British Chubby Checker Value

[Stevemochan]

Hi can anybody give me value of a mint Chubby Checker You Just dont Know British Cameo Parkway Issue?

Thanks

Steve

[Stevemochan]

Hi can anybody give me value of a mint Chubby Checker You Just dont Know British Cameo Parkway Issue?

Thanks

Steve

Come on there must be some British collectors out there somewhere.

[Steve G]

Come on there must be some British collectors out there somewhere.

Think we've all got it....

[Ted Massey]

£100?

[Mark Bicknell]

Hi can anybody give me value of a mint Chubby Checker You Just dont Know British Cameo Parkway Issue?

Thanks

Steve

Sorry Steve....'I just don't know'....lol had to get that one in, never been good with British prices, quite rare I would think?

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Guest]

£100?

Ted,

Was that price from when you were a youngster?

Mint condition would be nearer ??, almost impossible to acquire in this condition. majority have had DJ handling..

We got £402 on a auction for an Ex+ copy in 2005 if that helps..

[Stevemochan]

Ted,

Was that price from when you were a youngster?

Mint condition would be nearer ??, almost impossible to acquire in this condition. majority have had DJ handling..

We got £402 on a auction for an Ex+ copy in 2005 if that helps..

Thanks John

[Pete S]

£250

[Ted Massey]

Ted,

Was that price from when you were a youngster?

Mint condition would be nearer ??, almost impossible to acquire in this condition. majority have had DJ handling..

We got £402 on a auction for an Ex+ copy in 2005 if that helps..

John

as ive said before i only needs 2 people on your auction who need it to push the price way over the norm. Petes value is nearer the mark IMO having said that if i was to sell my UK demo im sure i would ask you to sell it for me

Ted

[Pete S]

John

as ive said before i only needs 2 people on your auction who need it to push the price way over the norm. Petes value is nearer the mark IMO having said that if i was to sell my UK demo im sure i would ask you to sell it for me

Ted

Blimey I remember having an issue and a demo at the same time once, I kept that issue for years til I had to flog it - still, went to my best mate, and he's still got it. I'd say the issue is way rarer than the demo.

[Ted Massey]

Blimey I remember having an issue and a demo at the same time once, I kept that issue for years til I had to flog it - still, went to my best mate, and he's still got it. I'd say the issue is way rarer than the demo.

it spoils the set to have an issue tucked in there

[Benelew]

Was fortunate to get one of these off Ebay in about 2002 for £41.00. Nice clean EX condition. It was listed under the B-side title (which is of course the real A-side) and in 60s Pop category. I'd like to think I'd get a couple of hundred if I sold it.

[Sheep]

Hi can anybody give me value of a mint Chubby Checker You Just dont Know British Cameo Parkway Issue?

Thanks

Steve

Put a demo on here last week, £350, demo is quite hard to find , issue, would be £200 if I was selling one, sold one for £80 six months back, only vg + label WOL.

SHEEP

[Sheep]

Blimey I remember having an issue and a demo at the same time once, I kept that issue for years til I had to flog it - still, went to my best mate, and he's still got it. I'd say the issue is way rarer than the demo.

The demo is a lot rarer than the issue, I've had several issues, but only two demos in past 25 years, now i know that is not a survey, but nevertheless.!

SHEEP

[Pete S]

The demo is a lot rarer than the issue, I've had several issues, but only two demos in past 25 years, now i know that is not a survey, but nevertheless.!

SHEEP

Vice versa what you said. It's common sense that the demos going to be way easier than the issue. How many demos made? Maybe 300? How many issues sold? About 5!

[Ged Parker]

Vice versa what you said. It's common sense that the demos going to be way easier than the issue. How many demos made? Maybe 300? How many issues sold? About 5!

