to meet people who sang a few songs you liked. It's a bit Jim'll fix it.

Shane

[Sheep]

Although a RW or JV autograph is not top of my agenda by any means, I would actually pay money to meet Dean Parrish as would a lot of others by the sound of it. Not that I'm going to like, but I would in principal.

How much are we talking about.?

[Guest Baz]

John and Russ who????????

Sad sad times what with the current joke CD this is northern soul 2007

Just shows what kind of pants this scene can produce.

[Pete S]

How much are we talking about.?

When I say meet I mean "see him perform". So £5?

[Guest ShaneH]

John and Russ who????????

Sad sad times what with the current joke CD this is northern soul 2007

Just shows what kind of pants this scene can produce.

baz, please don't add to my list. it's making a depressing read all ready. i am now going to add this other awful moment in northern soul to the list. i hope there aren't many more

shane

[Sheep]

John and Russ who????????

Sad sad times what with the current joke CD this is northern soul 2007

Just shows what kind of pants this scene can produce.

If you can't remember there names whats the point.

[Sheep]

How much are we talking about.?

When I say meet I mean "see him perform". So £5?

Suppose you will want the champagne, pizza and taxi home included in this amount.

[Guest Baz]

If you can't remember there names whats the point.

The point is when you start selling autographed photos of people like that its a sad day, i have a signed photo of Tim the glass collector at my local, you'll have to excuse the fact he's licking the carpet but the poor fella is a bit strange, its yours for £50.

Russ W***stanley who the **** is he on todays scene a nobody trying to live of passed glory

[Guest NorthernDancer]

i think shane has a good point whats going on with the scene we all love brummie carl.

[chrissie]

Why is there so many uncool things happening at the moment?

1. Casino Cafe - What an horrible idea. It makes my stomach twist.

2. The Drifters - We are now having a major weekender booking cabaret acts. If I am right, there isn't one original member alive?

3. Signed photos of John Vincent & Russ Winstanley - Here is offending item in full...'Tickets for ths one are £10 or the VIP ticket which includes Champagne, pizzas, pastas and salad bar in the VIP lounge, then we are having autographed photos with Dean , Russ and John, these tickets are £30'

4. The Ian Levine CD - Everything about this is so wrong. The songs, the production, the markerting and above all it is being pushed by someone who isn't part of the current scene.

I always thought this scene was underground, cool, mysterious, exciting and better than anything else. I think the above examples prove otherwise.

Sad times ahead methinks

Shane

Totally tacky but I find the best thing with poo like this is just to ignore it and hope it will go away

PLUS NORTHERN SOUL BEER WHICH IVE RECENTLY COMMENTED ON SUPPOSE THE NEXT THING IS THE BEER TOWELS!!

HAve to disagree with you on this, don't think this even comes close to the tack mentioned in Shane's post and should not be compared to it. Northern Brewing Ltd brew some great beers and the guy that owns the brewery is a genuine soulie with a love of good beer and Northern Soul, what more could you ask for.

https://www.norbrew.co.uk/beers.html

QoFxx

[Sheep]

The point is when you start selling autographed photos of people like that its a sad day, i have a signed photo of Tim the glass collector at my local, you'll have to excuse the fact he's licking the carpet but the poor fella is a bit strange, its yours for £50.

Russ W***stanley who the **** is he on todays scene a nobody trying to live of passed glory

£50 you say, does that include P+P.

But I did get your point, was only exercising my worped sense of humour in an effect to cheer myself up on this wet grey day.

But while we are there, having attended the first hight at wigan and many subsequent nights after, Mr Winstanly was a highly influencial figure during that time and as for living off passed glory, don't all DJs do and don't we all, it is a retrospective scene after all, its hay day was some 25 years + back.

[good angel]

What about a Northern Soul X Factor, plus a celeb dance competition.to be filmed at a weekender, If they can make money out of it they will do it.It could happen

Kev

[Peter99]

There's always been "pants" stuff happening on the Northern Soul scene - whether it be the "last, last, last, last, last................ever nighter at Wigan, or some of the absolute shocking records that have been played and hyped up. It's always gonna happen.

I don't see anything wrong with wanting to see the likes of Dean Parrish perform - I saw him at Cleethorpes a few years back and felt it was quite a privelege.

