Sebastian Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 I've recently gotten a hold of a couple of acetates that I don't know much about but hopefully someone out there can help me out. The first one is a one-sided Dick Charles Recording Service acetate. There's no artist listed. The title of the track is "You're Gonna Be Missed". It's written by Buddy Kaye and Philip Springer. It's published by Budd Music. No song with this title is mentioned in either of those songwriters BMI or ASCAP entries. Have a listen to it here: https://www.shingaling.com/YoureGonnaBeMissed.mp3 The second one is a double-sided IBC Sound Recording Studios acetate (with a London, England address). There's no artist listed. The titles of the tracks are "Get A Hold Of Yourself" and "The Sun Is Coming In". There are no songwriters credited. Both tracks are published by Mills Music Ltd. Have a listen to these tracks here: https://www.shingaling.com/TheSunIsComingIn.mp3 https://www.shingaling.com/GetAHoldOfYourself.mp3 If anyone of you have got any info on these tracks (if they are known/issued/unissued/etc.), please let me know. Thanks in advance.
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 I've recently gotten a hold of a couple of acetates that I don't know much about but hopefully someone out there can help me out. The first one is a one-sided Dick Charles Recording Service acetate. There's no artist listed. The title of the track is "You're Gonna Be Missed". It's written by Buddy Kaye and Philip Springer. It's published by Budd Music. No song with this title is mentioned in either of those songwriters BMI or ASCAP entries. This is just speculation, Sebastian, but I believe that the well known songwriter Bea Verdi and her sister Liz Verdi both were known to do a lot of demos for Buddy Kaye and Philip Springer, although they were by no means the only ones to do so. Could easily be either of them, though... He's not on here but I'll ask my frequent collaborator Mick Patrick what and who he thinks when next we speak!
Sebastian Posted July 10, 2007 Author Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) This is just speculation, Sebastian, but I believe that the well known songwriter Bea Verdi and her sister Liz Verdi both were known to do a lot of demos for Buddy Kaye and Philip Springer, although they were by no means the only ones to do so. Could easily be either of them, though... He's not on here but I'll ask my frequent collaborator Mick Patrick what and who he thinks when next we speak! Thanks for your comments and suggestions Tony. Mick Patrick commented the Dick Charles acetate when I posted about it on the Spectropop mailing list and suggested that it might be an unissued The Persians (on Pageant) tune. Apparently their "Get A Hold Of Yourself" is co-written by Kaye. I really like this tune. Did anyone else listen to these? Any comments at all? Here's a picture of the acetate: Edited July 10, 2007 by Sebastian
TheHoneyDripper Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) The second one is a double-sided IBC Sound Recording Studios acetate (with a London, England address). There's no artist listed. The titles of the tracks are "Get A Hold Of Yourself" and "The Sun Is Coming In". There are no songwriters credited. Both tracks are published by Mills Music Ltd. Get A Hold Of Yourself was written by Ray and Elaine Adams. They also wrote The Sun Is Coming In with Valerie Avon - all three were members of the pop/MOR group The Avons. You could contact Elaine through her booking agency (link here) to see if she can give you any more information. If the Dick Charles recording was a demo, then why does it have (what looks like) a matrix number? From my experience, that's unusual. Edited July 10, 2007 by TheHoneyDripper
Sebastian Posted July 10, 2007 Author Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) Get A Hold Of Yourself was written by Ray and Elaine Adams. They also wrote The Sun Is Coming In with Valerie Avon - all three were members of the pop/MOR group The Avons. You could contact Elaine through her booking agency (link here) to see if she can give you any more information. Thanks for the information! It all makes perfect sense because another IBC acetate which I found in the same batch includes both sides of Ray & Elaine's "Never Can A Tear" b/w "Please Be Patient" 45 on DJM from 1969. I'll try to get in contact with Elaine and find out if the tracks above are unissued or not. If the Dick Charles recording was a demo, then why does it have (what looks like) a matrix number? From my experience, that's unusual. I agree, the number on the left side is a bit confusing. But perhaps it was the third track recorded at a single session and so a number was associated to the tune by default? Recording three tracks during a session and choosing the best two for the 45 happened quite a lot. I honestly don't know, just speculating. Thanks again for your comments! Edited July 10, 2007 by Sebastian
Marc Forrest Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) Pop tunes with zero Soul content that do nth for me at all although I can imagine in ´74 there may have been some demand for titles like these. IMHO only of course. Marc Edited July 10, 2007 by Marc Forrest
Pete S Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Thanks for the information! It all makes perfect sense because another IBC acetate which I found in the same batch includes both sides of Ray & Elaine's "Never Can A Tear" b/w "Please Be Patient" 45 on DJM from 1969. I'll try to get in contact with Elaine and find out if the tracks above are unissued or not. I agree, the number on the left side is a bit confusing. But perhaps it was the third track recorded at a single session and so a number was associated to the tune by default? Recording three tracks during a session and choosing the best two for the 45 happened quite a lot. I honestly don't know, just speculating. Thanks again for your comments! It might be the date - 11-5-65
Pete S Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Pop tunes with zero Soul content that do nth for me at all although I can imagine in ´74 there may have been some demand for titles like these. IMHO only of course. Marc I don't think so...
Marc Forrest Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 I don't think so... Would have surprised me if you would.. different strokes and all that
Ezzie Brown Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) i have a dick charles acetate identical design as yours via nashee who got it from joe dutton, i believe. where you say it may be the date i have 62168 which i spose could be21 of june 68 as yanks put month before day dont they? does that work on yours? number same on both sides, cheers ezzie its a sort of happy go lucky r/b doo wop thing! i know await with interest joes description as he clearly didnt want it!!!!!!!!!!! more info no etching at all in run out Edited July 10, 2007 by ezzie brown
steve z Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Pop tunes with zero Soul content that do nth for me at all although I can imagine in ´74 there may have been some demand for titles like these. IMHO only of course. Marc Hi Marc , Sebastion ,I have purchased from.........when my ears have been happy Pete ,a dealer,has NO idea of what constitutes a great sound today ZERO is too much on the sounds posted ATB Stevie Having stated this , I did have the opportunity to make my choice+++++++++
Marc Forrest Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Good call Sir, in fact any call from you is good
Pete S Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Hi Marc , Sebastion ,I have purchased from.........when my ears have been happy Pete ,a dealer,has NO idea of what constitutes a great sound today ZERO is too much on the sounds posted ATB Stevie Having stated this , I did have the opportunity to make my choice+++++++++ Sorry, I only speak English..
steve z Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Sorry, I only speak English.. Hi Pete ,I Know you only speak English ATB Stevie
Sebastian Posted July 10, 2007 Author Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) Just out of interest, where did I state anything about these records having soul content or being "fit" for the northern scene? I was simply asking if anyone had any info on these tracks because there are quite a lot of people on this forum who know quite a bit about records. The Dick Charles acetate is, in any case, a great piece of music. It is one-sided so has only got that number on one side. The number being the date of recording seems reasonable, making it 15th of January 1965 or 5th of November 1965. Edited July 10, 2007 by Sebastian
Marc Forrest Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 Did anyone else listen to these? Any comments at all? Hi mate, to serve your interest, here you asked for comments... Marc
Sebastian Posted July 11, 2007 Author Posted July 11, 2007 Hi mate, to serve your interest, here you asked for comments... Marc Marc, I get your point. Thanks for taking the time to listen to them.
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