I think you're right Pete but for a diffrerent reason. For me the sales are less important that the fact that demos were usually stored away after a short run of plays on radio stations or even no plays at all in record store. Issues however were bought, granted sometimes in low numbers, to be played and were often not cared for, stuck on those 60's auto changer spindles with 9 other records, played with by kids all the time the demos were sitting neatly filed in a archive somewhere. No wonder there are more demos in playable condition than issues. IMHO

I'd give £200 for a demo and nearer £400 for an issue but I'm not really a British collector they are a funny breed.

Edited August 20, 2007 by ged parker

[Sheep]

I think you're right Pete but for a diffrerent reason. For me the sales are less important that the fact that demos were usually stored away after a short run of plays on radio stations or even no plays at all in record store. Issues however were bought, granted sometimes in low numbers, to be played and were often not cared for, stuck on those 60's auto changer spindles with 9 other records, played with by kids all the time the demos were sitting neatly filed in a archive somewhere. No wonder there are more demos in playable condition than issues. IMHO

I'd give £200 for a demo and nearer £400 for an issue but I'm not really a British collector they are a funny breed.

No, sorry don't agree with this, remember it is chubby checker, they would have done a fair few stock copies because of who it is. Some labels such as CBS cut alot of demos, others such as Polydor/philips very few if non at all. Example Jon ford, v hard demo. Cameoparkway did cut more demos than philips generally, but nevertheless, rarer on demo.

Perhaps, Mick Smith could comment.?

SHEEP

[Pete S]

I think you're right Pete but for a diffrerent reason. For me the sales are less important that the fact that demos were usually stored away after a short run of plays on radio stations or even no plays at all in record store. Issues however were bought, granted sometimes in low numbers, to be played and were often not cared for, stuck on those 60's auto changer spindles with 9 other records, played with by kids all the time the demos were sitting neatly filed in a archive somewhere. No wonder there are more demos in playable condition than issues. IMHO

I'd give £200 for a demo and nearer £400 for an issue but I'm not really a British collector they are a funny breed.

No, sorry don't agree with this, remember it is chubby checker, they would have done a fair few stock copies because of who it is. Some labels such as CBS cut alot of demos, others such as Polydor/philips very few if non at all. Example Jon ford, v hard demo. Cameoparkway did cut more demos than philips generally, but nevertheless, rarer on demo.

Perhaps, Mick Smith could comment.?

SHEEP

For a start, CP is a Pye label and they were massive and had huge distribution, so they are certainly going to make a lot of demos. Philips issued no demos at all during the mid 60's, just stickered ones, after that they put out as many as others in the polygram group (polydor/philips/mercury/fontana) but their distribution was obviously very poor at the time.

Chubby Checker was selling records in 1961 but by 1965 nobody knew who he was, the Beatles had obliterated him and all of the other US imports and even Elvis was barely selling a record in 1965 so I bet if they had the figures that it would have sold less than 50 copies, seriously.

[Sheep]

For a start, CP is a Pye label and they were massive and had huge distribution, so they are certainly going to make a lot of demos. Philips issued no demos at all during the mid 60's, just stickered ones, after that they put out as many as others in the polygram group (polydor/philips/mercury/fontana) but their distribution was obviously very poor at the time.

Chubby Checker was selling records in 1961 but by 1965 nobody knew who he was, the Beatles had obliterated him and all of the other US imports and even Elvis was barely selling a record in 1965 so I bet if they had the figures that it would have sold less than 50 copies, seriously.

A few good points, but would be interested in another view from a long standing UK collector, before I change my thinking on this.

SHEEP

[Pete S]

A few good points, but would be interested in another view from a long standing UK collector, before I change my thinking on this.

SHEEP

Micks in Spain mate, I'll ask him when he gets back

[Sean Hampsey]

The UK Demo and issue are both pretty scarce.

£250 - £300 for sure... for either copy.... in MINT condition.

US Copy is rarer still!

[Pete S]

The UK Demo and issue are both pretty scarce.

£250 - £300 for sure... for either copy.... in MINT condition.

US Copy is rarer still!