As for having your picture taken with two RW etc - well yes, it's a bit of a joke.

I would not object to a rather large pizza after a night of beer and dancing - saves you having to find a takeway on the way home!

[pikeys dog]

Time fo a thread revival...

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...hl=handkerchief

[Cunnie]

What about a Northern Soul X Factor, plus a celeb dance competition.to be filmed at a weekender, If they can make money out of it they will do it.It could happen

Kev

Reckon Steve Brookstien would walk it.

Oops, already has done.

[good angel]

Reckon Steve Brookstien would walk it.

Oops, already has done.

Cunnie,

I had forgot about that,Mr,Levine mate.

Kev

[paultp]

If they can make money out of it they will do it.

This is what the problem is, people with only one aim regarding the scene: to make money.

Nobody wants to lose money promoting events and putting artists on etc but most people's main motivation is to have a successful event and a bit of fun or whatever, if they make money too it is the cream on the top.

The things Shane mentions are all purely money making schemes of one sort or another and sadly they probably all will make money as there seems to be a lot of gullible people about.

The view from my armchair of the scene is one of bickering and squabbling with nostalgia and profit being to the fore. I hope this isn't a correct view and maybe I'll feel better tomorrow.

I'm packing my records up at the moment as I'm moving in about a week, I probably won't be seeing them for a month or so for various reasons. I hope that in a couple of months time I have the enthusiasm and energy to get out and about again but at the back of my mind I have the feeling that I've been out of it too long, my records will stay packed for some time and will only surface to go on eBay as other things take my interest.

Got to agree with Shane - "All time Low"

[Bazza]

The point is when you start selling autographed photos of people like that its a sad day, i have a signed photo of Tim the glass collector at my local, you'll have to excuse the fact he's licking the carpet but the poor fella is a bit strange, its yours for £50.

Russ W***stanley who the **** is he on todays scene a nobody trying to live of passed glory

He does actually pop up on SS from time to time...not using his correct name tho

Bazza

[Guest Trevski]

A bit like my Grandad's old hammer that I have? It's about 60 years old and it's only had three new heads & four new handles .

Edit for typo

Like the museum in the States that has the 'original' axe that George washington used to chop down the cherry tree. Had the head and shaft replaced many times, so how can it be original!

Edited August 20, 2007 by Trevski

[BrianB]

Why is there so many uncool things happening at the moment?

1. Casino Cafe - What an horrible idea. It makes my stomach twist.

2. The Drifters - We are now having a major weekender booking cabaret acts. If I am right, there isn't one original member alive?

3. Signed photos of John Vincent & Russ Winstanley - Here is offending item in full...'Tickets for ths one are £10 or the VIP ticket which includes Champagne, pizzas, pastas and salad bar in the VIP lounge, then we are having autographed photos with Dean , Russ and John, these tickets are £30'

4. The Ian Levine CD - Everything about this is so wrong. The songs, the production, the markerting and above all it is being pushed by someone who isn't part of the current scene.

I always thought this scene was underground, cool, mysterious, exciting and better than anything else. I think the above examples prove otherwise.

Sad times ahead methinks

Shane

As Dale Carnegie famously wrote, "Don't worry about things you can't influence or change"

None of us would be interested in 2, 3 and 4. As for the cafe, why does it make your stomach twist?

If people want to go, they will go. I went to the Motown Cafe in New York. It was fantastic. The Hard Rock Cafe doesn't worry or bother me one bit, why should a Casino Cafe worry you.

I am getting so P....ed off with attitudes on here. People trying to show how cool they are by decrying anything that is not related to "upfront" new 60ts. Everything else is sneered at.

Do you all want people to forget, in my case 37 years on the scene, to live a life of inferior newies, give or take 5 - 10 excellent records a year?

I love 60ts newies, I am always trying to hear new sounds, but please don't slag off my obsession, my passion, a big part of my life, because it doesn't fit with your viewpoint of the scene.

If the scene as it is, with all its good and bad points, fails to be mysterious or exciting enough, why stay on it, because I'll give you one stone fact. You won't change it.

Be big enough to ignore things you don't like, don't waste time dwelling on them. Concentrate on what flicks your switches. I don't need someone to tell me whether going to the Casino Cafe is cool or not.

I will probably never go to it, but as once said, I will fight to the end to defend other people's right to.

ATB

Brian B

[Winnie :-)]

As Dale Carnegie famously wrote, "Don't worry about things you can't influence or change"

None of us would be interested in 2, 3 and 4. As for the cafe, why does it make your stomach twist?

If people want to go, they will go. I went to the Motown Cafe in New York. It was fantastic. The Hard Rock Cafe doesn't worry or bother me one bit, why should a Casino Cafe worry you.

I am getting so P....ed off with attitudes on here. People trying to show how cool they are by decrying anything that is not related to "upfront" new 60ts. Everything else is sneered at.

Do you all want people to forget, in my case 37 years on the scene, to live a life of inferior newies, give or take 5 - 10 excellent records a year?

I love 60ts newies, I am always trying to hear new sounds, but please don't slag off my obsession, my passion, a big part of my life, because it doesn't fit with your viewpoint of the scene.

If the scene as it is, with all its good and bad points, fails to be mysterious or exciting enough, why stay on it, because I'll give you one stone fact. You won't change it.

Be big enough to ignore things you don't like, don't waste time dwelling on them. Concentrate on what flicks your switches. I don't need someone to tell me whether going to the Casino Cafe is cool or not.

I will probably never go to it, but as once said, I will fight to the end to defend other people's right to.

ATB

Brian B

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Good post Bri, but will fall on the proverbial deaf ears...... which might explain why so many of the 'upfront' boys actually think some of these new/reactivated sounds are good

Winnie:-)

[Paul-s]

Why is there so many uncool things happening at the moment?

1. Casino Cafe - What an horrible idea. It makes my stomach twist.

3. Signed photos of John Vincent & Russ Winstanley - Here is offending item in full...'Tickets for ths one are £10 or the VIP ticket which includes Champagne, pizzas, pastas and salad bar in the VIP lounge, then we are having autographed photos with Dean , Russ and John, these tickets are £30'

4. The Ian Levine CD - Everything about this is so wrong. The songs, the production, the markerting and above all it is being pushed by someone who isn't part of the current scene.

I always thought this scene was underground, cool, mysterious, exciting and better than anything else. I think the above examples prove otherwise.

Sad times ahead methinks

Shane

JESUS...are you joking Shane...Russ signing photos and people paying. At least he's in it for the music and soul That guy has tried to squeeze a living out of the dead embers (not the group) of a building for over a quarter of a century!! I never see him out and about on the 'soul' scene? Sick stuff indeed!

Edited August 20, 2007 by paul-s

[Paul-s]

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Good post Bri, but will fall on the proverbial deaf ears...... which might explain why so many of the 'upfront' boys actually think some of these new/reactivated sounds are good

Winnie:-)

....nice that some people want to be a parody of their former self! Guess there's a LOT of commercial enterprise to protect and milk.....MOOOOOOOOVE on!

[Maark]

This is what the problem is, people with only one aim regarding the scene: to make money.

Nobody wants to lose money promoting events and putting artists on etc but most people's main motivation is to have a successful event and a bit of fun or whatever, if they make money too it is the cream on the top.

The things Shane mentions are all purely money making schemes of one sort or another and sadly they probably all will make money as there seems to be a lot of gullible people about.

The view from my armchair of the scene is one of bickering and squabbling with nostalgia and profit being to the fore. I hope this isn't a correct view and maybe I'll feel better tomorrow.

I'm packing my records up at the moment as I'm moving in about a week, I probably won't be seeing them for a month or so for various reasons. I hope that in a couple of months time I have the enthusiasm and energy to get out and about again but at the back of my mind I have the feeling that I've been out of it too long, my records will stay packed for some time and will only surface to go on eBay as other things take my interest.

Got to agree with Shane - "All time Low"

Isn't buying and selling records about making money? I mean, I've spoken to many a record collector who tell you with glee how much the £10 find is now worth £100,s. I'm sure everyone will feel much better should the sun ever re-appear!

[SteveM]

As Dale Carnegie famously wrote, "Don't worry about things you can't influence or change"

I am getting so P....ed off with attitudes on here.

Be big enough to ignore things you don't like, don't waste time dwelling on them.

Brian B

Errrrrrrr. Irony anyone ?