Yeah I'd love to know what the story is with the US one, I've never had that record on US, why's it so scarce, why was it only pressed on the one coast etc, and what about the runmours that it was recorded in the UK!!

[Sheep]

Micks in Spain mate, I'll ask him when he gets back

Yes OK, I know mick was chasing a demo copy for sometime and finally got one at the Thames Television record sell off back in the early 90's, in the auction, think he had an issue at the time.

SHEEP

[Pete S]

Yes OK, I know mick was chasing a demo copy for sometime and finally got one at the Thames Television record sell off back in the early 90's, in the auction, think he had an issue at the time.

SHEEP

Don't ever believe a word Mick says, he'd have had one for years by then (I know this because he scanned me loads of his records for me to use when I used to do the Beatin Rhythm magazine, usually accompanied with a note saying 'bet you haven't got one of these')

n.b. I think issue 2 has a cameo parkway special and all the scans are in that issue - it was 18 years ago now so I'm not sure exactly

Edited August 20, 2007 by Pete S

[Sean Hampsey]

Yeah I'd love to know what the story is with the US one, I've never had that record on US, why's it so scarce, why was it only pressed on the one coast etc, and what about the runmours that it was recorded in the UK!!

I've never had it on US either Pete.

Remember for years we all thought there was no such thing as a US copy...

Just imagine if it had never been played over here until the first US copy showed up (T. Brown - around 12 years ago?) and how expensive it would be now on US had there been no UK copies around.

Several thousand quids worth I reckon!

I don't know where the rumours came from about the UK recording. Somehow I just can't see it... the backing is just soooooo Philly.... but if it was its the best British recording in the history of the world.

A bloody AWESOME record that still thrills me to the core..... (and I get shivers... all over my skin!).

Here's a pic of the US copy I nicked from a previous page.

Sean

[Benelew]

I've never had it on US either Pete.

Remember for years we all thought there was no such thing as a US copy...

Just imagine if it had never been played over here until the first US copy showed up (T. Brown - around 12 years ago?) and how expensive it would be now on US had there been no UK copies around.

Several thousand quids worth I reckon!

I don't know where the rumours came from about the UK recording. Somehow I just can't see it... the backing is just soooooo Philly.... but if it was its the best British recording in the history of the world.

A bloody AWESOME record that still thrills me to the core..... (and I get shivers... all over my skin!).

Here's a pic of the US copy I nicked from a previous page.

Sean

[Benelew]

I've never had it on US either Pete.

Remember for years we all thought there was no such thing as a US copy...

Just imagine if it had never been played over here until the first US copy showed up (T. Brown - around 12 years ago?) and how expensive it would be now on US had there been no UK copies around.

Several thousand quids worth I reckon!

I don't know where the rumours came from about the UK recording. Somehow I just can't see it... the backing is just soooooo Philly.... but if it was its the best British recording in the history of the world.

A bloody AWESOME record that still thrills me to the core..... (and I get shivers... all over my skin!).

Here's a pic of the US copy I nicked from a previous page.

Sean

[45cellar]

I've never had it on US either Pete.

Remember for years we all thought there was no such thing as a US copy...

Just imagine if it had never been played over here until the first US copy showed up (T. Brown - around 12 years ago?) and how expensive it would be now on US had there been no UK copies around.

Several thousand quids worth I reckon!

I don't know where the rumours came from about the UK recording. Somehow I just can't see it... the backing is just soooooo Philly.... but if it was its the best British recording in the history of the world.

A bloody AWESOME record that still thrills me to the core..... (and I get shivers... all over my skin!).

Here's a pic of the US copy I nicked from a previous page.

Sean

Not in the same price range or rarity, another

Chubby Checker - Looking At Tomorrow - Pressed on West Coast & East Coast.

However I've only ever seen DEMO's.

Strange goings on at the end of his time with Parkway.

Edited August 23, 2007 by 45cellar

[Benelew]

Sorry for jump in on your thread again.... Am I reading this right? Surely the US copies have been around for years haven't they? Recall one for sale in Casino record bar circa 80/81, westcoast DJ of course, a bit rough - for about £50. Still... I've lost a few brain cells since then, and that time of my life's a bit of a blur!

Jorge

[Pete S]

Sorry for jump in on your thread again.... Am I reading this right? Surely the US copies have been around for years haven't they? Recall one for sale in Casino record bar circa 80/81, westcoast DJ of course, a bit rough - for about £50. Still... I've lost a few brain cells since then, and that time of my life's a bit of a blur!

Jorge

There's a copy for sale on the back page of one of the early Shades Of Soul (I think), it's £60 if I remember, that was from around 1988

Edited August 23, 2007 by Pete S

[Guest]

Yeah I'd love to know what the story is with the US one, I've never had that record on US, why's it so scarce, why was it only pressed on the one coast etc, and what about the runmours that it was recorded in the UK!!

It was pressed on the East Coast also, we know that because we auctioned a vinyl copy with a white label and hand written credits 2 years back.

I've never seen a East Coast Parkway with a any type of printed label though.

The Monach recording Los Angeles press was made in October 1965.

Pye's UK Cameo Parkway releases all carry the SAME RELEASE as their USA counterparts so it's pretty difficult to work out which was definately first, the UK Cameo states 1965 on the label.

Some UK white demo's do carry a rubber stamp DATE, anyone got one to compare?

But it is surely doubtful it was a UK recording, it was wrote by Robert E. Miller, there was a man of the same name who lived in Pennsylvania which ties up, but Miller is a pretty common name.

[Modernsoulsucks]

My date stamp says 31 Dec but year bit musn't have imprinted as it's just a small smudge.

ROD

[Guest]

My date stamp says 31 Dec but year bit musn't have imprinted as it's just a small smudge.

ROD

Rod,

sorta confirms the USA press was first.. so unlikely to be a UK production, as PYE used the USA release # which seems to have been pressed 2 months earlier.

Thanks for that info.. John

[Sean Hampsey]

Sorry for jump in on your thread again.... Am I reading this right? Surely the US copies have been around for years haven't they? Recall one for sale in Casino record bar circa 80/81, westcoast DJ of course, a bit rough - for about £50. Still... I've lost a few brain cells since then, and that time of my life's a bit of a blur!

Jorge

Sorry Jorge, that's why I put a question mark on the 'around 12 years ago' bit. You're right, it does seem a good while since the first US copy turned up, but it seemed even longer in my mind that we all thought it was UK only.

I guess we get to a time of life where 20+ years ago seems like only yesterday. Nowadays I tend to be 10 years off with most of my dates.

Certainly agree about the lost brain cells and the blur.

Also agree with John.

It MUST be a US recording.... .... don't ya think?

Sean

[Dave Moore]

Not in the same price range or rarity, another

Chubby Checker - Looking At Tomorrow - Pressed on West Coast & East Coast.

However I've only ever seen DEMO's.

Strange goings on at the end of his time with Parkway.

And it's a better record!

Same. Never seen a stock issue.

[Benelew]

Nice one Sean!

Yeah, twas about the same time I bought my Yvonne Baker West Coast Demo for £12 then some goon decided to use my holdall as football and cracked it! Also reminds me of the Tomangoes I was offered for £15 but didn't want it cos there was some writing on it - fool!

It never entered my head that the Chubby could have been recorded in UK. The production and recording certainly bears little resemlance to the UK Pye mid-60s output that was often clynical in the extreme.

Jorge

[Chris L]

Hi can anybody give me value of a mint Chubby Checker You Just dont Know British Cameo Parkway Issue?

Thanks

Steve

Sold my copy about 3 years ago for £315, issue still in it's Cameo-Parkway sleeve.

[bri pinch]

CHUBBY CHECKER... I USED TO HAVE A U.S DEMO OF THIS IN THE EARLY NINETIES. FLOGGED IT TO RONNIE PEDLEY IN ABOUT 96 FOR A TON OUT SAME TIME I FLOGGED HIM MY JIMMY THOMAS PARLOPHONE BLACK ISSUE FOR THE SAME PRICE ..SOME YA WIN.