[Paul-s]

As Dale Carnegie famously wrote, "Don't worry about things you can't influence or change"

If the scene as it is, with all its good and bad points, fails to be mysterious or exciting enough, why stay on it, because I'll give you one stone fact. You won't change it.

DUH! Because we CARE. At least your not dogmatic!

[Steve G]

He does actually pop up on SS from time to time...not using his correct name tho

Bazza

I thought he came on here for about two days then left again. Think that was when he was doing his "Northern soul museum" or "Degree in Northern Soul history" course or something last year.

[Guest ShaneH]

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Good post Bri, but will fall on the proverbial deaf ears...... which might explain why so many of the 'upfront' boys actually think some of these new/reactivated sounds are good

Winnie:-)

winnie/brian,

this as nothing to do with 'upfront'

i really hate the way things become so tacky. the cafe idea is as naff at they come. wigan started out as a place for young people to do something different to the norm. the idea of sitting in a shopping centre cafe with a mug of tea looking at pictures of people having a fcuking brilliant time at wigan is so depressing. It is

if you are happy in a world of these McFunsters events fair enough.

[Bazza]

I thought he came on here for about two days then left again. Think that was when he was doing his "Northern soul museum" or "Degree in Northern Soul history" course or something last year.

He was on a couple of month back.....called "Account unKnown" summat like that ,I spoke to him a few week ago on the net..and he told me that was him, at that time

Bazza

Edited August 20, 2007 by bazza

[Guest ShaneH]

edit

Edited August 20, 2007 by ShaneH

[Guest]

All started going down hill when they made a fukcin` play about Wigan casino.

[Peter99]

As Dale Carnegie famously wrote, "Don't worry about things you can't influence or change"

None of us would be interested in 2, 3 and 4. As for the cafe, why does it make your stomach twist?

If people want to go, they will go. I went to the Motown Cafe in New York. It was fantastic. The Hard Rock Cafe doesn't worry or bother me one bit, why should a Casino Cafe worry you.

I am getting so P....ed off with attitudes on here. People trying to show how cool they are by decrying anything that is not related to "upfront" new 60ts. Everything else is sneered at.

Do you all want people to forget, in my case 37 years on the scene, to live a life of inferior newies, give or take 5 - 10 excellent records a year?

I love 60ts newies, I am always trying to hear new sounds, but please don't slag off my obsession, my passion, a big part of my life, because it doesn't fit with your viewpoint of the scene.

If the scene as it is, with all its good and bad points, fails to be mysterious or exciting enough, why stay on it, because I'll give you one stone fact. You won't change it.

Be big enough to ignore things you don't like, don't waste time dwelling on them. Concentrate on what flicks your switches. I don't need someone to tell me whether going to the Casino Cafe is cool or not.

I will probably never go to it, but as once said, I will fight to the end to defend other people's right to.

ATB

Brian B

What about modern? That's cool and upfront.

[Mike]

I thought he came on here for about two days then left again. Think that was when he was doing his "Northern soul museum" or "Degree in Northern Soul history" course or something last year.

did join a while back

I spent a fair bit of time getting his account going, as had problems with using site

got repaid for this effort by being included in "legal" threats he gave out against a member and site

[macca]

I didn't have to pay a single centimo of a euro to meet dean. he was having coffee on a terrace near the hotel I was staying at in madrid. I just walked up to him, stanley style, & said mr. parrish I presume. the promotors david & sergio are friends, so we all went for lunch & later dinner together. we then introduced him to the delights of boquerones (spanish pickled anchovies). we knocked back plenty of sherbet & he regaled us with stories about the early new york scene, with me interpreting where necessary. it was wonderful. dean posed for all & sundry that day & night, signing t-shirts, photos, record sleeves, parts of bodies etc; a gentleman of the highest calibre & a stonking performer to boot. this photo cost bugger all.

Edited August 20, 2007 by macca

[Peter99]

did join a while back

I spent a fair bit of time getting his account going, as had problems with using site

got repaid for this effort by being included in "legal" threats he gave out against a member and site

A top guy all round then Mike!

[paultp]

Isn't buying and selling records about making money? I mean, I've spoken to many a record collector who tell you with glee how much the £10 find is now worth £100,s.

It is, but for me at least, its about making money to buy records

I'm sure everyone will feel much better should the sun ever re-appear!

That's very true