BRI.

[alexfranquet]

Hello everybody,

In the past, I heard the story of the masters of songs like "You just don't know" and "At the discotheque" being sent to Spain during the sixties. The songs were issued in Spain during the 70's, catching the northen soul craze in England, and I'm sending you one of the picture sleeves.

Any news about that?

[Pete S]

Hello everybody,

In the past, I heard the story of the masters of songs like "You just don't know" and "At the discotheque" being sent to Spain during the sixties. The songs were issued in Spain during the 70's, catching the northen soul craze in England, and I'm sending you one of the picture sleeves.

Any news about that?

Yes this turns up quite regularly, a lot of them are white demos - I sell it for £25

[alexfranquet]

Thanks Pete,

I think that they probably sent the masters during the sixties but they were kept till the 70's when they issued the records at last.

[Pete S]

Thanks Pete,

I think that they probably sent the masters during the sixties but they were kept till the 70's when they issued the records at last.

No, I doubt it - reason being, in 1975 Chubby Checker had a hit with a reissue of Lets Twist Again, and so London in the UK followed that with At The Discotheque and then about 10 months later with You Just Don't Know - which is probably why it got a release in Spain in 76, just to match up with the Uk release. But the masters were owned by ABKCO (Alan Kleins company) and still are, or were until recently - he also held/holds the Rolling Stones masters from the Decca years

[Modernsoulsucks]

Isn't that London 70's issue completely different... and crap!!

ROD

[Pete S]

Isn't that London 70's issue completely different... and crap!!

ROD

No it's exactly the same as the original!

[Guest]

No it's exactly the same as the original!

Does anyone know if cum-a la be-stay by mr checker is still avallable any where

and what price we talking about

john

[Harry Crosby]

Sorry for jump in on your thread again.... Am I reading this right? Surely the US copies have been around for years haven't they? Recall one for sale in Casino record bar circa 80/81, westcoast DJ of course, a bit rough - for about £50. Still... I've lost a few brain cells since then, and that time of my life's a bit of a blur!

Jorge

Think i was with you that night jorge, think it was £60, it was in a fifty box, then again if it was the same one he also had a lou pride for £50, and a don varner for £70, Think the lad was from derby

[Pete S]

Blimey I remember having an issue and a demo at the same time once, I kept that issue for years til I had to flog it - still, went to my best mate, and he's still got it. I'd say the issue is way rarer than the demo.

The demo is a lot rarer than the issue, I've had several issues, but only two demos in past 25 years, now i know that is not a survey, but nevertheless.!

SHEEP

And I've had 3 demos and 1 issue, so what does that prove?

Now the demo of At The Discotheque is harder than the demo of Just Don't Know but it's only worth, what, £50?

[Sean Hampsey]

Sorry to correct you but Gary Rushbrooke had a US copy at Stafford.

Steve

OK Steve,

We covered that one off on Post 34.

Benelew said he saw a copy in 80/81... even before Stafford.

Incredible how, even then, the record had been played on the Northern scene for 10 years or so before anyone knew about a US copy.

[Guest nusha]

I have seen an ootp bootleg sell for £20 and a Plum coloured London Demo sell for £80 and likewise that spanish one.So anythings possible but i think this item is still a glaring ommission in a lot of big collections(USA or UK).The net one manship gets will be a telephonr number i reckon.

[Paul R]

Isn't that London 70's issue completely different... and crap!!

ROD

As this thread has been ressurrected, and features one of my favourites, then I'll chip in.

Are you mistaking this re issue with the re recording & london release of Donnie Elbert "Little Peice Of Leather"? Not a patch on the original.

Also "Looking At Tomorrow" to me just sounds too "pop" and nowhere near as good production or vocal as "You Just Don't Know" IMHO of course.

Paul